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Crazy/Nerdy Computer Art Installations

Gernot Ziegler writes "After having read a report on the fusion of Art and Technology, I somehow ended up on Perry Hoberman's page. I don't know this guy, but I've always been fascinated by techno art, and these ones are clearly intriguing. There is the Workaholic, a pendulum with a bar code scanner over a carpet with bar codes and an attached projector that overlays images on the carpet, or the ZOMBIAC (Zone Of Monitor-Based Inter-Amnesiac Contact) that lures the visitors into thinking that the machines react to them directly. You might also want to have a look at this weird auction (that's where I got this link from) ! :)"

124 comments

  1. Pu Tang by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
    You greasy pimply acne infested Linux geeks can talk about "Crazy/Nerdy Computer Art Installations" all you want.

    I'm going out to get some!

    Later, dorks!

  2. fp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    first post niggas. go back to sleep!

    1. Re:fp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Loser.

  3. Geeks by Lucky+Tony · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Cool

  4. FUCK YOU AND YOUR LAME SHIT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I hate all of it if this keeps up I am not going to read this site anymore!

  5. please don't forget by squarefish · · Score: 2, Informative
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    1. Re:please don't forget by robdeadtech · · Score: 4, Interesting
      thanks... In attempt to divert some slashdot traffic off my server... *grin*

      interaccess in Toronto is an amazing gallery.

      The Seemen and SRL in San Francisco will blow your ass up.

      xraylab in Seattle/Chicago/New York does some great interactive work.

      Norm White has been kicking art/tech ass for since before you were born.

      David Rokeby's work is totally amazing too.

      Beige Programming Ensemble in Chicago/St. Louis/New York can make your Atari/C64 do backflips.


      And for some amazing reading... Stephen Wilsons information arts book has no comparison.

      rhizome.org is a pretty good site for all things art/tech (esp. web art)


      And for validation by the mainstream art world check out the whitney's artport.

      enjoy!
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      Heil Sig! -Rob
    2. Re:please don't forget by robdeadtech · · Score: 1

      oh and of course, MIT's leonardo.

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  6. Maybe I've been staring at code too long today but by Joff_NZ · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Users can attempt to steer the pendulum, but it will always remain somewhat unpredictable. At all times, the scanner/pendulum works as a TOOL that operates on the image below. Sometimes the pendulum acts like a kind of CHISEL or ROUTER, cutting grooves through images to expose other images hidden below. Repeated passes will widen these grooves until certain images become completely exposed and dislodged. At this point the pendulum becomes a kind of MAGNET, dragging bits of images along its path. At other times the pendulum acts as a kind of RADAR, updating the parts of the image that it swings over, or a VACUUM CLEANER, sucking up images; a distorting LENS; a BRUSH, a BROOM, and so on. These various functions are reinforced by the use of appropriate sound effects

    .. even after looking at the pics, I can't decipher what the hell they're talking about.. let alone why the usual use of CAPS in the text..

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  7. Check out musical computer art by jjl · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Check out this band - it consists of old 386DX computer having a SB...
    The music is quite fun, as it consists of classics rendered in the adlib-style sounds and top of that the SB speech synthesizer is singing the vocals. :-D

    As can be seen in the pages, they have done many "live concerts" which could be defined also quite nice computer art installations - just the computer sitting on street, playing out its music.

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    1. Re:Check out musical computer art by PD · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the link, this stuff is awesome!

    2. Re:Check out musical computer art by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hello jjl. My name is Dr. Sbaitso. I am here to help you. Say whatever is in your mind freely, our conversation will be kept in strict confidence. Memory contents will be wiped off after you leave. So, tell me about your problems.

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    3. Re:Check out musical computer art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am a talking parrot. Please talk to me!

  8. Check this out by Billly+Gates · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    Here is a page from a guy who does all sorts of weird things like this.

  9. Like this? by Malacca · · Score: -1, Redundant
  10. Re:Maybe I've been staring at code too long today by teklob · · Score: 1

    I think the image is projected onto the floor. It just makes a flat color and then chisels another color into it with different brushes and effects until its a big mess like a winamp vis plugin I dunno though, it doesn't explain well

  11. Perry Hoberman's page by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    votetoimpeach.org link. nice!

  12. Look at the title of the page... by snajdarn · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    What kind of nerd would use Adobe GoLive to create a web page?

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  13. 5145hd07 15 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Redundant

    50 c001 c4n 17 937 4nj b3773r 7h3n 7h15? w00t!

  14. Try filthy_chargen.pl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    #!/usr/bin/perl -w
    use IO::Socket;
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    $server_port = 19;
    $server = IO::Socket::INET->new(LocalPort => $server_port,
    Type => SOCK_STREAM,
    Reuse => 1,
    Listen => 10 );
    while ($client = $server->accept()) {
    print "Got connection from $client\n";
    while(1) {
    $client->send($filthy_string);
    }
    close($client);
    }
    close($server);

    1. Re:Try filthy_chargen.pl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just the thing to keep script kiddies interest piqued.

      Oh did I say script kiddies - I must have been thinking slashdotniks :-)

  15. JESUS CHRIST by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    gasp how am i supposed to breathe with all these fat waggly cocks in my face??!?!?!

  16. The Art of Cunniligus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Hey, I have a lot of respect for all you guys who like to eat pussy because there are too few of you out there. And I'm not the only woman who says this. Furthermore, some of you guys who are giving it the old college try are not doing too well, so maybe this little lesson will help you out. When a woman finds a man who gives good head, she's found a treasure she's not going to let go of him too quickly. This is one rare customer and she knows it. She won't even tell her girlfriends about it or that guy will become the most popular man in town. So, remember, most guys can fuck, and those who can usually do it satisfactorily, but the guy who gives good head, he's got it made.

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    Beautiful, isn't it?

    There is nothing that makes a woman more unique than her pussy.

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    Now look at it again.

    Gently pull the lips apart and look at her inner lips, even lick them if you want to. Now spread the tops of her pussy up until you can find her clit. Women have clits in all different sizes, just like you guys have different sized cocks. It doesn't mean a thing as far as her capacity for orgasm. All it means is more of her is hidden underneath her foreskin.

    Whenever you touch a woman's pussy, make sure your finger is wet. You can lick it or moisten it with juices from inside her. Be sure, by all means, to wet it before you touch her clit because it doesn't have any juices of its own and it's extremely sensitive. Your finger will stick to it if it's dry and that hurts. But you don't want to touch her clit anyway. You have to work up to that. Before she becomes aroused, her clit is too delicate to be handled.

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    Now lick the crease where her leg joins her pussy. Nuzzle your face into her bush. Brush your lips over her slit without pressing down on it to further excite her. After you've done this to the point where your lady is bucking up from her seat and she's straining to get more of you closer to her, then put your lips right on top of her slit.

    Kiss her, gently, then harder. Now use your tongue to separate her pussy lips and when she opens up, run your tongue up and down between the layers of pussy flesh. Gently spread her legs more with your hands. Everything you do with a woman you're about to eat must be done gently.

    Tongue-fuck her. This feels divine. It also teases the hell out of her because by now she wants some attention given to her clit. Check it out. See if her clit has gotten hard enough to peek out of its covering. If so, lick it. If you can't see it, it might still be waiting for you underneath. So bring your tongue up to the top of her slit and feel for her clit. You may barely experience its presence. But even if you can't feel the tiny pearl, you can make it rise by licking the skin that covers it. Lick hard now and pr

  17. computer art installations ,etc... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    check out the work of Mary Flanagan and her phage program...It trolls your hardrive and does random stuff with the data it finds...

    www.maryflanagan.com

    1. Re:computer art installations ,etc... by spydir31 · · Score: 1
      hey, I can do that too...
      dd if=/dev/hda | bash
    2. Re:computer art installations ,etc... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hey maybe I should have said more about her stuff - her work was good enough to get chosen for the Whitney Biennial...

  18. One thing certain about Art by lingqi · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Anyway - I more or less flunked my Philosophy of Art class, but I got out this one little bit, which makes me look at all modern things called "art" in a whole new light.

    In the old days, art copied things - but as photography came about, the necessity of that dropped away, and art began to *comment* on things.

    One thing that art looooves to do is to comment on art itself. (basically one generation of art comments on the previous generation: e.g. post-modernism art being mostly comments on the modernism, etc (for the nit-pickers - i really forgot which "ism" comments on modern-ism, so if the fact is a little off, don't flame, ja?))

    What it really boils down to is that for many years now, art has been very seclusive stuff - stuff commenting on previous stuff which were themselves comments on ever earlier stuff. For the non artist, besides the above as a background, one very, very important word of caution - unless you intend to keep track of what is the current subject of comment, and understand all the crap that came before that, I'd seriously recommend against spending money on the stuff. Besides very few items that eventually ends up famous for famous' sake (Mona-Lisa, for example, is viewed to be "famous because of it's fame" - that's another thing I got out of the class, btw), all you will be receiving in the end is a comment without any context to go with it, kinda like spending money for a single comment of slashdot, without knowledge of all its beowulf cluster of running jokes, previous stories with evil bits set, and you bought it just because it was moderated highly.

    anyway, for decoration purposes, there are many decorating art you get at even malls these days. let me repeat: don't ever spend money on what *real* artist produces, unless you are very sure of what you are doing. (this in response to the auction site)

    not to mention, most of the real art nowadays are crap anyways...

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    1. Re:One thing certain about Art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      The cans should increase in value, too, as they are becoming more rare. At least 45 of the original 90 cans have exploded.

      Sorry, I just loved this... talk about the shit hitting the fan...

    2. Re:One thing certain about Art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      One thing that art looooves to do is to comment on art itself. (basically one generation of art comments on the previous generation: e.g. post-modernism art being mostly comments on the modernism, etc (for the nit-pickers - i really forgot which "ism" comments on modern-ism, so if the fact is a little off, don't flame, ja?))

      What it really boils down to is that for many years now, art has been very seclusive stuff - stuff commenting on previous stuff which were themselves comments on ever earlier stuff.

      Bla bla bla. You have just spared us the blab and said that art is very self-referential.

    3. Re:One thing certain about Art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Besides very few items that eventually ends up famous for famous' sake (Mona-Lisa, for example, is viewed to be "famous because of it's fame" - that's another thing I got out of the class, btw), all you will be receiving in the end is a comment without any context to go with it, kinda like spending money for a single comment of slashdot...

      I am auctioning this comment for one million dollars. A fully authenticated context is included in the price.

      Special bonus comment: In Soviet Russia hot grits eat Natalie Portman!

      Let the bidding wars begin!

  19. Some mind body dichotomy! by Bold+Marauder · · Score: -1, Insightful

    We're all familiar with the Randian concept of the mind body dichotomy, where she states that there is a division between those whose skills lie with the physical world, and others whose skills lie in the spiritaul (what she called 'witch doctors).

    I think she would be quite amused at seeing the artistically inclined who try to bring their emotion-based sensibility to a wholly logical based platform such as computers.

    Indeed, I'm sure that she would see defiling of computers [which are the embodiment of reason and logic] with irrationality [as most forms of modern are are based on] to be disgusting ...assuming she wasn't busy laughing her ass off seeing the high priests of the physical (that would be you computer owners) tripping over themselves to debase themselves at the feet of our modern witch-doctors of bad post-modern esthetics!

    1. Re:Some mind body dichotomy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ignore the poster. Everyone knows that Bold Marauder is a relentless pedophile who cannot keep his hands off of boyscouts. Of course he likes to hide behind a thin veneer of ultra-patriotic nationalism and likes to spew forth comments brimming with right wing christian predjudice, don't let that fool you! He loves the boy anus and will do anything to get it!

      He's been posting elsewhere in this discussion.

    2. Re:Some mind body dichotomy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    3. Re:Some mind body dichotomy! by sg_oneill · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Rand of course being an entirely unoriginal pseudo-philosopher ripped mind-body of descartes.

      I think her reaction to all this would be somewhat around the reaction I got once trying to bring her up in a philosophy tute... Something like "Thats nice shayne, but Ayn Rand is not a philosopher, she was a cult leader."

      Trust me, I dont think the serious world of art academics'd give a fuck what a half baked angerhead like rand would say.

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    4. Re:Some mind body dichotomy! by Bold+Marauder · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Are these the same 'art academics' who sell paintings made out of elephant feces, or the ones who dunk crosses in urine in the name of 'art'?

      Maybe if they did give a , modern art would n't be in the elitist, inaccessible shambles that it is today.

    5. Re:Some mind body dichotomy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only thing that should be dunked in urine is YOU, you un-american, terrorist supporting, pedophile.

      Can't even write FUCK, eh? God says nay to writing FUCK? Right-wing piece of shit. Maybe someday there'll be a law where no one will be allowed to say, write, or even think the word FUCK. That will be a great day for Amerikkka. Christian freak.

    6. Re:Some mind body dichotomy! by LS · · Score: 1

      Sorry, a computer is not "the embodiment of reason and logic". According to Merriam-Webster, a computer is "a programmable electronic device that can store, retrieve, and process data." A more accurate definition of a computer is a device that acts as a Turing Machine, which is an abstract description of a general purpose procedure execution device. See here

      As you can see, the definition of a computer has nothing to do with the type of data it acts upon. I'm sure you've listened to music, a form of art, on your computer. How does this "defile" your computer?

      Or are you just a troll?

      LS

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    7. Re:Some mind body dichotomy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Ok, I found one of your previous comments interresting, so I followed the link in your sig to your letter to your freaks. I found that well thought out, so I bothered to read your comment.

      But I have to say, the comment I'm replying to is not all that different in it's extremism and intolerance from the pretty horrid response it has already evoked.

      Some modern art is elitist and inaccessible (though it's obviously enjoyable for somebody, otherwise it wouldn't have an audience). Other modern art is a reaction against that. My university invites artists to display their art in a room set aside for the purpose. I often went to view these exhibits. A lot of them were pretty extreme, and a lot of them I didn't like. They were still interesting, even though I wouldn't hang it in my own living room. One of them in particular stuck in my mind though. I forget the name of the artist, but he set up a canvas and painted all day. He made each painting fairly quickly and sold them for $5 a piece. They were enjoyable, if unsophisticated pieces. His entire philosophy is that he wanted to be able to reach more people with art.

      There are modern artists who are also trying to reach joe schmoe.

    8. Re:Some mind body dichotomy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are grossly misinterpreting Rand's views. First of all, she is completely against any sort of mind body dichotomy. You need to go back and reread. The mind body dichotomy has to do with the mind's relation to reality. She stands by, and rightfully so, that the mind cannot exist on it's own without a body, as in some primary consciousness or any lower kinds of "witch doctors". Her examples of the witch doctors and the Attilas were there to show the two extremes of philosophical bankruptcy which are derived from the mind body dichotomy. The witch doctors are the mind without the body, thinking they can manipulate reality with only their mind, and the Attilas are the body without the mind being only able to use physical force to get what they want. Her point is that neither of these types are right and because of that neither can succeed on their own.

      As for the rest of your post, there are many computer users, especially slashdot readers, that are intelligent people capable of creating complex code. This was what Rand was all about, using your mind to rationally create. While a computer is a physical tool, so is a pencil and paper that an author could use to create a novel.

      But yes, Rand would agree that art made from dead computers, or toasters, or blenders, or anything like that isn't even close to being actual art at all.

      While you had the right idea that Rand is against modern art, you need to check your understanding before you go any deeper than that.

    9. Re:Some mind body dichotomy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      We're all familiar with the Randian concept of [snip...]
      No, we're not. Some of us prefer REAL philosophy.
  20. Art Prices by iamdrscience · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I never really understood the pricing for a lot of art, I mean I can understand why a really nice picture might be worth a couple hundred dollars -- prints cost money, mounting them costs money and the artists needs to make some money on it. I could easily see paying a couple hundred or more for a picture I really like. Some of these though are ridiculous. Like this print, it says retail price $1200!!! Besides the fact that I can't imagine anybody actually wanting to own that picture I just don't understand where that value comes from. Anybody could make a picture of a Windows XP dialog box saying something like that... it's not even an original idea! Things like that are put up on the web all the time! This one's just as bad and it's $2000.

    That's ridiculous.

    1. Re:Art Prices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Suppose a painting takes 100 hours of an artist's time. Let us say that the artist values his time at $15 per hour. That will give a base price of $1500. Now add in materials, "artistic merit", etc. and the price is higher still. You get the picture.

    2. Re:Art Prices by Dark+Lord+Seth · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      That's ridiculous.

      Actually, it's quite a good idea! For use in X I mean, when Linux becomes mainstream. (About 2 months after Duke Nukem Forever is released) But think of the possibilities! Some script kiddie is trying to sound cool in his favorite cracks/scripts channel on DALnet, using excessive leet speak when all of the sudden, a dialog box like that pops up, disconnects IRC, sets a 24 hour sleep() call in init (to be removed after booting once) and reboots! Such simple joys!

    3. Re:Art Prices by anagama · · Score: 2, Insightful


      Modern art was invented by rich people to make poor people feel stupid.

      Or something like that. It has been 16 years at least since I read Kurt Vonegut's "God Bless You Mr. Rosewater" in highschool, but I think that is a fair paraphrasing of a line in the book made after the city council spent 50 grand on a big green canvas with a stip of orange paint running down one side. Always struck me as quite funny ... in a true way.

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    4. Re:Art Prices by whm · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I believe you're referencing Vonnegut's Breakfast of Champions, in which exactly what you described occurs. Granted - I haven't read God Bless You Mr. Rosewater. I suppose it wouldn't surprise me much for Vonnegut to do something weird like placing the same event in two books, heh :P

      Regardless, I find it mildly ironic that you reference Vonnegut for that point, considering his focus for at least the last decade. However, while I don't know Vonnegut's opinions on modern art, that sort of clever confliction would seem to almost typify him.

    5. Re:Art Prices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, I think painting's really a little bit different because for things like the XP dialog box he pointed out it's something that could have been done up in under an hour and also, unlike a painting an infinite number of copies of it can be reproduced looking exactly the same as the original.

      Also, an artists time isn't really paid for the same way time at a regular job is, an artist might spend an hour on one piece of work and have it sell for tens of thousands of dollars whereas that same artist might make another piece that takes them hundreds or thousands of hours that they can't even sell for a few hundred. An artists time cannot be paid for in the same way an employee in other industries might be.

    6. Re:Art Prices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Also, an artists time isn't really paid for the same way time at a regular job is
      Agreed.

      an artist might spend an hour on one piece of work and have it sell for tens of thousands of dollars whereas that same artist might make another piece that takes them hundreds or thousands of hours that they can't even sell for a few hundred.
      I seriously doubt that. Any artist who can sell a work for five figures has obviously made a name for him/herself, and it's the name that people are paying for. For instance, I admit with some shame that I watched an episode of the Anna Nicole Smith show in which she sold several of her paintings for four figures. She's a terrible artist -- even she admitted that she paints like a child -- but she's famous, so some people want to own her work. Even a famous person's autograph can sell for a lot of money, and that's not even meant to be a work of art. Anyway, the value of an artist's name isn't going to change overnight, so I doubt that they would have a hard time selling something for a few hundred dollars if their name was worth 5 figures a short time ago.

      So, people who buy art are paying for fame. Either the fame of the artist, or the fame of the work itself, but usually some combination of the two. Quality does play a role, but usually only in the sense that better artists and better works of art are more likely to become famous.

    7. Re:Art Prices by HeyLaughingBoy · · Score: 1

      Good points. But some of us (the cheaper ones, anyway :-) just buy art because we like it. The most expensive artwork I own is a handpainted dish I paid $100 for a few years ago. I do have a framed litho from an artist whose work generally costs more than I would pay, but that was free, as we took a class together and one requirement was that students distribute their prints to each other (I got the better part of that deal by far).
      If you want good art, but don't want to pay high prices, go to art school sales or local art fairs. You can pick up amazing stuff at bargain basement prices. That's where most of my other stuff comes from... that, and making friends with budding artists who like to give stuff away.

      Taking a class at a local art school is an excellent experience for those of us in very technical professions. Being surrounded by artists is a great place to be, creativity for creativity's sake. If I could figure out how to get my employer to pay for it, I'd jump at the chance to get an MFA in a second! I have tons of ideas that use technology -- mostly kinetic sculpture -- as artistic expression but can't find time to complete.

    8. Re:Art Prices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're forgetting the "overhead" from failed works.

      Even a master doesn't crank out a masterpiece every time. Any artist winds up spending time on painting that just don't work out. They often get trashed or painted over. Sometimes they struggle to become mediocre and get sold (cheaply) anyway. But every successful sale has to cover the effort involved in several other less successful works.

      Of course, there's regular business overhead, too. Studios don't cost less than offices. Galleries take as big a bite as retail software outlets.

      It's not at all uncommon for an artist to spend several hundred hours on a single painting. The actual time varies hugely with the style and medium and subject.

      If you think artists are overpaid and it's easy money from those ridiculous prices -- by all means, give the profession a try.

      Interestingly, "mass production" of artworks doesn't really change the economics much for most. You might be able to get $10k for one original. A limited run of prints might go for $100, and be limited to 100 copies. Or you might get ten cents royalty on a hundred thousand posters. You're not making much money from any mass merchandising unless your name is Thomas Kinkade.

  21. Just a little definition for you all... by Gandalf_Greyhame · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is an interesting fact which I learnt the other week.

    The word "Techno" actually MEANS "Art"

    Therefore Technology is infact "The study of art." I was distraught when I learnt this, since I am an engineering student and despise those lowly arts students...

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    1. Re:Just a little definition for you all... by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 4, Informative

      We can undo a lot of your disdain for lowly art students by refering you to the book "Information Arts" by Steven Wilson, who also happens to be one of the editors of Leonardo, the journal of art and technology which is behind the website in the lead story.

      There's a nice little quiz at the beginning of the book, listing a number of research projects and asking which ones were done by artists and which ones by scientists. You'd be quite startled by the answers.

    2. Re:Just a little definition for you all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [Greek tekhnologi, systematic treatment of an art or craft : tekhn, skill; see teks- in Indo-European Roots + -logi, -logy.]

    3. Re:Just a little definition for you all... by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Certainly, but there's a bit of a difference between an artist and an artisan.

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    4. Re:Just a little definition for you all... by sould · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The word "Techno" actually MEANS "Art"


      Interesting. This site defines techno as "styles of dance music" derived from the prefix techno (as in technology)


      If however you were talking about the prefix rather then the word, you are still incorrect.


      Techne the greek word the prefix techno comes from, is generally accepted to mean the systematic treatment (ie industrialisation) of arts/crafts (including building, manufacturing, etc) or just skill.

      The idea that it is literally just "art" is one propounded by undergraduate lecturers who haven't the slightest idea about greek culture.


      By the way - Whilst we're on definitions - here is a definition for engineer:
      2. One who operates an engine.


      So any Arts student who rides to school is already an engineer.



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    5. Re:Just a little definition for you all... by fshalor · · Score: 1

      Yeah, one has skill but often little expression, the other thinks they do, but uses the skill they think they have to express themselves. I'll let you figure out which. *ducks*

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    6. Re:Just a little definition for you all... by Unregistered · · Score: 1

      art can be synonomous with skill.

  22. Intriguing Computer Art by Cmdr.+Taco+SuxDix · · Score: 0, Troll

    From boingboing.net which frequently links to interesting computer art there is this

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  23. ZOMBIAC by DrMrLordX · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    The ZOMBIAC is nowhere near as cool as zombo.com!

    Anything is possible at zombo.com!

    The only limit is yourself!

    1. Re:ZOMBIAC by sg_oneill · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Dude. That is one nutty site.

      Allmost fell of the chair laughing!

      WELCOME TO ZOMBOCOM!

      --
      Excuse the Unicode crap in my posts. That's an apostrophe, and slashdot is busted.
    2. Re:ZOMBIAC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yesss......

      The UNATTAINABLE is UNKOWN at Zombocom!

      Welcome, welcome!

    3. Re:ZOMBIAC by Unregistered · · Score: 1

      This would be funny if only you didn't sound like you just saw zombo.com in the articl right above this one.

  24. What?!??! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If all art is a comment on something else, then what I want to know is what the hell is this commenting on?

  25. WHERE MAH REPARASHUN AT, BITCH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting
  26. Technology and Poetry by swifticus · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I watched a lecture by Jim Andrews who is the author of Vispo.com. On Vispo, short for visual poetry, he explores the links between new media, technology, and the creative process of poetry.

    Another way technology plays into poetry is Aleatory Poetry. I experimented with this a bit in this dynamic poem, revelation to pi.

    1. Re:Technology and Poetry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Check http://alpha60.de for another approach to generate text with computers. David Link's "Poetry Machine" is generating out of semantic networks built up entirely from the internet.

  27. some bizarre machines by Alien+Being · · Score: 4, Interesting
    1. Re:some bizarre machines by Trinary · · Score: 1

      Wow. Those things are really impressive. Maybe they just appeal to my aesthetic, but damn...nice link, thanks.

  28. The meaning of "computer art" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    It is hard to get a handle on the what we mean by "art", let alone "computer art". Some say that art is a representation of the metaphysical. Yet, the very term "metaphysics" is repudiated by many feminist philosophers, especially those engaged primarily with twentieth century French and German philosophy, because it connotes a pretension to ahistorical universalism, as if philosophical accounts of the real could transcend the whole cloth of our cultural, historical, and embodied rootedness. Perhaps rather than "computer art" we should use "computer craft" allowing for broader and less austere possibilities.

  29. Re:Just a little definition for you all(off topic) by Gandalf_Greyhame · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Interesting... I don't have a disdain for the arts (art itself that is) but arts classes at universities. AKA the "Bachelor of Attendance." I fail to see the relevance of most of the drivel that exists in those classes. But I think that my greatest complaint with an arts student happened in my first year. In the first fortnight to be precise. At this time I was doing 30+ hours a week at uni, and this bloke was complaining about all of the hours he was going to be spending in class. It transpired that he was an arts student, and had to do a whole 10 hours a week. He dropped a class because he just could not take the pressure of all that work. That is probably where my disdain for the arts comes from. That was really off topic

    P.S. Leonardo DaVinci, one of the greatest artists ever to have existed in the world, and one of the most intelligent and insightful, was infact a millitary engineer by profession.

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    I am not stubborn. I am right!
  30. It's worth by xtal · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ..what someone will pay.

    Nothing more, nothing less. If you like good art, there are better places to look - chances are if you ask around you can find someone who paints who would be flattered if you wanted one of their pictures.

    --
    ..don't panic
    1. Re:It's worth by rnelsonee · · Score: 1

      > ..what someone will pay.

      Exactly. And why do rich people pay so much for artwork? Because if you pay $10,000 for a piece, and then keep it for 50 years, it's now going to be worth more to some other rich guy (especially if the artist dies of course). Expensive pieces of art, like land, tends to appreciate in value over the years. That's why rich people go for it so much.

  31. Re:Maybe I've been staring at code too long today by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 4, Funny
    Ha! Ha! You say you can't understand! You have revealed yourself to be one of the underclass, the lower minds, the kitsch! You are expelled from the coffeehouse forever!

    Everyone knows that when presented with an inexplicable piece of "art", one must immediately feign understanding, lest he be lumped with the great mass of society who can't understand either. You are, of course, better than the rest of society, yes? And if you can't "understand" art exhibitions, you might as well be an animal or a redneck or a cracker! If you don't want to be one of those, make up an explanation of why you think this artwork is deep and immensely thoughtful. And better yet, publish this opinion where others can see it, so that ye may better be recognized at parties as the guy who understood the piece of art that nobody else could appreciate!

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    Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
  32. Technical use? by Phroggy · · Score: 1

    It looks like this could be used as a random (as opposed to pseudorandom) number generator, or as random seeds for a pseudorandom number generator. Something similar was done by pointing a webcam at a lava lamp. Random unpredictability is important for things like encryption.

    --
    $x='S24;r)>63/* h@<5+oZ)32"5cz';$me='phroggy'x$];
    $x=~y+ -xz+\0-Tx+;print$_^chop$me for split'',$x;
  33. Re:Just a little [incorrect] definition for you a by sould · · Score: -1, Redundant

    The word "Techno" actually MEANS "Art"


    Interesting. defines techno as "styles of dance music" derived from the prefix techno (as in technology)
    If however you were talking about the prefix rather then the word, you are still incorrect.
    Techne the greek word the prefix techno comes from, is generally accepted to mean the systematic treatment of arts/crafts (including building, manufacturing, etc) or just skill
    Whilst we're on definitions - a definition for engineer:
    2. One who operates an engine.
    So any Arts student who rides to school is allready an engineer.

  34. head over to your sock drawer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Because nerds RARELY get some.

  35. Please Help Me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    I'm sexually abusing my little six year old sister. Please make me stop.

  36. Re:Just a little definition for you all(off topic) by Trinary · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Bah. So hate that guy, don't generalize about the people working and educating those in the field. My girlfriend is a recently-graduated Art History major, with a secondary focus in studio art, specifically sculpture. She worked HARD for her degree, at a state school, in the art department...and got a good education under professors making a pittance and working in one of the most underfunded departments in the US. (Colorado state school art depts.)

    I've seen her put more hours toward a sculpture piece than I ever put toward a program in the CS curriculum at the same school, one that is reasonably well-respected. I had the same disdain, until I found that most CS students were rock-stupid slackers, and most art students were rock-stupid slackers...

    You'll find lazy people everywhere. Keep that in mind.

  37. Don't get down on yourself, nerds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    but you won't be getting anything like this anytime soon. Turn off your computers! Go outside! run free. you know you salivate when you think of WARM, WET, PUSSY

  38. I had the chance to interview Rob Ballda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    www.cmdrtaco.net

    You know the drill all to well by this point in time. It's time for the self-deprecating yet ego stroking babble-about-myself page. It's required by net.law. If I violate this sacred net tradition, my cheesy vanity domain name will be taken from me and given to starving school children. My servers will be taken and given to the needy. And I'll be tied to a chair and forced to write HTML for companies that manufacture cardboard boxes, or code CGI apps for warehouses that ship boxes. Either way, its boxes, and thats no good.

    Where are you? I'm in Holland Michigan. Look at your right palm. I'm about half way between the base of your pinky and your wrist. Plus or minus a few veins. Holland is the home of the Tulip Festival- the 3rd largest festival in the United States (following the Festival of Roses and Mardi Gras). Personally I'd rather be in Pasadena or New Orleans, but this is where I am, and this is where I'm gonna stay until I go crazy and move.

    Currently I hang my hat in my fabulous house north of town. Its a nice place on a couple of acres of trees where I can hide in between conferences and meetings.

    Didja Go to School? I wish I didn't, but truth be known, I attended many years of formal education, starting from Rose Park Christian Nursry School, Rose Park Elementary, Holland Christian Middle School, and eventually graduation from Holland Christian High School in 1994. I followed up this career by attending Holland's other major Christian Institution: Hope College. After 4.5 years (the extra semester for was for luck!) I graduated with a B.S. in Computer Science and a Minor in Studio Art. During this time I got poor grades while spending every waking moment that wasn't devoted to education teaching myself anything about computers I could get my brain around. My favorite parts of school was ceramics, drawing, and graphics classes where I was forced to learn enough math to understand Splines and raytracing.

    Have you ever had a Job? My first job was at a grocery store. I spent several years bagging food, carrying them to cars, and putting boxes on shelves. This prepared me perfectly for my later career in the realm of computers (cough cough). My first real tech job was at Donnelly where I spent 2 more years fixing computers. Here is where I learned the difference between 115 and 220 current, as well as why Windows is the worst operating system on the planet. Following my time at Donnelly I worked at The Image Group where I performed various tasks ranging from HTML guy and pseudo Sysadmin to CGI Hack. I worked on sites including First Michigan Bank and Woodland Realty before I eventually served out my sentance and started my own company with a few friends.

    For much of my college career I ran a little web site known as Slashdot. From megaer beginings it grew to be quite a popular net destination. We've won lots of awards and we serve up a million+ pages each day. My time is now fully consumed with running this beast. In June of 99 it was acquired by Andover.Net. and I was employed to maintain charge of the site. The food chain continued as Andover was in turn swallowed by VA Linux Systems. We are now a business group collectively known as OSDN, but what I do hasn't really changed from the days when I ran Slashdot out of my bedroom.

    I'm also on the board of BlockStackers, a company created by me and friends. This company was the corporate structure that held Slashdot for a year, and continues to be the home of Everything2- our wacky, distributedly maintained web database, Perl Monks, a perl hacker site, and AdFu, our banner ad server. Now if we make money or not, that remains to be seen, but at least its fun. I've also been known to spend much time working with Kurt the Pope on a project known as AnimeFu, a (surprise) Anime film site also based on the E2 engine mentioned earlier.

    So what do you like?

    * Computers. From the days of TRS-80s and BASIC with line numbers, on out to C, C++, SQL, Pascal, Ada, and pretty much any other l

  39. horse cock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    horse cock

  40. The Obsolotron 2000 by BHearsum · · Score: 3, Interesting

    http://www.somalounge.net/obsolotron.php

    Neat idea.

  41. rhinoceros cock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    rhinoceros cock

  42. giraffe cock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    giraffe cock

  43. Favorite artists? by redfood · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Here a some of my favorite artist working in the interactive media/techno arts: Who are yours?
  44. Genisis 1:1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Jill awoke to the sounds of familiarity, and the comfort of her own bed. She reached out next to her as she did every morning, then finding the bed empty remembered that it was Monday, and Gary, her husband, must have left for work already. Opening her eyes she took note that the sun was well up behind the closed curtains, and sighing rolled out of bed, she had things to do today, and one of them was saying goodbye to Dirt. She nearly tripped over the Black Labrador Retriever, Jackie's dog, Bear, on her way to the bathroom, sure that it had to be his cum running down her thighs from fucking her last night in her very own bed for Gary's photographic pleasure. A smile visited her face as she patted the animal on the head in passing. For a dog, he was one hell of a lover. He'd fucked her twice already, and licked her to several climaxes before that. Yes the experiment, at least that's the way she looked at it, had gone well. Over the weekend she'd been fucked in every hole she had by one black cock or another, and loved every bit of it. Her life twin, the strawberry blonde Yvette had even introduced Jill to the pleasures that animal cock can bring to a hungry woman's pussy, and Jill had hopes of seeing just how kinky Yvette and her black husband Pierre really were during the rest of their stay in California. Still nude, Jill lowered the toilet seat and sat down to pee. At first her pussy evacuated what dog scum was still up in her then thankfully a stream of piss sizzled into the john. Bear had decided to join her at that moment, and put his body between Jill's open legs, his head going right to her groin, and he began lapping at the stream of pee exiting her hole. Of course his tongue swiped along her sensitive slit as it caught her urine, and Jill's head flew back in wicked delight. "Ooooooh, you nasty bastard," Jill moaned, "even Gary doesn't come in her when I pee," but she didn't push the dog's head away, instead holding it where it could better assist in sliding the length of her slit. Tail wagging, Bear happily lapped away in Jill's smooth hairless crotch, and she again sighed at the delicious feeling that doing something wrong and not getting caught lent to the obscene act. However as soon as she finished peeing she did shoo the dog out of her way, so that she could run a bath. Bear seemed to understand, and backed out of the way as Jill stood up, and turned to run the bath water. Never giving what she did in her normal routine a second thought, Jill got down on her knees next to the tub, fixed the stopper, and turned the knobs, checking to make sure the temperature was just to her liking, and adding several bath oil beads. Unfortunately, Bear took this as an invitation of sorts, and moved in up behind her. Just as Jill was about to get up from her hands and knees to go get fresh towels, a weight dropped onto her back that she wasn't expecting driving her back down on all fours. Half in and half out of the tub Jill couldn't get any leverage, and knowing that it was the Black Lab on her mounting her in the classic dog fucking his bitch position didn't help any. The bath oil beads had already dissolved and now her hands were slippery, and unable to get a purchase anywhere. If she didn't do something, and soon, the dog was going to fuck her again, but this time without her consent. Jill shivered then at the thought of literally being raped by the dog. After all, she hadn't asked for it, this time, and unfortunately Bear didn't understand human language, he'd just know that she had been his willing bitch twice already. Jill nearly slipped into the tub then as Bear's canine cock suddenly found what it was searching for, a hole. The problem, at least for Jill was, that it was the wrong hole, but if she let go of her tenuous hold she'd fall head first all the way into the bathtub, taking the dog with her. Then it dawned on her, that was her way out. Just fall into the tub. She allowed her arms to collapse then, and her head and shoulders went in under the warm water. Bear yelped as his dick popped out of the hairless bitc

  45. 923876376984068340968304967 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

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  46. what happened? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    I AM SO fucking sick and tired of trools.wht happened 2 the good ol days when their where smart poeple that could mkae intellignet converstioans. NOW Titsjust FUCILNKGi TOR)LL alls futhe fucking day !!! U FUCKING FAGS

  47. Re:Maybe I've been staring at code too long today by petecarlson · · Score: 1

    The pendulum is the mouse pointer. The screen is a photo opened by The Gimp.
    The tool that the pointer represents changes depending on the state of the image. Sometimes it erases a layer and sometimes it paints a layer etc...

  48. *BSD IS DYING by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    It is official; Netcraft now confirms: *BSD is dying

    One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

    You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

    FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

    Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

    OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

    Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

    All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

  49. Re:Just a little definition for you all...(BSD) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    It is official; Netcraft now confirms: *BSD is dying

    One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

    You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

    FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

    Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

    OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

    Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

    All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

  50. Re:please don't forget THAT I AM A TR0LL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    It is official; Netcraft now confirms: *BSD is dying

    One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

    You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

    FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

    Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

    OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

    Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

    All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

  51. Re:Maybe I've been staring at code too long today by uberchicken · · Score: 1

    The caps indicate functions that the "machine" performs in response to the bar codes it reads. The pendulum reads the bar codes, and these control what the overhead projector displays.

  52. Re:Check out musical computer BSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    It is official; Netcraft now confirms: *BSD is dying

    One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

    You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

    FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

    Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

    OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

    Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

    All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

  53. ANIMUSIC by ShadeARG · · Score: 1

    ANIMUSIC is more than worth checking out. The current DVD and CD is arranged very nicely and the eye candy is amazing. There is going to be a 16:9 and 5.1 (hoping for DTS) release in the early first quarter of 2004.

    1. Re:ANIMUSIC by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      I can't wait for someone to create a WinAMP plug-in that does something similar! =) The animation looks really awsome. But damn, the music sucks. Sounds too much like something Yani would have composed. Yuk!

      --
      Life is not for the lazy.
  54. Don't forget that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    It is official; Netcraft now confirms: *BSD is dying

    One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

    You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

    FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

    Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

    OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

    Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

    All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

  55. art is cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    art is cool

    1. Re:art is cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      anus

  56. lowtech art by sparkes · · Score: 5, Interesting

    if you sail on over to lowtech.org you can see a group in the UK using redundant technology both in art and in society.

    the group a2rt (www.a2rt.org) are also starting up something similar as well.

    The reasoning behind using lowtech computers in art and social projects was given by James Walbank the founder of the lowtech project in this speech to an arts conference with the theme of revolution. James correctly pointed out that you can't have a revolution with a price tag of over £1000.

    favourite pieces include redundant array, and the video wall that was reprised in even better fashion here at fort lux

    Art is what you make it, found art is what you find and what you make it, lowtech art is finding art in skips.

    sparkes

  57. Warning: OT by hdparm · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    Somebody, please make editors post this already!!!

    They should be stopped!

  58. the good old days by funwithstuff · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I remember, years ago, when I went along to the AIMIA awards with a friend, on the Gold Coast in Australia. The two of us wandered slowly around the space in white paint-protection suits (very high tech) with Powerbooks running PixelToy mounted to our chests. People could speak into the screens and see the psychedelic screen change. Fun, and hanging out in the green room with the other weirdos was a laugh.

    Oh, and someone else gave me money to develop an early version of this thing identikit into what you can see today. All done with QuickTime VR object movies. Full experience from the main page at funwithstuff.com.

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  59. Here's a more up-to-date link by plagiarist · · Score: 2, Informative

    The link in the parent post is a little out of date. This is the correct link, which has up-to-date concert listings and CD's.

    1. Re:Here's a more up-to-date link by jjl · · Score: 1

      Oops, you're right. I accidentally googled up some old link. :-(

      Somebody mod the parent of this message up...

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  60. The original computer art.. by CausticWindow · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Check out scene.org viewing tips.

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    1. Re:The original computer art.. by Late · · Score: 1

      Or check out Kiasma, the Finnish national Museum of Contemporary Art, for an exhibition. More information at demoskene.katastro.fi.

    2. Re:The original computer art.. by CausticWindow · · Score: 1

      Ah, neat. Demoscene displayed in a museum.

      The Finland scene has always been strong. Names like Virtual Dreams/FLT, CNCD, Parallax, Scoopex, Byterapers, etc. brings back many memories.

      And they're displaying the classic Amiga demo Deep (Psilocybin remix) by CNCD and Parallax. Arguably the best demo ever :)

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  61. Software art by plagiarist · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Another approach to computer art, which recognizes its roots in computer culture as well as in "art" - is software art. Lots of cool stuff over at runme.org... and read_me, an entire festival devoted to software art, is coming up in a couple weeks in Helsinki..

  62. Audio-video software art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    This project from the runme.org page looks pretty cool. There's also a movie of the software in action.

  63. Re:your sig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "A lot" is two words. You wouldn't say "alittle", would you?

    As scary as it is, some do...

  64. systems maintenance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    my favorite quote describing Perry Hoberman's installation, entitled "systems maintenance":

    the goal is continually thwarted by the ease with which a single user can re-introduce disorder into the system.

    - a.c.

  65. Unpredictable?! by Natchswing · · Score: 1
    > Users can attempt to steer the pendulum, but it will always remain somewhat unpredictable.

    Users may apply forces to this pendulum while it follows laws of physics and gravitation, but it's still unpredictable.

    What part of a pendulum with forces acting on it is anything but calculatable to a highschool sophomore in a physics class?

    Just because some hippy artist isn't able to figure out that the pendulum is going to move away from him when he pushes it DOESN'T make in unpredictable.

    Now, if it would suddenly transform into a small cactus with the ability to alter colors on a small wood working shop in the bronx - that would be unpredictable.

    "For my next art project I have used the curious attractive force known as gravity. Watch as I let these objects go, from rest! They seem to accelerate rather unpredictably. Some go down. Others go downer. Some might even go up!"

    1. Re:Unpredictable?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing to say but RTFA

  66. more cool art and tech work by robdeadtech · · Score: 3, Interesting

    interaccess in Toronto is an amazing gallery.
    The Seemen and SRL in San Francisco will blow your ass up.
    xraylab in Seattle/Chicago/New York does some great interactive work.
    Norm White has been kicking art/tech ass for since before you were born.
    David Rokeby's work is totally amazing too.

    Beige Programming Ensemble in Chicago/St. Louis/New York can make your Atari/C64 do backflips.

    and for some amazing reading... Stephen Wilsons information arts book has no comparison.
    rhizome.org is a pretty good site for all things art/tech (esp. web art)

    And for validation by the mainstream art world check out the whitney's artport.

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  67. Is it a good thing... by mschoolbus · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    ...when an online auction site goes down because of a /.ing?

    1. Re:Is it a good thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i just logged into the server and tuned the mysql-server. so it is holding the load for the moment...

  68. hacking == art by scrotch · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm learning programing and System Administration on the job after getting a Masters in sculpture. They're really rather similar fields.

    First, some notes for those that have an out-dated or tv-inspired understanding of the art world:

    Most artists are really very down to earth. Much of what they make is not, but the people themselves are not flaky astrologer hippies. (like most hackers. vs. their television counterparts.)

    Many museum and gallery directors are rather flaky. (like your boss.)

    Art is largely self-referential. Artists make art knowing art history for people that know art history.

    Art is a lot of problem solving - where the artist generates and solves the problem.

    Art has been around for centuries and was changed radically by the camera.

    When hacking is five hundred years old, it will seem a lot more like art that it does even now. Already, an experienced coder is not impressed by some newbie's new chat program (like mine) that introduces no new functionality to the genre.

    But if that chat app made comments on what everyone said, maybe that would be new and interesting. If it added something to the genre of chat apps while commenting on chatting, it would be self referential, new, and interesting. And regular users all over the world would call it elitist, weird and stupid, claiming it was just designed to make them look ignorant.

    Right now, programming is already looking a lot like art. New guys mock Cobol programmers the same way new art school students mock figure painters. No one is interested in my chat program for the same reasons I'm not interested in looking at paintings of mountains - I've seen it a million times before, there's nothing new here.

  69. Re:Maybe I've been staring at code too long today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Translation: You don't understand art, therefore there is nothing to understand.

  70. Stop with the "art" nonsense out there. by ScottGant · · Score: 0

    I'm sick of it. The 20th century was hijacked by the art critics and lead everyone into believing that the crap that Pollock and Picasso made was "art".

    Take a good, long look at this website http://www.artrenewal.org/index.html

    It used to take years and years of training, copying from the masters, learning space and form, learning perspective etc etc. But when you see people paying $100,000 for a blank canvas because some critic said it was important, then it's time for us to stand up and say enough is enough!

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    "Music is everybody's possession. It's only publishers who think that people own it." - John Lennon.
  71. Re:Just a little definition for you all(off topic) by Hellkitty · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Good job for your girlfriend. When I was an undergrad, I had a roommate who was majoring in art history and she worked harder than ANYONE I knew going for a more technical or scientific degree, including myself. I would have never been able to handle some of the work she had.

    It takes all types to make the world go around. I'm growing bored of the elitest attitude that so many geeks sport twoards people who move towards a fine arts or a liberal arts field. Lazy and geek are not mutually exclusive just as it is possible for people who aren't in an engineering field to actually be *gasp* intelligent. Sorry for the rant. It's not directed at anyone specifically, just an overall attitude I've seen lately.

  72. despise those lowly arts students... by fernd1 · · Score: 1

    And it is people like you that make this world an awful place. You can only gain knowledge by looking at the world from multiple perspectives, and you can only gain wisdom by looking at the world holistically.

  73. Re:Maybe I've been staring at code too long today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get off it, the emperor has no clothes.

  74. Re:Maybe I've been staring at code too long today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    To someone with a third-grade math education, differential equations look like gibberish. It's called an education. Look into getting one.

  75. Can't talk about Digital Art without mentioning... by killproc · · Score: 0

    Vilot.com This guy is a nut (consulted with him on a job a couple of years back), but he is one talented artist. Does all of his work in the digital domain then prints to canvas. Definitely worth checking out his work and his "digital" art philosophy.

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  76. Fair use of the OED by Benwick · · Score: 1

    repr. Gr. sevmo-, combining form of sOEvmg art, occurring in technology, etc.; techno-co"mmercial, -eco"nomic adjs.; also in the following terms: "technocomplex Archæol. (see quot. 1968). "technofear = technophobia below. "technofreak [freak n.1 4c], an enthusiast for technology or for the technical complexities of a particular piece of equipment; hence techno-"freakish a. technographic a. technography (-"Qgr@fI) [-graphy], the description of the arts, forming the preliminary stage of technology (technology 1); hence tech"nographer, one versed in technography; technographic (-"gr&fIk) a. techno-"manager, a person who is both a technologist and a manager; hence %techno-mana"gerial a. techno"mania, a mania for technology; hence techno"maniac. %techno-me"chanic a. (nonce-wd.), pertaining to mechanical art (in quot. absol. as n.). technonomy (-"Qn@mI) [-nomy], the practical application of the principles of the arts, forming the final stage of technology; hence technonomic (-"nQmIk) a. (Cent. Dict. 1891). "technophile, one who favours technology. techno"phobia, fear of technology; so "technophobe, a person who fears technology. tech"nopolis [-polis], a society dominated by technology; hence techno"politan a. "technosphere [-sphere], the technological aspect of human activity. "technostress orig. U.S., (psychosomatic illness caused by) stress arising from working in an environment dominated by (esp. computer) technology; hence "technostressed a., affected by technostress. "technostructure, a group of technologists or technical experts that controls the workings of industry or government. techno"tronic a. = technetronic a.