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Mozilla 1.4b Loosed
An anonymous reader writes "The fine Mozilla folks have decided to bless us with the release of Mozilla 1.4b this weekend. Highlights include support for NTLM authentication, usability improvements, and lots of performance, stability, and site compatibility fixes. As always, the release notes have more detailed info on changes."
They lost mozilla?
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Phoenix 0.5 is gonna come out tommorrow... it's much faster!
Mozilla 1.3.1 (bugfix update for 1.3) was released this week, too.
Google doesn't index user sigs, so stop trying to "Google Bomb" with them.
2nd post!
To hell with Mozilla... when's the next release of Mozilla Firebird?
NO CARRIER
support for NTLM authentication
Gah!!! Mozilla has been assimilated!!!!!!!!!!!!
Is this version still beta then, since they didn't number it 1.4.1?
Such irE
I just installed 1.4a on Friday.
Linux Kernel 2.4.0 is out!
ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/phoenix/nightly/latest-t runk
Also check out all of the extensions, most of which still work on the latest nightly build.
NTLM = New Technology (just) Like Microsoft.
Much more closely than I do now. After 1.0 the improvements seemed less noticeable to me. I suppose this means the software has matured. Is anyone really excited about the new features? Are they interesting from an end user perspective?
Let us not forget that stable Mozilla 1.3.1 was released at around the same time, so those of us too wimpy to use a potentially unstable beta version are well catered for there ;)
Included are several important stability and security fixes. See the list.
Mozilla 1.4b Loosed
Good lord, when you people learn, it's LOSE, not LOOSE! LOOSE means to "let loose, to free, to release", and LOSE mea...
Erm.
Never mind. You got it right this time. Carry on then.
If I was on a site that set cookies and cleared my cache, Mozilla 1.4a would crash. I kept submitting feedback reports and I hope they fixed this. Off to download now......
When will they support NTLM on Linux? That's one of the few reasons I still have to dual boot. (A web site required for my job uses NTLM authentication.)
I would think it would be possible using part of Samba. Am I mistaken about this?
Slashdot, the site where everything's made up and the points don't matter
..I'm pretty happy with Mozilla 1.2.1 that came along with RH. There's no radical improvements that would effect greatly on my surfing experience. Maybe 1.4 final or the 1.5 serie will something that I will waste small bandwidth on.
Don't get me wrong, I really appreciate the work that Mozilla development team has done. Thanks For Them!
Last time I checked, my bookmark pointed to slashdot.org, and not to freshmeat.net.
... sometimes I fly with the white swan to my Liffey home.
Mozilla??? I just got a Flowzilla 1.4b and I can't wait to try it next shower.
Do you mean "lost" or "loosened"? Or what?
I'd donate, if only they would put the money towards an editor's salary.
I have an idea for image blocking. Now that Mozilla uses a statistical technique to identify spam, presumable with some sort of set of words to begin the database before it is trained with our spam messages, perhaps we could apply some sort of guessing technique for image blocking.
A central database of crap ( read Doubleclick.net ) images could be maintained. Images could be checked against the database and then blocked or allowed based on that. Perhaps the domain that the images come from could be taken into account as well.
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Okay.. so a minor version upgrade for Mozilla. Why exactly is this front page news? I wouldn't mind but the release notes don't exactly show anything particularly mind-blowing. Am I underestimating NTLM?
Pardon my cynicism, but Slashdot's love-affair with Mozilla is quite overrated. It's as if Opera doesn't even exist.
"Derp de derp."
Many people will consider NTLM support as superfluous pro-MS bloatware and another useless addition to Mozilla.
:)
I'd like to point out this is just plain wrong. There are many developers that are forced to use IE to do their job just because the company's product runs on IIS and uses NTLM.
Mozilla supporting NTLM means better ways of testing software for these developers, as well as giving a better idea of the web homogeneity of the product.
Free myself from IE at work ! Go for NTLM, Mozilla !
Karma cannot be described by words alone.
Mozilla on Windows now has support for NTLM authentication. This enables Mozilla to talk to MS web and proxy servers that are configured to use "windows integrated security".
In the past you could still authenticate against NTLM services, though you had to type authentication information.
Username was entered as domain\username and Password was your domain password. Perhaps now it is transparently passed by a Mozilla browser logged into an NT domain. Cool.
.:diatonic:.
I realy don't care anymore about its features. Its a fine browser as it is, however launching it on a Linux or Mac boxen takes long time -- compared to Opera or IE (on a Mac). I wish they could make Mozilla a little faster and lighter, than add features to it.
And the beast shall be made legion. Its numbers shall be increased a thousand thousand fold. The din of a million keyboards like unto a great storm shall cover the earth, and the followers of Mammon shall tremble.
from The Book of Mozilla, 3:31
(Red Letter Edition)
Why, o why must the sky fall when I've learned to fly?
Why not?
v. loosed, loosing, looses
v. tr.
1. To let loose; release: loosed the dogs.
2. To make loose; undo: loosed his belt.
3. To cast loose; detach: hikers loosing their packs at camp.
4. To let fly; discharge: loosed an arrow.
5. To release pressure or obligation from; absolve: loosed her from the responsibility.
6. To make less strict; relax: a leader's strong authority that was loosed by easy times.
timothy
jrnl: http://tinyurl.com/c2l8yr / foes: http://tinyurl.com/ckjno5
Now The Loser's Moderated. (dickhead who can't think of a clever acronym because he is in a fucking hurry to get some arbitrary points and he's got a hard-on for MS will be)
why run from Vincenzo?
This has been around since Netscape Navigator 2.0 at least.. probably was in 1.0 as well.
I'll settle for "doesn't crash when I try to load some CNET news article, or the CSU Fresno home page".
I'm a big Mozilla & Phoenix/Firebird user, but I'm quite tired of having my browser crash when trying to load certain websites. I don't care how bad the page is written, the browser should be able to handle it in a way other than crashing entirely.
Does anyone know what the current situation is with SVG? I see some of the Solaris builds support it. I heard that there was some licensing problem with libart, but surely they can work something out? They're both open source projects after all.
Here's the google cache with a list of avalible mirrors!
Sometimes I'm typing in a text box in one of my tabs while another tab's loading in the background and when the other tab finishes loading the text box suddenly stops accepting input in my current tab. I mean, what the fuck? Those stupid fucks won't even listen to my bug reports. Fucking Mac OS X users. Stupid fucks can't even use a fucking simple, stable BSD UNIX properly without fucking it up with their 'Applescript' and 'holy shit my folders are coloured'. Fuck you pussies. You're the reason why my forms and tabs are fucked up, you fucking fucks.
No, firebird will package with minotaur to provide e-mail.
Look at the roadmap for more information.
Ryan
Would be very cool if Mozilla implemented this.
No other web browser has done this. Not Opera either.
This could really seperate Mozilla from other web browsers.
Also a image blocking button on the gui interface would be good.
Add a link to firebird in your start-up folder, with "-turbo". It will then rest in your toolbar. When you go to launce firebird for real, the window will come up much quicker.
Ryan
not exactly. Thats more of a image filter. The ads are still downloaded. You want the ads not to be downloaded so webpages load faster.
I prefer Open Source software but Opera is just so much faster than any other browser, I just couldn't use anything else.
I admire Mozilla's strive for standards compliance, but it's just so painfully slow compared to Opera (and Phoenix isn't much better). Maybe Konqueror with the new Apple patches can compete.
The text has been changed though - IIRC, the text in Netscape 4 ended with "[...] and their houses shall be razed, and their tags shall blink until the end of days"
:)
It was a much funnier version IMO
when I typed about:mozilla into IE all I got was this blue screen...
my pet machine
Careful if you work a lot with bookmarks, you might hit a bug where you can't delete or move bookmarks (in Linux) or the new bookmark folder setting doesn't work.
I'm looking forward to getting my bookmark functionality back in the next release...
Someone is wrong on the Internet!
i'm too lazy to register to file this bug, but the linux phoenix/firebird build has problems rendering the style sheets http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/index
the windows build have no problems with this.
my blog
Thanks, Mozilla installer team! You have successfully produced an installer that prevents me from ircing while Mozilla installs!
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
There was a bug in Moz 1.4a (never actually searched for it so I can't give a link) but it would cause Moz to crash whenever I'd try and click on a radio button on a web page.
/. to display some comments as nested, then reload, it will die without fail. Not sure what causes it - if I get time I'll try and figure out.)
So, I downloaded a nightly from a couple of weeks ago, and it was great. Divine. No problems at all.
1.4b comes out, and then straight back into crashes at weird places (this time: if I tell
But -- why are nightlies more stable than releases? Or perhaps that is best reworded as "Why aren't releases at least as stable as nightlies?"
better late than never that this made its way here...
# 2003-05-08 11:10:34 Mozilla 1.4b Released (articles,mozilla) (rejected)
heh
Everytime I hit a page that wants to install foreign fonts (like Japanese)... Mozilla 1.4a pops up a dialog box. You click "Cancel" and it comes back. Keeps doing it until you close out the window.
...almost - if right click on an image "block images from this server" counts to be part of the GUI.
The only kerberos supporting web clients I've ever seen are a (very) dated version of Mosaic and plugin for netscape 4.x which I've never managed to get actual binaries or source for.
This would be fantastic for corporate web apps, particularly combined with LDAP. Strong authentication based on open standards. Yummy.
IE will never lose to that hunkoshit...
If you're running a 2.3 servlet container, drop in the jCIFS NTLM HTTP Authentication Filter. It's available here:
http://jcifs.samba.org/
but the latest jar is here (website a little broken):
http://users.erols.com/mballen/jcifs/
All you need to set is the domainController init parameter. There's also a base servlet for pre 2.3 containers that don't support filters.
Also take a look at the Davenport project which permits IE users (and I suspect Mozilla users now) the ability to browse the entire WAN using the negotiated NTLM pawssword hashes as a WebDAV folder or using plain HTML. Again, uses jCIFS.
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"Now if it was just little faster..."
Why is this important? Does your computer crash a lot?
I go weeks without bothering to quit my web browsers. Maybe laptop users will care--maybe--but desktop users certainly shouldn't.
--Richard
Does this mean that the Sun Java plugin automagically "inherits" ntlm support from mozilla?
If not, then I'm still stuck using IE + MS-JVM at work... Bah...
Suppose this time they could arrange it so we don't have to spend four hours rebuilding our e-mail accounts?
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There is a fair bit of money pledged to someone who can make this feature happen...... cgi?id=47838
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug
Mozilla 1.4 beta includes a security fix to prevent web pages from loading XBL from file: URLs (bug 200691, fixed). Unfortunately, the fix also prevents user style sheets from making web pages load XBL files from file: URLs (bug 204140), which affects some users of my XBL Flash blocker (blocks Flash using a placeholder that you can click to play a particular Flash animation).
If you saved flash.xml to disk and used a file: URL for flash.xml in userContent.css, you need to change userContent.css to load flash.xml from a local web server or from the original location on www.cs.hmc.edu instead. Otherwise, Flash won't appear at all (not even a click-to-play placeholder), and you'll see this if you open the JavaScript Console:
"Security Error: Content at http://www.shockwave.com/sw/home/ [or another URL with Flash] may not load or link to file:///C:/.../flash.xml#obj."
The shareholder is always right.
Oh, I thought you were talking about a replacement for NTLM in general, not specifically for web browsers. I've never heard of a modern way to use kerberos for http authentication either, unfortunately.
however, if you do that, firebird will always suck up memory, wether you use it or not
CMU uses kerberos now without any plugins required. Go here and click the "CMU Users" button to see the login screen.
Because, if one component crashes, the other does also. They are that integrated.
I run debian woody and was running the default mozilla because I was too lazy to get a newer one.
The default version locks up on DOZENs of websites including www.wikipedia.org
So I tried 1.3.1 - it locks up on www.wikipedia.org
So I tried 1.4b - it locks up on www.wikipedia.org
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Alas - it is not ready for prime time even now!
The newer version is faster mind you... that is until it locks up. After that all versions of Mozilla run at the same speed (zero). The only way out of the lockup that I know of is kill.
Funny how a program can just hang on something and thereafter not respond to ANY events! I wonder how they did that. As a programmer - I'd have to work pretty hard to create a deadlock to do that I think!
I just wish the Mozilla people would use one fork/thread per window the way the Konqueror people do it. At least then a person can kill the offending thread. (I've had to do this to konqueror too - because there are websites that Mozilla runs and konqueror locks up on).
Does anyone else have this experiance? BTW - someone else can post this as a bug - I'm still receiving emails from the last bug I reported almost 2 years ago - it is apparently still on the todo list.
works fine on my *nix box (running SuSE 8.1 on a Intel 1.8GHz Pentium III)
-Cnik
Me too.
Our numbnuts MCSE sysadmin decided to throw NTLM on our internal web resources. It's so pointy-clicky easy!
[MANY expletives deleted]
It takes a lot of discipline to read those words together without trolling.
Attack its weak point for massive damage!
IMHO if the mozilla developers organized one thread or one fork per window - they would be better off. If they are interested in doing this - then they should change the way malloc() is handled. Maybe they already have!
Instead of malloc() going off to grab whatever bytes they need for the object in question - they should do two (2) things:
1) organize a [possibly hieracharical] logical identifier for an allocation group. This could be mapped 1:1 to the window in question (window=fork=thread depending on how the code is organized). This requires at least one extra parameter to the code layer that interfaces to malloc(). If they are using "new" then they will need to define their own constructors / destructors but they are still doing the same thing. In essance they write their own mymalloc() and myfree() and add an extra paramter that is their logical grouping identifier (which can be heirarchical)
2) allocate a page aligned block of multiple pages each time an actual "malloc()" is needed. Thereafter - malloc()s can chew into the free space. It is very simle. We call mymalloc() and mymalloc() checks if there is space - if so it returns it and if not it gets space with malloc() but at multiple pages at a time. The amount of memory mymalloc() gets is a tuning parameter.
The job mymalloc() has to do is very very simple. It typically may have zero hunting for holes because it might just operate like a stack.
This accomplishes several things.
a) since all malloc()'s are taking place within a logical memory "object" then you can't have leaks because when the object is no longer needed (as when the window gets closed) then they all get blown away at once.
b) Usually many many pages of physical memory are needed to support the window and underlying fork()/thread() anyways - so the issue of allocating only in multiples of a the machines page size and on a page frame is basically irrelavant. If the memory is not needed now - it will probably be needed very shortly anyways.
c) By allocating memory in this fashion, it is impossible for the operating system to somehow co-mingle memory for a unrelated process or object in a given physical page. This means that if a window goes idle its memory can be swapped out. Only one single reference into a page from something other than the idle window will prevent the page from being elegable to be swapped.
d) An uncontrolled malloc() / new will usually comingle shit from all over the system - severly limiting the systems ability to swap pages out of RAM.
e) malloc() algorithms are actually usually rather complex and thus they tend to go off hunting for holes of the proper size. This hunting is probably more time consuming than many programmers realise. By grouping memory allocations into a logical organization that the programmer KNOWS makes sense - then unnecessary work is eliminated with the side effect, that deallocations might not even be necesary. IE. If say 90% of the objects persist until say the window is closed - then who cares about the other 10%. Leave it. When the window closes, blow away all memory associated with it and all of this memory is multipage allocations anyways. This makes life for the memory manager rather easy. Again - you can't have leaks either.
f) The programmer loses nothing in flexibility because if certain objects he/she is using are not logically associated - then those memory requests can just be left with the existing malloc() or new operators.
g) the time required to write a logical layer over either malloc or new is trivial and can be done in 1/2 a day (poor boy solution) or slightly more time if more sophistication is required.
The benefits far outweigh the costs.
h) I think if the Mozilla developers have not done something like this - then they really need to think about it. Things that fall into a "logical" grouping include the memory for a window. The memory for an ssl connection. The memory for a dialogue such as when somone clicks on bookmarks.
Mozilla Debian Package 1.3-5 on unstable handles www.wikipedia.org fine here.
I didn't know Intel made a 1.8 Ghz PIII
Maybe this is a debian woody problem. Mozilla actually locks up on a lot of websites.
It would be nice to get to the bottom of the problem and if it is working in unstable then maybe it is not a mozilla problem.
typo.... meant to tye P IV
-Cnik
except for that flamboyantly gay "About" graphic. That's the gayest firebird I've ever seen.
pr0n - keeping monitor glass spotless since 1981.
WorksForMe Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4b) Gecko/20030507 /. is not really meant for that.
Could you provide a minimised testcase and file a bug at bugzilla.mozilla.org ?
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No mozilla crashes a lot. Its flippen unstable.
This is Slashdot. Don't you mean Losed?
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"Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
The problem with Opera is that to achieve such a speed, it uses some really nasty hacks, worst of them I think, being any dynamic page content not being related to the rest of the page. Like, if you want to create a retraceable menu by changing 'span style="display:none'" ' dynamically, it won't work. The span becomes visible, its contents - not. Same if you want to resize a cell of the table. The cell will overlap the other cells, get beyond the table borders, onto other elements... the table won't change dimensions accordingly.
Just as if I told you to move your ass and you cut your buttocks off and put them aside...
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I have a feeling that every time new Mozilla is released, old bugs I wanted to be fixed, will be fixed. Few are, but quite a few new ones are introduced as well, and most of old ones remain in place. Some people must feel just that way about MS Windows. It's just that I don't have to pay for that.
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F6 toggles between page-focus and url-bar focus
* And remember, it's spelled N-e-t-s-c-a-p-e, but it's pronounced "Mozilla."
Just wonder - does the 1.4 Beta contain a fully working Download Manager ?
The 1.3 series's (including the 1.3.1) Download Manager cannot do "Resume Downloading".
1.4 alpha's Download Manager also failed to resume downloading.
Anyone here know the answer ?
Thanks in advance !
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
Try creating a new profile. Run mozilla with -P and create a new profile called "temp" (or whatever). If it works fine there, maybe there's something weird going on with your profile.
.mozilla
Also, try downloading mozilla from mozilla.org and unpacking it somewhere (/tmp, $HOME, wherever you can write to as a user). Run it with -P and create a new profile with it (so as not to risk your real profile, since profiles are not always backwards-compatible).
Also, orthogonal to this discussion, it never hurts to back up $HOME/.mozilla from time to time: cd && tar cjf _mozilla-bak-`date -I`.tar.gz
Is anyone from the developers assigned the Clear All bug in Mozilla/Firebird reading this?
I have seen that it has been tracked back to Mozilla Code.
Am yet to see a workplan &/or timeframe for fixing this.
Love the concept, but the fact it does not work properly makes it almost worse than useless. You think you have cleaned up butt...
Any progress people? Anything I can do to help?
PS: I think the 4 May nightly has a serious memory leak, but capturing anything useful is hard when the machine dies hard. 4 hours surfing with 20+ tabs open is hard to repeat.
The Singularity is closer than you think
Quant
I think Minotaur is a dead name. It's codname is now Thunderbird and once the app-suite is dead it'll get referred to as just Mozilla Mail
Struggling to find a day everyone can make? WhenShallWe.com
The norm on Unix/Linux is for an application to be usable by all users on the system. Anything less is a severe bug. I'm very disappointed that 1.4 will still have this bug and still require the work around in the release notes for multiuser installs.
Once you get past that bug it is a great program. I love Mozilla.
mozilla sucks. ie pwnz j00.
And obviously, you havent seen a lot of gay stuff, poor kiddo.
There was always(since a long time) a NTLM proxy available that was written in phyton. I am too lazy to type it in google and make a link: ntlm proxy
this will help the linux peokple.
I still had to log in into the proxy with my domain password. I understood from bugzilla it would do so automatically with the windows dll.
The auto configure proxy scripts actually works!
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tools > preferences
expand the "Advanced" property
under that - click "Tabbed Browsing"
check the box for "Open a tab when middle-clicking a link in a Web page"
typo:
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meant "UNcheck the box" for
however, if you do that, firebird will always suck up memory, wether you use it or not
It's just a case of opensource copying a Great Microsoft Innovation!
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- - You can't take something off the Internet! That's like trying to take pee out of a swimming pool.
no such options in my build (04/29).
tools->options
then...?
the only vaguely related option open links in the background.
Classic. They suck up a bunch of memory at login/startup time to save time during app loading. Didn't Microsoft get shit for pulling that technique (by default, granted) with its Office suite and/or Fast Finder?! Oh, sorry, this is Open Source, so we should cut them slack for their BLOATED software that can't load itself on demand in any reasonable length of time?!
I'm running woody and Mozilla 1.3 and I am able to view wikipedia.org just fine, thanks.