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Slashback: Rendering, Munich, Clones

Slashback tonight with a passel of updates, corrections and tangents related to recent Slashdot postings, including GNU/Linux vs. Windows in Munich, Bunnie Huang's book on Xbox hacking, Mozilla's 5-line crash-test, and (sigh) yet another SCO note, but at least it's one to smile at. Read on for the details.

How to impress users. chjones writes "The bug that crashes Mozilla with simple HTML has been fixed in the latest nightly build. This was previously mentioned in a Slashback in response to a similar bug in Internet Explorer. No nightly build of IE appears to be available."

Quiet but sterile, or silent and deadly? JerryKnight writes "With the wider availability of TouchStream keyboards, such as at ThinkGeek, I wonder if these great devices are used by anyone else besides me. Since the last story over a year ago, Fingerworks has made quite a few improvements, such as many firmware upgrades and the (currently still Beta) Gesture Editor. Does anyone else find the gesture/mouse benefits to outweigh the headache of learning zero-force typing?"

Would you like to play a game? bigattichouse writes "When I read the piece on using gaming to keep your brain moving, it reminded me of several articles on coders needing 'ramp-up' time to get into coding. I put together a small freeware game PortaLogica as a preliminary attempt to create a game that would help stimulate coding-related-thought. The game is played using schematic logic gates, and trying to get inputs to match outputs. I'd love to flesh it out a bit more (like writing a KDE or Gnome version)..."

Offically official. Alexander Schatten writes "Although Steve Ballmer interrupted his holiday to try to change the decision of the Munich politicians, after some weeks of discussion Munich decided today to change all 14.000 PCs, Notebooks to Linux. Servers as well as Clients!

One of the main reasons was to avoid a too close binding to specific vendors. A wise decision, one will confirm, especially as Munich is one of the biggest cities in Germany and might be an example for other cities. For more details see: SuSE or heise.de (both in German)"

Buy it while it's legal. An anonymous reader writes "Remember Bunnie Huang? He's the MIT student who first hacked the Xbox. He wrote a book that was supposed to be published by a well-known publisher, but the publisher chickened out, afraid of Microsoft's wrath. Bunnie isn't so scared, however. He's publishing the book himself. The book, "Hacking the Xbox," can be purchased from his website. I just saw Bunnie on TechTV, and he's offering a 20 percent discount to TechTV viewers (Scroll to bottom of article to see the coupon code)."

The famous Finnish art of the insult. scotch51 writes "I followed the links to the Raelians website on Friday after ./ reported Linus Torvalds comparing the amazing SCO lawsuit to the Raelians claims of amazing (bio)technological achievements. Today, wanting to show a friend the Raelians rather pretty twist on the Star of David for their own logo, I see that all pages I'd visited yesterday report blank. "Reveal codes" on every page I visited yesterday reveals only: html body /body /html. Guess that's one way to deal with being slashdotted, or were they perhaps hacked?"

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  1. wget -r http://www.sco.com/ (FP) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's time for sco to feel the PAIN!

    1. Re:wget -r http://www.sco.com/ (FP) by Phleg · · Score: 4, Funny

      This is silly and sophomoric. You should be ashamed.

      I mean, for god's sakes you forgot the recycling for loop.

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  2. Not an admin ? by IanBevan · · Score: 4, Funny
    No nightly build of IE appears to be available

    Only the near-daily security updates.

    1. Re:Not an admin ? by pla · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah, but who needs their virus scanner broken because of a web browser fix? ;-)


      (Note to the humor impaired - I realize the Symantec problem with the newest XP patch has nothing to do with virus scanning. Joke, meet Slashbots; Slashbots, meet joke. Joke != troll, even for very weak values of "joke").

  3. Munich by Gortbusters.org · · Score: 4, Interesting

    No suprise they choose SuSE... SuSE just dominates the market place over there with Mandrake coming in second. Alas, RedHat is largely US based.

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    1. Re:Munich by captain_craptacular · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, buying locally is a terrible idea. We would all be much better of if everyone mail-ordered everything from Taiwan. Money wants to be free and LOVES to travel!

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    2. Re:Munich by daserver · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When I visited Cebit this year in Germany the only linux distro that you would hear about was Suse, which makes sense since Suse is a german company.

    3. Re:Munich by dJCL · · Score: 5, Informative

      Bit it is not jingoism, the reports out there state that they had a scoring system, max 10000 and linux got mid 6K area, windows got lower 5K area, so by thier testing and other procedures, they determined that linux would be the best option for them... This is how every company would love to do it, make a true decision based on business needs. and if they did, some would go MS, some would go Linux, but more people would be happy.

      Enjoy.

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  4. Not quite a true victory in munich by Bold+Marauder · · Score: 5, Interesting

    While I'm glad to see M$ go down and lose revenue just as much as anyone else, I really feel that we should be more focused on corporate adaptation of Linux in Germany, instead of trying to win the GNU/M$ battle through government intervention.

    1. Re:Not quite a true victory in munich by birdman666 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Governments are basically corporations nowadays anyway, at least they're being run like them. And if the government can run on something other than Microsoft, other corporations may take notice and give it a shot.

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    2. Re:Not quite a true victory in munich by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      To get corporations to adopt it, you need to make one of the biggest customers use it. If the government is using Linux with say OpenOffice and they will only deal with companies whose files they can read, well, the companies will either switch to OO or make sure that OO can read their documents.

    3. Re:Not quite a true victory in munich by Jason+Earl · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually government adoption of Free Software makes a lot of sense. After all, the German government gets to tax the consultants that set up and customize their Linux systems, while licensing fees end up in the U.S. For government entities building the local economy is an important consideration. You don't build the local economy by sending millions to Redmond Washington (unless, of course, you live in Redmond).

      Also, governments are really the only entity that can mandate document formats. It doesn't matter how big your company is, if the government wants their information in OpenOffice format you don't send them an MS Word document.

      Most importantly, however, is the fact that a lot of the really large computer installations (where Linux has a definite advantage) are government owned. For small businesses Linux steeper learning curve works against it. In large organizations the openness, flexibility, and scriptability of Linux make it very cost effective to administer.

    4. Re:Not quite a true victory in munich by afidel · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well since here in the US MS has been going after state and local governments left and right for liscensing violation, costing taxpayers money both in fines for any technical violations found (it's hard to keep 100% in compliance even if you are putting in the effort, MS liscensing is almost one hundred pages of legalese) and for the time it takes to perform the audit I think it makes sense to switch. Besides the US government is the largest customer of MS so any pressure they could put on MS might bring about real change.

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    5. Re:Not quite a true victory in munich by Miguel+de+Icaza · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Linux on the enterprise (and government) desktop has only just begun.It is therefore difficult to see the trend if you are unaware what the big conversion projects are doing. In this multi-billion contract with the German government IBM will not only be converting all their desktops to SUSE-Linux but they are also charged with developing all the applications necessary, porting many internal office applications based on M$ access, eXcel, VB, SQLserver to KDE/java/MySQL/DB2 (Maybe the German government has come to the KDE teams rescue with much needed cash injection just in time!). This is why many others are sitting on the fence, they say "Oh, great, it has started, let's get in line to be at the counter when the goods are becoming available".

      It took the PC about 15 years to take the entreprise.Things like that don't happen overnight. But there is always a point when the critical mass has been reached and from that point on the trend cannot be stopped anymore. Linux is well positioned to reach that critical mass within a few years if ibm/Suse/kde continue to follow their roadmaps as they have done so far.

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    6. Re:Not quite a true victory in munich by berzerke · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ...People in corporations get FIRED if they sit around all day and do nothing.



      Obviously you've never worked at a company where the department managers are son-in-laws of the company president, the office manager is black-mailing the company president (I don't know over what), and racism is rampant.

    7. Re:Not quite a true victory in munich by Alsee · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Governments are basically corporations nowadays anyway

      And Microsoft is basically a government nowadays anyway.

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    8. Re:Not quite a true victory in munich by frozenray · · Score: 2, Informative

      > You don't build the local economy by sending millions to Redmond Washington

      Unfortunately, not all city governments in Germany think that way. The city of Frankfurt just signed a major contract with Microsoft, according to this news report from German c't magazine. Oh well, you win some, you lose some - but the decision made by the Munich authorities is a landmark case which gets much more publicity worldwide.

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    9. Re:Not quite a true victory in munich by Jason+Earl · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The good news is that Linux doesn't need to win all the battles. In fact, with Microsoft's overwhelming market share we don't hardly need to win any to gain ground.

      Microsoft, on the other hand, has to maintain revenue growth if they are going to keep their investors happy. They can't afford to lose any customers, and they either have to actually gain customers, or they have to charge existing customers less. When the economy recovers and it becomes clear that Microsoft is not going to recover along with it then investors will finally see the light and Microsoft's price/earnings ratio will fall from its present near 30 level to much closer to 10. When it becomes clear that Microsoft is vulnerable to Linux then the fun will really begin.

      Right now CIOs believe that Microsoft is invincible. Disabuse them of that belief and Linux Total World Domination is inevitable.

  5. OOK! by sulli · · Score: 3, Funny

    Quit linking to bugzilla, you insensitive clod!

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  6. Anyone else remember this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... the Raelians rather pretty twist on the Star of David for their own logo ...

    IIRC, the Raelians' symbol used to be a Star of David with a Swastika inside. They changed it a few years ago to the swirly thing. Anyone else remember this?

    1. Re:Anyone else remember this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah I remember that, there's some info on it here.

      Incidentally, the swastika used to be (still is I guess) a symbol of strength and good luck. More info on that here.

      Offtopic I guess, but interesting.

    2. Re:Anyone else remember this? by catsidhe · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I actually own a copy of Let's Welcome Our Fathers from Space, which has the original star-of-david/swastika logo on the front cover.

      There is a section in the introduction trying to justify this (IIRC, he claimed that both were solar symbols, and the swastika was just another symbol before Herr Hitler anyway, and everyone used it, and...) He is right in the technical sense, about the fylfot and its solar symbolism and ubiquity, but the German National Socialists have ruined it for everyone for quite a long time to come.

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  7. SCOM by Omega1045 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I heard SCO is adding an "M" their name to make it SCOM. This will make it more closely resemble SCUM.

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    1. Re:SCOM by bakes · · Score: 3, Funny

      I heard SCO is adding an "M" their name to make it SCOM. This will make it more closely resemble SCUM

      Conveniently, it also closely resembles "SCAM".

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  8. Steve Jobs NOT a Raelian by JamMasterJGorilla · · Score: 3, Funny

    I was looking at the Raelians' website after the Linus story then, after leaving the site my Safari browser unexpectly quit.
    Could the Raelians have some secret plan to use a buffer overflow to exploit my computer to attack their critics?
    The i began to think, is the Steve Jobs religion just to incompatible with the Raelians? I mean, who needs two god like icons. Steve in his black atire could be the Anti-Raelian, afterall why would he let anyone clone Steve?

  9. I understand oh great one by djupedal · · Score: 4, Funny

    must....render....munich....clones

  10. Re:SCO lawsuit by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 3, Funny

    SCO has MUCH case law on their side, which I will not cite

    Gee, there's something new

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  11. the pain of input devices by lingqi · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Does anyone else find the gesture/mouse benefits to outweigh the headache of learning zero-force typing?

    no, I feel the pain for the over 300 dollars deficit in my wallet for such a keyboard.

    Seriously though - I would LOVE to try one, but affordability is definitely not one of its good traits. Anybody knows a place where you can rent one for a week? in japan, possibly?

    otoh, while not having had any touchstream experience, I can speak from the perspective of a dvorak user - which is the pain of having to resort back to qwerty anywhere else. Not so much a problem for me now, but if you work in IT and needs to troubleshoot people's computers - forget it. (I read stuff like "after you learn dvorak you can revert back to qwerty and be fluent in both" which I am finding out is total bullshit - as much as I like the dvorak layout - switching to qwerty on the fly is not easy)

    Not to mention in places such as BIOS and the such, you don't even have the OPTION to configure a dvorak keyboard...

    Similar things I predict for touchstream users - you will go to another computer and wave your hand jedi-like and nothing happens and it will cause a ton of frustration. Heck, just imagine going between work and home. Having big trouble affording one, No way in a billion years I can afford two... I will wait for neurological interfaces instead - well, if we are not already batteries / control modules inside the matrix already.

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    1. Re:the pain of input devices by phraktyl · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I used a dvorak layout for about a week, and was starting to get decent at it, and then tried to edit something in vi. Have you ever tried to move around using H, J, K and L in a dvorak layout?!

      It was either dvorak or vi, and vi won by a landslide.

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    2. Re:the pain of input devices by Whyrph · · Score: 2, Informative

      Why would BIOS even care? It's not like the signal for 'A' from a Dvorak keyboard should be different from another keyboard.


      Most people use software translation so they don't have to buy a real Dvorak keyboard, myself included. It's just easier that way.

    3. Re:the pain of input devices by Gregg+Williams · · Score: 2, Informative

      I have a TouchStream keyboard in front of me right now, and it's an integral part of my computer. I have extreme tendinitis in both hands, and a variety of adaptive technologies make it possible for me to use a computer on a daily basis. For dictating English sentences, nothing beats Dragon NaturallySpeaking. However, it's very tedious to use voice-recognition software for the occasional keystroke or for non-English character sequences (Java, anyone?). This is where the TouchStream keyboard is a godsend--I can't see touch-typing with it, but it is a keyboard that I can use (in moderation) without hurting my hands. Also, the ability to use the keyboard's surface as a touchpad to move the mouse is also very helpful.

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    4. Re:the pain of input devices by Phs2501 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Probably the best thing to do is simply remap the vi commands to the Dvorak keys in their old QUERTY positions. You will have to remember the vi commands by position instead of letter, but if you've been using vi on QUERTY for any length of time that's how you do it now. That way the old "hjkl" commands will be on dvorak "dhtn" and you will be a happy Dvorak vi user.

      I'm sure I've seen vim scripts that do exactly this. Try searching for "dvorak vim".

  12. Re:Why oh why? by Derek · · Score: 2, Interesting

    No stock, but one of my best T-shirts was a "Caldera" T-shirt. I'll miss it....

    -Derek

  13. Do not /. Bugzilla... by $$$$$exyGal · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here's the Bugzilla text:
    ===

    User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4a) Gecko/20030401
    Build Identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4a) Gecko/20030401

    Even though the given testcase might be an abusive use of CSS and as of that to
    be considered invalid html the browser crashes on loading this page.

    Reproducible: Always

    Steps to Reproduce:
    1. load the testcase

    Actual Results:
    crash

    Expected Results:
    rendered the page - at least somehow ;)

    <html>
    <body>
    <fieldset style="position:fixed;">
    <legend class="bblack14">Crash test</legend>
    hello world content
    </fieldset>
    </body>
    </html>

    ==
    The bug is fixed in the nightly build.

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    1. Re:Do not /. Bugzilla... by dcmeserve · · Score: 3, Funny
      Do not /. Bugzilla.

      Do not taunt Bugzilla.

      Do not use Bugzilla on concrete.

      Bugzilla may stick to certain types of skin.

      Caution: Bugzilla may suddenly accelerate to dangerous speeds.

      Warning: Pregnant women, the elderly, and children should avoid prolonged exposure to Bugzilla.

      Discontinue use of Bugzilla if any of the following occurs:

      * Itching

      * Vertigo

      * Dizziness

      * Tingling in extremities

      * Loss of balance or coordination

      * Slurred speech

      * Temporary blindness

      * Profuse Sweating

      or

      * Heart palpitations

      Bugzilla comes with a lifetime guarantee.

      Bugzilla! Accept no substitutes!

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  14. Re:SCO lawsuit by htm3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    hmmm... last time i checked, "all the available documentation" did not include any actual evidence (unless you are now under a sco nda?). all the information you could possibly obtain from novell couldn't help you there... it seems a bit strange that you could arrive at such a conclusion without knowing what sco's "proof" is, no matter how good a lawyer you may be. then again i am no lawyer, so what do i know? - cheers!

  15. Re:Zero-force typing? by realdpk · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hey Radon28, what's your password?
    <radon28> *thinks about password for a split second, decides against sharing*
    <dpk> N/m, thanks!

  16. Fingerworks LP ZeroForce Keyboard... by GNU_Suit · · Score: 3, Informative

    is incredible. I recently bought one (DVORAK no less) and it's made interacting with my computer a lot more productive.

    Also, I don't buy the story about difficulty in going between QWERTY and DVORAK as I do it each day between my home machines and the one I use at work. If there was a problem, it's not that expensive to buy two ($300... for good hardware, it's not a bad price!).

    If anyone who reports to me preferred a non-QWERTY keyboard, I'd be happy to purchase one for him/her to use. It's very much akin to someone who is left handed wanting lefty scissors.

  17. Mozilla bug fixed and apples and oranges by RhettLivingston · · Score: 3, Insightful

    To compare the release of a fix for a Mozilla bug in a nightly build of the development trunk to the release of an Explorer patch is an apples and oranges comparison at the least. Post the story when the Mozilla bug fix has been run through a complete test cycle and appears in a stable release. Put another way, if Mozilla had a system designed to drive the fix out to every user including the secretaries and the grandmothers in the nursing home (maybe it has, I don't know), you might have a story if they drove their fix out before Microsoft drives theirs out. To know whether the comparison made today means anything, you'd have to know whether Microsoft has fixed this in their internal nightly builds.

    1. Re:Mozilla bug fixed and apples and oranges by foandd · · Score: 3, Informative
      To know whether the comparison made today means anything, you'd have to know whether Microsoft has fixed this in their internal nightly builds.

      No you wouldn't.

      As a matter of fact, you just showed yourself why the comparison means something. We all know the bug has been fixed in Mozilla. We can all get a version of Mozilla in which this bug has been fixed. We all know there will be "official" releases of browsers coming (Netscape et al) which will not have this bug.

      We don't have any clue as to the status of the IE bug. The only one of these things we know about IE is whether or not we can get a fixed version today, and the answer to that is no.

      You may think these things are meaningless, but that would be more an indication of your unwillingness to face reality than anything else.

    2. Re:Mozilla bug fixed and apples and oranges by RodgerDodger · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not so; the availability of the nightly build means that if someone really requires this functionality, then they can get it now (albeit at the cost of losing support). Try that for IE.

      While I don't bother using nightly builds of Mozilla, I have used nightly builds of other open-source products to get around bugs that would otherwise have been showstoppers. It's very useful when needed.

      Of course, why someone would need the crash bug fixed is an interesting question. But imagine if the next email virus included the crash HTML?

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    3. Re:Mozilla bug fixed and apples and oranges by MikeFM · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Is this why Microsoft yanked their newest XP patch back after it started screwing things up? Really on such a simple fix as this it's pretty easy to test if it stops the problem. Load the code in question into a non-patched Mozilla.. oops crashes. Load the code into a patched Mozilla.. yeh it doesn't crash. Pretty good chance things are working nice. Problems occur more when you wait and package lots of small fixes into a single patch. The more you change at once the more likely you'll break something. Every nights builds of Mozilla get tested by thousands of users on all sorts of different platforms and configurations. No commercial product can manage that.

      There is something to saying that a nightly build is not the same as a fix in the stable branch but often such fixes are backported and distributed to end users (via their distro) so that the users don't have to use unstable builds or wait for the next stable version.

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  18. Re:Zero-force typing? by Mononoke · · Score: 4, Funny
    So, what, that means I just have to think about it and the letters appear?
    Zero-Force that is not. The Force that is, young one.

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  19. porta logica ? Logic games by innocent_white_lamb · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Want logic games?

    Try some of the games in Mame (also available for Linux/Unix) such as: Boxy Boy, Chicken Shift, Logic Pro, Logic Pro 2, Phozon, Pushman, and Wise Guy.

    Some of these can are real real brain-busters.

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  20. Succomb To The Hype While It's Legal by istartedi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Last time I heard, TechTV is owned in part by Paul Allen. Is it just possible that this whole brewhaha is nothing more than a charade designed to get us to say "X-box" all the time? Oh no... it's working. No thanks. I'll keep my $24.99-20%+shipping and spend it on beer or something.

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  21. Raelians slashdotted? by vladkrupin · · Score: 3, Funny

    No, they just moved the servers to the outer space and what you saw was a glitch during the transition.

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  22. Alas RedHat indeed. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Alas, RedHat is largely US based.

    Alas, Redhat indeed.

    As far as I'm concerned RedHat is not ready for prime time - and WON'T be until:

    1) Their prepaid included-with-the-expensive-box support continues until your first install is up on the net or LAN (and preferably with a built-from-source kernel), rather than stopping when you first get a login screen.

    2) Their quickstart manual includes a clear description (accessable to neophytes - and keystroke-by-keystroke again) of both
    * how to install the system (Of particular interest as of 6.x: Tell 'em how to make sane choices for the size of the partitions.) and
    * how to obtain and install security upgrades.

    3) Their install documentation includes a step-by-step, keystroke-by-kestroke recipe for going:
    * from a blank computer and their CDROMs,
    * through an intermediate system installed from the CDROM image
    * To the SAME system but with the kernel built from the supplied sources.

    4) Their in-depth manual includes a section giving a COMPLETE list of the configuration files twiddled by each of the functions of each of the graphic-interface admin tools. (And don't tell me to read the source or look it up on the net. You're a packager. Package it already.)

    5) Their quickstart manual tells me how to adjust the screen parameters. (And DON'T tell me to go figure out X. Give a recipe.)

    C'mon, guys! Get a tech writer and assign him/her the task with 2), 3), 4), and 5) as the goals.

    (And while we're at it, the Gnome and/or KDE crews really ought to do a desktop tool, on the model of Apples', for tuning the screen, and RedHat should have it in the default menus.)

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    1. Re:Alas RedHat indeed. by MikeFM · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Just to be argumenative I'll say that the main problem with RedHat (and Linux) recently is the effort to dumb it down for the folks out there who can't do anything but run Minesweeper on their XP box.

      Linux should not be Windows or MacOS. If users want a dumbed down OS let them use Windows or MacOS. At most let them use a retarded distro like Lindows. Playing copycat you can never be the best. KDE and Gnome have both driven me away as a user as they have become more bloated and dumbed down.

      The same with support. Once the machine is booted to your desktop you have what you paid for. That support is more than what you'll get from Microsoft. If you want more then pay for it or learn to use the community support Linux offers. Linux is a community as much as software. You have to accept both to appreciate either.

      Installing is about as easy as to keep pressing 'next' so I don't really know what more you need help with. Again I find it easier than the Windows install or the last MacOS I installed (ver 9).

      Keystroke by keystroke guides suck because few computers are likely to be the same. People will need to learn to think a little bit if they want their computer to work well for them. This is especially true when it comes to compiling software.

      Your fourth demand is actually reasonable I think. Maybe don't give a full guide to all configuration files but a quick overview of what the files are would be a nice touch. The only obvious problem with this is that there is no way a newbie will comprehend even the descriptions of these files. It'd be confusing to them.

      In Linux you seldom need to adjust your screen parameters. Maybe they need to add a note about CTRL-ALT-+ so that users will know how to shift between the available settings easily. There is really no need to tweak X settings directly as a user.

      I would like to see RedHat include Ximian's Red Carpet in their default installs. I think it would make it easier for users to learn to add/remove/update packages. IMO Red Carpet is just better than any of RedHat's own tools for this job.

      If you really want a no brainer distro for newbies then try Knoppix. You don't need to install it, recompile anything, or configure anything. For the most part 'it just works'. It could always be better though. :)

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    2. Re:Alas RedHat indeed. by lurking · · Score: 2, Funny

      Are you sure you are not trying to install Redhat 2.1?

    3. Re:Alas RedHat indeed. by cprincipe · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Just to be argumenative I'll say that the main problem with RedHat (and Linux) recently is the effort to dumb it down for the folks out there who can't do anything but run Minesweeper on their XP box.

      Linux should not be Windows or MacOS. If users want a dumbed down OS let them use Windows or MacOS. At most let them use a retarded distro like Lindows.

      And as long as people continue to have this attitude, Linux will be nothing more than a niche system used by 5% of the total desktop PC market.

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    4. Re:Alas RedHat indeed. by MikeFM · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not at all. You can make something BETTER by not copying and not dumbing things down. I for one don't think people as a whole are stupid. UI design should be based on making things easier - not dumber. The difference being that intermediate to expert users should find the interface easy rather than newbies. People will spend much more time being an experienced user than a novice so it doesn't make sense to cater to the novice. Sure there is a fear of learning but that's something people will just have to get over if they want things to be better.

      A good example is that many enterprise apps when ported from DOS to Windows tried to be more novice friendly by making moving between fields a mouse action where before they were a TAB action. This requires the users hands to leave the keyboard, find the mouse, find the pointer, move the pointer to the next box, click that box, move back to the keyboard, and resume typing. It wasn't long before many of these programs began adding back in the ability to TAB to the next field. Yes, to newbies the mouse seemed easier.. but experienced workers hated the change and it could badly damage the businesses productivity.

      Stability and speed is also important. KDE/Gnome especially IMO are going the wrong way in these areas as they try to satisfy Windows users.

      Besides - the desktop is a dying concept. Embedded devices to a large degree will take the place as novice users interface of choice. Why figure out how to do something with a powerful (but possibly complex) interface when you can use a handheld gadget that has three buttons and can do what you need (and only what you need)? Obviously you'll still have desktops just as we still have command line interfaces.. but they'll shift from being a cashcow to being a geek tool.

      I predict a near future in which less complex devices, similar to (or the same as) game consoles are used by most people for tasks like web browsing, word processing, etc. The systems will likely run Linux or a similar OS but in a version that has been stripped of anything unneeded.. configured especially for the given hardware and tested for stability. I think they'll have a desktop but given the limited capabilities of the systems that the desktop will be very lightweight. Just to step further out on a limb I'll guess that Apple and Sony will be the two major competitors in this market.

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    5. Re:Alas RedHat indeed. by fishbowl · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "And as long as people continue to have this attitude, Linux will be nothing more than a niche system used by 5% of the total desktop PC market."

      A whole lot of people don't actually see that as a problem of any sort, and that seems to be difficult for others to grasp. Maybe Linus shouldn't have made that "world domination" joke so early on.

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  23. "Reveal codes" by matthewn · · Score: 4, Funny
    "Reveal codes" on every page I visited yesterday reveals only: html body /body /html.
    Reveal codes? What, we're surfing the web with WordPerfect here?
    1. Re:"Reveal codes" by yerricde · · Score: 2, Informative

      Reveal codes? What, we're surfing the web with WordPerfect here?

      What's the real difference between the meanings of "reveal codes" and "view source" again? Perhaps "view source" and "reveal codes" translate to the same thing in some language other than English. Or perhaps you're right, that WordPerfect's latest office suite includes a customized web browser.

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  24. vi / dvorak / qwerty improved? by lingqi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    i agree. that was the most difficult thing to get used to. I didn't have so much problem because i used the cursor keys (yes yes, not *true* geek, fine).

    but in other apps cut/paste etc would fudge one over too (for example ctrl-c / ctrl-v are mapped to ctrl-i and ctrl-. respectively).

    You can train yourself to get past it, but not the easiest.

    I have been convincing myself to re-learn qwerty by doing "float-typing" (don't know what's you'd call that), i.e. don't give a damn about the homerow, and the thumb-only-hits-space typing methodology that I think is holding everyone back.

    The "home-row" would roughly become (from left pinky to right pinky)

    a/s, e, r, t, b/space [left-hand]
    n/space, h, u, i, o/p [right-hand]

    the homerow roughly corresponds to the dvorak homerow, but stuff that has consecutive s and a, or o and p, would require finger shifts. almost like a piano, i guess.

    we'll see. that may turn out to be the ultimate solution in the end. or neurological interface

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    1. Re:vi / dvorak / qwerty improved? by Ami+Ganguli · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think the problem is that people _do_ touch-type, but they're thinking "cut", not "control-x" or looking down at the keyboard. I certainly do that.

      Similarly, if you ask me what the movement keys are in vi (or Nethack - where I really learned this skill many years ago) I'd have to think really hard to remember. But put me in front of a keyboard and it's automatic, at least with Qwerty.

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  25. there is no such thing as "zero-force typing" by 73939133 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Zero force typing is a myth. When you type, whether on a flat surface or a keyboard, your fingers at some point need to change directions (move up/down, etc.). The forces to bring that about either come from your own muscles or from the keyboard.

    Normal keyboards are carefully designed to cushion the strike and let you recover energy to make your finger go up again after going down. That's what all those little springs, levers, and rubber pads are for in your keyboard. A flat surface has none of those.

    The difference is similar to jumping barefoot on concrete vs. jumping barefoot on a trampoline. Which would you rather do? Keyboards basically give you a carefully designed trampoline for each finger, and that's good.

    1. Re:there is no such thing as "zero-force typing" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Besides, what is the fun of being a fast typer if you dont have a keyboard producing a machine gun like sound???

    2. Re:there is no such thing as "zero-force typing" by the+hopthrisC · · Score: 3, Interesting
      The TouchStream products work with a much better technology than springs, levers and rubber pads: gravity.



      Touchtyping with on one of those is possible and when you have mastered it (which doesn't take very long, provided you could touch type on an ordinary keyboard to begin with) you don't 'strike' the keys anymore, you simply lift the finger and let it fall back. Thus you regain all of the energy (except for the losses with your joints, of course ;)

    3. Re:there is no such thing as "zero-force typing" by 73939133 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You are still assuming that by getting rid of the springs, you reduce the force and work. But the opposite is true: when you type on a surface, your fingers experience more force and you need to perform more work than if you type on a regular computer keyboard.

    4. Re:there is no such thing as "zero-force typing" by rtechie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Again, not to be confrontational, but your concept of what is necessary for typing "zero force" is off. There isn't massive acceleration when your finger hits the pad. This is not the same typing as with a mechanical keyboard, but with no springs. You bearly have to tap the keys on these keyboards.

      It's basic physics. Think about it. In order to type quickly, your fingers MUST move faster. This means that if you're typing fast your finger WILL hit the key harder due to the increased speed. This means that the faster you type on a keyboard, the harder your fingers impact the keyboard and the more "damage" you do.

      Regular keys effectively act like sponges or airbags absorbing and softening the impact of each stroke. This is not the case of a capacitance keyboard like the Touchstream where each keypress is the equivalent to impacting a wall.

      Now you might claim that a light touch can compensate for this, but it seems impossible to me. In order to type fast your fingers MUST impact the keys harder, so it seems to be that on a capacitance keyboard the goals of comfort and fast typing are fundamentally opposed. This has certainly been my experience in the capacitance keyboards I've used.

      There is also the issue of "work". In a properly designed keyboard (like the old "clickity" IBM keyboard I'm using right now) has enough force in the springs to physically move the finger up. On mine the springs are powerful enough the the "return" actually lifts the finger up about 1 mm from the key. What this means is that there is little, if any, "work" involved on the "return stroke". In a capacitance keyboard this is not the case, a user must lift his finger himself.

      Now you could argue that I'm exaggerating the effect of these "impacts", and they might be less of a problem that I think when compared to the damage caused by the extra "work" of having to press a regular key. Of course, a capacitance user also has the extra work of lifting his fingers. I'm not sure which is worse, but my instinct is that the "impacts" are a bigger problem than the extra work in pressing the keys.

  26. Novell's legal Actions by linuxislandsucks · · Score: 2

    What are Novell's legal actions it refers to in its letter to SCO?

    It is obvious that they could revoke all licenses that were entered into with SCO Group which kill all SCO Gruop licensing plans and income! It also by pure design takes the least amount of time to implement.

    Is there any other legal optins Novell has besides the obvious ones such as this one above?

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  27. Re:Raelians by MikeFM · · Score: 3, Informative

    This is why real browsers such as Opera and Mozilla offer tabbed browsing. Open links in new tabs. When your done just kill the tab and your still on the original page. :)

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  28. Embrace and expand. by Phleg · · Score: 2, Funny



    It's not a bug, it's a feature! The "crash" input type allows the user to crash the browser. It's very useful and another Microsoft (TM) innovation.


    Yeah, gotta love Micrsoft's technique of "embrace and expand". Pretty soon they'll implement

    <input type bsod>

    and

    <input type format_C>

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  29. Freedroid by Moritz+Moeller+-+Her · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I would take a look at freedroid, which is an excellent SDL based clone of paradroid. Very playable and nice!

    Check it out, IMHO it is a bit better than nighthawk.

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  30. Touchstream conclusions by JerryKnight · · Score: 3, Informative

    Okay, from what I can gather, those who have one of these keyboards love it, but those who don't either are sceptical of the touch typing or wary of the price. This is what I expected when I submitted this.

    By zero force, they mean that no movement is required on the part of the key, you need only touch the area on the touchpad. The only necessary force is that of gravity on your finger, since the sensor can "see" your finger even when it barely touches the pad. It is actually quite easy to use after a while, and the biggest obstacle is keeping the hands from drifting while typing. Using it without some sort of padding to elevate the heals of my hands is both painful and annoying since my hands tend to drift quite a bit otherwise. Touch typing is very possible, if the hands are kept stationary. In fact, I am forced to touch type since I got the Qwerty keyboard and type in dvorak, which most dvorak users will agree is commonplace.

    Dvorak... This keyboard remaps its keys in the firmware. I don't use soft-dvorak because the extra keys (read about the programmers pad) would be un-mapped and wrong. I also very frequently revert back to Qwerty with only about 2-3 or sometimes 5 minutes of painful confusion, usually after not typing qwerty for a while. Actually, it is sometimes more painful reverting to mechanical keyboards, even those in dvorak, since my hands get so spoiled by the ZF typing.

    Also, using emacs is surprisingly easy with the included gestures. Ctrl-x? easy, thumb and middle finger dragged together. Ctrl-s? thumb and first three fingers dragged together. Et cetera. Those and similar gestures are actually intended for cut, save, etc, but each gesture is mapped to a keystroke, so it can be used anywhere that keystroke is appropriate. Also, using two fingers on the left hand, you move the cursor around. They include a touchstream.el script supposedly used for some extra shortcuts, but I have yet to try that out.

    Personally, and obviously, I find the gestures and the ease of typing (easy on the fingers I mean) to far outweigh the $340 price tag ($40 for the tent stand, now included with LP). I do not usually lay down that much money for a gadget, but I had to try it, and as it was frequently mentioned, these things are hard to find for demo. Let's fix this by taking a chance and investing in one (no I do not work for Fingerworks). I would be very willing to let anyone in my area (waco, TX) demo the keyboard. If you are convinced on the gestures, but not on the typing, buy the gesture pad for $150 last I checked.

    Great technology, and the price will drop when more people give it a chance.

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  31. Re:You haven't been playing piano by rtechie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No they *must* not. If you've ever played the piano, you'd know that it is possible to play fast and pianissimo. It may be hard for *you*, but it's rather easy for me and probably others.

    Say it with me once again: B-A-S-I-C P-H-Y-S-I-C-S!

    If object a is moving at a higher rate of speed than object b when it strikes object c, object a will transfer more energy to object c.

    In other words, it will hit harder. This isn't rocket science.

    I don't doubt that you can train yourself to play extremely lightly on a piano. However, the situation isn't exactly analogous because you play music at a FIXED METER. You're not trying to bang the keys as quickly as you possibly can, which is exactly what you're trying to do with a keyboard. And when you're trying to move your fingers as fast as you possibly can, you're going to bang.

    With training it's possible that you can play fast and pianissimo, but you'll NEVER be able to play as fast as you can banging away because "playing fast" and "playing softly" and fundamentally at odds with one another as I described. For this reason you'll NEVER be able to type as fast with a capacitance keyboard as you can with a conventional keyboard.

    If you choose to disbelieve in physics I can't help you.