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Canadian Census: 20,000 Jedi Worshippers

Lev13than writes "Canada.com is reporting that some 20,000 Canadians listed "Jedi" as their religion in the last national census (2001). Apparently this is the offshoot of an Internet joke which originated in Australia a few years back. The results are interesting on a couple of levels. While it show that some people may have too much time on their hands, it also raises questions of privacy rights, Internet activism and data integrity. Although it's not statistically significant given Canada's population of 31.5 million, 20,000 lightsabre-wielding census-takers is nothing to sneeze at. StatsCan's full report (with no mention of Jedis) can be found here."

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  1. In other news.... by Gortbusters.org · · Score: 5, Funny

    There are about 20,000 single guys who enjoy D&D and star wars in Canada!

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  2. They might just as well have put by Faust7 · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Virgin (Y/N)?"

    1. Re:They might just as well have put by MsGeek · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, after all, Jedi have to live a life of celibacy, right?

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    2. Re:They might just as well have put by Alan+Shutko · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, they can screw, just not love....

      According to Lucas...

  3. No wonder by quantaman · · Score: 4, Funny

    How else can you explain all the Americans who can't figgure out where the heck Canada is! And yes I'm Canadian :)

    p.s. This isn't the country you're looking for.

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  4. Census takers by worst_name_ever · · Score: 5, Funny
    20,000 lightsabre-wielding census-takers is nothing to sneeze at.

    I think you mean census respondents... census-takers are the people who come to your door asking you to fill out the census form. If one of those folks whipped out a lightsaber on me I think I'd try to do an extra-good job of filling in the little bubbles...

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  5. hmmm... by jeffy124 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    (standard disclaimer: IANAL)

    I know in the US someone can register for religious recognition if they have something like 100 followers. (i dont know the exact number) The application can be accepted as long as no animal or person is sacrificed or otherwise eliminated as part of the religion's practice. Other requirements probably have to be met, but I do know that religious killings are a no-no.

    Canada probably has something similar. Maybe someone should consider institutionalizing the Jedi religion and filing the proper paperwork.

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    1. Re:hmmm... by Greyhand · · Score: 5, Funny
      If someone set up an "official" jedi religion, George Lucas would sue the hell out of them. This in turn would set a precident allowing religions to be sued.
      1. Someone creates the official jedi religion
      2. George Lucas sues them
      3. Precident set : religions can be sued
      4. I sue the major world religions for upsetting world peace
      5. PROFIT!!!!
    2. Re:hmmm... by Surak · · Score: 4, Funny

      Shouldn't that be,

      5. PROPHET!!!

      ? :)

  6. Religion Question? by mharris007 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Which brings up a question; Should Religion be a question on a national census form?

    If people are getting offended by the race question on the U.S. census form, I can just imagine the number of people that are going to get pissed off by a religion question.

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    1. Re:Religion Question? by RestiffBard · · Score: 5, Interesting

      For the people that are going to say its no one's business about this or that or how many toilets they have and so forth allow me a moment. First off, the toilet question was a real question from the 2000 US Census.

      Now, before people get up in arms there are legitimate reasons for wanting this data. And they in no way harm any citizen. They are designed to help citizens.

      For instance, the Marklar race respond that on average they earn 12,000 a year and have no indoor toilet. This lets the government know 1. Marklars may not be getting the racial equality that in the US should be mandatory. 2. Marklars are not properly being serviced by their government. This is rudimentary but you get the idea (i hope).

      as for the questions, a curious thing happened in 2000. people complained about the questions, race, toilets, salary etc... Trent Lott, then Senate Majority Leader said that if people didn't want to answer the questions then the Census had no right to compel people to do so.

      Here's the funny part. 1. the Census is meant only to count heads. 2. the other questions on the Census are tacked on by Congress 3. Congress in fact gives the Census the mandate to compel people to answer. 4. Trent Lott is an obvious asshat.

      Finally for all of you clever people that thought the Census wouldn't count you if you closed the blinds when ever an enumerator came by you're wrong. Enumerators, towards the end of the Census would park at the end of your street and count people entering and leaving. How many cars in the driveway? How many people-size shadows behind the curtains? They would make an educated guess at the number and put that down.

      Where is the 2000 Census data now? Arizona. In a big vault for the most part.

      How do I know? That's where I Fed-Exed it. I was a Census Clerk for 2000. No, I really didn't care what you wrote down.

      By the way, James Weatherby of 3247 Main St. has 5 bathrooms.

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    2. Re:Religion Question? by echucker · · Score: 4, Funny

      The one that really gets me is when the option of Aetheist is listed as a religion. What's that about? Anyone else tripped out by that one?

      They only have it because most census respondents don't know who the hell that CowboyNeal guy is.

    3. Re:Religion Question? by dillon_rinker · · Score: 5, Funny

      Gnostics believe that you can know. Agnostics believe you can't know. Diagnostics believe in a deeper knowledge of the divine through a better understanding of diesel mechanics.

    4. Re:Religion Question? by daveo0331 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Excerpt from Census form:

      9. Describe your religious beliefs:

      a. Christian conservative
      b. Other Christian
      c. Please add my name to John Ashcroft's list of "suspicious persons"

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    5. Re:Religion Question? by franimal · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, I received a census form a few months back and after reading the "You are required by law to truthfully complete this survey" statement, I decided to give them a call. Guess what. That religious and race data gets used. It's available to all those congress men and women just itching to do a little social engineering and earmark funds for their various flavors of constituents. For instance, the woman I talked to indicated something along the lines of "I there is an area with a high race concentration that has difficulties they may be elligible for special funding."

      The good thing is that she also indicated that it'd be acceptable if I entered 'DECLINED' in the objectionable boxes. Even though it's really not optional ... they'd prefer that to a lie or the bother of fines/legal action.

      The really bad thing is that this data gets used and it's likely not even right! How many people intentionally enter false data? The really infuriating thing is that this data, perhaps incorrect, is used to collect information on social engineering programs like affirmative action. Yes, it makes sense. But it still drives me nuts.

    6. Re:Religion Question? by ajs · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The one that really gets me is when the option of Aetheist is listed as a religion

      In that sense, Atheist is being used as a "none of the above", which is a more valid use than some I've seen.

      Is atheism a religion? I'm willing to roughly define religion as "a belief system, generaly characterized by the personification of natural forces, worship of same and a system of ritual." In that sense no, atheism is not a religion.

      On the other hand, if you simply defined it as, "a set of beliefs concerning a system of one or more deities," then yes, atheism is a religion, at least as practiced by some.

      I have a friend, for example who has what I would characterize as a "deep and irrational faith" in the non-existance of all gods and the evils of all religion. This is his core faith in the way the universe works, and I can't really make a strong distinction between that and believing that the Post Office box down the street created the universe in 22 nanoseconds out of the belly-button lint of Winston Churchill.

      I, on the other hand am a strict agnostic. I have reached what I consider to be one of only three rational conclusions about religion: that we currently have no conclusive proof that there are any deities, and even if George Burns poped into my living room today and whisked my off to a distant galaxy to show me wonders beyond my imagining, I would still have no proof of anything but a George Burns-looking guy with some amazing abilities (at least to make me see cool stuff, if not actually manifest cool stuff) and a god-complex.

      The other two rational conclusions are a) Pascal was a jerk for pointing it out, but he was right... choose a religion based on the degree of the negative outcome it predicts and hope you're right (note, such people are still technically agnostic in my book) and b) There are more important things to wory about. Enjoy the sun-rise and then get back to work.

      FWIW: When I was about 10, I realized that I was an atheist (I didn't know the term agnostic, much less "strict agnostic" at the time), and in thinking about what that meant I was perhaps more terrified than I have ever been. It's a big deal for a 10 year old to have to face the insignificance of his own existance all at once, but I got over it and decided that I wanted to enjoy it while it lasted anyway.

      I've since refined my sense of ethics based, not on fear of reprisals by a deity, but on the drives that I have in terms of a comfortable society of tolerant peers. Woefully there are too many folks in the world who will never introspect to that degree. For them, religion seems a fair way to deliver a moral and ethical outlook that they'll never have the inclination to generate for themselves.

  7. Originated in NZ then UK by MrOrn · · Score: 5, Informative
    Actually the Jedi answer for the census form started in New Zealand, then spread to the UK around April 2001. Australia's census wasn't until October.



    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/new_med ia /1271380.stm

  8. Use the Force eh? by oogoliegoogolie · · Score: 5, Funny

    The force will be with you, always, you hoser!

  9. OSQ by Cyno01 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Homer: "Marge, anyone could miss Canada. All tucked away down there."

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  10. And if IIRC, by Hawthorne01 · · Score: 4, Funny
    the number of "Jedi Worshippers" in Australia dropped dramatically in a census taken after Episode Two came out.

    Nothing like a sucky sequel to weed out the unbelievers.

    All of a sudden, I have this vision of a bunch of Christians in ancient Corinth, huddled around the latest of Paul's writings. "Wait, this sucks so much compared to his first letter! That's it, I'm leaving!"

    ;-)

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  11. Re:Significant sosiology phenomena by anagama · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hell - people believe in a lot of religions. At least this one has special effects you can actually see ... something other religions fail at miserably. I mean it's all fiction, might as well pick one that comes with a movie.

    If I was gonna pick though, I'd want something Romulan. Romulan chicks are hot!

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  12. Obvious...? by DirtyJ · · Score: 5, Funny
    From the report: Prior to 1971, fewer than 1% of the Canadian population reported having no religion. In 2001, that percentage increased to 16% of the population.

    I find their lack of faith disturbing.

    [ducks]

  13. And so what? by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In the UK, some 390,000 individuals are followers of the force But as the original Canada.com article notes, the Jedi religion choce may have been a protest agains the government surveying religious preference.

  14. But because its Canada.. by marcushnk · · Score: 5, Funny

    That would make them Sith, eh? :-P

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  15. Dodgy reporting? by gwernol · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So if as the article claims:

    "Statistics Canada didn't report the number of people who responded Jedi in tables listing response rates for other religions, saying that their analysis did not include the "media-driven'' response, in part because the sample was so small. However, statisticians did when asked produce tables showing a much smaller number of Rastafarians, Scientologists and Satanists."

    How do they know that 20,000 Canadians declared themselves to be Jedi? Could it be (gasp) just a number that the web site made up so it could write a story about the NZ and UK census returns?

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  16. why couldn't they just follow a normal religion? by SHEENmaster · · Score: 4, Funny

    like Oprahism?

    Anyone remember the Star Trek religion on futurama? All the worshippers were killed by being tossed into volcanoes, the method most befitting virgins.

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  17. Story by quantaman · · Score: 4, Funny

    A few years ago, BEFORE the Episode 1 came out, we named our soccer team "The Jedi". I played fullback and during one game I was having a particularly easy time thwarting the the opposing teams attempts to get by me. Finally one play I miscalculated and a player with the ball slipped by me and started to rush up the field, about 2 seconds after he got by he collapsed with a leg cramp and had to roll himself off the field. For the rest of the season my team was convinced I had used The Force :)

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  18. A Time-Honored Tradition by ewhac · · Score: 4, Informative

    When I first read about this phenomonon, I thought it sounded familiar to something some prankster did many years ago. Now, in this Age of Google, I have found the original article.

    The article deals with the propogation of "memes" -- infectious ideas that take on a life of their own (e.g. "All your base..."). It discusses in particular how the author faced what he thought was a rather impudent question on his college admission form -- asking for his religion -- and, with his cheeky response, inadvertently started a meme. It also discusses how the meme was extinguished by the college administration.

    The religious meme thing is about one-third of the way down, but I recommend reading the whole article. It's a good read.

    Schwab

  19. Overall Religious stats are quite telling by Hamster+Lover · · Score: 5, Funny

    16% of Canadians have "no religion", from 12% in the 1991 census. That's nearly 5 million people in a country of 30 million. Europe and the U.K. have similar makeups. B.C. leads Canada in the "no religion" category at 35% and it is also the largest religious group in the Province.

    Also quite interesting was the shift from mainstream Protestantism to groups such as "born again" and "evangelical christian" (121% increase)and perhaps "no religion" (43% increase) or the eastern religions (roughly 85% increase). Not sure if that indicates an ideological shift or one of identity with respect to "christian". Certainly the rise in Muslin, Sikh, etc. practice can be traced to immigration, Canada has experienced enourmous diversity since the 1991 census.

    I tried to find similar information on the U.S. Census website, but was unable.

    Now, we get to the bottom of a comment where Slashdotters rarely spend time. This is where the real meat and potatoes of many comments are made. Not is this case. I am taking this space to talk of my collection of women's undergarments. Why was this not included on the census form? Surely there are large numbers of lingerie collecting atheist computer geeks out there, how could this be overlooked?

  20. Words of Wisdome to Canadian Jedi by Jedi+Holocron · · Score: 5, Funny

    Do or do not, eh.

  21. Re:Just Wondering by swordboy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There's not an organized society for the Jedi religion like there is for other larger religions is there???

    I would imagine that some enterprising individuals will take advantage sooner or later. At least here in the United States, a religion gets tax-free benefits. Wouldn't it be cool if someone organized a religion and then created a business underworld to avoid the government ala scientology?

    For example,

    A business could hire a Jedi employee. But instead of paying him/her with US currency, they could be paid in Jedi Dollars - JD (insert creative currency name here). The JD's could then be spent at any participating Jedi establishment - merely tax free. If so inclined, the Jedi could ask the employer to pay in a portion of taxable US dollars or the employee could trade them at market rate.

    The opportunity is endless. When someone does implement it, I sure hope that they aren't as crooked as those fucking scientologists.

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  22. Re:Significant sosiology phenomena by zakezuke · · Score: 4, Funny

    Charlton Heston, as Moses in the 10 Commandments. That bit where he parts the red sea is pretty damn spetacular. Definatly on par with yoda i'd say.

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  23. Re:Ack, Damn Aussies always manage to get the cred by uncoveror · · Score: 4, Funny

    The Jedi religion didn't come from New Zealand. It began a long time ago in a galaxy far far away.

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  24. Re:Just Wondering by Narcissus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't think it does perfectly describe any of the major religions. The people that "organised" these religions did not go on to create "a business underworld to avoid the government".

    Yes, there are "followers" of major religions that use others' beliefs to their advantage, but that was not the intent of those that "developed" the religion, unlike the parent post's comment.

  25. Re:Go England! by Chicane-UK · · Score: 4, Informative

    I really wanted to put Jedi down on my Census, but the I had heard rumours that the UK government were going to fine people who put religion as Jedi so I chickened out.

    As it turns out, the only part of the census the government can't fine you for is the religion option... as this snippet from a 2001 Register article says here :

    We spoke to the Home Office - which was not overly entertained especially since the Census is supposed to be deadly serious. However the Home Office would not say what constituted a religion and we subsequently discovered that while you can be heavily fined for putting down false details on a census form, it does not apply to the religion question.

    Ah well... I think 400,000 was more than enough anyway ;)

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