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Mozilla 1.4RC2 Released
levell writes "Mozilla 1.4RC2 has been released. It looks like the final version of 1.4 may be out soon. It looks good although there are some problems with java on old linux systems (discussed here). 1.4 will be a long lived branch that some distributors will base versions of their own software on (e.g. Netscape planned release, codenamed "buffy"). 1.4 will be the last version of Mozilla released as a suite, after that the switch to separate browser, e-mail etc. applications will take place."
Ditto that. Also maybe the mail/newsreader apps will get attention if they're split out.
I wouldn't even call the newsreader "mediocre" - "barely adequate for a few uses" is more like it.
The email client is OK but it certainly needs attention.
That accidentally doesn't work with this Mozilla any more... now that AOL's approved of IE and sunk Netscape and abandoned Mozilla (yet?), this is the next in line.
If you keep throwing chairs, one day you'll break windows....
Hopefully the Camino developer(s) will now switch to this branch - from what I can see, the nightlies have been pretty variable quality ever since 0.7, which is when they switched to the trunk from a 1.0-ish branch.
Good thing we're not in the year 2000 anymore.
Don't laugh. I recently had to sign a contract with a customer in which I had to certify my code as y2k compliant. Too many companies are ran by lawyers.
I'll do it for cheesy poofs.
As open source projects, you'd think that Slashcode and Mozilla could meet halfway on this. But, as anyone who's tried to submit a patch to either project knows, they are open in name only. Development of both systems is really closed to outsiders and only insiders (the creators, their friends and people who think exactly the same way that they do) are allowed to submit patches. Witness the recent Taco IRC interview where his response to "when will Slashdot validate at the W3c" was "Whatever. Next."
was not mentioned in the 1.4 RC2 release notes as being fixed. This made the mailer completely useless as one out of 3 emails sent would crash the browser without delivering the email. I had to update to a Mozilla 1.5 beta snapshot to get around this problem. Is there any advantage to downgrading from a 1.5 beta snapshot to 1.4 RC2?
If they are going to drop the "suite" version I sure hope it does. This is the one feature stopping me from using Camino or even Safari. I love how all the newer browsers are supporting tabs now, but there is one feature from the "suite" Mozilla that I use every day but that none of the other browsers has added.
I just love tabbed homepages. The way you can save a tab group as a bookmark and then set that as your homepage. I use this every day; I load up my four most visited sites and just go. For some strange reason it makes a big difference.
"He's more machine now than man, twisted and evil."
If you haven't tried rh 9.0 yet, try it. It has applets again (not as many, but it has the important ones). It also has the system tray. It still uses metacity, but you can switch back to sawfish by killing metacity and then starting sawfish before metacity restarts. I guess I should switch to Apache Tomcat to replace mod_jserve.
Now I'm starting to think that my 7.3 box is looking a bit shabby and that I should upgrade to 9.0.
I think browser spoofing is a very bad thing. Yes it lets you load your page correctly, but it will never let the "powers that be" know that people use something other than IE.
I have stopped telling safari to use the IE "user agent" because of this. I want people to know that I use something that isn't Microsoft and sooner or later this is going to make a difference. Especially with the fact that M$ has officially dropped their IE for OS X.
I think developpers have said numerous times on Bugzilla that they didn't want to implement an "user friendly" browser spoofing feature because they believe it would hurt Mozilla in the long run.
The problem is that, if many people were using Mozilla spoofing (let's say) IE6, Mozilla "market share" would appear even lower in statistics than it already is, thus making even harder for Mozilla evangelists to do their job.
Who would want to support a browser that would seem to be used by 0.003% of web surfers ?
woah this might really be a bug, anyone confirm? i had 219 emails that neeeded a filter of if subject contains: [mythtv-users] then move to mythtv (created in that window not in the main one) then ran filter and it choked. then i deleted the mythtv folder said yes to all the stupid questions made a myth folder and then adjusted the filter ... it "moved" all the emails frm the inbox, but they are not in te myth folder, although it says there are 220 there
As a few other folks have pointed out on the usenet, there doesn't seem to be any new IRIX nightlies. While the other platforms have binaries built about once a day, the most recent IRIX nightly is from late May.
Does anyone from the Mozilla project happen to know what the problem is? Is there something that we IRIX users/developers can do to help? If it's a hardware need, I can probably spare an Octane or two to help the Mozilla project.
I'm sure this Mozilla doesn't have SVG support. However, I was wondering if anyone knew the status of the Adobe SVG Plugin's compatibility with the browser (whether Adobe is developing a new compatible plug-in or Mozilla compensating for Adobe's compatibility problems). My understanding is that Adobe developed the 3.0 plugin before the Mozilla API was frozen, and now it crashes the browser. This is common to Windows and Linux and for Mozilla derivatives as well (Netscape). Neither the Mozilla developers or Adobe seem to be budging. I just want to have some decent SVG support in Linux. Is SVG development something I should avoid?
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mozilla.org doesn't have RPMs for this version (or a few versions back, for that matter)... Should I as an RH 9 user just wait for the official release? Obviously there's some way to generate an RPM, but looking around the mozilla.org Unix build instructions web pages doesn't point to instructions. (Searching freshrpms turns up nothing.)
My question is simple, and I'm not a netscape user so maybe someone can enlighten me,
But what's the point of Netscape taking the latest mozilla code, as they have done for quite a while now, and creating their own browser? Are there some added features that Mozilla doesn't include? Seems like taking one thing and calling it another, unless there is some compelling reason to use netscape over mozilla.
Thanks!
... that is the most stupid thing I've ever heard.
Mathematicians and physicists have been communicating for three hundred years by drawing mathematics, complete with symbol sets. Whenever I want to send / recieve mathematics nowadays, I tend to just write it in latex, because I (along with many mathematicans) can just parse raw latex off the screen. However I'd kill it have the latex (or MathML) parsed by my newsreader / e-mail client / browser in an easy-to-use way
Combination - fun iPhone puzzling
Just installed it and it loaded in 1-2 secs.. This looks promising..
BlackGriffen
I cannot agree with this statement, it is like saying, because there is a more difficult way to do something, we shouldn't improve it. The other major problem I have with MathML not being supported is that it is a standard by the WC3 for awhile now and Mozilla, albeit is one of the better browsers for it, hasn't stepped up to the plate and got this resolved.
I have been trying to keep up with Mozilla developments, and have noticed here that there are still bugs to be resolved that are apparently blockers (or go straight to the bug list). The strange thing is, there was mentioned a possibility of rebranding RC2 as final, according to the recent staff meeting minutes (*1.4*, Point 3).
I find it strange that the Mozilla team is prepared to release 1.4 (which will replace the 1.0.x branch) with previously-declared blocker bugs still floating around.
Ask me about repetitive DNA
I had just downloaded and finally compiled the 0.6 Firebird.
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.4b) Gecko/20030616 Mozilla Firebird/0.6
Luckily my RH 6.2 had almost all the prerequisites except perl FILE::Spec 8.
But I couldn't do it without cvs!! There is no tarball for 1.4RC1 and the previous tarball does NOT include Firebird--it was missing the toolkit and browser directories!!!
Needless to say downloading the whole cvs tree--over half a gig--on dialup was a nightmare compared to 40+ MB of tar.bz2. Even those tiny little CVS directories added up to over 100 MB across the huge Mozilla directory structure.
Even then mozilla/ipc wasn't populated, so I could never do a make clean without gripes of a missing Makefile.in.
Using gcc-2.95.3 with options like -fstrict-aliasing and -fomit-frame-pointer help alot, though Firebird is still demonstrably slower than Netscape 4.7x.
Did anyone file a bug report that the "save as" menus are in Chinese?
I emailed tech support and their reply was, "we only support IE in Windows, get partition magic and install windows on your computer."
.haeger
Then do what I do. Refuse to use their service. My bank didn't allow me to use Mozilla on Linux, bye bye bank. I can find someone else to give my money to. My company recently installed a time-reportin tool that requires Windows and IE, I still send my report card to a secretary since I don't have a computer with IE on it, it's either that or they can PAY me to come in in the evening to fill out those damn web-reports in IE, and I guarantee You that I will do this on high pay time.
Don't cave in. All over the world there is one thing people understand. Money. If not supporting Mozilla starts costing them money then they'll have to rethink.
I'm sure I could install windows if they like, provided that they pay for the licese, the computer, my time to install and administer the box. If they want me to run it, they'd better pay me. I don't do boring stuff on my spare time.
You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. -- Harlan Ellison
That doesn't mean it's perfect (the news reader could do with better filtering and other things) but frankly I can think of no other client I'd rather use in place of it.
I'm still very annoyed by this, and trying to decide what to do with my site. I'm working on a little 2D rpg engine, and have some of the demo sprites previewed for download in mng format. While it does run in windows, Linux was my primary target, so losing IE support for the site was not that big of a deal. So now I'm stuck with the decision to re-encode the sprites as animated gifs and degrade their color quality to 256 colors, only use a single frame as an example, have some sort of script running on the page to fake animation using pngs, or offer up konqureor (and safari?) as the only supported browser.
Everything will be taken away from you.
Mozilla on linux has had on again off again support for telnet:// links
launching an xterm to telnet to hosts or networking equipment.
Bug 33282 at bugzilla.mozilla.org has been open for over three years to track this issue.
Mozilla 1.1 supports it only with protozilla added. Protozilla is no longer under development.
Lots of activity in the bug, but it appears that the coders are too afraid
of getting the security aspects wrong to want to enable this functionality
in linux
Although I've had some coders offer to fix this for me for money, I don't
have the resources to pay for this fix.
Since this feature works on all other platforms and works on linux in the
Netscape 4.x train I'd think this would be a _requirement_ for 1.0.
This feature should be enabled but default to off for those of us that
absolutely have to have telnet:// links working and understand and are
willing to take the security risk.
And, no Mozilla Firebird, doesn't fix this.
Barnaby
This is still a bit iffy, IMO. In this case, the user doesn't really have a choice...he is limited by his disability. He cannot access the page because his browser is dictated to him, and that browser is denied access.
This is very similar to the issue of wheelchairs and curb cuts. Businesses don't necessary discriminate actively against the mobility-impaired, but the impaired person has no choice to how he gets about. He has to be in a wheelchair, and the high curb denies him access.
Both are cases of not choosing the lowest common denominator to begin with. The web developer could have coded to standards with little additional overhead. The business could have built their curb with a cut with little additional overhead. Retrofitting in either case incurs more work than doing it right to start with, and that's why people fight against this. Not because they are bigots, but because it's expensive and the returns on the investment are relatively small. Most would agree it's the right thing to do, and if they could do it over again they'd "do it right", because those small returns would be worth the smaller investment.
But again, my point was only that this is not discrimination per se, in the most general usage of the term. Most people are free to choose their browser (and what store they go to). A small minority don't have that choice, but you can hardly take ignorance or oversight and call it discrimination.
Government must make every reasonable concession necessary to serve the public - that's its job. Smart business owners should do so likewise - it's profitable and it's the right thing. But I still disagree with the expansion of the definition of discrimination from "kicking some people out" to "not doing enough to help some people in".
Again, my only point was how the term "discrimination" was used by the poster. I did not intend to address the morality or legality of the actions themselves. I feel like I'm being drawn into an argument I didn't intend to get involved with.
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