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The Internet and The War

John Jorsett writes "Wired Magazine has an interesting article on the realities of the use of communication and navigation technology in the Iraq war. Particularly intriguing is the use of chat rooms to engage experts thousands of miles away in helping to solve problems at the troop level in the field. And if you think your admin job is tough, try running your servers in 125 degree heat in a sandstorm."

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  1. Heh, the use of chat rooms... by craenor · · Score: 5, Funny

    A/S/L - 19 iraqi single male, looking for sniper...

  2. In Australia... by more+fool+you · · Score: 5, Funny

    We cook our lunches on the servers. We left a 2U gap so we could also have grills.

  3. What the army needs a few good admins... by EdgeShadow · · Score: 5, Funny

    From text of article:

    "If a general has a problem with his Web browser, then I fix it," Cluff says.

    "How do you fix it?" I ask.

    "I consult Microsoft online help," he replies.

  4. Re:Soldier Skills. by Cipster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's already happened in my field (medicine). Too many doctors rely on sophisticated lab tests rather than performing a good physical

  5. Article canot distingush Internet from WAN by whoever57 · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you actually *read* the article, you will see that the reporter talks about (sigh) a "secret Internet" and a "Tactical Internet". What they really mean is a "WAN" (the reporter refers to it as a "far-flung LAN"). It even says that the WAN is NOT connected to the Internet.

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  6. It's true by John+Jorsett · · Score: 5, Insightful

    General speaking, you don't encrypt at the software level, you encrypt the comm links themselves, using NSA-approved hardware. That way, you don't have to worry about it at the application level, and there's no opportunity to build in hidden channels to bypass the encryption.

    1. Re:It's true by Dylan+Zimmerman · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, they DID have contingencies. If the sub was ever boarded, abandoned, or could possibly change hands in any way, the comm oficers were ordered to throw the books describing the Enigma into the water on the floor. These books were printed with a special red ink on pink paper. The ink would disolve as soon as it hit the water.

      Without those books, the Enigma would be completely useless. They contained the schedule describing the first few letters the operators had to type to use the machine for any given day. It was a great system, really. The Enigma was eventually captured, but it took quite some doing.

  7. Get real. by El+Camino+SS · · Score: 5, Insightful


    For one thing, they appear to be using Microsoft Chat over the internet to communicate reconnaissance information. Whether such communication is secure is something I'd really like the govt. to think about, if not it could be putting soldiers at risk.

    You're kidding, right? The DOD created the internet concept to make a more secure network. They have crap to keep things secret that we could only dream of.

    Given that one "internet" concept alone, and the fact that Echelon probably exsists and the US Govt has probably been using it for decades, and that military planes explode in impact specifically to destroy technology... ...then I'd juuust assume that the US Govt would be up on communication secrecy.

    Cmon. Secrecy has been *the* number one asset of the military for centuries. Its not a new concept.

    After all, the Chinese got inside our spyplanes and didn't get jack squat out of it. That should let you know how paranoid we are about our information. So to say, "be careful that is not secure," to the US Military is like saying, "be careful, that stove is hot," to a five star chef.

  8. Re:Soldier Skills. by Timesprout · · Score: 5, Funny

    Na with the automation of weapons and IRC communication it just means the recruiting adds will change their requirements to something like

    Ability to work alone (usually forced)

    Extensive experience in underground bunkers (parents basement is acceptable)

    Ability to type 80 wpm

    Extensive experience with RTS and FPS games

    Childish desire to hit back at society for rejecting your inept social skills by attempting to achieve global domination

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  9. Change in communication and detractors by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 5, Informative

    There has been alot of press made about the US military's changes in the way it communicates and it's desire to "swarm" on an enemy instead of the old way it and every other army has moved and communicated.

    Basicly since the Romans every conventional army moved like a great set of parallel lines with interconnecting lines between them for communication and supply.

    There has been a layer of abstraction between what the Generals tell the Colonels, what the Colonels tell the Captains, what the Captains tell the Lieutenants and what the Lieutenants tell thier soldiers.

    Since the Revolution the layers of abstraction grew wider and wider.

    By the Second World War, the United States Army had the widest gulf between the commanders and the men at the front of any Army in the European Theatre of Operation.

    By Vietnam it was worse and the Gulf War it came to a head when Schwarzkopf canned a General who refused to advance due to a lack of fuel for his M-1s.

    Now what is happening is remarkably fast adaptation of technology and communications systems for an Army.

    In Afghanistan it was possible for A-Teams on the ground to contact the Pentagon directly and request supplies for themselves or thier allies on the ground and to have those things loaded within hours on C-17s.

    Beyond the chat-rooms and GPS are the data-links between aircraft like the newer F-15s, F-22s, Grippens, Comanche, or data-links between ships, helicopters and patrol aircraft.

    An example of this can be seen in the F-22. The radar of the F-22 has many modes, but one of them is to sit there dark and listen for radar signals, then it sends out pencil thin beams to detect the engines of an aircraft and it compiles a list of possible types from that signature. Using a data-link the detecting F-22 can send back detailed target information and aircraft behind the lead aircraft can launch AIM-120 missiles on a profile to light thier radars only when they get close to the target.

    People have been pooh-pooing this revolution in communication and sensors in the press, but I think there is an assumption of rapid technology adpotion in the private sector that just doesn't happen in the military, but as militaries go the United States is adopting at a revolutionary rate.

  10. DON'T by GC · · Score: 5, Funny

    MENTION THE WAR...

    [John Cleese, Faulty Towers]

  11. Re:Soldier Skills. by Planesdragon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The military better watch itself -- if they start relying too heavily on technology, soldiers will lose the fundamental skills that make them unique.

    Yeah, like swordfighting--er...

    I mean, yeah, like how to fire a musket line--no, wait...

    Trenches! Must not forget trenches!

    The history of war is a history of technology progressing, progressing, and progressing. The "war-fighter" (i.e., "solider, salior, marine, or pilot") doesn't have a job of reading maps and following trails--their job is to fight and win.

    Sure, your networked rifle squad could lose its GPS uplink--but that's no different than having your map burnt away from you.

  12. Using chat rooms to connect soldiers to experts? by cje · · Score: 5, Funny

    *** soldier (jimbo@army.iq) has joined channel #help
    *** techie (whizkid@pentagon.mil) has joined channel #help
    <soldier> hey, anybody know how to get sand out of a gatling gun?
    <techie> Sure thing. let me look it up for you. brb
    <soldier> thanks
    *** katie (luvkitties@ipt.aol.com) has joined channel #help
    <katie> hay all!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    <soldier> ...
    <katie> hi solder ASL??
    <techie> Approximately when did you get the sand in the gatling gun?
    <katie> huh??
    <soldier> about 15 minutes ago.
    <techie> okay, brb
    <katie> techie what r u talking about!!
    *** jenny (nsync_rulz@msn.com) has joined channel #help
    <katie> hi jenny how r u ltns!!!!!!! lol
    <jenny> K8E!!!! kisskiss
    <soldier> ...
    <techie> How much sand would you say is inside the gatling gun?
    <jenny> wtf lol
    <soldier> well, there's quite a bit. it's draining out like an hourglass.
    <jenny> hour glass??
    <katie> jenny geuss what, taylor told lisa today that he want's me 2 invite him 2 the dance on saturday
    <jenny> omfg LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
    <jenny> wat did u say? did u say anything 2 him?
    <techie> The sand is draining out of the Gatling gun like an hourglass?
    <soldier> pretty much, yes.
    <katie> heehehe!! well i went up 2 him and said hi and then he bought me a bottle of mt dew code red!! LOL
    <techie> I see. have you tried shaking it vigorously?
    <katie> techie wtf would i shake it vigorusly, it would fizz over and explode
    *** techie rolls eyes
    <techie> soldier: Have you tried shaking the gatling gun vigorously?
    <soldier> no. brb
    *** taylor (linkinparkfan@earthlink.net) has joined channel #help
    <jenny> OMFG
    <katie> OMFG
    <soldier> OMFG
    <soldier> the damn thing just went off and took out the cook and the chaplain
    <katie> hi taylor, how r u????
    <techie> I see. Recommend you replace gatling gun immediately.
    <taylor> hi katie
    <soldier> roger
    *** soldier has left channel #help
    <taylor> jenny, how r u? r u busy saturday night?
    <katie> f u jenny
    *** katie has left channel #help

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