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GNOME 2.3 Snapshot, KDE 3.1.2 Released
BSD Forums writes "The GNOME Development Series Snapshot 2.3.1 "Daddy Walrus", is now available. FreeBSD's Joe Marcus Clarke has ported this release (2.3) on FreeBSD and is looking for your testing help. Also, the KDE Project announced the immediate availability of KDE 3.1.2, a maintenance release for the third generation of this UNIX desktop."
for 2005 to come around, when I can pull them out of debian stable. ;)
I don't have a problem with that as much as I have problems with the UIs themselves. All those developers, and they still haven't been able to produce a window manager that I like better than OS X. ::sigh:: ...
-- shayborg
Buddy... If you have to explain whether some "computer system" has a "standard for a freaking UI" to *FRIENDS AND FAMILY*, you probably have more to worry about than the format wars.
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I was reading all tha anti-radhat commotions regarding KDE and frankly I never understood what the fuss was all about.
But now that i switched to gentoo (this is not ment to be gentoo praise), i finally realise how much can i customise KDE.
But then again i am not sure if RH crippled KDE enough to be non-customisable.
ROCK on KDE.
for the last time people, I am "frodo from middle eaRTH", not "middle eaST".
As opposed to, say, Windows, where you have the classic Windows 95-style interface and the newer Windows XP-style interface.
Oh, but perhaps you can claim that Windows XP has a standard UI. In that case, you can similarly claim that Mandrake Linux has a standard UI.
Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.
Isn't it fun to explain to how windows has no choice for a freaking UI to your friends and family?
Don't bother to install Gnome 2.3.1, according to Gnome's release schedule 2.3.2 is to be released in two days.
What's a desktop user to do if you're interested in American heritage and morality? It seems like the major choices for Linux desktop environments are between a European product (KDE and the underlying Qt library) and a Mexican product (Miguel's GNOME environment.) For those of us who are concerned about what kind of statement we make by using products from certain parts of the world, where does that leave us? Both Europe and Mexico basically told us to go eff ourselves during the recent liberation of Iraq. The UK was on our side, but the UK has never been heavily involved with the development of Qt/KDE.
Personally, I still find myself using FVWM. It's fast, lightweight, and (as far as I know) it's homegrown. However, it's old, and FVWM users such as myself are missing out on some of the newer Linux technology. Are there any plans for an American desktop environment? And do all Americans who are serious about boycotting products from states of concern really realize where KDE and GNOME come from? I think a lot of people might be unpleasantly surprised if they found out some of the things that they're supporting by using some of these foreign environments.
What is the expected release date of the much anticipated KDE 3.11 for Workgroups?
I assume that will be followed by KDE 95....
So when is the SCO Group lawsuits against Gnome an dKDe suppoed to be filed?
It seem SCO Group only considers suing the best..
Don't Tread on OpenSource
All this new GNOME and KDE stuff is great, but what I really want to know is, when will Ximian's release of GNOME 2.x be ready? Their GNOME 1.x release far surpassed what everyone else was doing with it at the time. If their 2.x is similarly superior, it's really going to be super slick.
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Speaking of Gnome or KDE, I'm currently evaluating Linux on the desktop for the company that I work at and would definitly be interested in people's comments or any resources that would help me make a determination of which desktop to implement. There seems to be a lot of "noise" when it comes to choosing between these two desktops and not a whole bunch of useful information. Any takers? :)
Honestly I'd rather have one UI I think is decent than a gazillion subpar ones.
-- shayborg
The link to the KDE 3.1.2 change log is missing in the story. And for the case you missed it, the KDE 3.1 New Feature Guide and the KDE 3.1 Screenshots are still available.
my ancient Sun box. And now I need to stop that and
install kde 3.1.2? Probably by the time I'm finished with
that the kde folks will be up to 3.1.3
Well, the good thing about GNOME is it won't compile
at all on my Sun box, so no need to even bother.
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Well, for better or for worse, here's my take:
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Javascript + Nintendo DSi = DSiCade
>>> I have to say I'm psyched! And I just can't wait for 2005 to come around, when I can pull them out of debian stable. ;)
:)
what about pulling it right now?
just use unstable as i do... if you want debian as a desktop unstable is a very good choice, don't think this unstable would actually mean unstable in the commen sense.
in fact, it is even considered to be more stable that testing by many people (not all people, no flaimbait please)
And it might already be there. Please let me know.
I want ARBITRARY keyboard shortcuts. I want to be able to write a shell script (or any executable), and have it execute when I hit (ctrl)-(alt)-w (My keystroke to bring up a vertically maximized terminal window).
I was quite scared with gnome 2.x when they seemed to take this feature away, but I found out how to do it eventually (gconf-editor under the metacity stuff).
Zapman
It was a JOKE. Thank you for your time. We all know about debian unstable, he was merely making an amusing statent. I hate these fucking human dictionary robots.
UI wars aside, KDE 3.1.2 still has an obnoxious bug. Please vote and/or comment at the given link.
KDE is IMHO awesome, but its habit of automatically switching focus to error dialogs on another desktop is driving me insane. Especially since, statistics aside, the switcheroo invaribly happens when I'm writing a Slashdot post, and in my furor hit "enter" just as a warning dialog comes up.
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Just another 2 minutes that I should have been writing my thesis.
How can I tell how cool it is without screenshots?
You should read the weekly KDE CVS Digest if you're so eager to read about new features.
work, you mean play solitaire in between reboots? ;)
anime+manga together at last.. in real time.
deb http://ftp.us.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.1.2/Debian stable main
And you can have the latest & greatest KDE running on stable.
I am glad to see Gnome has not bowed to market pressure and released the latest version as Gnome 3.
Unlike Mandrake 9 and MSN 8. None of which had version 1.0, 2.0, 3.0 etc. They just upped the numbers to match their competitor. (RedHat 9, AOL 8).
http://www.kubuntu.org/
I'd like to applaud the method the KDE team uses, releasing maintenance releases that focus on fixing bugs and improving stability.
I've seen too many patches and fixes that insist in introducing new components or functionality at the same time as a fix. The separation of "fix" and "feature" is a critical one for minimizing the number of new bugs introduced.
While KDE is by no means the only project where this is practiced, they are a big one and it is a method that should be praised and emulated whenever possible.
Learning HOW to think is more important than learning WHAT to think.
...YOU INSENSITIVE CLOD!!!
It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men. -Frederick Douglass
Here are the basic considerations:
1: You should install both if at all possible. There is a large and growing level of interop between the two libraries, and some of the GNOME applications are extremely advanced and powerful (Gnumeric, Evolution, etc.) Also KDE has many applications, so you may want to use them. And if you have both installed, you can use KDE apps on GNOME and vice versa.
2: As for which one to use, I think you should evaluate both. Gnome 2.x and Kde3.1.x are both very mature and useable desktops.
Here is what I would do. I would take 10 employees that seem of typical skill, set up GNOME and KDE on systems, and ask them to evaluate their uses.
One think I will say as a network admin, though is that once the LDAP backend is completed for GCONF, that will be very helpful for network support. Of course until it exists, treat it as vaporware, and judge based upon the current capabilities, not the promised future.
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The press releases have been like that since 3.0, I don't about stuff before that. They're just trying to appear more professional, nothing wrong with that.
Vote for global prefs bug
Ah yes, a wonderful window manager. Stil has a few bug and the development seems to have stop. Once you get use to EvilWM you hardly ever uses the mouse, just like it should be.
:-)
Personally I never liked the desktop environments. Gnome and KDE are big and slow, at least on my old laptop. They also use a lot of screen space on eye candy. However most people will never feel at home in WMs like EvilWM or RatPoisen. They where never meant to be the thing that would attract the avarage computer user. Would your mom use KDE or EvilWM ? Let us remember next time some moron suggest making a standard interface for Linux (*nix) that most of us love it because we can choose the environment that aid us best in our work.
KDE and Gnome are great because they make it easier for me to move my users from Windows to Linux, which is easier to administrate. And I win again
I have used Redhat 9 and Mandrake 9.1 and for a KDE user Mandrake is better in every way. The theme is easy to change and KDE just feels snappier compared to the one in Redhat. Plus Redhat decided to hide the "show desktop" icon in the panel, one of the most useful features.
*Fluxbox not KDE or Metacity. Eyecandy in the WM is pointless. Desktop wheeling, tabbed windows useful!
*Konq is the file manager. The rest of KDE is useless.
*GTK is the widget library. The rest of Gnome is useless.
*GTK AA-text and font-prefs work without launching gnome-control-center when not running Gnome.
*MozFirebird is the browser, with proper native GTK widgets. (XULGlade Theme?)
*OpenOffice document engine & rendering engine with Gnumeric or Abiword interface.
*QT becomes a theming engine ontop of GTK.
*Abandon all dockapps, panels, kickers: replace it with Karamba + OpenGL to compete with Longhorn & OSX.
*PDF viewer: rendering engine of Acrobat, UI functionality of KGhostview, using GTK widgets.
That's all I can think of for now. I hope you can see it in your mind now.
KDE would never implement Clippy.
The would implement Klippy.
Ergonomica Auctorita Illico!