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Absolute OpenBSD
porkrind writes "No Starch Press has announced its latest BSD title, Absolute OpenBSD, by Michael Lucas, scheduled to be in stores in July, 2003. Lucas is known as a FreeBSD contributor and the author of Absolute BSD. You can read all about it and pre-order now direct from No Starch Press or at Amazon."
*BSD is dead
The only OS which is a part of this complete martini!
Heh, the fish on the front cover looks like it had a bit of absolute itself.
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ping -f 255.255.255.255 # if only
Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered *BSD community when recently IDC confirmed that *BSD accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as further exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.
You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers.
Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS hobbyist dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save *BSD at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.
*BSD is dead
=======
P.S. Bite! You've been bitten by the Original AIDS Monkey! You have AIDS now!
"Lucas is known as a FreeBSD contributor and the author of Absolute BSD."
First Star Wars and now a FreeBSB contributor! I just don't know how he manages to have the time to do it all.
I'm reading Absolute BSD now to get ready for my first FreeBSD install. I've mostly worked with Macs, with a couple of linux installations on servers. This book is great. It's well written, human and clear. It makes recompiling the kernel - which I've never considered touching - seem like a normal, no big deal thing that you just do sometimes. If this install goes well, this new book will help convince me to try OpenBSD for more secure installs.
- no smp
- no unique features
- idiot leader, Theo de Raadt, with a history of talking but not doing.
- idiot leader who makes fun of the people he takes money from then contacts the ACLU when the bitch slap him
- poor rehack of stolen FreeBSD and NetBSD ideas.
- only worthwhile part of project is OpenSSH
- barely any significant features, they "audit" code for security
- bad drivers
- bad performance
- bad scheduler, no SMP, bad at handling massive amounts of interrupts generated by high load networking
- primitive everything
- NetBSD, what this was forked (stolen) from is superior in terms of portability and SMP support, as well as having ports that work.
- FreeBSD, the god of all free operating systems, is clearly superior in EVERY department. Those using OpenBSD are smelly zealots with cheesy old hardware, no life and no desire to do anything correctly.
Except martinis are made with gin, not vodka.
Correction.
That doesn't mean that OpenBSD is bad or has a small group of supporters.. It's only one of the most secure ("out of the box" is one of the items of high importance to me) firewall operating systems in the world. It's completely Open Source and available for free download.
The original book on OpenBSD from the year 2000 is sorely outdated since the OpenBSD project tries to release a new version every six months. This book covered lots of security/firewalling concepts and how to implement them in OpenBSD 2.5 (as well as Linux) while we are now at OpenBSD 3.3. The above-mentioned books should be able to help fill in the background details as to the "whys" more than the "hows."
The "hows" are provided on the OpenBSD website for free:
FAQ (installation)
Packet Filter User's Guide (does most of the amazing firewalling that OpenBSD is famous for)
Manual Pages
OpenBSD is freely available for download, but if you like the project, I strongly encourage you... Buy something from them (they have a few shirts and posters): Or donate money or hardware.
Also, I wonder if this book is in any way related to the Deadly.org plea from the community for topics that an OpenBSD book should cover.
James Bond drinks vodka martini's, the food network has a show and they were talking about how the Smirnoff distillery was backing the movies so they modified to drink to add vodka to it
some random page about vodka martinis
In a startling turn of events today, a previously little-known fact
came into the public eye: "*BSD Sux0rs".
This came as a complete surprise to the BUWLA, or BSD Users With
Large Assholes, as they previously thought that *BSD 0wned.
"You see, even though I have never contributed code to any BSD
project, I thought it was my duty to be a big asshole to others
which don't use the OS I do, because it just 0wnz.", said one
FreeBSD user. "Now that I know it sux0rs, though, I have to go
find something else to be an asshole about."
One notorious OpenBSD fanatic known as WideOpen, told reporters,
"I have to kill myself. This isn't how it was supposed to happen.
My BSD has always been the best, and shouting that opinion in other
people's faces at every chance I got has been my only hobby. It
was all I ever did. It was what got me out of bed in the morning.
Now I have to die. I will jam my bedpost up my ass until I hit my
brain. It is the only way to go: BSD style."
In the volatile world of operating systems anything can happen.
"At least we don't sux0r as much as Windows users", BigAzz, a
relatively well-known NetBSD user said. "Screaming things in people's
faces is my calling. Now I need to scream that BSD sux0rs. What
a sad world. At least I won't kill myself like those uber-asshole
OpenBSD guys. They are just way over the top. Or were, at least."
Nobody knows for sure what the future holds for the state of operating
systems, but with Netcraft confirming the sux0r status, *BSD users
all over the world will have to stick something else up their asses
from now on or risk looking even more gay than they used to.
Never did I say there was no such thing as a "vodka martini." I only stated that a martini -- a true martini -- is made with gin, not vodka. As another poster noted, vodka martinis were popularized by the James Bond movies. However a martini is gin, vermouth, and a garnish (usually an olive).
this article sheds some light on the subject
so does this one
Finally, I quote from GrumbleMagazine.com:
1. Don't try to be James Bond. Sean Connery is the only one in the world who can say the words "shaken, not stirred" without looking like an idiot. Watch Roger Moore try it. You'll laugh yourself silly. Just imagine what your date must think of you when you try it. Just order a Martini. If your bartender says "want that shaken?" only then may you say "that's fine." Notice that the proper answer is not "yes, please." That is because Martinis are supposed to be stirred. Shaking introduces tiny air bubbles, which can make the deliciously clear beverage cloudy for a while. But it won't taste any different; shaking does not "bruise" the gin. How can you bruise gin, anyway? It's liquor, not fruit.
2. You've noticed I mentioned gin, but not vodka. That is because vodka Martinis are silly (yes, James Bond drank them. See #1 above). Good vodka has no flavor; its main purpose is to give screwdrivers their drive. Bad vodka has a flavor, of sorts, but why would you want to drink bad vodka? Similarly, why would you want to drink a Martini that tasted just like vermouth? If you like the taste of vermouth so much, just drink it straight. And when ordering a Martini, do yourself a favor and ask for a call brand. Well gin tastes like turpentine.
3. Martinis come with olives (there should be three of them, but if your friendly neighborhood bartender gives you only one, don't argue; you want him or her to be your friend). If you don't want the olives, don't eat them. But don't say, "hold the olives." It makes you look like a child. Similarly, if you want a Martini with pearl onions instead of olives, ask for a Gibson. That's what it's called.
4. Apart from Gibsons, there are exactly two other acceptable alternatives. The Cosmopolitan is a delicious, if overly trendy, drink made with vodka (acceptable in this case, but only because of all the fruit flavors), cranberry juice, lime juice and sugar. Using lemon flavored vodka works well. Do not call it a Cosmopolitan Martini, and never call it "that Martini drink with cranberry and stuff in it." The other alternative is the Manhattan. A Manhattan is made with whiskey (again, ask for a call brand) and sweet vermouth. It is Dr. Wombat's personal favorite. Especially because Dr. Wombat's fiancée enjoys its garnish, a thoroughly whiskey-soaked cherry*. Do not call it a Whiskey Martini. You'll look silly, which runs contrary to the whole purpose of having these drinks.
5. There is no such thing as a Chocolate Martini. I don't care if your girlfriends all drink it. It doesn't exist.
Wow, the guy who wrote that bit is really a pompous asshole.
Why bather with another BSD distro? After all, BSD is dying. In a year or two, no one at all will use it.
I'm serious, folks. This is important information for all drunks. I FUCKING HATE all those asshole yuppies who drink fucking apple martinis and shit, fucking Hollywood posers who ask for Ketel One martinis. A real vodka drinker knows that "vodka" is Russian for "water" and he doesn't give a shit whether his vodka is filtered through peat moss or fucking moon rocks. And a real martini drinker drinks GIN martinis only, like the original Martinez but with a lot less vermouth, and preferably a simple solid gin like Beefeater rather than that pansy perfumy shit like Bombay Saffire. FUCK YOU PEOPLE!! If you're going to be an alcoholic, do it with some fucking CLASS. GIN MARTINIS OR NOTHING, MOTHERFUCKERS!!!!!! AAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
(takes long pull from flask)
errr, nevermind.
One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.
You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.
FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.
Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.
Fact: *BSD is dying
The record is clear on one thing: no operating system has ever come back from the grave. Efforts to resuscitate *BSD are one step away from spiritualists wishing to communicate with the dead. As the situation grows more desperate for the adherents of this doomed OS, the sorrow takes hold. An unremitting gloom hangs like a death shroud over a once hopeful *BSD community. The hope is gone; a mournful nostalgia has settled in. Now is the end time for *BSD.
[ed. note: in the following text, former FreeBSD developer Mike Smith gives his reasons for abandoning FreeBSD]
When I stood for election to the FreeBSD core team nearly two years ago, many of you will recall that it was after a long series of debates during which I maintained that too much organisation, too many rules and too much formality would be a bad thing for the project.
Today, as I read the latest discussions on the future of the FreeBSD project, I see the same problem; a few new faces and many of the old going over the same tired arguments and suggesting variations on the same worthless schemes. Frankly I'm sick of it.
FreeBSD used to be fun. It used to be about doing things the right way. It used to be something that you could sink your teeth into when the mundane chores of programming for a living got you down. It was something cool and exciting; a way to spend your spare time on an endeavour you loved that was at the same time wholesome and worthwhile.
It's not anymore. It's about bylaws and committees and reports and milestones, telling others what to do and doing what you're told. It's about who can rant the longest or shout the loudest or mislead the most people into a bloc in order to legitimise doing what they think is best. Individuals notwithstanding, the project as a whole has lost track of where it's going, and has instead become obsessed with process and mechanics.
So I'm leaving core. I don't want to feel like I should be "doing something" about a project that has lost interest in having something done for it. I don't have the energy to fight what has clearly become a losing battle; I have a life to live and a job to keep, and I won't achieve any of the goals I personally consider worthwhile if I remain obligated to care for the project.
Discussion
I'm sure that I've offended some people already; I'm sure that by the time I'm done here, I'll have offended more. If you feel a need to play to the crowd in your replies rather than make a sincere effort to address the problems I'm discussing here, please do us the courtesy of playing your politics openly.
From a technical perspective, the project faces a set of challenges that significantly outstrips our ability to deliver. Some of the resources that we need to address these challenges are tied up in the fruitless metadiscussions that have raged since we made the mistake of electing officers. Others have left in disgust, or been driven out by the culture of abuse and distraction that has grown up since then. More may well remain available to recruitment, but while the project is busy infighting our chances for successful outreach are sorely diminished.
There's no simple solution to this. For the project to move forward, one or the other of the warring philosophies must win out; either the project returns to its laid-back roots and gets on with the work, or it transforms into a super-organised engineering project and executes a brilliant plan to deliver what, ultimately, we all know we want.
Whatever path is chosen, whatever balance is struck, the choosing and the striking are the important parts. The current indecision and endless conflict are incompatible with any sort of progress.
Trying to dissect the above is far beyond the scope of any parting shot, no matter how distended. All I can really ask of you all is to let go of the minutiae for a moment and take a look at the big picture. What is the ultimate goal here? How can we get there with as little overhead as possible? How would you like to be treated by your fellow travellers?
Shouts
To the Slashdot "BSD is dying" crowd - big deal. Death is part of the cycle; take a look at your soft, pallid bodies and consider that right this very moment, parts of you are dying. See? It's not so bad.
To the bulk of the FreeBSD committerbase and the developer community at large - keep your eyes on the real goals. It
Fact: *BSD is dying
...one of the most secure
AFAIK it's the most secure by a long way.
I only know two more secure OS's -
Wang XTS ( UNIX based and impossible to get hold of ).
Any OS without any input/output devices at all.
Linux is chickenshit.
At the beginning of Chapter 6, the author refers to BIOS as the "Built In Operating System". This is the first I've heard of BIOS as defined as such; anyone else hear of this? Just curious...
http://www.everythinglinux.com.au/item/1886411999 Note that the book is currently on back order. Originally they only ordered three... and I have two of them :)
Janie took my gun...
One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.
You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.
FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.
Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.
Fact: *BSD is dying
Where have all the *BSD users gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the *BSD users gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the *BSD users gone?
Girls have kicked them every one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?
Where have all the young *BSD users gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the young *BSD users gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the young *BSD users gone?
Taken it anally every one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?
Where have all the young *BSD users gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the young *BSD users gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the young *BSD users gone?
Gone for linux every one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?
Where have all the *BSD users gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the *BSD users gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the *BSD users gone?
Gone to graveyards every one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?
Where have all the graveyards gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the graveyards gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the graveyards gone?
Covered with *BSD code every one
When will we ever learn?
When will we ever learn?
Personally I'm waiting for FreeBSB. The Backstreet Boys are great but their music is so expensive!
Out ot the box secure? fuck you, every single service is disabled, barely anything is running. sure, a box is really secure on the network when the stack isnt loaded. BULLSHIT.
PF doesnt do more amazing things than similar firewalls elsewhere. why do you come up with a feature list and show me the uberness of PF vs FreeBSD vs Linux IPT. I'd like to see that. Nope, more baseless BULLSHIT from someone who is just regurgitating lore rather than knowing from experience. BULLSHIT.
- no smp
- no unique features
- idiot leader, Theo de Raadt, with a history of talking but not doing.
- idiot leader who makes fun of the people he takes money from then contacts the ACLU when the bitch slap him
- poor rehack of stolen FreeBSD and NetBSD ideas.
- only worthwhile part of project is OpenSSH
- barely any significant features, they "audit" code for security
- bad drivers
- bad performance
- bad scheduler, no SMP, bad at handling massive amounts of interrupts generated by high load networking
- primitive everything
- NetBSD, what this was forked (stolen) from is superior in terms of portability and SMP support, as well as having ports that work.
- FreeBSD, the god of all free operating systems, is clearly superior in EVERY department. Those using OpenBSD are smelly zealots with cheesy old hardware, no life and no desire to do anything correctly.
You are a fucking karma whoreing bullshit artist.
It is official; Netcraft now confirms: *BSD is growing
One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered Windows community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has risen yet again, now up to more than 30 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has gained more market share , this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is sending other OSes into complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by topping the charts in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.
You don't need to be a Daemon to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a long and prosperous future. In fact there won't be any future at all for Windows Server because *BSD is growing. Things are looking very good for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to gain market share. Red ink flows from Redmond like a river of blood.
FreeBSD is the most loved of them all, having gained 93% more core developers. The sudden and pleasant release of long developed 5.0 only serves to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is growing.
Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 70000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 70000/5 = 14000 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 7000 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (70000+14000+7000)*4 = 364000 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.
Due to the release of OSX, cool new technologies and so on, FreeBSD is expanding into more desktops than ever. FreeBSD has become more than the sum of its parts.
All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily gained in market share. *BSD is very powerful and its long term survival prospects are very bright. If Windows is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to improve. The progress achieved is nothing short of a miracle. For all practical purposes, *BSD is alive and kicking.
Fact: *BSD will kick your ass
Ah, that explains it. I wondered why the hell anyone would drink a vodka martini. Gin and vermouth go together nicely (esp. with the tiny bit of olive flavor). Vodka and vermouth just tastes like really crappy vodka (Gilby's, anyone?)
I noticed one of the recent Bond movies finally stopped pretending that they were martinis. You just see Bond drinking vodka shots. Now if only he'd drink good vodka...
Forward, retransmit, or republish anything I say here. Just don't misquote me.
Where have all the *BSD users gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the *BSD users gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the *BSD users gone?
Girls have kicked them every one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?
Where have all the young *BSD users gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the young *BSD users gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the young *BSD users gone?
Taken it anally every one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?
Where have all the young *BSD users gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the young *BSD users gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the young *BSD users gone?
Gone for linux every one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?
Where have all the *BSD users gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the *BSD users gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the *BSD users gone?
Gone to graveyards every one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?
Where have all the graveyards gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the graveyards gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the graveyards gone?
Covered with *BSD code every one
When will we ever learn?
When will we ever learn?
You should not speak about things you don't know.
bzzt. sorry, fuckerhead. i've had the displeasure of using OpenBSD here and there since it was born. it used to be an interesting alternative. now its just a piece of fucking shit.
:o) your blind belief in fucking shit is proof.
you are wrong, stupid and moronic! all at the same time
keep itup loserfuck. more fuckheads like you make it easier for me to find a job if and when i need one
[ed. note: in the following text, former FreeBSD developer Mike Smith gives his reasons for abandoning FreeBSD]
When I stood for election to the FreeBSD core team nearly two years ago, many of you will recall that it was after a long series of debates during which I maintained that too much organisation, too many rules and too much formality would be a bad thing for the project.
Today, as I read the latest discussions on the future of the FreeBSD project, I see the same problem; a few new faces and many of the old going over the same tired arguments and suggesting variations on the same worthless schemes. Frankly I'm sick of it.
FreeBSD used to be fun. It used to be about doing things the right way. It used to be something that you could sink your teeth into when the mundane chores of programming for a living got you down. It was something cool and exciting; a way to spend your spare time on an endeavour you loved that was at the same time wholesome and worthwhile.
It's not anymore. It's about bylaws and committees and reports and milestones, telling others what to do and doing what you're told. It's about who can rant the longest or shout the loudest or mislead the most people into a bloc in order to legitimise doing what they think is best. Individuals notwithstanding, the project as a whole has lost track of where it's going, and has instead become obsessed with process and mechanics.
So I'm leaving core. I don't want to feel like I should be "doing something" about a project that has lost interest in having something done for it. I don't have the energy to fight what has clearly become a losing battle; I have a life to live and a job to keep, and I won't achieve any of the goals I personally consider worthwhile if I remain obligated to care for the project.
Discussion
I'm sure that I've offended some people already; I'm sure that by the time I'm done here, I'll have offended more. If you feel a need to play to the crowd in your replies rather than make a sincere effort to address the problems I'm discussing here, please do us the courtesy of playing your politics openly.
From a technical perspective, the project faces a set of challenges that significantly outstrips our ability to deliver. Some of the resources that we need to address these challenges are tied up in the fruitless metadiscussions that have raged since we made the mistake of electing officers. Others have left in disgust, or been driven out by the culture of abuse and distraction that has grown up since then. More may well remain available to recruitment, but while the project is busy infighting our chances for successful outreach are sorely diminished.
There's no simple solution to this. For the project to move forward, one or the other of the warring philosophies must win out; either the project returns to its laid-back roots and gets on with the work, or it transforms into a super-organised engineering project and executes a brilliant plan to deliver what, ultimately, we all know we want.
Whatever path is chosen, whatever balance is struck, the choosing and the striking are the important parts. The current indecision and endless conflict are incompatible with any sort of progress.
Trying to dissect the above is far beyond the scope of any parting shot, no matter how distended. All I can really ask of you all is to let go of the minutiae for a moment and take a look at the big picture. What is the ultimate goal here? How can we get there with as little overhead as possible? How would you like to be treated by your fellow travellers?
Shouts
To the Slashdot "BSD is dying" crowd - big deal. Death is part of the cycle; take a look at your soft, pallid bodies and consider that right this very moment, parts of you are dying. See? It's not so bad.
To the bulk of the FreeBSD committerbase and the developer community at large - keep your eyes on the real goa
- no smp
Not everyone needs SMP. Most people, including you, that always bitch about SMP probably don't need it in the first place. SMP brings security issues. For a project like OpenBSD, they are not going to just jump into something like this.
- no unique features
Won't even bother with this. You must have been living under a rock for a last year or two.
- idiot leader, Theo de Raadt, with a history of talking but not doing.
Complete opposite. Look on the mailing lists if you want to see people talking without action.
- idiot leader who makes fun of the people he takes money from then contacts the ACLU when the bitch slap him
Incorrect, missing details. Taken out of context.
- poor rehack of stolen FreeBSD and NetBSD ideas.
Stolen code? From a BSD licensed system? OpenBSD is probably the only OS that cares about licesensing. They audit licenses as well as code.
- only worthwhile part of project is OpenSSH
Seperate project. And a good one at that.
- barely any significant features, they "audit" code for security
Again, get out from under your rock. If only everyone audited code.
- bad drivers
Bad hardware. Upgrade those Realtek nics buddy.
- bad performance
Prove it.
- bad scheduler, no SMP, bad at handling massive amounts of interrupts generated by high load networking
You have already bitched about SMP, see first comment. OpenBSD has proven to handle some pretty decent loads. If you knew what you were talking about, you would have already seen the benchmarks floating around.
- primitive everything
Eh?
- NetBSD, what this was forked (stolen) from is superior in terms of portability and SMP support, as well as having ports that work.
Get over SMP. *YOU* DON'T NEED IT. The ports work fine.
- FreeBSD, the god of all free operating systems, is clearly superior in EVERY department. Those using OpenBSD are smelly zealots with cheesy old hardware, no life and no desire to do anything correctly.
Shame you don't have a need for UNIX. An MP3 Samba server in your parents basement doesn't count.
OpenBSD are doing things correctly. But of course like I've said twice before, you have no clue what they have done recently.
If FreeBSD was "superior in EVERY department" then there wouldn't be a need for NetBSD, OpenBSD, or even Linux. Would there? Every project is doing something a little different and that is a good thing.
You have no say.
It won't be long after the next pretentious, wanna-be-sophisticated drinker orders a "Martini, Extra Dirty" from me, I may become a homicidal bastard bartender from hell.
There is no such thing as a Martini with two ounces of olive brine. There is such a thing as gin shaken with ice and olive brine so as to not taste like an alcoholic beverage and give the drinker the feeling that she is part of some elite group, but in my bar, a Martini is top-shelf gin shaken with a smidge of vermouth, garnished with a queen olive. Of course, the beauty of the "Dirty Martini" is that the drinker tends to forget that she is drinking a rather potent drink, regardless of the fact that it may taste like salty asswater to anyone who has actually had a real Martini, and usually gets so wasted that she acts like an idiot.
But, I digress.
I keep threatening to get back to OpenBSD, after getting fairly deep into FreeBSD (my employer for my day-job is an all-FBSD shop). I almost bought the book a couple of days ago, and still may.
-Not everyone needs SMP. Most people, including you, that always bitch about SMP probably don't need it in the first place. SMP brings security issues. For a project like OpenBSD, they are not going to just jump into something like this.
You don't know what you are talking about. Bad kernel hackers, like the ones on OpenBSD, cant do it because its difficultly and than blame security. PATHETIC. Fuck you I don't need it. "Not everyone needs a computer" is about the same as saying not everyone needs SMP.
Won't even bother with this. You must have been living under a rock for a last year or two.
Loser. Your snarky know it all attitude only provides further evidence you are a fat sexless live at home loser with no job.. Name something unique to OpenBSD.
Complete opposite. Look on the mailing lists if you want to see people talking without action.
Lies. Total Lies. Yeah, his wonderful personality went over well in NetBSD land.
Incorrect, missing details. Taken out of context.
Sentence fragments. Aren't. Cool. And. You. Seem. Like. An. Arrogant. Fucker. Now cut your fucking propagandist lies.
Stolen code? From a BSD licensed system? OpenBSD is probably the only OS that cares about licesensing[sic]. They audit licenses as well as code.
Yeah right, if you knew how to actually read programming you would see certain things in OpenBSD strikingly - well, blatantly RIPPED OFF.
Seperate[sic] project. And a good one at that.
Yes it is. And its the only worthwhile piece of OpenBSD.
Again, get out from under your rock. If only everyone audited code.
Lies again. Auditing my ass. I've run many systems, and OpenBSD's little requisite of now having anything turned on to be secure is amusing. You could go back 15 years and audit the UNIX code base from back than and get the job done rather quickly. But it would still be useless in today's world. Kind of like OpenBSD.
bad hardware? Realtek. hahaha. sure thing pal, tigon3/bcm5700, syskonnect and a gamut of other high end cards. Your OS doesn't do polling to stop live locking from interrupts. What do you have to say about that.
prove it
prove that its better than anything else. I have proven it to myself, and I have show the results to people that matter. That wouldn't be you.
bad scheduler, no SMP, bad at handling massive amounts of interrupts generated by high load networking You have already bitched about SMP, see first comment. OpenBSD has proven to handle some pretty decent loads. If you knew what you were talking about, you would have already seen the benchmarks floating around.
Yes, now repeat the test with two gigE cards. OpenBSD as a router with high volume traffic is laughable soft in the networking department. You know nothing of performance oriented computing. Your lies and lack of knowledge tell the story here, the SMP is a crucial feature on systems without a real strategy for handling the service needs of network cards. OpenBSD's approach to this is as bad as it gets. I'll stick to Net, Free and Linux over this trash. And if you cant see that some loser showing a corner case to "prove" OpenBSD is better is a farce, well, that is exactly what i expect of you.
Get over SMP. *YOU* DON'T NEED IT. The ports work fine.
Yes, I fucking do, ASSHOLE. You think this is a game? That this is some firewall shit at home? You really, really don't know what the fuck this is about. You are so pathetic, and this is such a testament to the fact. If something is difficult to accomplish, downplay it. This is like basic psychology and you are trapped and caught like the know nothing rat you are.
Shame you don't have a need for UNIX. An MP3 Samba server in your parents basement doesn't count.
Wrong. And your kiddie porn server with picture of you and your parents, while busy, is a shameful way to make money. OpenBSD is not Unix. Clearly. SYSV an
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Take a hint.
No one cares if you don't like OpenBSD. If you don't have anything useful to say on this topic, then don't. Please.
(Just to remind you, it was a book called Abosolute OpenBSD)
Stay on topic, or take your rants elsewhere. Heck, set up a blog or something to vent to.
I am not using linux because it is illegal and SCO owns it.
I'm not paying any fucking licensing fees to SCOCKS just to run a web server on Linux. At least BSD got thier shit straight with ATT years ago.
Feel better now?
You must have had a lot on your chest lately.
Based on the language used in your response to this guy, it is clear you can't be older than 13 - 18. If you are, then god only knows how you keep a job with that attitude. If you even have one that is.
I read Slashdot to get the latest developments in the open source world and read about cool technology and enjoy reading the discussions, so:
It's a good thing Slashdot have a system to filter the complete CRAP spewing from your mouth and others like you. You are nothing more than a common troll, and probably in the same boat as spammers: the cancer of the Internet.
As if anyone would take someone with a filthy, childish mouth like yours seriously.
What a life.