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Hydrodemolition Robot Crushes With Water

Roland Piquepaille writes "In 'Robot pummels roads with water', the Augusta Chronicle says that a hydrodemolition robot is going to restore seven bridges in Georgia. "It's a robot that destroys everything in its path with a crushing stream of water 15 times more powerful than a jackhammer. The robot looks like a street cleaner machine on steroids and is expected to begin use August 1 to resurface seven bridges on Gordon Highway from Walton Way to the bridge at the South Carolina state line." This kind of robot needs only two workers to operate it, instead of 15 workers for a jackhammer, is less noisy and more gentle for the foundations. You'll find more details in this summary."

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  1. Unions by whig · · Score: 4, Funny

    Why do I think labor groups will be unhappy about this?

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    1. Re:Unions by NanoGator · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Why do I think labor groups will be unhappy about this?"

      Because their beer gut that was formerly helpful in keeping the Jackhammer under control now gets in the way of the steering wheel?

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    2. Re:Unions by Verteiron · · Score: 3, Funny

      Nah, they can just move the extras to the $30/hour "Holding the 'Slow/Stop' sign" position.

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    3. Re:Unions by maeka · · Score: 5, Funny
      (Emphasis mine)
      The machine also produces less noise and dust than a jackhammer, is more powerful than a jackhammer and requires only about two people to supervise it ([instead of 15 workers for a jackhammer.]

      15 workers for a jackhammer? How do they do that?
      1 guy on the hammer,
      1 guy on the compressor,
      2 guys flagging traffic,
      1 guarding the water cooler,
      1 observer from the Local,
      1 QC inspector,
      1 caterer,
      1 Foley Grip,
      1 Best Boy,
      1 Personal Assistant to Mr. Hammer Operator,
      1 Stunt Double,
      1 Foreman,
      1 Orange cone supervisor,
      and that's only 14!

    4. Re:Unions by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      " 15 workers for a jackhammer? How do they do that?"

      Don't you pay attention? Whenever you have contstruction work going on, you always need 3 or 4 guys on a break. If you don't have 15 workers, you can't keep that many people on the break. It's called rotation!

      What I want to know is where the other 11 guys are hiding whenever those 4 guys are on a break.

    5. Re:Unions by RajivSLK · · Score: 4, Funny

      You think its bad in the usa.

      When I was in Japan I saw 5 guys "operating" a wheel-barrow in a train station.

      1 person to direct peadestrians out of the way.
      1 person to direct the wheel-barrow.
      1 person to actually push the wheel-barrow.
      1 person to walk 10 feet behind the wheel-barrow.
      and 1 person to stand at a distance of 15 feet and supervise.

      To top if off the wheel-barrow was empty.

  2. 15 workers for a jackhammer?!? by tigersaw · · Score: 5, Funny

    Man, construction unions are unstoppable.

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  3. Send it to SCO by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 4, Funny

    Can someone direct one of these to SCO Headquarters?

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  4. "Hey kids!" by Atario · · Score: 5, Funny

    "How about a splash of water on this hot summer day?"

    "YayyyyAAIIIEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!"

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    1. Re:"Hey kids!" by Jon+Abbott · · Score: 3, Funny

      You get to drink from... the fire hose!!!

      (For those of you out of the loop, please watch this movie)

  5. recycle water? by ender_wiggins · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Does it recycle the water? seems like alot of water to be wasting. But since its the City or State that would be using, its ok to waste water. Altho there will still be 15 people standing around to "supervise" the two people required to run this machine.

    1. Re:recycle water? by jat850 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Does it recycle the water?

      Yep:

      "The water is not left behind.

      "Once the thing gets the water down and pulverized the concrete, workers come behind it with a vacuum truck," Mr. Merritt said. The water is then taken to a treatment site."

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    2. Re:recycle water? by big+tex · · Score: 5, Informative

      Having been on a crew that used one of these exact machines, it is indeed potable water.

      The magic is that it uses 35,000 - 50,000 psi and through a very tiny (.035", IIRC) nozzle. Very low flow, 20 gpm or so.

      Actually, only about half of the water remains to be reclaimed - after the trip through the nozzle and all of the friction with the concrete & rebar, about 1/2 is lost as steam. helluva thing to watch.

      As for the '15 men' comparison, here's my first-hand experience:
      We used men with jackhamers to remove the first two inches of concrete (down to the rebar)
      Crew:
      (1) operating engineer - man the air compressor. He's frickin' useless.
      (1) laborer foreman - push the men, repair the extra jackhammers, rotate into the crew
      (5) laborers - constantly on the hammers. (unless too many broke down. We had seven hammers, and about 5 runing.)

      The robot is used to remove concrete _under_ rebar. The rebar comes out looking sandblasted - bare white metal. That's the trick that would take 15 men with jackhammers. The crew there was a robot operator and a guy at the pump. Actually, the laborer crew was cheaper than the robot.

      Also, the other thing these things do real well is scarification - roughen up the surface before you put down a top coat. The other good way to do it is with sandblasting, definately nastier than hydroblasting and worse results to boot.

      Basically these things rock.

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  6. I am your robot God by Realistic_Dragon · · Score: 4, Funny

    Mrs. Everitt said the hydrodemolition robot helps the DOT because it removes faulty concrete but leaves good concrete behind.

    So it's a robot that plays God then? I cast you, bad concrete, into the abys from where you shall never return!

    Just as long as it doesn't start running wild and judging humans, or there might be a significant oversupply of liquified lawyers.

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  7. Good for water-rich areas, not for deserts by Mr.+McGibby · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Folks who've never lived in a desert don't seem to understand how valuable water is in some parts of the country. While the article mentions that they water is reclaimed later by workers, in someplace like Utah or Arizona, I'm sure thousands of gallons are lost through evaporation before that can happen.

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    1. Re:Good for water-rich areas, not for deserts by demonbug · · Score: 4, Funny
      Folks who've never lived in a desert don't seem to understand how valuable water is in some parts of the country.


      Yeah. In Las Vegas, for example, you aren't allowed to recreate more than one ocean per casino. Any more would just be wasteful.

  8. High-pressure water by Renraku · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I saw a report a few years ago about the advantages of using a high-pressure water 'gun' for cutting metal. Some of the advantages was that the cooling was already taken care of, the material was recyclable with a filter, and the edges were already smoothed.

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    1. Re:High-pressure water by SpeedBump0619 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You heard right. For anyone who hasn't heard of this there are several kinds, basically broken up by the maximum pressure. When I was involved with building automation systems this was one of the coolest things to play with (though they aren't toys).

      Add a little pulverized rock into a 0.012 inch stream of water at 60,000 psi and you can cut through *anything*. Biggest thing I ever saw was a 17 inch thick slab of titanium plating. The edges end up smooth, cool (or at most warm to the touch) and, if you are cutting something really expensive (or toxic) you can reclaim 99.99% of the material you eroded away.

      Waterjet is *the* coolest cutting technology in the world :) For info try:
      Flow
      Jet Edge

    2. Re:High-pressure water by Hungus · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I dont know what you were looking at but I was a waterjet engineer a decade ago and first off to cut something like Ti you cant use water .. instead you use cerium oxide which is sucked into the water stream stream. So now you are using the water to accellerate the cerium oxide rather than teh water itself to cut. Also when you add artifacts you cant maintain a clean stream for 17 inches, heck with out artifacts a 30cm stream is amazing (water at 30-75k psi has to be very clean or you will destroy the nozzels almost instantly) its because of the problems with laminar flow. When the water hits the diaphram of teh jewel its pressure is so high that it acts like a laser in that only the water moving perpendicular to the jewel surface can make it out so all the water is moving in exactly the same direction, this is called laminar flow and the idea was developed by Dr Bob Higgans decades ago (he was a steam engineer originally to give you and idea of how old he is). Long story but Flow is evil they did some nasty dirty things to Bob and he formed his own co Technicut (whome I worked for). Anyway back to laminar flow, you see teh edges of teh stream after leaving the nozzel will cause air turbulance and start to tumble disrupting the stream. Eventually turbulance invades the entire stream and it looses most of its cutting ability. Now concrete? well thats easy to cut with straight water because quite honestly it is pretty soft. Of and you cant inject cerium oxide in a number 1 jewel ( .01 inches) you use at least a number 8 and preferably a number 10. Actually i guess you would ne mentioning a number 2 jewel which would be .02 but since the diameter of the stream is only 60% of the diameter of the jewel that would make it .012 still not enough to transport the cerium oxide.

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  9. Coming soon to your dental office... by macshune · · Score: 4, Funny

    Road-tested hydro-cleaning power from Georgia is coming straight from the street to your dentist's office! Call 1-800-OWW-SHIT for details!

  10. this bring up something interesting by geekoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What do we do with the poeple who are replced with automation?
    The normal response is there will be 15 people working for the company that makes the automated product, but thats not true.

    If I created a device that flips burgers, and cost less then maintaining a staff, people will buy it, and it will replaces millions of workes, far more then it would take to build the things.
    I'm not saying we shouldn't automate, I'm just asking what do we do as our jobs per person keeps declining?

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    1. Re:this bring up something interesting by orthogonal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If I created a device that flips burgers, and cost less then maintaining a staff, people will buy it, and it will replaces millions of workes, far more then it would take to build the things.
      I'm not saying we shouldn't automate, I'm just asking what do we do as our jobs per person keeps declining?


      Yes, I remember how gramps lost his job making buggy whips when, 100 years ago today, Ford Motor Company incorporated.

      Fortunately, by 1904 he was able to get a job writing C.

      What, you say C wasn't invented until the 1970s?

      Oh, yeah, he got a job running an MRI.

      Oh, wait, I mean, in a genetics lab.

      No, that's not right....

      Getting rid of laborious, boring, physically punishing jobs that put people in early graves -- look up the etymology of "top-notch" for a real horror, and be glad we've forgotten how that phrase came to be --, and which can be done better, cheap, and faster by machine, is one of the great triumphs, along with medicine and leisure time, of technology.

    2. Re:this bring up something interesting by orthogonal · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Can you give me a link about the origin of "top-notch"?

      Yeah, I did some serious googling for it too, and couldn't find it.

      As I recall, the "top-notcher" was one of two guys on either end of a long, two handled saw. He stood at the top of a pit, and the other fellow stood in the pit, to facilitate cutting logs. Working together, they'd saw the logs.

      Of course the guy down in the pit -- the top-notcher's opposite numbre -- had all the sawdust floating down on him, and inevitably he inhaled it. Over the course of about 10 years, he'd inhale enough sawdust to cause lung disease and premature death, disease and death the top-knotcher, by virtue of his position (literally, his position) avoided.

  11. "Restore Bridge" starts with trashing the old one by lildogie · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Last decade, in Washington State, hydrodemolition was used to "resurface" the Eastbound lanes of the Lake Washington Floating Bridge, a couple of miles from the Western end of Interstate 90.

    Due to a chain of snafus, the "floating" bridge sunk one Thanksgiving day. Very nearly sunk the brand new Westbound floating bridge right next to it. (Part of the root cause was the storage of hydrodemolition wastewater in the flotation cells of the bridge.)

    Some years later, the records of liability were sealed in a court settlement between the state and the contractor.

  12. Eat em by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    McDonalds introduces Soylent McTeens 2 for $3. Limited time offer, while supplies last.

  13. Re:How many workers? by mcpkaaos · · Score: 4, Funny

    When I was 17 I worked construction back up in the NW. In union terms, 'about two' translates roughly, in human terms, to 15 laborers, 4 foremen, 7 union representatives, and 3 strippers (to be brought on site for birthdays, mondays, tuesdays, etc.)

    To give you context, compare that to the software world, where 'about two' translates to just you, 4 weeks out of the 20 week projection, a pissed off laptop, and a boss that lives and dies by metrics.

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  14. Re:Good point by silentbozo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    On the subject, in the dorms there were always people who would go turn on the shower and then go take a 10 minute crap while the water was running... or leave the sink full blast while brushing their teeth.

    Ahhh, you could always tell who the Easterners were. "Defrost the turkey? Yah, just leave it in the sink with the water running..."

    Of course, there are still a lot of people out West who still don't get it. Watering lawns with what amounts to drinking water? And they wonder why their water bills are so high...

  15. Re:Slashdotted...karma free text by Ledora · · Score: 3, Funny

    Why does the parent mention Mr. Carvajales said the robot is powered by diesel fuel and has water fed to it from a pressurized pump. The robot travels where it is programmed to go and shoots a stream of semen onto pavement at about 40 to 60 gallons per minute.

  16. Wow, I am enlightened by shazbotus · · Score: 4, Funny

    I was astounded by the fact that the newspaper's picture has details about the robot. The picture describes the robot as having a water PUMP that brings water to the robot. It's ingenious. Finally, a method by which we can transfer water. I mean I would have thought that maybe a Cadre of Trained Monkeys would have brought water little by little to the robot, but NO, a pump has now replaced their job. Its pure genius. Finally, a newspaper that publishes that facts that we want to know about and NEED to know about. I'm subscribing to this one!

  17. Re:40 to 60 gallons/minute by geekoid · · Score: 4, Funny

    I can se it now, a house is on fire. they turn on the pump, and 10 seconds later the house is a big pile of soggy wood..in the neighbors yard.

    but at least the fire would be out. ;)

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  18. Concrete Zamboni by supertbone · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If they could figure out a way to use the old concrete with the waste water to immediatly make new concrete it would be like a Zamboni for the highway.

  19. Ah, the memories... by morganjharvey · · Score: 3, Funny

    This story reminded me of how when I was a kid (about 6 - 14 or so) I would take the garden hose and one of those gun-shaped attachments to my mom's garden and explore the excavatory power of water.

    At one point I had a very large system of trenches about a half foot deep dug through the flowers that went on for quite a distance.

    Needless to say, the local authorities (mom) weren't thrilled with this "science." They all said I was mad. They called me crazy. er...

  20. Finally! by The_dev0 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Just the thing to get the dried out coke and cigarette ash off my keyboard. I just hope it's powerful enough!

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  21. At last a Civil Article! by C.+Alan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Perhaps I am one of the few Civil Engineers who find myself reading /. So +karma to the editors for bringing this article. I still would like to know how it removes the concret and doesn't dammage the rebar. When you start getting aligator cracking in concrete roads, water has more than likely reached the rebar, rusting it. Some newer road specs require that the rebar be coated with epoxy. This cuts down on rust, and may allow for rebar reuse in the case stated with the article. --C. Alan, PE

  22. Maybe I'm missing something by as0k · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Alright, I'm sure someone has the answer to this... what makes this thing a 'robot' as opposed to say... just a big fscking tool?

    I mean, it still takes to people to operate it, so it's by no means autonomous.

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    1. Re:Maybe I'm missing something by RealityMogul · · Score: 3, Informative

      As the article stated, it runs along on it's own after being programmed with directions. I would assume the 2 operators are there for the programming and monitoring.