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Opera Releases Version 7 For Linux
Wee writes "I happened to notice this morning that Opera 7 for Linux has been released. New features include fastforward and rewind, the ability to take notes in conjuction with web pages, a cookie manager, a password manager, and a very serviceable integrated email client called M2 (which was previously only available for the Windows version). Version 7 of Opera also represents a complete code rewrite, from the rendering engine up, and the improvements are fairly significant. Mirrors for debs, rpms and tarballs are on Opera's download page."
This is the release, the other were "technology previews" (ie alpha versions) and betas.
no, that was the Opera "bork" Edition
Upon further checking I saw that that story talks about the Windows release and Linux beta. My bad. ;)
To fix this, you have to "rpm -Uvh openmotif21-2.1.30-6.i386.rpm" from one of your Red Hat install CDs (yep, the older openmotif21 RPM is not installed by default on Red Hat 8.0). Sadly, this crucial dependency problem is not mentioned on either the download page or the FAQ, but is buried in their knowledge base here. Hope this helps folks struggling out there...
The only thing I still miss are the mouse gestures.
Actually in IE if you hold down the shift key, the scroll-wheel becomes a back-forward wheel, which is all I used the gestures for when I used Opera. Although they were cool, I have to admit.
# ln -s ../../X11R6/lib/libXm.so.3 /usr/local/lib/libXm.so.2
# ldconfig
# rpm --nodeps -ivh opera-7.11-20030515.4-shared-qt.i386.rpm
Works perfectly, as far as I can tell.
How am I supposed to fit a pithy, relevant quote into 120 characters?
Have you tried Optimoz Mouse Gestures?
Google doesn't index user sigs, so stop trying to "Google Bomb" with them.
Check out the Mozilla Mouse Gestures project. I don't use Opera, so I'm not sure if it reproduces all Opera gestures, but knowing Mozilla, there will be a very awkward but powerful way to customize it the way you like... - Eric
It's good software. Being closed or open doesn't matter to many people as long as the software is good. Quite a lot of Mac software (including the OS itself) isn't open, yet you'll see plenty of it here for that same reason. Opera is incredibly fast, very stable and secure. It's not IE, and so represents choice. It's cross platform. It's highly configurable. Lots of people use it, especially those not quite "in the mainstream" (geeks; Slashdot's target audience). Pick one reason I guess.
As far as needing another browser for MS-centric stuff, well I suspect you'd have the same problem if you used Moz, Konqueror, Netscape 4, or anything that isn't IE with MS Money and such (in fact, you'd probably have issues even with older versions of IE). I've seen some issues with sites and online apps that cater exclusively to IE. And since IE isn't available for Linux I have no choice but to find alternatives. Ecommerce hasn't been a problem, however. I've shopped online at about every major ecommerce site you could probably think of without any issues I can recall.
Is this one of those nested advertisements?
No. They may exist, but this isn't one of them. At least nobody paid me to submit it. I literally happened to go to opera.com this morning to insatll the beta of version 7 on a new machine and saw the press release about 7 going gold. Figuring that other people on Slashdot might like to know about it (see above), I submitted it. I also recalled seeing the 7 beta get a mention a few months ago (which is what caused me to go an grab the beta, actually) and I figured folks here would like to know about the final release version too.
-B
Ash and Hickory, straight-grained and true, make excellent bludgeons, dandy for the cudgeling of vegetarians.
Note the RedHat 7 RPMs will not install either, it has the wrong path for the qt3 libraries.
DZM
Opera has a lot going for it.
In the past, Opera made a name for itself by being a smaller, faster browser. That's still true, but now it also has a superior feature set that elevates it above all browsers.
Som of the better features include:
Sessions - allow you to open up many different pages at once, either at startup or at any time;
Mouse gestures - semi-intuitive mouse click and movement patterns that allow you to go back (hold down right mouse button, click the left one), go forward (hold down left mouse button, click the right one), etc, that greatly speed up the browsing experience;
Notes - just what the name suggests; this lets you save and enter snippets of text to and from a browser window;
M2 mail client - integrated mail client with spam filtering and POP3, IMAP, and ESMTP support;
Wand - a fantastic password manager that saves lots of time when logging into sites;
Transfers - a decent download manager; and
Fast Forward and Rewind - lets you navigae forward automatically using the most obvious link (which can great but can also be a bit hit and miss sometimes).
That's not an exhaustive list, it's just some of the features that I've found in Opera that make me love it. Yes, some of these features can be found in Mozilla but, equally, some of them can't.
And while Opera might not be free, it's not exactly a rip-off either. True, there is an ad-supported version that won't cost you anything (and that doesn't impact on your surfing speed - check out the Opera website to find out why) but when a product's this good and "just works", why not support the developers by buying it?
If you haven't already tried Opera then do it right away. Give it a month or two and you'll never want to go back to MSIE, Netscape, Mozilla or whatever else you've been using.
"Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
"Sort of the same thing that's been haunting Firebird/Phoenix."
I've never had a problem with Flash on either Linux or Windows in the last year in which I've been using various builds of Mozilla/Phoenix full time.
If you can't get it to work stop by Mozillazine.
"why are there so many problems with these fringe browsers and Flash?"
I dunno maybe Flash just sucks? Why don't you ask why so many websites are shoving useless Flash animations down our throats? I end up killing Flash on 99% of websites I visit because it ends up just getting in the way.
If you wanna get rich, you know that payback is a bitch
I tried this also on my RH9 system and yes, it forced the install but I still have problems. Only root can run Opera and I get a message complaining of a segmentation fault and it does not find my java installation which I have.
It seems very very fast but I also seem to have some font problems. The menu bar fonts are very small and the rest of the page seems a size or two large.
I really want to use Opera but these install problems are simply not acceptable. I had to pay up another $15 to upgrade from 6 to 7 and this shouldn't be happening.
It may be that few Mac-only users will miss a decent Opera version, but it's a loss to people who move around from Mac to Windows to Linux. I used (and paid for) Opera when I was predominantly working on a Windows desktop, and used the Linux version from time to time. Last year when I migrated to OS X for my work platform I tried to stick with Opera, but the Mac version was so deficient and buggy that I shifted to Mozilla on all platforms; I preferred Opera's navigational modes and shortcuts, but cross-platform consistency and reliability was much more important. Proper CSS rendering is another factor in Mozilla's favor.
Nowadays I use Mozilla at work for my heavy-duty functioning, while on the iBook I got for home use I'm tending to use Safari and Mozilla Firebird. On the family desktop PC that handles finances and Internet commerce it's Mozilla. (Opera on Windows was less likely to work with secure commercial websites than Mozilla anyway, in my experience.)
If Opera had kept current with its Mac development, chances are I'd have paid for a two-platform license. Now it's unlikely I'll go back to Opera on any platform. Don't know if that's at all a representative experience, but there it is.
Cookie manager, password manager, skinning, fine, fine.
This is the part I actually care about:
The standards support in Opera 7 has been improved with added support for DOM level 2 and CSS2; improved ECMAScript and HTML 4.01 support; and complete WML 1.3 and 2.0 support. Opera 7 also handles non-standard pages using DHTML, giving Opera's millions of old and new users a hassle-free Internet experience.
That is what's important to me. What I ultimately want to hear is that Opera can render everything Internet Explorer 6.0 can, if not more. Most websites are designed with IE in mind--like it or not, the dominant browser drives website innovation, not the W3C. It's not right, but that's how it is.
The only way I would ever switch to Opera would be if I knew I was going to have the same, or better, viewing functionalty as IE. It looks as if they're finally making progress in this respect.
The coolest voice ever.
ASP.NET objects designed just for IE
I don't know what you're talking about...ASP.NET controls run server side and has little or nothing to do w/ specific browsers.Are you insinuating that the asp.net objects purposely render html code that works only w/ IE? If so, I'd love to see an example of this.
The only distinction that ASP.NET makes is between "up/down level" browsers, which really only affects a small subset of validation controls. The behaviour difference is whether some javascript validation code is referenced in the page, if you've used one of these validation controls. If this code doesn't work for a particular browser, one is always free to replace/modify it...either way, the validation is always performed server side.
"Use Current Group" in the Navigator Prefs for home page. You can also bookmark groups of tabs.
KrisplyKringle wrote: Well, they make up stories, but thats an exception (well, they and Fox).
And then newwave wrote: Is this just a swipe at a news channel simply because they actually include a conservative point of view, or do you have something to back this up?
And then I wrote: Fox doesn't make up stories, they just spread rumours that most other news sources would ignore. Oh wait a minute, Fox news does make up stories, but only when they support a conservative point of view. The rest of the time they are busy just manipulating the public. But of course, in the US, that is perfectly legal!.
I'm a writer, a poet, a genius, I know it. I don't buy software, I grow it.
not really... ASP.NET objects do use embeded javascript and style commands that only IE will understand and display correctly. I've seen it first hand.
No.
Mozilla is very hack-friendly, most simple customizations like remapping the keyboard are found here. The deeper you get, the more technical the documentation becomes, but that is what is so great about open software like mozilla IMHO. If you ever have a need for that kind of information, it's there.. use software like IE and you're stuck with what your vendor provides.
:P
I think that type-ahead-find in mozilla is a great feature as well, but it does kill off keyboard mappings in its current state. Hopefully when it becomes more mature it will require a leader for all searches or at least leave it as a preference to the user. I had remapped mozilla with a vi-like keyboard interface that worked out well until type-ahead-find came along. The only thing better than using hjkl for navigation is type-ahead-find in mozilla
http://my.opera.com/customize/skins/index.pl?cat=O pera%20style&author=0&perscreen=10&skip=0&search=& show=new
Enjoy! If you don't like those particular skins, they have a lot of other ones, many of which look quite nice. Also, although the button layout and such is different from older versions, it's pretty easy to rearrange them as you like. I don't understand what you mean by "dumbed down the configuration interface," though -- it seems pretty much the same to me..
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Every win2k machine I have ever installed it on I have to turn of JAVA support or the broweser crashed constantly.. kinda sad actually.
Oh well..
"Consider how lucky you are that life has been good to you so far. Alternatively, if life hasn't been good to you so far
Time to buy a student licence and mail the developers, you'd think. ;-)
You don't need to buy a license to report a bug. And you could also try news.opera.no and get some help there.
circa 2005:
Bob: I bet you use Opera don't you?
Bart: I certainly do. Version 10.0 finally supports CSS style sheets. I bet you don't even know what that is, trendmonkey.
You don't have to wait that long. Opera supports CSS today.
Not very surprising, considering that the CTO at Opera was the guy that proposed CSS in the first place.
This is possible because Opera has two great features:
1. On Windows at least (I have no idea about the Linux version), it installs cleanly to a directory. There are no hard coded registry keys or such. Everything is under the installation directory.
2. It has a great crash recovery feature. If a PC (or just Opera) crashes for whatever reason, I just relaunch it and it will get me back to exactly where I was before the crash, and all the pages will load from the up-to-the-minute cache.
If you want to do the same, here is the trick:
1. Install Opera to a directory in your USB memory stick, ie, K:\Opera
2. Configure all that you want.
3. That is it. Now, the only thing that is hard coded in the installation is the drive letter (K in the example above), so when you go to the other machine, just issue the DOS command "SUBST G: K:\".
This will give you a new drive named K: pointing to the actual USB drive, which is G: in the example.
Now I have my favorite browser, my links, and the web papges I was reading last all in my key ring. Can't say I can do this with any other browser.
Have fun.
""We are continuing to work on the Mac version," said Tetzchner in an interview."
Clever signature text goes here.
Everyone knows that Opera is not spyware. Anyone can verify that as well, if they can be bothered to check the facts before throwing accusations around. They are not trying to hide the ad data at all, so a packet sniffer will show you what is going on.
Keep on trolling dude.
Clever signature text goes here.
Maybe you arent using a KDE desktop.
.profile.
In that case, add 'export QT_XFT=1' to your
Opera (I think) invented mouse gestures. - as an idea, mouse gestures have been around for at least 10 years, I went to the University of Toronto 1996-2000 and in my second year I took CSC318 - human computer interactions. We covered various types of interfaces including 'desktop metaphors' and mouse gestures were among them. Among the most innovative types of interfaces were circular menus that in fact work on mouse gesture principles. You click your mouse, a circular menu pops up. Instead of moving within a linear menu (people are not good at measuring relative lengths) you gest with the mouse without even clicking towards one of the 8 choices that are found on the circumference of the menue. Once you made a gesture towards your choice, another circular menu would pop-up and your cursor would be in the center of it, so you can do another gesture at some point arriving at your destination choice. Now, in the research they actually built a menu system like that and the test subjects learned to use it so quickly that the menu would not even pop up, (the graphical menu representation would not have time to render itself) when the human would do another gesture right away. So it would look like someone just moves the mouse erratically but an action would take place. I think they found that for most optimal use, depth of the menues should not exceed 4 levels.
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