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Anandtech Dissects The New iPod

oDDmON oUT writes "Anandtech dissects the new version of Apple's iPod in this review. Everything is given a thorough going over, complete with photos. While not revelatory, consider this the must-have addition to the manual."

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  1. No mention of other media formats supported. by Dolemite_the_Wiz · · Score: 0, Troll

    According to the Article, only MP3 and AAC are supported.

    There's no mention of Windows Media, SHN, WAV, or Audible.com's formats being able to work on this iPod. Not too exciting if MP3 and AAC are the only formats supported.

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    1. Re:No mention of other media formats supported. by Mark+Hood · · Score: 4, Informative

      Just got mine, and I'm delighted with it.

      Re sound formats, a quick check of Apple's site would have told you that on a Mac it does support AAC (16 to 320 Kbps), MP3 (32 to 320 Kbps), MP3 VBR, Audible, AIFF, and WAV. Windows users (poor saps ;) only get MP3 (32 to 320 Kbps), MP3 VBR, and WAV.

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    2. Re:No mention of other media formats supported. by gidds · · Score: 2

      How come the platform difference, considering there's only one version of the iPod, which works on both platforms?

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    3. Re:No mention of other media formats supported. by Mark+Hood · · Score: 4, Informative

      Quicktime. That and iTunes.

      iTunes is built around Quicktime, so when they released AAC coding in Quicktime, iTunes could immediately do it. The iPod will play anything you can throw at it - I'm sure if you can get Audible tracks or AAC audio into MusicMatch, and then onto the iPod, it'll be happy - but good luck!

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    4. Re:No mention of other media formats supported. by andrewski · · Score: 1

      Audible.com works, WAV works, and you'd have to be a blithering idiot to archive music in WMP format.

      Not too exctiting, that is, unless you are a Mac user.

    5. Re:No mention of other media formats supported. by Dolemite_the_Wiz · · Score: 1

      Not too exciting when:

      1) I want an MP3 player to listen to SHN's I've archived. MP3's are far inferior to most other audio formats on the market today.

      2)The review, and this is why I worded my initial response so dryly, takes no care or interest into making notes about what level of audiophile would be interested in the new iPod.
      If you weren't familiar with iPods and read this review, you wouldn't be too excited about purchasing one. Would you?

      I'm sure this may be a great product but the review didn't sell me on this player.

      I'm looking for a player to replace My Otis and I haven't found one that compares as of yet. It's not the best portable audio player on the market but it works for me at the moment.

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    6. Re:No mention of other media formats supported. by andrewski · · Score: 1

      If you are turly interested in quality, you would have .WAVs or AIFFs of everything anyway. The file formats supported are just done so in software, so new ones can and are added with upgrades of the firmware.

  2. Cradle by Traderdot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The best thing about the redesigned iPod is the cradle instead of plugging in a firewire cable. This is a more consumer friendly idea, like the cradle for Kodak digital cameras.

    1. Re:Cradle by Mark+Hood · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's worth noting that the firewire cable plugs into the dock, and then the iPod sits in the dock.

      If you prefer, you can forget the dock, and just plug the cable right into the bottom of the iPod - the connector's the same. The only addition in the dock is a line-out port.

      Plus you get a power adaptor which simply turns the local power plug into a firewire socket... so you can power the dock or the iPod while you're away from your Mac, whichever you prefer. I might get a spare dock for work, even though I can't plug it into my PC, just to let my iPod stand on the desk rather than lying there all forlorn...

      All in all, it's a very sensible design - I know a lot of companies that'd have the power adaptor built into the dock & require a firewire and power connection to use it, and three different cable connectors :)

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    2. Re:Cradle by capmilk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'd rather say the cradle is a bad thing. All I needed to hook up my 5 GB iPod at work was a cheap Firewire cable.

      Not sure if you can buy separate cradles (and matching cables), but I'd bet they are not cheap.

    3. Re:Cradle by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 1

      If you spent a few seconds at Apple's website, you'd know that you can get a cable to plug in directly.

    4. Re:Cradle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $40. You can find it by going through the iPod buy screens, then clicking on the dock icon when it shows the accessories page.

    5. Re:Cradle by troc · · Score: 1

      so you have an ipod then?

      ooh you joined the cult^h^h^hlan then ;)

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    6. Re:Cradle by Mark+Hood · · Score: 1

      It's not a cult - it's a very shiny, flashy, lickable toy....

      Mark 'Poisoned Kool-Aid' Hood

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  3. not just yet by ionyka · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I got a second gen iPod for this past Christmas, and though its not the new line, im still really happy with it (10g). The new ones have some really nice features, like the backlight buttons, a thinner overall casing, the dock which is a very nice addition to its accessories. But, its still not enough for me to trade mine in. These are the firsts of a basically brand new line, and firsts always come with problems. I think it will take another release or two for me to trade mine in.

    1. Re:not just yet by Dylan+Zimmerman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, with the second generation iPods, you don't NEED backlit buttons.

      I find all of the buttons on my iPod by feel alone. I probably wouldn't be able to use the new one nearly as effectively as I can use my Gen 2. Just yesterday, I was navigating my playlists in my pocket. I doubt that the new iPods have buttons that I could even feel through my pocket, let alone reliably press.

      In my opinnion, the dock is just another port to clog with dirt. I haven't seen a new iPod in person yet, but if the dock port doesn't have a cover of some sort, I would expect it to fill with dirt rather quickly.

    2. Re:not just yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, with the second generation iPods, you don't NEED backlit buttons.

      You don't really need them on the new one, either. But they don't hurt anything. Just because YOU don't need them doesn't mean nobody else does. From the sound of it, YOU don't even need the screen. Yay for you!

      Just yesterday, I was navigating my playlists in my pocket. I doubt that the new iPods have buttons that I could even feel through my pocket, let alone reliably press.

      The new buttons are touch-sensitive, just like the wheel. So, yeah, they don't have a tactile response, but they do give an audible 'click' through the headphones. If you've got it in your pocket, I'd assume that you've got headphones on too. I don't think you'd have any trouble with them.

      In my opinnion, the dock is just another port to clog with dirt. I haven't seen a new iPod in person yet, but if the dock port doesn't have a cover of some sort, I would expect it to fill with dirt rather quickly.

      Apple isn't stupid. It comes with two covers for the dock port, in case you lose one. I wouldn't worry too much about dirt anyway. It's just like any other port on a laptop or something. , not any more likely to get dirty. If you're really afraid, just keep it in a case or something. It comes with two different ones anyway.

    3. Re:not just yet by Zixia · · Score: 1

      I doubt that the new iPods have buttons that I could even feel through my pocket, let alone reliably press.

      I got my new iPod at the weekend, and am already using the scroll wheel and buttons through my pockets to control my music and change the volume.

      Each button is in an individual depression, as is the scroll wheel, making them easy to find, and they respond well enough to presses through the material of my trousers.

    4. Re:not just yet by Dylan+Zimmerman · · Score: 1

      OK. As long as they aren't flush with the surface, they should be much more useable. The pictures that I had seen of it seemed to indicate a totally flat face, and that would make it awfully hard to actually use the thing.

    5. Re:not just yet by morcheeba · · Score: 1

      The problem with the new buttons is that they are two sensitive - you can't find them by feel easily because you'll accidently press one. The old ones you could touch and feel before deciding to press.

      If apple gives you two covers, then that proves bad design. It means that they acknowledge you'll probably lose at least one. If you bought a car and it came with an extra steering wheel "just in case the original one falls off", you'd be worried, wouldn't you?

      I love the old design (I have it) - standard port, built in cover, tactile buttons. The smaller size of the new ones is cool, but I'm not disappointed that I don't have the latest-and-greatest.

  4. ipoding.com did it first. by nilepoc · · Score: 4, Informative

    For more photos, see
    http://www.ipoding.com/
    and look under the new ipod section. They have also taken apart the dock, and figured out where the line in and out are, as well as the USB 2.0, and Firewire leads in then plug.

    Also thier photos are labled and show case details that are not covered in this review.

  5. A mistake in the review by Gil+Da+Janus · · Score: 2, Informative
    They insist that the price of the USB 2.0 cable is $40 - bull - it is $20 - no fact checking - if a basic fact like this is wrong, what else is wrong?

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  6. Re:Difference in media formats Mac Vs Windows by Spyritus · · Score: 2, Informative

    There is no difference as far as the iPod is concerned, except that the only Apple supported way of getting music onto the iPod (MusicMatch) only supports MP3 and WAV. If you use some other way f putting the files onto the iPod you could use all the same formats as on the Mac.

  7. Very PC-Centric Review by Mark+Hood · · Score: 4, Informative

    Which is fine, but they say 'you can't sync Contacts, Calendars or Notes automatically' without commenting that you can using OS X.

    iSync'll take care of the first two (and very well). You can do notes manually, or there's a lot of OS X apps which'll do it for you - Pod2Go is a good one, which scrapes news, weather etc off the web and slaps it into notes. There are others, but there's also a new Interactive Fiction thing under development, so the opportunities are endless.

    I'm quite sure some enterprising PC developer will code up something similar, if they haven't already, but for once it's nice to be ahead of the crowd as a Mac User :)

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    1. Re:Very PC-Centric Review by andrewski · · Score: 1

      Apple doesn't advertise this, but there is about a 5k file size limit for notes.

      I was hoping to put the Apache manual in there, but it won't fit.

      Well, maybe in the next firmware update...

    2. Re:Very PC-Centric Review by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is to be expected; Anandtech is an x86 site. They cover the iPod only because it's available for Windows and is a VERY widely-used device. Their review target is their own x86-using readers.

  8. surprisingly... by Gizzmonic · · Score: 4, Funny

    Anandtech makes no mention of how many frames per second that the iPod scores in Quake III. They are running the risk of alienating their core audience!

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    1. Re:surprisingly... by byolinux · · Score: 0

      ...Imagine a BeoWulf Cluster of these...

    2. Re:surprisingly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anandtech makes no mention of how many frames per second that the iPod scores in Quake III. They are running the risk of alienating their core audience.

      Sad, but true. I remember when Anandtech wasn't like that. It sucks so much now.

    3. Re:surprisingly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      geez, that site went downt the crapper. banner on the left in their forums, must be trying to get rid of the AOL kiddies that are all too common on that site

  9. Weak article. by ubikkibu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Anand clearly has never touched a Mac, nor wants to. So he's missing out on the simple beauty of iTunes 4 and an iPod. If the article had been titled "iPod for Windows users," it would have made more sense.

    And what's with the swapped picture captions: "new unit on right, old on left." Match it to the picture.

    And I'll be damned if Arkanoid was the "original arcade version" of Wozniak's Breakout. Children need to research a bit more.

    1. Re:Weak article. by mbbac · · Score: 1

      Don't you mean Job's Breakout? ;)

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    2. Re:Weak article. by tchueh · · Score: 1

      Is there really a need for the title of the article to include "Windows users" when the audience to his website are infact, windows users?

    3. Re:Weak article. by PetWolverine · · Score: 1

      When you're talking about a product as Mac-centric as the iPod, yes. You can't make unqualified complaints about missing features if the only reason those features are "missing" is that you're using a different platform from the one the product is really intended for. That would be like complaining that MS Word won't launch, and failing to mention that you're using Linux.

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    4. Re:Weak article. by ruprechtjones · · Score: 1

      Don't you mean Job's Breakout? ;)

      The sad part is, Jobs made $7000 from Atari for bringing Breakout to completion, and he gave the Woz $350 (who did ALL the work). I think it was his first little back-stabbing move, I'm still not sure when Woz found out about this.

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    5. Re:Weak article. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The iPod IS intended for Windows. Or did you miss all of Apple's advertising?

      Anandtech is an x86-centric site, primarily Windows, and reviewing the iPod for its own readers. Judging the iPod in that context alone is quite acceptable. It's not Anandtech's fault that Slashdot linked it, with no commentary on the site's primary audience.

  10. Compare? by Komarosu · · Score: 1

    I like all the old/new comparisons....just they seem a bit silly. Eg: the headphones, the "new" ones also came with the v1.5 iPods (as i call em, the slighly slimmed and increased size versions). Also the processor is the same one just a newer revision...

    Another is the software review, how about EphPod? a free Windows iPod manager? seems a little restricted view on the iPod imho... possibly this review was wrote not by a avid user of one but someone who just managed to get his hands on 2 spare iPods...

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    1. Re:Compare? by Dylan+Zimmerman · · Score: 1

      The touch-wheel iPods are the second generation.

      The second gen iPods came with

      - the iPod unit
      - a set of second gen earbud headphones
      - two sets of grey covers for the earbuds
      - the wired remote control*
      - a 6-pin to 4-pin Firewire adapter
      - an AC adapter
      - a 2 meter 6-pin to 6-pin Firewire cable
      - a cloth carrying case*
      - a rigid carrying case*
      - a CD containing MusicMatch Jukebox and various other iPod related software

      The * denotes items that only come with the 10/20GB units.

      I really like EphPod. It's much better than MMJB.

  11. You must be kidding by soramimicake · · Score: 5, Informative
    The new firmware also comes with a couple of new games; back from the original iPod is breakout (called "Brick" for some reason), which is a toned down version of the arcade original - Arkanoid.
    Arkanoid the original? Atari's Breakout predates Arkanoid by years. And that Atari game have, shall we say, some ties with the company that brings you the iPod.

    BTW, there was a version of it on the Apple ][ as well.

  12. Late news by Izanagi · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I read this last week.

    Man, where has the "you heard it here first" gone?

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  13. Lack of x86 support a disadvantage? by coolgeek · · Score: 4, Insightful
    To quote the article: Unfortunately, the biggest limitation for Apple's computers continues to be the lack of x86 support, thus preventing all of this stylish hardware from being used on over two decades of the largest software user base.

    Gee, I thought that was *the* most fortunate advantage of the Mac platform.

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    1. Re:Lack of x86 support a disadvantage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That comment is misleading in the way that most people read it. His phrasing was odd.

      Try putting the last part first, and you'll get the drift -- the largest software user base in existence can't use Apple's computers.

      The comment isn't about the hardware really; it's about the software userbase.

  14. Some users reporting problems by Van+Halen · · Score: 4, Informative
    I've had my 30 GB iPod for a little over 2 weeks now, and I absolutely love it. Finally I have access to my entire CD collection (over 320 CDs) wherever and whenever I want! But that said, it's not without its problems. This thread at Apple's discussion boards seems to hit most of them. The only ones I've had personally are the clicking between tracks and channel swapping when seeking through a track. Not nearly as bad as what some people have experienced, but it can be annoying.

    ThinkSecret keeps predicting an iPod firmware update but apparently it keeps getting pushed back. Perhaps Apple is having a lot of problems with this one. When it does finally come out, hopefully it'll not only add the USB 2.0 support, but fix most of these issues.

  15. Re:Weak article: Breakout, baby by ubikkibu · · Score: 2, Informative

    > Don't you mean Job's Breakout?

    No, unless I miss your joke.

    Wozniak reportedly took Atari's Breakout to the Apple ][. See:
    http://ei.cs.vt.edu/~history/WOZNIAK.HTM

    "Wozniak said that a lot of reasons that made the Apple II standout where due to a game, Breakout, which he had designed in hardware form for Atari. He had wanted to program Breakout in software. Since Wozniak had written the Basic interpreter, a program that translates the instruction to machine language, he was easily able to. When he got the first stage of Breakout working he had a ball bouncing around on the screen he then decided to add sound so he added speakers. From there he needed paddles so he invented a minimum- chip paddle circuit. Wozniak and Randy Wigginton made a very simple disk operating system that would only load files from fixed locations off the disk in response to one-letter commands. Their rudimentary control program would not be flexible enough for efficient and simple use of the disk drive. Designing a disk operating system, DOS, was a lot of effort because on one side is the RAM memory in the Apple II, waiting patiently for a useful program to be loaded and executed and on the other side of an electronic bridge (interface card and connecting cable) are the floppy disk and disk drive hardware itself. The control program that Woz wrote could be compared to a narrow rope bridgecrossing a chasm; it works, but you can't carry much with you, and it is easy to lose data. Woz's "rope bridge" was a foundation, but after much work Apple came out with DOS 3.1 which completed the ground work (Wyehrich). The Apple II had built in circuitry allowing it to interface directly to a color video monitor or a television set through add-ons. With all this technology built into the Apple II the only thing left to do was to introduce it and see what the world thought."

  16. Re:sig by Triv · · Score: 1

    RE: your sig - To be fair, apart from Prescott Bush's pseudo-involvement in German industry, he was also the only member of Congress to stand up to Joe McCarthy's HUAC proposal. Not saying he was an angel but he doesn't sound like much of a Nazi sympathiser either.

    I also couldn't find any...reputable...sources to back you up. No established newspapers, no college publications or anything close. Certainly not anything cited or researched.

    I did, however, find articles that refute you, like this one. Unlike all the other things I read through, this one is well documented and cited.

    What you're implying might be true, might not be, but it looks like, according to what information I can find, your story's better off labelled as Propoganda. You're welcome to try to prove me wrong.

    Triv

  17. Re:Weak article: Breakout, baby by mbbac · · Score: 1

    Woz never worked for Atari. Jobs did. Jobs worked on Breakout and got help on the side from Woz.

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  18. change your tagline... by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 1

    Wozniak did not design Atari's "Breakout." In the lab, "Breakout" had too many chips which would've made it expensive to produce. Nolan Bushnell gave Steve Jobs the task of reducing as many chips needed as possible, and Jobs received a $1000 bonus for every chip eliminated. Jobs turned around and hired Woz to reduce the chips for him at a fraction of the cost and the lure of playing "Night Driver" for free at night. Arkanoid did rip off "Breakout"/"Super Breakout", but they did not rip off Woz...

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