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NASA's Cool Robot of the Week

S.Bartfarst writes "NASA's Cool Robot of the Week (which apparently is about a month long) has produced a huge spike of activity on our web page from .gov and .mil domains. Most interesting are a long series of hits from uspto.gov. Maybe looking for "prior art?" I wonder how much of this Dean Kamen already has tied up?"

91 comments

  1. Slashdotted by doofsmack · · Score: 5, Funny

    You slashdotted NASA!

    1. Re:Slashdotted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      You Bastards!

    2. Re:Slashdotted by Zarhan · · Score: 2, Funny

      You slashdotted NASA!

      http://us.imdb.com/Quotes?0205873

    3. Re:Slashdotted by deadsaijinx* · · Score: 1

      i'm seriously here you guys, We killed that page (NASA is still fine). That's not a troll, it's a joke. And one that is funny cuz it's partially true.

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    4. Re:Slashdotted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another computer glitch. Gotta hate that.

    5. Re:Slashdotted by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

      They just miscalculated the available bandwidth. They had numbers in MegaBytes per second, but the line measurements are in Megabits per second, so they died when their utilization hit 12.5MB/s. :)

      The conspiracy theorists say that it's actually so we wouldn't see the alien face on their router, but we all know they really crashed. :)

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  2. Might just be by .milfox · · Score: 2, Interesting

    .. other .mil geeks browsing at work. :P I know if I'm on a duty day (when I can't go home) I tend to surf during downtime. :P

    1. Re:Might just be by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why don't you get off the internet and go do some rounds you shitbag!!!

    2. Re:Might just be by csnydermvpsoft · · Score: 1

      That would explain all of the USPTO hits - their downtime goes down on the timecard as "researching prior art."

  3. Re:Oh for Christ's Sakes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No. He is not dead. He is alive and well at irc.goatse.cx. He goes by the name of "semi". Direct all hatred at him.

  4. Month long week just shortened by pphrdza · · Score: 1
    The file telerobotics_page:coolrobots.html you requested was not found. Back to 198.116.66.245.

    Way to go.
    Get them back on track at NASA

  5. Is it really a patent issue if only a one-off? by SYFer · · Score: 0

    Regarding the patent office and whether Kamen already owns the patents needed, it seems moot for now. The guy, carefully, I think, says nothing at all about marketing or manufacturing his robot in numbers. In fact, unless I missed it, he doesnâ(TM)t even speculate on practical uses for his deviceâ"it appears to merely a hobby of sorts.

    IANAL, but I donâ(TM)t think one has anything to worry about if one isnâ(TM)t trying to encroach on another guyâ(TM)s market. On the other hand, what if he essentially provided a DIY guide for people to avoid paying top dollar for a Segway? Are there trade secrets involved?

    On another note, his page certainly provides a lot of photos and videos. The guy is definitely not stingy with the bandwidth, but that may change after today.

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    1. Re:Is it really a patent issue if only a one-off? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Concerning the bandwidth, I think we're ok. Biggest bandwidth surge came about 5pm this afternoon. Even then I was able to download some of the big mpegs at home (cable modem) and maintain about 50k throughput (normally we get about 150k). We got slashdotted once before and it took the server right down. Now we've rebuilt it as a two-headed machine using Linux Virtual Server and the High Availability Linux stuff. The server nodes each have their own independent 100 Mbit connection to the University net, and the University now has a Gigabit connection. This has been the first real test since then. I have to do more detailed analysis tomorrow, but seems like so far we're ok. At the peak we were getting about 1000 hits per minute for several hours. -dpa

  6. Re:Oh for Christ's Sakes... by Mr2cents · · Score: 0

    Dynamic ballance remains a cool thing to watch, I guess. It's much too nerdish to ignore :)

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  7. yo by leekwen · · Score: 5, Informative

    this guy did it 2nd

    yay for legway.

  8. Re:Translation please? Babelfish? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they're paid to moderate down posts that ask what they do.

  9. Balancing Pool Cues by Baldrson · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I wonder how much of this Dean Kamen already has tied up?

    Not much since control systems have been balancing pool cue's since the early days of rocketry.

    1. Re:Balancing Pool Cues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      should have set up a mirror, those geocities sites can not handle much traffic.

    2. Re:Balancing Pool Cues by lommer · · Score: 1

      Google cache here. No pics as usual, but the text content is mirrored.

    3. Re:Balancing Pool Cues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. In my day we called it a broom balancer. Classic control systems grist.

  10. Re:well.. by Build6 · · Score: 1

    Wow. These guys sound unhappy.

  11. Re:GOATSE Warning by rkz · · Score: 0, Troll

    he does actually tell you whats on the page you are just an idiot!

  12. Patent Infringement... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
    nBot, David Anderson's two-wheel balancing robot goes the Segway one better by getting rid of the pesky human!


    Well that didn't take very long to find :). Maybe I should one-up nBot by getting rid of the balancing mechanism and adding 2 more wheels :-).
  13. Re:Translation please? Babelfish? by deadsaijinx* · · Score: 3, Funny

    okay, did some quick babelfish translations:

    "Coolly robot of the NASAS of the week (those approximately a month long is apparent), produced a very large point of the activity on our 4web PAGE out gov and mil areas"

    Not much better, but I'm digging that word coolly. ;)

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  14. Lego Mindstorms by heli0 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I attempted to build a two-wheel self balancing robot similar to this one using the lego mindstorms kit. I had a large metal ball that would roll in a cylinder and hit sensors at either end allowing the robot to adjust when it was tilting. Unfortunately the motors could never respond quick enough to prevent the machine from falling over.

    I have given several of these kits as gifts, great gift for teenagers and unemployed tech workers.

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    1. Re:Lego Mindstorms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Something like your metal ball -style sensor sounds awfully likely to be far too slow to allow for such controls.

      It probably wasn't the motors...

    2. Re:Lego Mindstorms by trats · · Score: 1

      Funny that, I was thinking of doing the same thing, but haven't gotten round to it yet.

      I was thinking to hang the RCX block (heaviest piece) from the top and let it swing freely to brush past three touch sensors. This would be a crude way to determine direction as well as ternary magnitude of the tilt.

  15. screw that by Hadlock · · Score: 1

    what the hell are these black spots? black holes? those things are f'n MASSIVE. wow. back to your regularly scheduled slashdot...

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    1. Re:screw that by Damion · · Score: 1

      If you read the text under the picture, you'll see the following text:

      Dark ellipses have been cut away where bright local stars dominate the sky.

      There are enormously bright objects there that interfere, so they get cut out.

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  16. .gov, .mil, err by Triumph+The+Insult+C · · Score: 2, Funny

    has produced a huge spike of activity on our web page from .gov and .mil domains

    my guess is you're about to get a *lot* more from a .org in $REFERER

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  17. Referencing by PimpNinjaWannaBee · · Score: 2, Funny

    "NASA's Cool Robot of the Week (which apparently is about a month long) [...]".

    I guess since we're taking about a robot and NASA is involved thats a light-month?

    1. Re:Referencing by John+Biggabooty · · Score: 1

      These robots are totally lame. Why can't they make any cool ones like R2-D2, and C3PO?

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    2. Re:Referencing by mdielmann · · Score: 1

      No, this would be a new, only-used-by-NASA distance measurement unit, because one of the few things harder
      (apparently) than converting between two units of measure would be converting between three. That's not enough of a challenge for them, though, so they decided to give the third unit a name already used for measuring something else (time). I think we can expect the next probe sent to Mars to end up somewhere near Venus...sometime....

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    3. Re:Referencing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn straight! And where's my warp drive? And my light sabre!
      And why don't any of these women scientists look like the ones in the movies? Why can't "they" make things just like in the movies? Damn!

  18. Site's back up! by pphrdza · · Score: 1
    But the links on the site are being slashdotted!

    aargh!

  19. For the squeamish: How to read that interview by MyHair · · Score: 2, Funny

    1: Download Mozilla Firebird
    2: Install "Nuke Images" plugin
    3: Click link (from home only with no kids around)
    4: Quickly right-click and choose "Remove this image" on each pic. (try not to look directly at it)
    5: Read article and think "how the hell can that guy do that?"
    6: ???
    7: Profit!

    (Sorry 'bout those last two)

    1. Re:For the squeamish: How to read that interview by rkz · · Score: 1

      1) Download opera 2) Click Link 3) Press G before the page fishes loading 5) as above 6) ????????!!??! 7) Take out life insurance 8) Screw over all your employees and steal their retirement funds 9) Fake your own death 10) PROFIT

  20. Think For Yourself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is it any wonder that robots are reading about another robot? no carrier connect 300 baud truth lies rover virtual reality foolish games illusionary world brought upon by television chained minds they drool and follow their televised masters

  21. Software? by MyHair · · Score: 1

    I didn't see any explanation on his page about how his software works. Did anyone else find info on his software to run nBot?

    1. Re:Software? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.geology.smu.edu/~dpa-www/robo/nbot/bal2 .txt

    2. Re:Software? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Read the page, eh? There's a link to some discussion of the algorithm and some code snippets near the top, and the Larry Barello link near the bottom has some code for a similar project as well.

  22. Re:More about those robots... by deadsaijinx* · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    lol, i would soooo mod you up if i could. Those i'm not sure whether you are more insightful or funny.

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  23. Lego x Erector by dark-br · · Score: 1

    I always considered erector sets to be better for robotics experiments than legos, but I don't see erector set stuff much anymore. Did they go bankrupt? If so, why hasn't a Chinese toy firm resurrected the concept?

    Maybe its the name :-P

  24. Segway falls over with President Bush by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is somewhat related since I see mention
    of the Segway scooter at the NASA page:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2 989000. stm

  25. Maybe he could... by moofdaddy · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Maybe El Presidente Bush could ride this thing without tipping it...

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  26. Re:Why stop at patenting cookies? by wfberg · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The thing that bugs me about the mindstorms kit, and LEGO(TM)(R) in general is the non-orthogonality of the bricks/components. If you want to put two bricks together at an angle, you need specially shaped bricks. In fact, the lego people make a butt load of cash just inventing new kinds of bricks to include in kits -- lose 'em, and you have to buy a new kit, or another kit that includes it.

    I much preferred Construx building sets as a kid. It was much easier to put together moving parts, build voluminous structures, and to some degree work with angles. Anyone remember Construx? I suppose k'nex now fulfills this role, though it seems less sturdy. Of course, Meccano is the granddady of all, so some-one will point out that it's superior. It's just that I've never owned any ;-)

    BTW, ever notices how the electrical engines in the Mindstorms set are non-lego-standard shapes and sizes? What's that about? Would an extra millimeter of plastic to make it align hurt that much??

    I'm sure there are better products to construct robots, meccano offshoots or succesors combined with sensors, actuators, a PC interface and perhaps even a microcontroller-cum-batterypack like the mindstorms set. Does the slashdot crowd have any suggestions?

    Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, mindstorms is fscking expensive and hard to get, esp. in Europe.

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  27. what i wanna know is.... by hatrisc · · Score: 1

    why return if you loop forever? int balance() { while(1) { /* loop forever */ angle = read_analog(TILT_SENSOR); angle_velocity = angle - last_angle; last_angle = angle; wheel = read_wheel_encoder(); velocity = wheel - last_wheel; last_wheel = wheel; torque = (angle * K1) + (angle_velocity * K2) + (wheel * K3) + (wheel_velocity * K4); pwm(torque); msleep(40); /* sleep 40 milliseconds */ } }

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    1. Re:what i wanna know is.... by Speedy8 · · Score: 1

      cause inside the loop statement you can have an

      if(some error occures) { return 1;}

      It is actually a common thing to do.

      Even if this sin't in the code right now, the person designing the software might want to be able to have the functionality later, so they would want everyone else that uses this function to be ready for it when that feature is added.

  28. Re:Why stop at patenting cookies? by zors · · Score: 1

    hell yeah man! construx ownzored teh legoes. no doubt.i used to make little spaceships and buildings and such...man i miss them.... :'(

  29. balancing wheel chair by Salk · · Score: 1

    Ive seen a TV clip of a wheel chair
    performing the same trick.

    The demo showed a large adult sitting
    in the chair which was balancing on
    two wheels. The guy was thrown a weight
    that made the chair wobble but it easily
    recovered. This was all on a hard smooth
    studio floor but still pretty impressive.

    They didnt say if this was anywhere near
    production.

    1. Re:balancing wheel chair by Salk · · Score: 2, Informative

      Here is a link:

      http://www.dynopower.freeserve.co.uk/homepages/n ew chair.htm

    2. Re:balancing wheel chair by Sp4ceK4det · · Score: 1

      The Segway is based off of a wheel chair that Dean Kamen developed that can go up on 2 wheels, climb up stairs, yadda yadda yadda. http://www.dekaresearch.com/ibot.html

  30. Those wacky NASA guys by Alsee · · Score: 1

    NASA's Cool Robot of the Week (which apparently is about a month long)

    Yeah, those NASA guys are always getting confused with all those different planets having days that are like a year long and whatnot.

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  31. Needs to have a companion page... by MonTemplar · · Score: 3, Funny

    'Cool Robot That's Still Working Next Week'

    Might end up being a short list, though. :-)

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  32. but when do I get a household droid? by jpnews · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've been following the advances in robotics with great interest. They've come a long way, to be sure. But still, there are no consumer level droids available. I have a lot of things around the house that could be done better and faster (and certainly easier) by a robot. But I can't get one.

    Will someone please get to work on a small battery with incredible storage capacity and quick charging? Or make a fuel cell powered 'bot that can walk over to the gas tank and refuel himself. Whatever it takes, just make a droid that has a price similar to a car, and I'll buy it.

    It should be able to perform normal household duties. I'm talking about cleaning, cooking, answering the phone and watching over the place while I'm gone. I don't think that's too much to ask, but maybe I'm wrong.

  33. Torrent link by mskfisher · · Score: 1

    Here's a BitTorrent link to a tarball of the nBot movies:

    http://www.mskf.org/nbot-movies.torrent

    I'm running it on my own tracker, so my apologies in advance if it blows up or doesn't work.

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  34. BitTorrent link to nBot movies by mskfisher · · Score: 1

    In case there are lots of people reading in Nested as opposed to Newest First, here's my attempt to reduce the slashdotting of the geology.heroy.smu.edu server:

    BitTorrent link to a tarball of the nBot movies:

    http://www.mskf.org/nbot-movies.torrent

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    1. Re:BitTorrent link to nBot movies by SpaceJunkie · · Score: 1

      I know its a bit late - but I was hoping to mirror or at least seed that.. Unfortunalely I got a 404... Any chance of posting it again?

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    2. Re:BitTorrent link to nBot movies by mskfisher · · Score: 1

      Nope, sorry, it's gone... I only got about 8 people that tried that link all told, and only 3 or 4 of them to completion. Not a very popular torrent. :)
      The site itself seemed to hold up well, so you should be able to get them from the original source.

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  35. Re:Why stop at patenting cookies? by NeoSkandranon · · Score: 1

    For a while I was big on K'nex (k'nex pump shotgun anyone?) but I found that for all the things that k'nex did that legos didn't, I would notice something that k'nex didn't do (typically something that could be solved by 'a piece just a bit [bigger|smaller|shorter|etc]')

    To address one of your comments, knex are extremely sturdy if the frames of whatever you're building are latticed and reinforced properly, but this uses a LOT of pieces.

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  36. energy cell horizons by js7a · · Score: 1
    Will someone please get to work on a small battery with incredible storage capacity and quick charging? Or make a fuel cell....

    Yes. Follow the stories about mass production of carbon nanotubes. In particular, the holy grail is making them conductive. As soon as you get a bag of reliably conductive nanotubes, you can store hydrogen at energy densities far exceeding that of fossil fuels -- which is difficult with even liquid hydrogen storage tanks, for a number of technical reasons (you need a double-walled thermos with an internal revacumation pump; that's expensive, and even then the hydrogen embrittles most inexenssive metals and leaks through inexpensive composites.)

  37. Fischertechnik by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For the ultimate construction set you need Fischertechnik.

  38. When will it become commercially available ? by badman99 · · Score: 0

    Anyone got venture capital for my new business in 'ROBOTIC HANDJOB VENDING MACHINES' ? I'm sure I could make a million overnight :) Tom

  39. Balancing wheelchair is the ibot... by PedsDoc · · Score: 1

    The wheelchair would be the iBot, which is also being made by Kamen. Thing's tied up with the FDA, which has been evaluating it for some time. Wheelchairs are medical devices, so they need to be tested as such, and that tends to take quite a bit of time. Still, I have to admit that the thing is worth it, if only to be able to look somebody in the eyes when you balance on two wheels. You can see a video at http://www.msnbc.com/news/285231.asp?cp1=1

  40. Re:well.. by qqtortqq · · Score: 1

    +1 Insightful!

  41. This is a new low in slashdot history by 42forty-two42 · · Score: 1

    Corgratulations. I didn't think it could be done, but we made a story out of referrer logs.

  42. Re:well.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    mebbe its cos their capslock key is broken!!!!!

  43. Re:well.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    HAHAHA

    thats funny!