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meonkeys writes "What if you could securely subscribe to a trusted P2P file broadcaster? Check out konspire! An interesting concept; implemented in C++ and controllable via a cool Web interface ala Mutella."
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Now I don't have to manually download crappy rips of my favorite songs, I can have them forced upon me! :-)
Actually, this looks like a cool idea. The fact that it's a sourceforge project only makes it better!
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I am not interested in "pushed" multimedia, but imagine having your Gentoo packages already pre-fetched for you, whenever there's an update? Emerge and it just starts compiling w/out the download step. Mmmm...
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This means that we firewalled users can give you pr0n. Now you will have more sources for pr0n. This is good, no?
I'd love to share my stuff, but port forwarding is annoying, and I've only got one IP. This would allow me to share back.
What I don't understand is... why doesn't gnutella support this sort of thing? How come I can't check with my ultrapeer to see if someone wants one of my songs? Would that require maintaining a heavier connection to my ultrapeer?
I've got all this pr0n, and all this bandwidth... but no IPs to share it with.
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It does sound a lot like moderated newsgroups (if moderation was enforced). I still prefer newsgroups over P2P. The spam only fools me once or twice and doesn't cost much to download.
(Any input given would be gratefully received btw)
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This sounds really cool . I my self write quite a few programs (all small time) if I could offload some of the bandwith requirements for updates amoung my users I could "push" an update every time that it is need rather than having them poll a central server and grab the file or bit torren (as it is currently) . It still remains to see just how stable this network is going to be but if it works it sounds fairly cool . The fact that it allready has signing built in for the chanel controller this saves me a bit of time . All in all good job! Of course there will be illegetimate uses (the 24/7 hard core porn channell comes to mind) but this looks like that it could be used by small companies (like me) to keep the updates flowing in a decentralized fashion to our customers/user without sucking up all our bandwith.
Some problems with Konspire's prebroadcast/broadcast method would be solved by your idea. They currently use a source which sends to one client. Then the source and the client each send to one more new client. Propogation time could be exponential but, like you said, there could be problems getting files transferred in a minimum of time. If the initial client is on a 56k and the file is 400 mb, then the whole grid will be paused for hours. Also, each phase in synchronized, so any one very slow transfer can slow everyone else down. Another problem is that if one of the transferring node drops, the third level client can't just attach back to the server to get the rest of the file.
.torrent files they could easily combine their push idea with Bit Torrent's swarm file transferring.
In fact, if the main source server could just host
Heck, this is even more true if you leverage Mozilla and XUL. Yes, you are limiting yourself to a certain "platform" (the Mozilla platform), but you end up with something which is supremely portable (as much as Mozilla is portable) and incredibly powerful.
I'm watching the "caught prebroadcasts" page on the web interface, and there's a channel called "TEST Kubrik movies" that's sending a new Kubrick movie out every, oh, 3 seconds. How is this possible? Did I misunderstand how the system works?
The concept of konspire is really cool. It provides a good method of anonymity of the original sender. Pesonally I'd like to see it use the bittorrent method of file delivery because you have the potential of only having to send the whole file once, plus if konspire decides to send the file to a 28.8k modem user first, everybody else will have to wait until that user gets the file before they can receive it, where as bittorrent's method can send to many people simultaneously and still use less bandwidth. The problem with bittorrent is that you know who sent the original files, because you got the .torrent from them, so a combination of both technologies would rule!
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When does the technology get pervasive enough to start warranting more useful apps built on top of P2P? Like a way to post resumes, jobs, RFPs, etc.. and be able to query/respond... without needing the 400 job boards out there. Or code snippets, or news services that can survive massive overloads ala 9/11?
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So to any given node it is unknown whether the node it's receiving a transmission is the original distributor. But still, the node it is receiving from is a distributor - that's just as illegal, at least in the context of copyright protected works. Especially since in this network, whoever distributes a given file also requested it (at least that's what I am reading out of the documentation), in contrast to other networks, eg. freenet where the fact that you have data on your HD and distribute it to other people does not imply that you requested that data to be there yourself.
...but as a direct consequence of knowing what is in your share, or at least the ability to know that (that is, only the things you're subscribing to). Open relays don't get sued for fraud, 0 day hacked warez servers don't get sued for piracy (arr!) and your DDoS host doesn't get sued for launching DoS attacks because they did not know what was being routed through them.
Freenet is basicly trying to make everyone (except the inserter and the requester, which are difficult to find) be a common carrier (ISPs do caching, so the fact that Freenet caches stuff does not prevent this). Whether that argument will stand up in court is questionable, but this system certainly won't hold up to this defense.
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I can think of lots of uses for this system (ie. other than MP3 and porn). The gaming community in particular could really benefit. I used to run a review site for user-created Half-Life maps called radium. I would have loved to have this around back then. I could have advertised a kast channel people could subscribe to to receive new maps as they came out. Could even push out a file with a link to the accompanying review, or maybe just send the review itself, or maybe just send a few screenshots and a summary and a download link.
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Anyways, I think its a really cool concept. Its been crashing on me a bit though, so hopefully it stabilizes and gains acceptance.
Basically, you click on a link which will subscribe the peer to the channel, and the peer will automatically download/pre-cache any new items that are added to the RSS feed.
You simply have to create an RSS feed and create a link that converts that feed into a channel that is subscribable via the Open Content Network. I've set up an example of a movie trailer RSS feed here And have linked it into the Open Content Network here.
This could be handy for people who can't watch their favorite teams because they don't live where the games are shown on TV. I'd love to have Tottenham games on my hd every Sunday morning. Or various European qualifiers they don't show on TV in the States.
If someone can put Larsson's 2 goals from today somewhere I'd appreciate it too.
From reading several of the comments here, it is obvious that people has no clue, nor even bothered reading about the program.
The connections are encrypted and you can set up your own channels and only give the key to people you trust. You can also easily change the key to each channel in case you suspect a breech in security.
I'm sure we will see a lot of use of this technology, think about it as a continued development of P2P and IRC concepts icnluding privacy and encryption which makes intercepting the transports useless unless you have the necessary keys, else you will have to retort to brute force and that may take awhile.
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