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The Internet and The War

John Jorsett writes "Wired Magazine has an interesting article on the realities of the use of communication and navigation technology in the Iraq war. Particularly intriguing is the use of chat rooms to engage experts thousands of miles away in helping to solve problems at the troop level in the field. And if you think your admin job is tough, try running your servers in 125 degree heat in a sandstorm."

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  1. Soldier Skills. by villain170 · · Score: 4, Insightful


    The military better watch itself -- if they start relying too heavily on technology, soldiers will lose the fundamental skills that make them unique.

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    1. Re:Soldier Skills. by Cipster · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's already happened in my field (medicine). Too many doctors rely on sophisticated lab tests rather than performing a good physical

    2. Re:Soldier Skills. by Timesprout · · Score: 5, Funny

      Na with the automation of weapons and IRC communication it just means the recruiting adds will change their requirements to something like

      Ability to work alone (usually forced)

      Extensive experience in underground bunkers (parents basement is acceptable)

      Ability to type 80 wpm

      Extensive experience with RTS and FPS games

      Childish desire to hit back at society for rejecting your inept social skills by attempting to achieve global domination

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    3. Re:Soldier Skills. by Planesdragon · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The military better watch itself -- if they start relying too heavily on technology, soldiers will lose the fundamental skills that make them unique.

      Yeah, like swordfighting--er...

      I mean, yeah, like how to fire a musket line--no, wait...

      Trenches! Must not forget trenches!

      The history of war is a history of technology progressing, progressing, and progressing. The "war-fighter" (i.e., "solider, salior, marine, or pilot") doesn't have a job of reading maps and following trails--their job is to fight and win.

      Sure, your networked rifle squad could lose its GPS uplink--but that's no different than having your map burnt away from you.

    4. Re:Soldier Skills. by hobbesmaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Isn't that somewhat saying that you don't need guns because you already have bayonets? And when your gun jams, you're going for that bayonet anyway so lets just skip the guns.

      And then centralized command and control; knock that out and theres nobody to control the armies! So lets just throw everyone out there and say "conquer the nation" and it'll all work out!

      More or less the same line of reasoning. I'd expect a squad to react to losing his GPS the same way he'd react to losing their comms or running out of ammunition....

      Anyway, when did using faulty technology stop the military in the past? I seem to recall an absurd rate of duds in USN torpedos during WWII...

  2. Heh, the use of chat rooms... by craenor · · Score: 5, Funny

    A/S/L - 19 iraqi single male, looking for sniper...

  3. In Australia... by more+fool+you · · Score: 5, Funny

    We cook our lunches on the servers. We left a 2U gap so we could also have grills.

    1. Re:In Australia... by fredrikj · · Score: 4, Funny

      We cook our lunches on the servers. We left a 2U gap so we could also have grills.

      Here in Sweden, the extra heat from computers is just about enough to evaporate oxygen. Overclocking is a necessary means of survival during the winters.

  4. Can't be true. by caluml · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Suspect chemical attack, he types into a Microsoft Chat session running on the tactical Internet, the military's battlefield communications system.

    Tell me this isn't true? The US military resort to Microsoft Chat to communicate a possible chemical attack? Surely they'd have some custom chat software with some heavy duty encryption in it?

  5. Military Relies on Microsoft Technology by HidingMyName · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Several things come to mind reading this. For one thing, they appear to be using Microsoft Chat over the internet to communicate reconnaissance information. Whether such communication is secure is something I'd really like the govt. to think about, if not it could be putting soldiers at risk. One thing that is mission critical is tech support, and apparently they have a top tier (premier?) support from Microsoft. I wonder if anybody short of say IBM could offer a competing Open Source (*BSD or Linux) based solution?

  6. BBQ! by The+Bungi · · Score: 4, Funny
    Suspect chemical attack, he types into a Microsoft Chat session running on the tactical Internet, the military's battlefield communications system. Multiple dead sheep by side of road. Pls advise.

    A1 sauce and your tank's exhaust. pls send wingz the commander replies.

  7. Re:OMG by caluml · · Score: 4, Interesting
    every friendly tank, plane, ship, and soldier in the world in real time,

    I think "every" might be a slight exaduration. But seriously, does that extend to allied forces, cos we (British) always seem to take a lot of hits from people allegedly on the same side as us. :o(

    And also, it's all very well having two soldeirs guarding it, but what happens if a missile lands right on top of them. You need them separated by a few miles.

  8. RTFA by (54)T-Dub · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "Welcome to Siprnet," he says. GCCS runs over Siprnet - the Secret Internet Protocol Router Network - in the same way that Web applications run over the public Internet. The difference with "Sipper" is that it's basically a far-flung local area network. To maximize security, it doesn't connect with the Internet proper. But it links Centcom to the battlefield and, among other things, allows Franks to talk to Rumsfeld and President Bush via two-way videoconference every evening.

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    1. Re:RTFA by Svobodin · · Score: 4, Interesting

      On the FBCB2 project, SOP was to "zero" the harddrive using a built-in switch, then smash the screen if compromise was certain. But even if they were to get hold of one, and if the average Iraqi is anywhere near as smart as the average American GI, it'd take him a while to make sense of the damned thing. In that time, we're busy pushing out new comsec to secure any future transmissions.

  9. What the army needs a few good admins... by EdgeShadow · · Score: 5, Funny

    From text of article:

    "If a general has a problem with his Web browser, then I fix it," Cluff says.

    "How do you fix it?" I ask.

    "I consult Microsoft online help," he replies.

  10. Article canot distingush Internet from WAN by whoever57 · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you actually *read* the article, you will see that the reporter talks about (sigh) a "secret Internet" and a "Tactical Internet". What they really mean is a "WAN" (the reporter refers to it as a "far-flung LAN"). It even says that the WAN is NOT connected to the Internet.

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  11. It's true by John+Jorsett · · Score: 5, Insightful

    General speaking, you don't encrypt at the software level, you encrypt the comm links themselves, using NSA-approved hardware. That way, you don't have to worry about it at the application level, and there's no opportunity to build in hidden channels to bypass the encryption.

    1. Re:It's true by John+Jorsett · · Score: 4, Insightful
      There's no point encrypting the links if one end is compromised, or am I missing something?

      Correct. Which is why you have a destruction plan in the event of capture, and procedures to change out the keys if compromise is suspected. Too, you take into account the perishability of the info. You don't need to protect, "I'm at position X," as long as you do, "the identities of our agents are ...," so that factors in to how you handle potential compromises as well.

    2. Re:It's true by Dylan+Zimmerman · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, they DID have contingencies. If the sub was ever boarded, abandoned, or could possibly change hands in any way, the comm oficers were ordered to throw the books describing the Enigma into the water on the floor. These books were printed with a special red ink on pink paper. The ink would disolve as soon as it hit the water.

      Without those books, the Enigma would be completely useless. They contained the schedule describing the first few letters the operators had to type to use the machine for any given day. It was a great system, really. The Enigma was eventually captured, but it took quite some doing.

  12. Get real. by El+Camino+SS · · Score: 5, Insightful


    For one thing, they appear to be using Microsoft Chat over the internet to communicate reconnaissance information. Whether such communication is secure is something I'd really like the govt. to think about, if not it could be putting soldiers at risk.

    You're kidding, right? The DOD created the internet concept to make a more secure network. They have crap to keep things secret that we could only dream of.

    Given that one "internet" concept alone, and the fact that Echelon probably exsists and the US Govt has probably been using it for decades, and that military planes explode in impact specifically to destroy technology... ...then I'd juuust assume that the US Govt would be up on communication secrecy.

    Cmon. Secrecy has been *the* number one asset of the military for centuries. Its not a new concept.

    After all, the Chinese got inside our spyplanes and didn't get jack squat out of it. That should let you know how paranoid we are about our information. So to say, "be careful that is not secure," to the US Military is like saying, "be careful, that stove is hot," to a five star chef.

  13. Change in communication and detractors by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 5, Informative

    There has been alot of press made about the US military's changes in the way it communicates and it's desire to "swarm" on an enemy instead of the old way it and every other army has moved and communicated.

    Basicly since the Romans every conventional army moved like a great set of parallel lines with interconnecting lines between them for communication and supply.

    There has been a layer of abstraction between what the Generals tell the Colonels, what the Colonels tell the Captains, what the Captains tell the Lieutenants and what the Lieutenants tell thier soldiers.

    Since the Revolution the layers of abstraction grew wider and wider.

    By the Second World War, the United States Army had the widest gulf between the commanders and the men at the front of any Army in the European Theatre of Operation.

    By Vietnam it was worse and the Gulf War it came to a head when Schwarzkopf canned a General who refused to advance due to a lack of fuel for his M-1s.

    Now what is happening is remarkably fast adaptation of technology and communications systems for an Army.

    In Afghanistan it was possible for A-Teams on the ground to contact the Pentagon directly and request supplies for themselves or thier allies on the ground and to have those things loaded within hours on C-17s.

    Beyond the chat-rooms and GPS are the data-links between aircraft like the newer F-15s, F-22s, Grippens, Comanche, or data-links between ships, helicopters and patrol aircraft.

    An example of this can be seen in the F-22. The radar of the F-22 has many modes, but one of them is to sit there dark and listen for radar signals, then it sends out pencil thin beams to detect the engines of an aircraft and it compiles a list of possible types from that signature. Using a data-link the detecting F-22 can send back detailed target information and aircraft behind the lead aircraft can launch AIM-120 missiles on a profile to light thier radars only when they get close to the target.

    People have been pooh-pooing this revolution in communication and sensors in the press, but I think there is an assumption of rapid technology adpotion in the private sector that just doesn't happen in the military, but as militaries go the United States is adopting at a revolutionary rate.

    1. Re:Change in communication and detractors by brer_rabbit · · Score: 4, Funny
      In Afghanistan it was possible for A-Teams on the ground...

      On the ground? Well duh! How many times do we have to hear, "I ain't gettin' on no plane with that crazy fool!"

  14. DON'T by GC · · Score: 5, Funny

    MENTION THE WAR...

    [John Cleese, Faulty Towers]

  15. Colonel!!!! Error message!!!! by macshune · · Score: 4, Funny

    Private : Colonel! It says, "MSN Messenger down for maintenance. Please try again in 15 minutes"

    Colonel : Shit, boy! We're gonna get gassed 'cause Billy didn't change the oil up in Redmond! Sheeeit.

    Private : Do you want me to bring out the pigeons?

    Colonel [lights cigarette]:Fuck it. Send an e-mail to command that says, "possible chemical attack underway. pls advise."

    Private :Sir! XP just had to install an update. I need to reboot! ...Sir? Sir???

    [Colonel breaks M-16 over leg]

    Thankfully, a giant penguin dropped down from the sky with reliable software, just before it was too late.

  16. Embedded... by cruppel · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The news ruined the word "embedded" for me...Embedded reporters watching soldiers fight, take a piss, talk about this war like it had been going on for even two months, watching them do whatever...I will always hear that word from now on and think of soldiers doing mundane things.

    As for them using "Microsoft Chat" or whatever they called it, that's just plain irresponsible. If people have trouble using computers for simple email every day then why on God's (sandy) earth do they think those same technologies will hold up in much more mission-critical military conditions?

  17. Clippy sez... by commodoresloat · · Score: 4, Funny

    It looks like you're communicating news of a WMD emergency. Would you like help?

    __ Get help with emergency

    __ Continue with emergency without help

    __ Howl in agony and clutch at face as it melts grotesquely into the desert sand

  18. critical soldier skills by The+Tyro · · Score: 4, Insightful

    like cleaning everything... constantly... endlessly.

    Most people who have never deployed to that region of the world don't realize that it's not sandy... it's dusty. The soil (or what passes for soil) is this lightweight, fine, adherent brown dust... that dust got into damned near everything, even closed pelican cases (don't ask me how).

    It wreaked havoc on our COMM and Systems guys; they were constantly cleaning their boxen, from the servers, right on down to the Dell laptops we were using.

    Even in my field (medical), we were constantly cleaing and mopping out our Operating Room (in a tent, naturally).. you could NEVER get ahead of the dust. This drove my surgeon colleagues nuts... you could pretty much count on a higher complication rate with an environment like that. When the sandstorms would roll in, forget about it.

    A bunch of us ran our own private LAN between a bunch of tents; honing our 31337 CounterStrike 5killz (I tell ya, those terrorists were in deep trouble if they tried to take us on... our M4 and AWP skills would have devastated those Al-Queda noobs... ) Fortunately, our hardware was not as mission-essential as the systems/COMM types... we could afford the occasional crash (though it did hurt to lose your sweet kill ratio).

    Demanding environment, alright... it's amazing our stuff worked as well as it did.

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  19. Re:How many MS licenses did our military buy? by commodoresloat · · Score: 4, Informative

    There are more pressing military waste issues than M$ licensing to worry about, like the one trillion missing USD that they simply can't explain. ("Sorry, Senator, I must have left it in my other pants.")

  20. Technology changes other fields as well by John3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The challenge is to integrate the technology without reducing the skills that make the particular occupation unique. I own a hardware store and we've embraced all sorts of inventory, POS, web, wireless and communication technology. However, we still need to be able to manually examine a rusted ballcock that a customer yanked out of their toilet and hook them up with the proper replacement parts.

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  21. War is cool and doesn't cause any harm! by MavEtJu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "What's funny about using Microsoft Chat," he adds with a sly smile, "is that everybody has to choosean icon to represent themselves. Some of these guys haven't bothered, so the program assigns them one. We'll be in the middle of a battle and a bunch of field artillery colonels will come online in the form of these big-breasted blondes. We've got a few space aliens, too."

    This is exactly what I fear, that going to war is fun and not causing any harm to whoever is in it. First the US television stations didn't want to show the pictures of their own casualties, now this is added.

    War is cool, war is fun and it doesn't cause any harm[*]!

    [*] no pictures of harmed people by our own actions will be shown.

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  22. Using chat rooms to connect soldiers to experts? by cje · · Score: 5, Funny

    *** soldier (jimbo@army.iq) has joined channel #help
    *** techie (whizkid@pentagon.mil) has joined channel #help
    <soldier> hey, anybody know how to get sand out of a gatling gun?
    <techie> Sure thing. let me look it up for you. brb
    <soldier> thanks
    *** katie (luvkitties@ipt.aol.com) has joined channel #help
    <katie> hay all!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    <soldier> ...
    <katie> hi solder ASL??
    <techie> Approximately when did you get the sand in the gatling gun?
    <katie> huh??
    <soldier> about 15 minutes ago.
    <techie> okay, brb
    <katie> techie what r u talking about!!
    *** jenny (nsync_rulz@msn.com) has joined channel #help
    <katie> hi jenny how r u ltns!!!!!!! lol
    <jenny> K8E!!!! kisskiss
    <soldier> ...
    <techie> How much sand would you say is inside the gatling gun?
    <jenny> wtf lol
    <soldier> well, there's quite a bit. it's draining out like an hourglass.
    <jenny> hour glass??
    <katie> jenny geuss what, taylor told lisa today that he want's me 2 invite him 2 the dance on saturday
    <jenny> omfg LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
    <jenny> wat did u say? did u say anything 2 him?
    <techie> The sand is draining out of the Gatling gun like an hourglass?
    <soldier> pretty much, yes.
    <katie> heehehe!! well i went up 2 him and said hi and then he bought me a bottle of mt dew code red!! LOL
    <techie> I see. have you tried shaking it vigorously?
    <katie> techie wtf would i shake it vigorusly, it would fizz over and explode
    *** techie rolls eyes
    <techie> soldier: Have you tried shaking the gatling gun vigorously?
    <soldier> no. brb
    *** taylor (linkinparkfan@earthlink.net) has joined channel #help
    <jenny> OMFG
    <katie> OMFG
    <soldier> OMFG
    <soldier> the damn thing just went off and took out the cook and the chaplain
    <katie> hi taylor, how r u????
    <techie> I see. Recommend you replace gatling gun immediately.
    <taylor> hi katie
    <soldier> roger
    *** soldier has left channel #help
    <taylor> jenny, how r u? r u busy saturday night?
    <katie> f u jenny
    *** katie has left channel #help

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