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A Tour of Pixar

Jellybob writes "A little something for those of you who aren't happy with where you work: just go and work at Pixar." This is apparently part of the Finding Nemo hype machine; here's a BBC story talking about deploying metal detectors and night-vision goggles to stop people from camcording the movie.

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  1. Bah by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Every time they release something we're treated with another "behind the scenes" story about pixar.

    I remember when "behind the scenes" features were cool. The giant life sized dinosaurs used in the first "Jurassic Park". The enormous sets for "Honey I Shrunk the kids". The model mine cart and track for "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom". The thousands of horses and riders used in Braveheart. Actors spending 6 hours in make up to shoot a 5 minute scene.

    Even if the movies sucked, it was really cool to see how it was made.

    Now we watch some nerd sitting in front of his console. And so its not boring, they all force themselves to act zany and wild throughout the special. Of course it's so obvious they're under orders to ham it up for the camera.

    Just face it. With CG, Hollywood just isnt cool anymore.

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    1. Re:Bah by Musashi+Miyamoto · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Worse yet, the CG in most movies is not believeable. The quality is so low and the animation so obvious that it removes the credibility so that only children could possibly enjoy it.

      In the 80's, most sci-fi and fantasy movies needed to use puppets and camera trics. The puppets were significantly more believable and enjoyable to watch than most current CG characters. I would take an old starwars puppet over a CG Jabba anyday.

      One of the only movies to do it right was Jurrassic Park. It was also one of the first. It is a shame that production values have dropped so dramatically.

      Think of all the great fantasy and scifi movies in the past that used puppets instead of graphics:

      The neverending story
      Star wars trilogy (before profiteering by Lucas)
      Labrynth
      The Dark crystal
      Legend

      All of the characters were more believable than the current crop... Even Gollum from the recent LOTR movies, which had some of the best acting by a CG character in a while, was difficult to believe because half the time he was on the screen, it we obvious that he was a CG character.

    2. Re:Bah by Anonymous+Custard · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Worse yet, the CG in most movies is not believeable. The quality is so low and the animation so obvious that it removes the credibility so that only children could possibly enjoy it.

      That may be true for implementations like Jar-Jar in SW Episode 1, but don't group Pixar in there with the hollywood CG abusers. Pixar produces high quality cartoons, not real-life simulations. They're not trying to fool your eye into thinking that the bugs in A Bug's Life are actually real bugs moving around.

      Even Gollum from the recent LOTR movies, which had some of the best acting by a CG character in a while, was difficult to believe because half the time he was on the screen, it we obvious that he was a CG character.

      So your glass is half-empty. I thought it was amazing how the other half the time, I was watching the movie forgetting that Gollum was CG.

    3. Re:Bah by gpinzone · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In the 80's, most sci-fi and fantasy movies needed to use puppets and camera trics. The puppets were significantly more believable and enjoyable to watch than most current CG characters. I would take an old starwars puppet over a CG Jabba anyday.

      Let's not get carried away! I think a better example is Ghostbusters. Listen to the commentary track on the DVD and you'll find out how ingenious tricks were used to do the effects. For example, the "frying egg on the countertop scene" was done using no computer animation; just some basic stuff a magician would do. Nowadays, they'd animate the whole thing with a cgi egg on a blue screen that would look completely fake just because no one would bother to figure out how to do it any other way. Probably the best example of old school effects has to be in the Wizard of Speed and Time. In fact, I'd say it's the definitive movie on the subject.

    4. Re:Bah by wass · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Even Gollum from the recent LOTR movies, which had some of the best acting by a CG character in a while, was difficult to believe because half the time he was on the screen, it we obvious that he was a CG character.

      So then you by default don't like cartoons or anime because the characters aren't puppets?

      I don't really get your premise, why is a puppet any more "real" than CG? In either case alot of work must go into making the thing look real and lifelike. Some movies have the manpower, budget, and motivation to do this (either with CG or puppetry) and others don't.

      Another thing to think about is that puppetry in movies has been around for many decades BEFORE that list of movies you listed. ( Interestingly all of the movies you listed came out in the 70's and 80's (actually, I don't know Legend). How old are you? My guess is that you're in your 20's, and those movies are from your childhood where you'd be amazed at anything.) What this means is that means the technology had a chance to mature. Ever look at an old 50's sci-fi flick? the puppetry and costumes are abysmal compared to Star-Wars. And do you really think Gollum is that much worse than Jabba or his little Henson rat? IMHO, neither of those were really that believable either.

      And I still don't get why CG cannot be good but puppetry is? Did you like "Who Framed Roger Rabbit"? There was no (i think) puppetery used there, most special effects were the animations (I know the scene where Roger spits out water had a water pipe 'hidden' by his animated drawing). IMHO, that movie rocked. Animation, puppetry, and CG each offer their own unique feel to add fantastic features to movies/tv. One is not necessarily better than another. They have their own features/flaws, but if done right they can be really good, or really cheesy if not done right.

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    5. Re:Bah by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1, Insightful
      One of the only movies to do it right was Jurrassic Park. It was also one of the first. It is a shame that production values have dropped so dramatically.

      CG here is to stay and it allows movies to do things that live action cannot or should not do. Even in traditional animation like Chicken Run, they used CG to paint in things like the rain.

      I think the problem with Hollywood is that they don't realize that just because they can use CG doesn't mean that they should use it. Another problem is that they don't know that CG is not a replacement for plot, creativity, and imagination. Many horrible movies these days seem to blow their entire budget on CG and not at all on the story.

      Jurassic Park is only one example of how to use CG. Forrest Gump is a better one. The CG effects in Forrest Gump were almost invisible. The Scorpion King is a counter-example.

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    6. Re:Bah by TheWickedKingJeremy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't really get your premise, why is a puppet any more "real" than CG?

      Because, when another character reaches out and touches the puppet or model, you believe he/she is actually touching something... With CG, it is usually so obvious that the CG character isn't really there. The other actor (who is in reality is looking at a blue screen) stares intently at where the eyes are supposed to be, but you can just tell he isn't seeing the creature standing there. You can tell because the character does not react to the subtle nuance of the CG character. When the CG creature wags a huge, spiked tail, or shifts its weight suddenly, the other actor does not react to these movements. I dont know how else to explain it - it is obvious the creature is simply not there. Chewie from Star Wars was much more believable than even Gollum... The difference is in the minute, subtle nuance found in their interactions.

      CG has its place and can definitely add to the realism of a picture (films like Jurassic park used CG very effectively), but in most cases it detracts IMHO.

      Animations like Roger Rabbit are just in a different category altogether. The creators of Roger Rabbit were not trying to convice me that Roger is a character that I would believe in real life. He was, obviously, a cartoon, and it works fine.

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  2. Get copy from Hong Kong by zakezuke · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What what I understand, it's not a problem going to a movie with a video camera in hong kong. Piracy is common place, can buy films on the street or see them in the theater.

    While you can sorta impose these rules in america, you can't always impose these rules in other parts of the world. Besides, I have never thought it was a serious threat with a cam corder as they look crapy anyway. A cam edition of a film atleast here in america has NO comercial value what so ever.

    Now a DVD screener on the other hand, will why bother buying the DVD if you download the screener, that's something they should actually be concerned about. Fortunatly for Hollywood the equipment required to copy films onto the small screen is pretty costly and not something typical home users own.

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    1. Re:Get copy from Hong Kong by sweeney37 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      why bother buying the DVD if you download the screener

      because many people enjoy having extras. the commentary tracks many times give you insights into the film that no "behind the scenes" featurette will. not only are these commentary track often humorous, they are also educational for many up and coming film makers.

      Mike

    2. Re:Get copy from Hong Kong by TechBCEternity · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Cam releases are depreciated since Telesyncs (cam from projection booth with the sound connected to the projector) come out at the same time. So when it's an internal job how can it be stopped ? Projectionists often run movies after their shifts so that they can watch it on their own. Any nonsense about checking for cameras or confiscating camera phones is a irrelevant since there's always going to be Telesync releases and Screeners released. If they were smart they'd release screeners in cheap dvd players with the door glued shut like they do with some CD reviewers. People are still buying DVDs even with DVD-rips around because they look better and the packaging often adds value. It's the same with the RIAA they would blame their recession losses on piracy before they would examine their antiquated distribution chain.

  3. Bunch of nice people work there by 3.5+stripes · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Most of the people I've met from there are just big kids, although I haven't had a chance to see them work. Dylan for example, reminded me of a few of my fith grade classmates.

    Wish I was talented enough to work there.

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  4. Airplane Contest by dschuetz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's a great easter egg on the Monsters, Inc. DVD.

    Second disc, Humans Only, Pixar studio tour, highlight the logo at the bottom, press left (a black circle should appear around the airplane). I think then you click on the airplane.

    It's a short film of a paper-airplane contest they held in the atrium, with lots of crazy contraptions either flying the distance, curling into the sides, or plummeting straight down. All set to an appropriate classical soundtrack.

    Why is it that all the really cool places to work are on the left coast? (Pixar, Google, etc.) All we've got out here are the CIA and the Pentagon, and those sort of lose their luster after a bit....

    1. Re:Airplane Contest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Actually, some animation studios in the East Coast (mostly those in NYC) share similarities with Pixar (toys everywhere, collaboration between departments, etc.), but they don't play this up as much... probably because the job market for animation (particularly CG) is much smaller here, not to mention the whole "serious" East Coast rep we gots to keep up ;)

  5. These people are idiots. by teamhasnoi · · Score: 5, Insightful
    All it takes is ONE person to share it. ONE. Then the day is over, time to go home, you've lost the battle.

    A projectionist, a kid who works at the theater with a camera behind a wall, somebody with a camera in their glasses, all it takes is ONE.

    All this is a waste of time, because you can't be everywhere at once. If broadband was available to areas with pirate flea-markets, I'm sure it would kill more of that market than anything else.

    THis article talks about a high quality rip of Matrix Reloaded. That sure as hell didn't come from a theater-goer with a sony..

    Clean your own house before you tell me how dirty mine is.

    1. Re:These people are idiots. by gosand · · Score: 4, Insightful
      THis article talks about a high quality rip of Matrix Reloaded. That sure as hell didn't come from a theater-goer with a sony..

      Nor did it have any impact on the box office take of the movie. It was the highest opening for an R rated movie ever. So if it wasn't on the net, does that mean that they would have made 100 million more? The other pirated movies on the net that make the articles are LOTR and Spider-man. Both couldn't have done much better at the box office. I don't understand why these movies make the news. If it hitting the net was such a revenue hit, wouldn't these things do poorly at the box-office? Or is it just that they would have made so much MORE money? Boo frickin hoo.

      I understand why Pixar would take measures to prevent people from taking it before the release. EVERYONE steals stuff from work, it would be no different at Pixar. They have every right to keep people from pilfering it. (Hey, I would too). After it hits the public though, all bets are pretty much off.

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  6. wtf by adamruck · · Score: 5, Insightful

    is it just me or are these people taking it a little to far, metal detectors and night-vision goggles? They have more security at the movie theatre then at school, what type of statement does that make?

    In April, a 33-year-old California man was arrested and charged with illegally videotaping films - if convicted, he faces up to 26 years in federal prison.

    if I pay to go to the movies and contribute to the million and million of dollars of profit, if I wanna take a peice of crap video recorder and have a grainy, shitty sounding, bad quality copy of the movie, WHO FUCKING CARES?

    Now if I go and sell it to my friends, or share it on kazaa, then great, ORDER ME TO STOP, AND GIVE ME A FINE. 26 years in a federal prison is fucking insane, drunk drivers dont get that much time.

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  7. Re:yep by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sounds like some other companies geared towards a lifestyle, such as Adidas.

    For the coporate types, maybe. The overseas workers producing the shoes for a couple of dollars a day might have a different take on things.

  8. Good Stories by CowboyRobot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Lasseter gave a talk at my school, Cornell, ten years ago, back when Luxo and 3D animation was fairly new. It was at Cornell where Don Greenberg's team developed the first ray-tracing methods in the 70s. What most impressed me about Lasseter was his 5-step plan to making a computer-animated movie. The first step was developing the story, and the others involved determiing market and budget, and then actually making the thing. This differs from what I understand of how other studios operate, where the box office comes first and the story is just cobbled together at the end, often being written as the film is being shot. I saw Toy Story again recently and was impressed by the quality of the writing and the story. Those aspects are what make the Pixar movies of such high-quality.

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  9. Whoa, boy. by paRcat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ok, I'll heartily admit that the 5 titles you mentioned were all great movies. In fact, seeing the name "The Dark Crystal" brought back memories of wonderful times sitting in front of the screen, getting engrossed in the story. Of course, nowadays, if I find out about someone who hasn't seen one of those, I instantly go into this "It's awesome!" explanation with plenty of "the effects rock", etc.

    Here's the thing though... those movies were released when I was the target demographic. When I watch one of those movies now (aside from maybe SW), I'm amazed at how many blanks my brain filled in. The Dark Crystal was one of my favorite movies, and now I can only wonder why I wasn't distracted by the muppettesque job done on all of the characters. Granted, my brain was forced to work, and who knows... that may be why I have an imagination today. :)

    But now back to the topic at hand... to say that puppets are superior visual effects to cg seems a little short-sighted to me. Given that both are separate art forms, it seems like the applesoranges argument.

    I personally believe the best mix is when full-size sets, miniature sets, and cg are combined. I loved seeing that Shrek's house was actually a miniature sculpture with Bonsai trees and moss. I loved that some LoTR frames used hundreds of layers to create the environments. And most of all, I love that technology is now being used to bring fantasy stories to life for adults rather than being relegated to 'stories for children'.

    If someone on /. decides that the images aren't believable, it doesn't really matter to me. And while many films don't spend a lot on cg and get it horribly wrong (cough*2*fast*cough*2*furious*cough), many others bring the state of the technology farther. And that just means good things in the future.

  10. Re:Depressed... by rhythmblind · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As a former Pixar employee, let me state unequivically that all those stories about how great it is to work at Pixar are bullshit. It is a horribly caste ridden company with those in higher castes barely acknowledging the existance of those in lower castes. It doesn't matter that they put all the bathrooms in one place.

    When I was there I often had occasion to visit Steve Jobs office. What did I find on his desk? He had on his desk an 8x10 photo of... himself. I shit you not. I took photos of the office showing this as I figured my friends would not believe me if I told them about it.

    Tippet Studio nearby in Berkeley is a much better place to work, but understand that it doesn't matter if you are making canoes or movies, work is work.

    Like most "information" in these fluff articles about Pixar their statement that

    At the end of the second gallery is a trophy case holding some of Pixar's awards -- including two Oscars and a Golden Globe. "We were really reluctant for a long time to display these -- we're still a little embarrassed by the whole thing.

    is patently false. As soon as they could they built a case for it an displayed and Oscar shortly after Toy Story. I know. I was there.

    Some of you may recall the Salary Snafu at Pixar around 1997 or 1998. Someone emailed to everyone at the company a list of employee salaries making it seems as if the mail came from Steve Jobs. To top it off the mail came the Monday morning of the week of employee reviews. Every employee went into their review knowing how much their boss was paid and how much their coworkers was paid.

    There were alot of unhappy people. That list showed that Pixar's salaries were awarded without regard to skill, exprerience, or performance. There could be upwards of 20K/yr separating office mates with the same skill/experience/title/performance.

    As you might guess, quite a few larger than expected raises were negotiated that year.

    Although a lawsuit was filed they never caught the guilty party. No doubt some disgruntled ex-employee...

  11. Complicated math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
    It would be pretty difficult to figure out exactly how many hours of rendering time actually went into one completed frame

    TotalRenderingTime / NumberOfFrames

  12. i dunno about the bathroom deal by calethix · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "If you have bathrooms that are scattered throughout the building, you use the bathroom nearest to where you're sitting. If there was one bathroom, all kinds of people would come together and talk with one another all the time -- you'd meet different people if you were waiting in line. It would enhance communication, and you'd be talking about things outside of work."

    Maybe it's the introvert side of me but I'd rather not have someone talking to me while I'm trying to take a whiz and talking 'while we wait in line' doesn't sound much better. I generally don't want to wait to go to the restroom. It's a nice idea but I think it should be left to other things like maybe a single spot for vending machines or something.

  13. Re:Depressed... by artemis67 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That list showed that Pixar's salaries were awarded without regard to skill, exprerience, or performance. There could be upwards of 20K/yr separating office mates with the same skill/experience/title/performance.

    Yeah, but that's not just a Pixar problem. That's an "everywhere you go" problem.

    I've met a lot of people who were scared to assert their worth, and would settle for $15k or $20k less than their market value.

    On the one hand, it leaves the higher paying jobs for those who are aggressive enough to look for them and negotiate for it (i.e., me), but on the other hand, it depresses the market as a whole if too many people are willing to settle for less.