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Why Johnny Can't Handwrite

theodp writes "Handwriting experts fear that the wild popularity of e-mail and IM, particularly among kids, could erase cursive within a few decades. With 90 percent of Americans between the ages of 5 and 17 using computers, it's not uncommon for kids to type 20-30 WPM by the time they leave elementary school. Keyboards, joysticks and cell-phone touch pads have ruined kids' ability to hold a pencil properly, let alone write legibly, says the former president of the International Association of Master Penmen, Engrossers and Teachers of Handwriting."

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  1. Thumbs by Phroggy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I heard something on the BBC about IM on mobile phones becoming so popular in the UK that the next generation will be using their thumbs to do things we would use our index finger for, like ringing a doorbell. I already don't write in cursive, although I did learn in school and could probably manage if I really wanted to try.

    If you want kids to be able to write by hand, you just have to force them to do it in school. If you let them type everything, they will. Of course, this isn't likely to happen on a wide scale; educators don't get paid enough to care.

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    1. Re:Thumbs by dtldl · · Score: 5, Funny

      IM on mobile phones being sms text messages which havent caught on in the US, and not long ago, I was forced to do repetative excercises using "joined up" letters so I could write cursively. But whether digitally or on paper, I still prefer writing cursingly than cursively.

    2. Re:Thumbs by shivianzealot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you want kids to be able to write by hand, you just have to force them to do it in school. If you let them type everything, they will.

      A good point if it were plainly beneficial, but really, we'd only be teaching kids to handwrite for the sake of handwriting.

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    3. Re:Thumbs by Ed+Avis · · Score: 5, Insightful

      One word: exams. If you're still writing individual letters separately by the time you sit written exams, you'll write at about half the speed of someone with good joined-up handwriting. In essay subjects it really helps to churn out long answers as fast as possible, and even in subjects with short answers it doesn't hurt.

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    4. Re:Thumbs by CAIMLAS · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's what pisses me off about college - you don't get any reward for conceiseness or clearly thought-out answers. So what if you can answer an essay question better than everyone else, in half as much space - the exam is to write a 2 page essay, in class, with a pen/pencil, on X or Y topic or idea.

      I have a feeling that this is the doing of governmental regulation agencies.

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    5. Re:Thumbs by ibennetch · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Bah. When I took the SATs in high school (about 5 years ago) they made us write -- in cursive -- a paragraph stating essentially that we were who we claimed to be and that we weren't cheating. Several of my friends -- and me -- had a lot of trouble with this because we hadn't used cursive in so long we forgot it. And this wasn't because of computers, we were high school kids who constantly took notes in class, wrote assignments and whatnot; it's just that we all printed rather than using cursive

      Personally, I had bad handwriting long before I used computers regularly and stopped using cursive as soon as possible (they make you write things in cursive in elementary school and sometimes in middle school; but I didn't hvae to at all in high school).

      My point? Only that good penmanship and the ability to remember how to write cursive may be dying, but not because of computers. I hated cursive and it actually was slower for me than "plain old" printing.

  2. And this is a problem ... why, exactly? by Chip+Salzenberg · · Score: 5, Funny
    Oh, heavens! The ability to properly illuminate latin texts is probably dying out as well. However shall we cope?

    I'd really be concerned if our spelling and math were slipping. Um, hold on a minute....

  3. Times change by esampson · · Score: 5, Funny

    And in related news, experts at the United States Center for Equestrian Activities have grown increasingly concerned that the automobile will cause a sharp reduction in the horse riding skills of the average American.

  4. Odd attitude by greg_barton · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the article:

    "The truth is, boys and girls, even if you write a lot of e-mail on the computer, you will always need to write things down on paper at some point in your life," Boell says. "The letters you write to people are beautiful, and they'll cherish them forever. Have any of you ever received an e-mail that you cherished?"

    I find this attitude strange. I have years of old e-mails saved. I cherish many of them, and rereading them brings back memories. I have the first e-mails I got from my girlfriend (going to be my wife soon) and they're saved in my USB keychain. (We met online, too!)

    I know that's hokey, sentimental stuff, but it's true. You can have an emotional attachment to an e-mail. In the end, it's not the media, but (to coin a cliche) it's the thought that counts.

  5. Re:Who cares? by garcia · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I perhaps grew up in a middle generation. We were taught cursive but it was never really enforced after 4th or 5th grade.

    I had been typing papers since the 2nd grade (on my C64 baby in GEOS Works or something) and could never find a valid reason for me to use cursive other than Mrs. Soandso said to.

    Cursive is ugly, useless, and difficult to read.

    I think that in the future EVERYONE should be forced to type everything.

    AIM is destroying another MORE important part of writing. Grammar, sentence structure, and spelling.

    Nothing
    like
    having this
    show up on
    your screen every
    time you talk to
    someone.

    Page length requirements on papers are going to be multiplied by 100 due to that :)

    Just my worthless rambling.

  6. Umm by shirameroix · · Score: 5, Funny

    "International Association of Master Penmen, Engrossers and Teachers of Handwriting"

    Wow... there is such an organization? Oh man, I thought that I was a dork...

  7. What Cursive? by man_ls · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The last time I used cursive was taking the SATs. I had to copy the honor pledge in cursive and sign it.

    I ended up just printing it and going back and connecting the letters randomly because it was so much faster and looked plausable enough anyways -- better than taking the time to try and write proper cursive.

    Even my signature is *barely* cursive...only about half of the letters are real "cursive" letters, and maybe 2-3 of the connections are done properly. And I don't even have a very long name...it's 8 letters total in my signature, first AND last names.

  8. That's scary. by WalterDGeranios · · Score: 5, Funny
    Keyboards, joysticks and cell-phone touch pads have ruined kids' ability to hold a pencil properly

    That's funny. Is the reverse true? Do people that can properly hold pencils mash cell phone keypads, pull keys off keyboards, and gnaw on joysticks?

  9. Re:Who cares? by micromoog · · Score: 5, Funny
    Grammar, sentence structure, and spelling.

    Please diagram that sentence for me.

  10. So...? by TamMan2000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    educators don't get paid enough to care

    Should they even care? I really fail to understand how this is a bad thing. I learned cursive in school but don't use it anymore, because I can type faster and print more far legibly... the only thing that I use cursive for is my signature. And I don't miss it one bit.

    Students today need cursive to succeed in society about as much as I need Morse code to listen to NPR during drive time... They are both skills that will be kept up by small numbers of enthusiasts, and society at large will have only a passing knowledge of the subject, and will be no worse off for it...

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    1. Re:So...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
      An interesting point though, cursive is basically used for about 3 years in Elementary school, and then for signatures. Will we continue teaching cursive simply for the sake of signatures? Or will we start seeing printed signatures, or just give up on the concept entirely?

      The concept of the signature as identification seems rather silly to me anyway. My signature varies tremendously, and lately I don't even really bother finishing my name.

    2. Re:So...? by Coz · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's not that they don't care - it's not on a standardized test. "Penmanship" is not something the No Child Left Behind Act requires; neither is memorizing Latin verse. Just as one has gone the way of the dodo, so is the other going, for sheer pragmatic reasons of budget and schedule. What else could the valuable class time be used for, if you drop penmanship?

      BTW, my local public school system dropped it altogether from the elementary curriculum several years back - apart from a few predictable hysterical letters to the editor, gone in a week, nobody noticed.

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  11. In other news... by Thud457 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Worldwide cuneriform literacy down 99.999999999%!

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  12. I don't doubt it... by Faust7 · · Score: 5, Funny
    the next generation will be using their thumbs to do things we would use our index finger for,

    ...especially if more people start thinking like my girlfriend.

  13. This is just another attempt by leko · · Score: 5, Funny

    to keep the left-handed man down! Don't listen to this handwriting propaganda. Typing sets you free!

  14. Printed signatures by brianosaurus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    By the time I'd reached high school I had given up writing in cursive. Too many loops, too messy, too hard to read. I didn't see the point. I don't think I was old enough that I was signing things yet.

    At some point when I had to start signing things, I would just sign printed. It was fine for a while, btu at some point someone told me I had to write it in cursive. I said, "but then its not my signature." They disagreed and said it legally had to be in cursive. I said, "well that's stupid," then proceeded to labor through trying to write my name in cursive (just for kicks, I asked the person to show me how to write a capital G so I could make a legal signature).

    After that my signature diminished to my first and last initials with little squiggly lines after each. You know, like celebrities sign autographs...

    Last year when I was signing papers to buy my house, I signed the first page and the notary almost had a fit. She said I couldn't sign that way or it wouldn't be legal. I protested for a bit, but she wouldn't budge, and she was the one with the stamp, so i reluctantly labored through it again for a few pages, then slowly reverted back to my regular signature (so many pages!).

    Signatures are supposed to be personal, like fingerprints. The way I sign my name is supposed to be unique to me. If Joe Dumbass Lawyer can't read my signature, that shouldn't matter. If someone were to hold up a page with my alleged signature, and I can't identify it as mine (or it doesn't match my signature on other documents), it shouldn't be legally binding. For someone to instruct me that I have to use proper penmanship for it to be legal is ridiculous.

    But i digress.

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  15. Why I Prefer Both Cursive and Typing by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Firstly some background:

    I learned cursive writing in the regular Canadian school system. Back in my grade 4-6 days I was always getting bad marks on cursive writing so my parents requested that the school give me extra exercises on that subject. As a result, I developed very legible, artful cursive writing. It's many years later now and I'm in university (Engineering), but if I pick up a nice Sanford Uni-Ball Vision Micro pen, I can still do it.

    I am also a serious user of typing. As a side effect of learning the alphabet through computer games (thanks to a techie dad), I learned to type before I learned to do regular printing in grade 1. Another side effect was that early on, I could type the alphabet but not know how to pronounce any of the letters. Even as I was learning to write cursively, I could type much more rapidly and accurately than people twice my age: 30 wpm by age 6, 50 wpm by age 12, now 100+ wpm in university (assuming I'm in the groove where I can think at 100 wpm.)

    Why I prefer Cursive:

    Cursive writing is more of an artform to me as well as a tool to enforce certain frames of mind. If I am in a class that requires right brain thought (typically anything that requires critical thought in relation to someone else's non-technical writing) I will use the cursive. It helps keep me in the right-brained frame of mind. My thoughts flow onto the page. When I write something in cursive, it's flowing onto a piece of paper from my pen. It's written there in stone and you can't erase it. (No, white-out does not count.) What I have written there is a reflection of myself that is expressed through words and the physical characteristics of what I have put down onto the paper. Because cursive is like art, a lot more thought goes into what I stroke down onto the paper. It makes me think at a higher level and use my brain more effectively.

    And Now The Case For Typing:

    Typing is incredibly useful to me because of its utility and flexibility. As the girl in the article mentioned, you can easily fix mistakes with a backspace ( or ^H ;-). The main benefit of typing is that whatever you create is infinitely replicable. If your dog eats your homework, you print off another copy. It can be instantly formatted, transmitted, stored, replicated, processed and so on. The difference between handwriting and typing is like the difference between a Band's Live Performance and the CD. You can't perfectly duplicate that piece of paper with your personal pen strokes on it. But you can copy that OpenOffice file to a web server. (And yes, I do use OO.org.)

    The main thing that you lose with typing is the separation of personal effort from the results of that effort. You don't see the emotion and streaks of ink on your word processor. It's the difference between sending a "Blue Mountain E-Card" where you personally wrote the greeting for someone's birthday, and sending a Personally Written Hallmark Card with the same greeting. The effort and thoughtfulness comes through with physical card but not the e-card.

    The Moral of the Story. (According To Me, Anyway.)

    I say that the typing separates emotion/effort from content but with the added value of making something highly utilitarian. You can't replicate the paper, but that makes it all the more precious.

    I say that the purposes for writing and typing do not entirely overlap, and thus neither will cancel out the other any time soon.

  16. You still need handwriting in much of Asia. by MtViewGuy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'll say this: in much of Asia handwriting skills are still important.

    This is especially true in China and Japan, where both languages uses thousands of unique characters for the written language. Because of this situation, these two languages are not easily adopted for computer use, though the Japanese have tried with special keyboards and the JIS, Shift-JIS and EUC character sets. Is it small wonder why low-coast fax machines first took off in popularity in Asia, because it was in many ways faster to write up a handwritten note in Japanese and fax it to another location than to use a Japanese language keyboard to create the characters and then send the message electronically?

    Besides, writing Chinese and Japanese characters is still considered a revered art form in Asia. That's why a lot of art exhibitions in China and Japan show the masterful art of calligraphy, especially writing characters with brushes.

  17. Good Riddance by CAIMLAS · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Cursive writing was invented, to the best of my knowledge, in order to speed up the ordeal of getting things on paper; for most people, writing out each letter is tediously slow. "Lettering" (such as that found in fancy documents, ala The Declaration of Independence) was relegated to more formal tasks, while today's "text" was for labeling things, ease of use understanding, and every-day use (such as on signs and notes on the washboard for Mom).

    Now, with a nearly universal advent of computers, there's little need for 'cursive', as you can type many, many times faster and more legibly than you can write in cursive. Cursive is an anachronism.

    Personally, I'm glad cursive is on its way out. In grade school, I always hated it - I could write faster with my handwriting (which was more of a script anyway, but it wasn't "cursive"), and would cramp my hand like a mofo. As soon as they stopped forcing us to use it, I was done and through with it. Now I use it for is my name, relegating any handwriting to either palm grafiti (on paper, yes - at least something closely approximating it) for my own personal scribblings, or simple engineer's lettering (those of you that don't know what that is, it's basically blocky, all-capital letters).

    If you need something fancy, that's what laserjets are for. Sure, there's still room for things like caligraphy, but that sure as hell isn't cursive.

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  18. I'm sorry by Trepidity · · Score: 5, Funny

    We read slashdot, so we did not get your joke. You'll have to explain.

  19. "Cursive" writing should be abandoned by nekron-99 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    American cursive writing was created by the American educational system. The cursive script was taken from script from a silver engraver. Somehow this style of writing was adopted by the American educational system as the standard. Unfortunately, this style of writing is awkward and unnatural. Originally, Europeans wrote in a script called "italic". It was based on a writing style from Italian monks who perfected ergonomic writing thru years of transcribing manuscripts. This style is marked by curves and ligatures that are more natural to a human's style of writing. Studies have shown that people who forget the cursive style that they learned in school and gravitiate to what comes natural starting with printing as a base, write much faster and more legibly than those who adhere to the "cursive" style forced on them in school. I myself, after years of illegible handwriting, researched this and came across some wonderful books about he subject. These are: "Write Now" and "Italic Letters". These books opened my eyes to what I had intuitively come to realize: American cursive is unnatural and slow and people who define their own styles using natural human tendencies write more legibly and faster. I hope someday, that students will be taught the ergonomic "italic" style of writing in schools. They will learn to write much faster with less effort. I still remember in 5th grade a boy who had handwriting that looked like a seismigraph. The teacher would get so frustrated with him because he wouldn't write the traditional "American cursive" way. The teacher ended up giving him an "F" in writing. This is just ridiculous. Teachers should let children write in a style that is natural to each individual child instead of forcing them into an ornate, complicated, unnatural way of writing.