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'Pacemaker'-like GPS Device for Humans

LunarFox writes "Applied Digital Solutions has announced successful field trials of a prototype GPS device that can be implanted into humans. The device, which is internally rechargable, can wirelessly transmit location, movements and vital signs via the Internet, storing the info in a database. It's said to be the size of a pacemaker, but they intend to miniaturize it to one-tenth that size. You may recall this company as having designed the 'Digital Angel,' and 'Verichip,' a ricegrain-sized RFID chip like injectable pet tracking ID chips. This same company apparently made several denials in 2002 that their product(s) would be anything but externally worn. (like a wristwatch) Many other related links can be found at WorldNetDaily." On one hand the potential cool uses astound me, while the possibilty of abuse frightens me. A lot.

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  1. kidnapping of the future: by lovebyte · · Score: 4, Funny

    1. kidnap victim
    2. operate on victim to remove tracking device
    3. ask ransom
    etc..

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    1. Re:kidnapping of the future: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      4. Profit

    2. Re:kidnapping of the future: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Step 0: Use tracking device to locate potential target and analyse daily movement schedule...

    3. Re:kidnapping of the future: by Harald74 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Alternative:

      2. Wrap victim in aluminum foil

      or

      2. Keep victim indoors or inside a car where the GPS doesn't work

      This device is not _that_ hard to foil...

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    4. Re:kidnapping of the future: by will_die · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Kidnapping of the future as the same problems of current kidnapping, and why kidnapping in the US is basicly a dead crime. How do you collect the money and get away.
      Where it could be really usful is with carjacking, since they are so small could contain thier own power, you can stick large amounts of them in a vehicle.

  2. Big Brother is watching!! by mharris007 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm not really into conspiracy theories, and generally not very paranoid; but this really makes you think of what "Big Brother" or anyone for that matter can do to track people.

    I wonder what all the future applications of this device will be? I wonder if in the future they will require known convicted felons to wear these? Just think about all the scary applications such devices can be put to.

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    1. Re:Big Brother is watching!! by mikerich · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I don't have a problem with convicted criminals being implanted, and their movements tracked for a certain amount of time

      There would be major ethical problems for most surgeons. It would go against their creed to operate on a person without their consent when the operation was not needed for a medical condition.

      I think we should take some time to consider the implications of asking doctors and surgeons to perform such operations.

      Besides, the first people to receive these implants should be politicians, oh and the entire staff at Digital Angel.

      Best wishes,
      Mike.

    2. Re:Big Brother is watching!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We already operate on the mentally ill without their informed consent. No-one seems too bothered about dosing schizophrenics with huge doses of drugs that might work to make their condition worse, even without their consent.

    3. Re:Big Brother is watching!! by Grab · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Don't be fooled by the "Big Brother" rubbish.

      The main application, as ever, is military. If the Army can pin-point each of their soldiers and determine easily whether they're alive, dead or injured, they'll be *very* happy. Triage becomes much easier if you know the guy is alive before you go over to him, and if you're wounded then your guys can check that you're still alive before they come to get you under fire.

      Tracking convicted felons sounds a perfect use as well, though. Anyone who thinks this is invasion of privacy, think again - a convicted felon has NO right of privacy, bcos you need to be sure they won't reoffend during their parole period. As a convicted felon, you have a choice - either stay in your cell with Bubba, or get out into the real world but have restrictions on where you can go, what you can do, and and at what time. Take your pick. Personally I reckon anyone allowed out of prison early with a curfew imposed has got pretty damn lucky, compared to the alternative. Of course there is also the point that after the parole period, you'll need to be sure the device is turned off - leaving it on forever *would* be invasion of privacy, unless your crime is such (eg. child molesting) that you are banned for life from entering certain areas such as school zones.

      Grab.

    4. Re:Big Brother is watching!! by dazed-n-confused · · Score: 3, Informative
      I don't have a problem with convicted criminals being implanted, and their movements tracked for a certain amount of time, it'll reduce the prison populations and, hopefully, ensure convicts don't commit more crimes because theyd be found out easier.
      Then you might enjoy this breaking news from the BBC:

      Tagged youth jailed for killing

      A teenager has been given three years detention for killing his girlfriend, a crime he committed while wearing an electronic tag.

      The case is bound to renew debate into the effectiveness of tagging.

      The youth, who cannot be named for legal reasons, was 16 at the time of the crime.

      Curfew

      He had denied murdering the 19-year-old woman, who also cannot be named, but was convicted of her manslaughter.

      She was found shot in the chest in a block of flats on the Stockwell Gardens estate in south London in September last year.

      The youth was under supervision in the community on an electronic tag when he shot her dead.

      The judge called it a "tragic accident".
      Your comments?

  3. Re:You might call me paranoid... by L0k11 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    i take it you've never had an x-ray of yourself

    x-rays would tend to show if people had a GPS device with antennea implanted in them

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  4. The IT job market sucks.. by marcushnk · · Score: 3, Funny

    So where do I get my "career chip"?? :-P

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  5. Boss' revenge? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Interesting how this is posted hours after How to Fake a Hard Day at the Office [/.]. Just when we thought we had outsmarted them...

  6. Extension by cwernli · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'll take it, but only with an extension module: I want to run my own webserver inside myself. Must be a chilling experience to personally get DoSed.

    1. Re:Extension by JohnHegarty · · Score: 4, Funny

      Good idea. When you get that done put a link to it on slashdot.... it will be the first death by slashdotting

  7. Hello people, wake up by override11 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    All those folk with a cell phone?? You allready have one of these, no need to fret. Just have 3 base stations sent pings to your phone, triangulate position, and big brother will be there shortly. Oh, your phone is not turned on? Sok, no need for it to be on. This type of device continues to become more popular, and the amount of power that goes into the hands of people who control this is amazing. Just because its in the terms of service that they will not release this information, how much would it take for someone who REALLY wanted to find you to go see a low level tech @ the cell phone place, pay a bit of $$, and whamo get your exact position and heading. The age of privacy has been over for a long time, people are just waking up too it.

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    1. Re:Hello people, wake up by master_p · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But I can rid of my cell phone anytime I want. I can smash it, burn it, sell it, hack it... I can't do much with an implant though, unless I go for a surgery: which means hospitalization, expenses, and most importanly, other people knowing what I do.

      I can also get rid of my credit card. I can always phone using public phones, If I am paranoid enough.

      So, the age of privacy isn't really over unless we are forced to have these chip implants. Otherwise, even if the phone/cable/car company has some of my data, that does not mean that they know my every move.

  8. What happens? by jkrise · · Score: 5, Insightful

    when the US may reduce non-military GPS accuracy?

    http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/03/19/0340 24 7&mode=nested&tid=126&tid=103

    The potential for abuse is more terrifying, really.

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  9. Paranoia and conspiracy by jellyfish_green · · Score: 3, Funny

    Military? Are you saying the alien abductions and implants left in the abductees are connected to secret programs run by the US Military? Using timeshared UFO technology? That's ridiculous, Mulder.

  10. get a jump on those who would abuse it by wwest4 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    ...and advocate laws (or enforcement of existing laws) that prohibit violations of privacy. then you could take advantage of the benefits at your risk and discretion e.g. like a cell phone... you can turn it off or drive out of range if you don't want to be reached.


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  11. You've got to wonder... by gusnz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...how the company sees this in terms of immediate practical applications.

    I could understand if this was one of those long-sighted DARPA projects that hails from an unlimited budget and a mandate to invent, but a company like this has shareholders to whom they must justify their actions. So what's the immediate market for this device? Even with the "War On Terrah" progressing at a rapid pace, I can't see implanted GPS's being compulsory anytime soon.

    So who's got ideas for the potential use/market for these devices? Paranoid parents wanting to know their children's location at all times? A replacement for medic-alert type bracelets or similar? I somehow can't see this returning on its initial investment in terms of sales, given the risks associated with anaesthetics/implantation in non-subcutaneous tissues weighed against such a trivial funcionality gain.

  12. Mapping by GreggyBUIUC · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Of course, obvious privacy comments aside, this would be interesting in coordination with this old slashdot article which called for real time map generation by having volunteers wear GPS devices. A system like this would be allow planners to construct reliable road and interstate systems based on actual volume of traffic instead of estimates.

  13. READ YOUR OWN ARTICLE! by RMH101 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "Mobile (Cell) phones send signals that can be tracked, even when they're on standby". Turn it off, no RF energy. Simple.
    For fellow geeks with P800s, just put it in "flight mode" for the same effect.

    "I could super-impose an RF signal on the telephone line that would "jump" or "short" out the hook switch on the phone effectively creating an off-hook condition" has precisely bog-all to do with modern GSM digital handsets.

    Also, any site with a cute .gif button mentioning "The Ark of the Covenant: against Satan New World Order" probably isn't exactly a technical journal, dig?

  14. This approach is being used ... by zonix · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Just have 3 base stations sent pings to your phone, triangulate position, and big brother will be there shortly.

    This approach is actually being used by some telephone companies here in Denmark. They can track you, and when you're at home they'll give you a low minute rate.

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  15. After reading the article... by Daemonic · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The induction-based power-recharging method... functions without requiring any physical connection between the power source and the implant.

    So they're not going to be implanting these while you're not looking, unless they can also talk you into recharging it yourself later.

    The overall ickiness of having something inserted, plus of course the overtones of nazi tatoos will stop this being mandatory for a very very long time.

    It's the biometric id cards/credit cards/mobile phones that'll be the really useful peasant-tracking devices. They don't need RFID implants.

    Besides - there'd only be a market in back-street surgeons/hackers to take them out again. This wouldn't be a terribly effective way of tracking criminal types (it would be fine for ordinary citizens of course, but then they're easy enough to find at the moment anyway).

  16. I want more proof of racism by MyNameIsFred · · Score: 4, Insightful
    ...Where I come from, likening chinese and blacks with dogs are racist...

    I would like a little more proof that this was intended to be racist. The obvious intent is to identify tracking children and pets as a use.

    One of the major problems I have with accusations of racism is that behavior frequently is assumed to be racist without any investigation. To illustrate, a few years ago a news program covered racial sensitivity training that a resturant chain was ungoing as part of a court settlement. Cashiers were told to always place the change in the hand of the customer, never on the counter. Because many blacks interpret putting the money on the counter as meaning "you don't want to touch them." This hit me directly, because I have a habit of putting it on the counter regardless of whether the person is white, black, or other. Mainly because I found it easier. So the question becomes how many people thought I was racist, for doing something that I do to everyone. My futher thought is, I want more proof that things are racist before believing so. Racism exists, but not every innocent act is racist.

  17. Re:You might call me paranoid... by Eudial · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well, if you were to make it out of a thin, soft plastic material, and make the wires extremely thin, it wouldn't show up on x-ray. it would, however show up on ultrasound.

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  18. Uh... High-Risk Countries??? by samdu · · Score: 3, Interesting
    From the site

    the Company announced that it was accelerating development of PLD in response to demand from high-risk countries and other potential customers.


    What the hell is a "high-risk" country and why would they want such device?

  19. Hmm, DRM for people. by MrFenty · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I can see a two-tier society of the future where you have the "official" class of people who (not only being owned by MS, the government, RIAA, whoever you want to pick on this week) are willing to submit to having this sort of personal DRM so that law enforcement and other agencies know where they are; and also an underclass of people who refuse this "treatment", and as such as denied access to various funky services, perhaps only getting the most basic of social services.

    Submit to the chip, join The Club - or live on the outside. Very scary.

  20. Re:BigBrother by glesga_kiss · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Where have you been for the last five years? Do you work in an office with key-less ID cards for access anywhere?

    If you do, you already have this sort of thing. Sure, you need to hold the card 6 inches from the panel for it to open the door, however it can register the presence of a card over a much longer distance. So, that ID badge you already carry could be doing just this sort of thing. It all depends on how the system was configured.

    But, this isn't all that new anyway. Mobile phones have been able to do similar things for quite some time. Take this high profile rape case in the UK, where a couple were cleared of criminal charges using mobile phone location evidence.

    Hell, while we are talking about the complete loss of privacy in todays society, I might as well throw in this link to an official European Union report into the routine monitoring of the internet and telephone networks by Echelon.

    This new thing isn't anything to fear. You should be scared already.

  21. How do I interface to it. by crovira · · Score: 3, Funny

    I want an interface. If I get lost, I want to be able to use it. I'm not interested if Joe Schmoe can find me if I can't find myself...

    Then again, it would be a great device for tracking the elderly when they wander off in a fog. I have an ancient and venerable mother whose hippocampus and therefore her ability to process short-term memory is "flambayed".

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  22. homeland security by koi88 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Frightened? Just think how effective we could fight terrorism! Every person in the US could be tracked, we could see who they meet and if they're sleeping, working maybe, in the future, what they're talking about. Of course, only criminals who have something to hide would fear this prospect.
    Yes a device like that is frightening, especially in the hand of a totalitarian regime like the United States' government.
    (Yes, mod me down... I know there are regimes where I couldn't say something like that without risking my life and I'm grateful I can still say that. But the US government do put people in jail without accusing them properly, they torture people outside the country, etc. Just say a person is a suspected terrorist and he automatically loses all human rights. I can still say I disapprove of that. But I'm afraid it's slowly becoming like the USSR in Stalin's times...)

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  23. Not necessarily without their permission by mdfst13 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you had the choice between being in jail and undergoing an operation that would let you get out, which would you choose?

    I'm not sure that they would use this with criminals anyway. It would seem more secure to me to add it externally with a lock for criminals. Internally, it seems to me that they would just get another operation and have it removed.

  24. Re:Some food for the conspiracy theorist among us by tedrlord · · Score: 4, Funny

    Cool use: Ability to keep track of your girlfriend/boyfriend/significant other.

    Frightening abuse: Your girlfriend/boyfriend/significant other keeping track of you.

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  25. There Is at least one already... by danro · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You can view this really cool hack here.

    This guy has his GPS cellphone periodically sending a single UDP package with his coordinates to his server, that builds a http-GET you can click to locate him on MapQuest.
    Pretty neat.

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  26. Go America! by paiute · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Patriot Implant by Halliburton. Only terrorists refuse them.

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  27. Re:Inject it into criminals by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    perfect for ex-cons

    ex-cons are exactly that. Ex. They have served their debt, and are now able to resume (more or less) regular lives.

    Why would you need to track them?

  28. Won't Work for Tracking Crooks by John+Murdoch · · Score: 3, Informative

    Hi!

    We explored the issues involved with tracking humans for a client a couple of years ago. Bottom line: you can only track humans who a) know they are being tracked, and b) are willing to participate. The converse is true: you cannot track someone who is not willing to participate.

    The crucial point is this: it is possible to do field trials with willing subjects, to demonstrate the feasibility of receiving signals. However--it is child's play to defeat the system. And a tracking system that can be defeated is substantially worse than no system at all.

    How GPS works
    Most geeks understand the idea behind GPS, in the sense of determining position based on comparing the time signatures broadcast from multiple satellites. What many people don't realize is how low the signal strength actually is: it's actually not much stronger than background radiation. GPS works because DSPs can dig the signals out of that background radiation and get the data. Key point: Very Weak Signal.

    Result: It's easy to defeat
    Because the GPS signal is so weak, you lose GPS lock (the ability to receive signals from enough satellites) all the time. You lose it going into practically any building; you lose it in tunnels; you can frequently lose it in urban areas (like Manhattan). As a consequence, GPS chipsets simply store (and report) their last known good position. That's usually a good thing. If you're tracking a convict, it could be a very bad thing.

    A very bad thing: here's why
    A while ago we were contacted by a government official with a specific challenge: in the official's words, "In 40% of all homicides the victim has an outstanding Protection From Abuse order against her attacker." I don't know how accurate that figure is--but it's a compelling number. What the official wanted to do was put a GPS tracking device on people (99% men) with current PFA orders. Great idea!

    Except...it is brutally easy to defeat the GPS tracker. Just wrap the device with aluminum foil--or simply cover the GPS antenna with aluminum foil. The GPS unit will simply lose lock--and keep recording your position as the last known good (LKG) position. You can then travel across town, secure in the knowledge that the device cannot report your actual location and warn your ex-wife. And after you've successfully beaten her to death, you'll be able to present the county's own data to demonstrate that while the crime was in progress you were at home--because the GPS unit thinks you're still at the LKG point.

    Bottom line:
    Great idea. (And I'll elaborate in another message.) But not a viable idea for tracking perps.