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Palm to Buy Handspring

liam193 writes "CBS MarketWatch is reporting that Palm has agreed to buy Handspring for $169M. If you were purchasing a PDA right now, would you choose Palm, Handspring, or avoid them entirely? I guess one of my concerns is that Handspring has some really cool features that Palm may want to keep. Any merger spells elimination of product lines. So what gets dropped? Palm which has probably a nicer "case" style or Handspring with its less desirable case but some features you don't find on Palms."

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  1. So... by Hogwash+McFly · · Score: 5, Funny

    they have Hand in the Palm of their Hand?

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    1. Re:So... by The+Dobber · · Score: 4, Funny

      Cool way to make profit.

      1) Create successful company
      2) Leave company
      3) Create new company kinda like old company
      4) Sell new company to old comapny
      5) Repeat

      Based on this scenario, I'd expect the next company to be named "Cash Cow". Or perhaps "Other Handspring".

  2. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't get it - what does Handspring bring to Palm? Certainly a couple of years ago they had nice features compared to the palms of the time, like expansion ports and such like, but now Palm has that too.

    1. Re:Why? by Netscurror · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, there's one competitor less, isn't that something?

    2. Re:Why? by jtrostel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Palm regains Hawkins, Colligan (and Dubinsky?). They also get the treo product line, which is a nice, functional pda-cell-phone combo, that actually can last for a reasonable period of time.

      The new treo 600 will include an expansion port, which was sadly missing on the earlier treo line. The battery size has been increased too, if early reports can be believed.

  3. Uhhh... by kikta · · Score: 5, Insightful
    "So what gets dropped? Palm which has probably a nicer "case" style or Handspring with its less desirable case but some features you don't find on Palms."


    Wouldn't they most likely use the best features from both?
    1. Re:Uhhh... by Mwongozi · · Score: 5, Informative

      Wouldn't they most likely use the best features from both?

      That didn't happen when HP merged with Compaq. The Journada range was dropped, even though they had some nice features not found in iPAQs.

    2. Re:Uhhh... by Oliver+Wendell+Jones · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Springboard is dead.

      Almost all Handspring products now are Treos which don't include Springboard slots.

      My employer was spending a butt-load of money developing a new Handspring/Springboard based product when the rumor was spread about Handspring ceasing the production of the Visor model line. We sent representatives to their headquarters and we were reassured that the reported comment had been taken out of context and that sometime in the future they *might* go that route, but for now Visors and Springboards were still alive and kicking.

      We went back to work and about 30 days prior to the launch of a product that has now had a million+ dollars spent developing it, Handspring came out and announced that the rumors were true, they were getting out of the PDA business and focusing on the 'Communicator' business and would be selling primarily Treos without Springboards.

      Needless to say, we were not happy, especially since we had already purchased over a thousand various Visor models we had planned to use as a give away promotion on top of the million+ dollars already spent on R&D.

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  4. Sony Clie for me. by NetDanzr · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I use my PDA mainly as an e-book reader. Unlike Palm, Clie has this cool scrolling wheel, which makes all the difference for me. A perfect example of a small innovation that can (and should) mean big bucks for the company.

  5. Other article ... by jmays · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yahoo is carrying an article , too.

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  6. choose, but choose wisely.... by sweeney37 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you were purchasing a PDA right now, would you choose Palm, Handspring, or avoid them entirely?

    I would avoid both of them entirely, but not because of the sale, but because of the clunky design, smaller screen size, and general lack of innovation. With Handspring came along, it pushed Palm to adapt and made their products cheaper, and smaller. But overall both of their products we're basically the same. I mean how long did it take for Palm to develop USB functionality, even Handsprings came with it right out of the box?

    Then the Palm OS market changed when Sony came along, they pulled the 6 Million Dollar Man on the competitors. They made their handheld, faster, smaller and added functionality the others were lacking. I did my research and at the time bought the Clie PEG-SL10 and I haven't looked back. Palm may of been one of the originators but Sony has been the innovator.

    I think this sale is bad for everyone, competition always spurs more innovation.

    Mike

    1. Re:choose, but choose wisely.... by c13v3rm0nk3y · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I did my research and at the time bought the Clie PEG-SL10 and I haven't looked back.

      I also did some research -- for over a year -- and decided on a Palm Tungsten T over anything from Sony. I never considered a PocketPC.

      Although Sony did have some very cool features, they all failed the "hand test". As soon as I actually held one in my hand, it felt sort of flimsy and toy-like. I'm left-handed, and it utterly failed the "hold it in the other hand" test. The Tungsten T passed this test for me, and with flying colours.

      Over the last few weeks, it has passed all my usability tests, as well. This is where the Sharp Zaurus failed for me; it passed the hand test nicely, but as soon as I used it for any length of time, it's value decrease to almost 0, and off to eBay it went.

      Of course, my decision was really made for me this time 'round: I use a Mac at home, and Palm is the only company that really supports Mac OS X.

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  7. Elimination? by thamaht · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A merger doesn't always mean elimination. In many cases there's actual merging.
    I don't see why it has to be one or the other. Palm has been smart, and if they continue to be, the features of the Handspring will be added in to the next Palm Pilot revision.

  8. Re:let's face it by Drakonian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Depends if you want to carry around a little computer or a PDA. No doubt that PPCs have more features, but they are considerably bigger and suck up the batteries much faster. I prefer PDAs as small as possible - I like the Palm V form factor.

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  9. Re:Why did Handspring split off in the first place by M-2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    No, it wasn't a Palm spin-off. It was two of the founders of Palm, who got shuffled out after Palm was bought by 3Com, starting their own company.

    I'm going to miss Handspring - I still have and use my Visor Deluxe daily, although the screen's starting to go and it'll have to be replaced soon. I refuse, however, to give in to farting around with those damn thumboards on the Treos. Looks like it may be a Sony for me, or just go PocketPC.

  10. obvious and sad answer by mirko · · Score: 5, Funny

    So what gets dropped

    Half of the staff. :-/

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  11. Re:So what... by ThogScully · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have TopGun SSH on my Visorphone which would work fine on a Treo at higher speeds (GPRS) if I could afford one. I have been able to remotely administer my servers out of near disasters before. What is your point? -N

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  12. Returning to the fold? by Malfourmed · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I don't pretent to know my PDA history but wasn't Handspring founded by the guys who created the Palm Pilot in the first place?

    Doesn't this make the order of things something like:

    1. Guys invent Palm Pilot
    2. US Robotics buy out guys - guys make money
    3. 3Com buys out US Robotics - guys make money
    4. 3Com spins off Palm as separate company - guys make money
    5. Guys leave Palm, undoubtedly with money, start up Handspring
    6. Palm buys Handspring - guys make money
    BTW I'm using the term "guys" generically, I think at least one of the key people was female.
    1. Re:Returning to the fold? by DivideByZero · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's the most interesting way of spelling Donna Dubinsky and Jeff Hawkins that I've ever seen... Or are you changing the names to protect the innocent, Mr. Webb?

  13. Re:So what... by NMerriam · · Score: 4, Informative

    Until they have SSH clients and proper wireless access, the point is moot anyway.

    Huh? how many SSH clients do you need?

    It isn't enough that the offer GSM, CDMA, Bluetooth, and 802.11? What other form of wireless are you looking for -- telepathy?

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  14. Springboard by Lxy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm pissed that the springboard slot has been discontinued from Handspring models. I bought mine specifically because of the slot, and I've got several attachments for it. It's by far the most economical way to upgrade a PDA, and they scrapped it. My hope would be that Palm returns the Handspring slot, but I kind of doubt they will.

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  15. Can see the headlines now... by SysPig · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Palm Springs For Sale"

    There's a way to freak out about a gazillion old folks...

  16. Re:let's face it by Fringe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, we have two ipaqs and two Palms. My daily driver is a Palm IIIc, a 20MHz 8MB 160x160 psuedo-antique, while the much newer, faster, hi-rez, 32MB iPaqs sit unused. (The wife has the Zire 71.)

    The short answer is, I want what works best on the road for on-the-fly PDA functions. That's Palm. Not Linux, not WinCE, just Palm. And I say this as a developer for all three, whose current day-job is embedded Linux and who has done commercial WinCE work.

    The same thing you like about Linux over Windows (excepting open-source, i.e. efficiency, lack of bloat), you dislike about Palm over Linux. It's a specialized system for a specialized purpose, and it works exceptionally well for that. One OS is not ideal for every platform and application!

  17. Palm/Handspring timeline by dsandler · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually, the official press release contains a nice summary timeline:

    1995 - U.S. Robotics purchases Palm, Inc.

    1996 - Palm introduces the PalmPilot 1000 and 5000 organizers.

    1997 - 3Com purchases U.S. Robotics

    1998 - Hawkins, Dubinsky and Colligan leave Palm to create Handspring

    2000 - Palm executes an Initial Public Offering, separating from 3Com

    2001 - Palm begins building separate businesses

    * Todd Bradley named Palm Solutions executive vice president and chief operating officer (June 1)
    * Palm announces plans to create OS subsidiary (July 27)
    * Palm OS subsidiary acquires assets and talent from Be, Inc. (Aug. 16)
    * David Nagel is named Palm OS subsidiary president and chief executive officer (Aug. 27)

    2002 - Palm further builds on two businesses

    * OS subsidiary creation completed (Jan. 1)
    * Bradley promoted to president and chief operating officer of Palm Solutions (May 2)
    * OS subsidiary named PalmSource
    * PalmSource names founding board of directors (June 24)
    * Bradley named Palm Solutions chief executive officer (June 25)
    * Palm Solutions and PalmSource move to separate campuses (August)
    * Sony invests $20 million in PalmSource, marking first outside investment (Oct. 8)
    * PalmSource adds four new licensees in year
    * IRS approves the spin-off as tax-free for U.S. citizens' federal income-tax purposes (December)

    2003 - Palm announces plans to acquire Handspring

  18. Re:Anybody that thinks they *need* a PDA..... by sean000 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Are you kidding? Most of my life I was one of those types who wrote things I needed to remember down on random pieces of paper that I shoved in my pocket, lost on my desk, threw away by accident, etc. I lack organizational skills, have a hard time remembering things, and I like gadgets. I tried carrying a paper & pen organizer in college. It worked okay, but I had a hard time finding notes I had written... was it two weeks ago or two months ago? With a PDA I can jot random notes and find them later in an instant with the search feature. I can have all the same addresses in my computer for e-mail and in my PDA for when I need to send a package from the post office. With the calendar, task list, and reminders I no longer suffer from as much anxiety about what I'm forgetting. Plus I've got a pocket calculator, pocket games, free databases that include conversion charts, drink recipes, a basic Spanish dictionary, and anything else I decide to download. Not bad for a hundred bucks. The Handspring Visor Deluxe was the best PDA I ever owned for the money. I had been using a PocketPC on loan from the office, but switched back to the Handspring soon after. The PocketPC was neat, but it just doesn't handle the simple organizational stuff as well.

  19. A Special Kind of Moron You Are by NDPTAL85 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wow! They really broke the mold when they created you didn't they!?!

    Listen up. The IT (tech) industry is the only industry thats designed to minimize and or eliminiate ITSELF. From the printing press to the cotton gin to the airplane to the computer to the PDA, each technological advance allows mankind to do the same amount of work or more with less people/workers/employees.

    Simply put, Handspring is screwing up. They need to be bought or they're out of business. THe only reason to buy them is to gain marketshare and cut expenses. Whenever companies merge there are always redundancies. You don't even know if all of those 125 workers will be tech workers. But does a company really need duplicate anything? Do they need 8 office admins if they previously did fine with 4? Do they need two cooks if they only had 1 before? The same goes for programmers or netadmins. They don't need anymore of those.

    Contrary to your idiotic claims there are NOT always alternatives to laying off people. If you are redundant, than you're redundant. Should they keep you on and pay you to sweep the floors instead of eliminating your position? Thats worse than unwise, its insulting.

    Perhaps Hewlet-Packard should have just kept bleeding money. Because obviously executive pay always makes the difference. When a company is losing billions of dollars the millions paid out to the top brass REALLY makes a difference eh?

    Do you think the technology industry is special or something? That workers in this industry are a special breed of citizen deserving of protections others do not receive? This is what happens to EVERY maturing industry. Consolidation and elimination of redundancies.

    DEAL.

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  20. Re:Anybody that thinks they *need* a PDA..... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Informative

    One of my favorite uses for the Palm Pilot is reading. For example, if you go to Baen.com you'll see many popular books for download FREE! And if you like the free ones, you can pay for electronic copies of later ones in the series. For example, I loved the Honor Harrington "On Basilisk Station", so I started buying the books. Soon I found it easier to buy the electronic versions and read those on my CLIE. Baen even included a CD with the latest Honor book that contains EVERY HONOR BOOK EVER MADE in electronic form! Combine that with the low price of electronic books bought online (4-5 dollars per) and you have convienence at its finest.