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GNOME 2.3 Snapshot, KDE 3.1.2 Released

BSD Forums writes "The GNOME Development Series Snapshot 2.3.1 "Daddy Walrus", is now available. FreeBSD's Joe Marcus Clarke has ported this release (2.3) on FreeBSD and is looking for your testing help. Also, the KDE Project announced the immediate availability of KDE 3.1.2, a maintenance release for the third generation of this UNIX desktop."

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  1. Re:Woohoo! More Format Wars! by sisukapalli1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Buddy... If you have to explain whether some "computer system" has a "standard for a freaking UI" to *FRIENDS AND FAMILY*, you probably have more to worry about than the format wars.

    S

  2. I had no idea.... by frodo+from+middle+ea · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was reading all tha anti-radhat commotions regarding KDE and frankly I never understood what the fuss was all about.
    But now that i switched to gentoo (this is not ment to be gentoo praise), i finally realise how much can i customise KDE.
    But then again i am not sure if RH crippled KDE enough to be non-customisable.
    ROCK on KDE.

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    1. Re:I had no idea.... by Kesha · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yeah, I was not sure either. I've been a RedHat user almost from the start (RH 4.2, 5.0, 5.1, 5.2, 6.0, 6.1, 6.2, 7.1, 7.2, 7.3). I hand built KDE-3.1 on RedHat 7.3 from CVS, and was happy with it.

      A while ago I upgraded to RH9, nearly tore my hair out after seeing what they did to KDE, and promptly switched to SuSE 8.2 professional (plus got a cool T-shirt from SuSE).

      I have long ago decided that if the stories are true I would let my wallet speak for me, and I believe RedHat 7.3 was the last RedHat I will ever have paid for. I am a SuSE user from now on. I wish RedHat better luck with GNOME, but I have made my choice, and it is KDE. Honestly, I wish RedHat would not support KDE at all instead of making changes to it that will never be accepted back into the KDE source tree, it's just a waste of effort that could be better spent on GNOME.

      Paul.

    2. Re:I had no idea.... by DarrylM · · Score: 5, Informative

      If you are using Redhat and love KDE, I would highly suggest checking out the KDE-Redhat project on SourceForge. Rex and his group have done an excellent job of building & optimizing the KDE packages for Redhat versions and, if you are using apt-rpm, it's fairly easy to keep up-to-date with their builds.

      Cheers!

      Darryl

    3. Re:I had no idea.... by Cnik70 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I totally agree with you on this one. I was a die hard RH fan up till 8.0 came out. Within days I grabbed a copy of SuSE 8.1 and haven't looked back ever since. I still believe the RH makes a good distro, but I really did not like how they mangled KDE and the ability to easily customize it.

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    4. Re:I had no idea.... by Kesha · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In RH9 they screwed up the KDE panel, the Icons look really bad when you set the panel size to "small". This bug was not in vanilla KDE. They also insist on changing all the KDE panel contents every time I log in. I have four Linux boxes at home running on NFS/NIS. When I log in to RH9 on the server, it does something to my Desktop customizations. I then log in to RH7.3 in my room and the vanilla KDE is screwed up because RH9 has "upgraded" me to their KDE flavour.

      The solution appeared to me to upgrade all four boxes to the same level, and I was pissed off enough at RedHat to have gone to SuSE instead. Why? Because their KDE does not suck as much, and because all of their system configuration tools are written in Qt, which makes them consistent with the rest of the desktop.

      I know that this is getting off topic, but I also would like to mention that SuSE is cheaper (the Pro version), comes with great documentation, and supports ALSA. Also, RH9 did not recognize my TV card on setup, but SuSE did - more points for SuSE. And another thing - SuSE employes KDE coders, so I would rather compensate them by purchasing the SuSE Linux.

      Paul.

    5. Re:I had no idea.... by Ed+Avis · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I am currently a Mandrake user, but next time I upgrade I will probably go to Red Hat. They seem to be the only distribution making a serious effort to integrate the software they provide, rather than just pulling a bunch of packages off the net and installing them in /usr/. I don't care about ideological purity of 'the KDE environment' or 'the GNOME environment'. What matters is having all the applications work consistently together, and if Red Hat is prepared to kill a few sacred cows to do it, good luck to them.

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  3. Re:Woohoo! More Format Wars! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Isn't it fun to explain to how windows has no choice for a freaking UI to your friends and family?

  4. Don't bother to install Gnome 2.3.1 by twener · · Score: 4, Informative

    Don't bother to install Gnome 2.3.1, according to Gnome's release schedule 2.3.2 is to be released in two days.

    1. Re:Don't bother to install Gnome 2.3.1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      The 2.3 series is intended for developers. So it shouldn't matter if they have to reinstall a week later.

      Oh, and 2.3.2 will take more than 2 days. There is a delay on the schedule that you can notice if you look at the release date of 2.3.1

    2. Re:Don't bother to install Gnome 2.3.1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Don't bother to install Gnome 2.3.1, according to Apple. OS X is better.

  5. A heritage desktop for Linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    What's a desktop user to do if you're interested in American heritage and morality? It seems like the major choices for Linux desktop environments are between a European product (KDE and the underlying Qt library) and a Mexican product (Miguel's GNOME environment.) For those of us who are concerned about what kind of statement we make by using products from certain parts of the world, where does that leave us? Both Europe and Mexico basically told us to go eff ourselves during the recent liberation of Iraq. The UK was on our side, but the UK has never been heavily involved with the development of Qt/KDE.

    Personally, I still find myself using FVWM. It's fast, lightweight, and (as far as I know) it's homegrown. However, it's old, and FVWM users such as myself are missing out on some of the newer Linux technology. Are there any plans for an American desktop environment? And do all Americans who are serious about boycotting products from states of concern really realize where KDE and GNOME come from? I think a lot of people might be unpleasantly surprised if they found out some of the things that they're supporting by using some of these foreign environments.

    1. Re:A heritage desktop for Linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      This isn't really an issue for most Linux users, because most Linux users are dirty communist hippies anyway.

      Real, patriotic Americans, stimulate the economy by purchasing new Dell PCs, which come pre-loaded with a genuine copy of Microsoft Windows XP Professional.

      Socialism, Communism, and Linux are for backwards European countries and for jealous nations like Canada--a country that silently ignores the fact that 90% of its population live within 250 miles of its border with the United States.

  6. How Much Longer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    What is the expected release date of the much anticipated KDE 3.11 for Workgroups?

    I assume that will be followed by KDE 95....

    1. Re:How Much Longer by hal200 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm just waiting for KDE Pi (3.1.4.....)

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  7. So when by linuxislandsucks · · Score: 4, Funny

    So when is the SCO Group lawsuits against Gnome an dKDe suppoed to be filed?

    It seem SCO Group only considers suing the best..

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    1. Re:So when by mindriot · · Score: 5, Funny
      It seem SCO Group only considers suing the best...

      Oh, cool! We'll finally get the answer to the long GNOME-or-KDE religious battle... just wait and see who gets sued by SCO first...

      ;->

    2. Re:So when by Grishnakh · · Score: 4, Funny

      See, KDE and GNOME are like bicycles, whereas the far superior and more mature CDE desktop environment is like a race car. KDE and GNOME obviously must have copied code from CDE to have advanced features like multiple workspaces, alt-tab, and a clock, since there's no way they could have devised those on their own.

  8. whither Ximian GNOME 2? by IGnatius+T+Foobar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    All this new GNOME and KDE stuff is great, but what I really want to know is, when will Ximian's release of GNOME 2.x be ready? Their GNOME 1.x release far surpassed what everyone else was doing with it at the time. If their 2.x is similarly superior, it's really going to be super slick.

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    1. Re:whither Ximian GNOME 2? by Hieronymus+Howard · · Score: 4, Insightful

      All this new GNOME and KDE stuff is great, but what I really want to know is, when will Ximian's release of GNOME 2.x be ready? Their GNOME 1.x release far surpassed what everyone else was doing with it at the time. If their 2.x is similarly superior, it's really going to be super slick.

      I'd agree that Ximian Gnome 1.x was a great product. I compared it to (the then current) KDE 2.x, and Ximian just blew KDE away. I've been a devoted Gnome user since. However, I recently migrated from Red Hat+Ximian to Gentoo/Gnome 2.2. At least that was the intention, until I took a look at KDE 3.1. Wow - instantly konverted! It's uch slicker & more usable than Gnome. Maybe Ximian will redress the balance. Gnome/GTK still has the best apps though. Nothing can touch Evolution or Galeon (so far), though Konqueror is catching up with Galeon.

      HH (waiting to emerge -u kde)
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  9. KDE 3.1.2 Changelog by twener · · Score: 4, Informative

    The link to the KDE 3.1.2 change log is missing in the story. And for the case you missed it, the KDE 3.1 New Feature Guide and the KDE 3.1 Screenshots are still available.

    1. Re:KDE 3.1.2 Changelog by asteinberg · · Score: 4, Informative

      Pretty interesting to see that the changelog contains almost nothing major - just a small handful of "fixed ___ bug". I'd say that's a good sign that the KDE 3.1.x line is nice and mature and stable.

      Bring on 3.2 :)

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  10. Uggh, released already? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    Geez, and I'm still trying to compile kde 3.1.1 on
    my ancient Sun box. And now I need to stop that and
    install kde 3.1.2? Probably by the time I'm finished with
    that the kde folks will be up to 3.1.3


    Well, the good thing about GNOME is it won't compile
    at all on my Sun box, so no need to even bother.

  11. Larry the cow says. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

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  12. Re:I have to say I'm psyched! And I just can't wai by cdemon6 · · Score: 5, Informative

    >>> I have to say I'm psyched! And I just can't wait for 2005 to come around, when I can pull them out of debian stable. ;)

    what about pulling it right now?

    just use unstable as i do... if you want debian as a desktop unstable is a very good choice, don't think this unstable would actually mean unstable in the commen sense.

    in fact, it is even considered to be more stable that testing by many people (not all people, no flaimbait please) :)

  13. Re:My one KDE feature request by echo · · Score: 4, Informative

    Add an icon into the K menu for your script (using the menu editor)... you can set a keyboard shortcut to execute this script in menu editor as well.

    Right click on the K menu to access menu editor.

  14. Re:I have to say I'm psyched! And I just can't wai by terkozer · · Score: 4, Informative
    Actually, pop this into your apt.sources

    deb http://ftp.us.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.1.2/Debian stable main

    And you can have the latest & greatest KDE running on stable.

  15. Maintenance vs New Functionality by chill · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'd like to applaud the method the KDE team uses, releasing maintenance releases that focus on fixing bugs and improving stability.

    I've seen too many patches and fixes that insist in introducing new components or functionality at the same time as a fix. The separation of "fix" and "feature" is a critical one for minimizing the number of new bugs introduced.

    While KDE is by no means the only project where this is practiced, they are a big one and it is a method that should be praised and emulated whenever possible.

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  16. Re:Desktop war in news? by einhverfr · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Here are the basic considerations:

    1: You should install both if at all possible. There is a large and growing level of interop between the two libraries, and some of the GNOME applications are extremely advanced and powerful (Gnumeric, Evolution, etc.) Also KDE has many applications, so you may want to use them. And if you have both installed, you can use KDE apps on GNOME and vice versa.

    2: As for which one to use, I think you should evaluate both. Gnome 2.x and Kde3.1.x are both very mature and useable desktops.

    Here is what I would do. I would take 10 employees that seem of typical skill, set up GNOME and KDE on systems, and ask them to evaluate their uses.

    One think I will say as a network admin, though is that once the LDAP backend is completed for GCONF, that will be very helpful for network support. Of course until it exists, treat it as vaporware, and judge based upon the current capabilities, not the promised future.

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  17. Re:ATTENTION!!! by damiam · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It wasn't amusing, it was just stupid. Everyone knows that the purpuse of Debian stable is to be stable, and therefore it does not carry development releases. Pointing that out every time a remotely-related thread comes around is utterly pointless.

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