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PocketPC 2003 Reviewed

Sander Sassen writes "Prior to the official launch of the Microsoft PocketPC 2003 platform next Monday, Hardware Analysis puts an Asus MyPal a620 PocketPC to the test and details what new features PocketPC 2003 brings to the table and whether it is worth it to upgrade from 2002."

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  1. haha by Poofat · · Score: 5, Funny

    From the top of the page:

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    Good 'ol slashdot.

  2. Is that a PocketPC in your pants by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Or are you just glad to see me? Oh wait, it's Slashdot, must be a PocketPC.

    1. Re:Is that a PocketPC in your pants by drdale · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oh wait, it's Slashdot, you must be glad to see MY PocketPC.

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  3. Very cool. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I heard it's going to be the first handheld capable of playing DVDs too. I don't know if 400MHz is enough to do SVCD decoding, but I wouldn't be surprised if somebody comes up with a package for that too.

    I just wish somebody would add wireless networking to the things already like they did with the tablet PCs. Those are sweet.

    1. Re:Very cool. by Doom+Ihl'+Varia · · Score: 4, Informative

      If it can do DVD decoding, it can do SVCD. They are both MPEG-2. SVCD is lower quality though so it is even EASIER to decode. Plus, you don't have to deal with decryption of the DVD data.

    2. Re:Very cool. by SEGV · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You can already rip DVDs to a 250MB DivX that will fit on a 256MB flash card and play fine on a Pocket PC 2002 device. I like to watch Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon when I am bored.

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  4. Small and Big by Ken@WearableTech · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The changes for the end user are going to be rather small. The changes for the developers who are going to move to .NET tools for PocketPC programming rather than the hacked versions of VS6 we are using now is going to be a larger change.

    1. Re:Small and Big by Repugnant_Shit · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I agree. I can't wait to use a slower toolkit like .NET on a handheld. Troll me if you want, but I use WinCE/VS/VS.NET for a living, and it's true.

  5. Is PocketPC 2k3 Xscale optimized? by SClitheroe · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is PocketPC 2k3 Xscale optimized?

    That's really the million dollar question. PocketPC 2002 is not, and it's a real shame, because it hurts the performance of those 400mhz Xscale CPU's pretty badly.

  6. Re:because harddrives suck. by Trekie8472 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Power intensive yes, but you need to put your ear up to an iPod hard drive to hear it during normal play.

  7. Price by jesler · · Score: 5, Funny

    The article lists the price as

    Price: +/- 350 dollar, 329 euro

    I assume they use "+/-" to mean approxiamately. If not, I'll choose the -$350 option and you can pay me to use this thing.

  8. Not really a review of Pocket PC 2003 by cloudless.net · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In fact it is more like a review of the Asus MyPal a620 Pocket PC. I was expecting to see the detail of new features in the new OS, but it only tells me about the new media player and not much else. I am more interested about the performance of the new OS, as it is supposed to be optimized for the Xscale CPU. By the way, the MyPal Pocket PC has a terrible name and is very ugly, don't you think? I think the Taiwanese manufacturers should hire some better designers.

  9. Yes, but... by cloudless.net · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yes it is, but no benchmark has been published yet so I have no idea how good the optimization is. Developers must rewrite their applications for Pocket PC 2003 in order to take advantage of the optimizations. The review kinda sucks because it tells us nothing about the performance.

  10. Familiar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Just use familiar with opie. You'll be happier, and have more spare change to buy things that matter.

  11. XHTML support? Yes! by donutz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As a network connection will most likely also be used for web browsing Microsoft completely revamped the rendering architecture of the PocketPC Internet Explorer which not only speeds thing up considerably but also offers support for more internet standards. Standards that are now available in PocketPC 2003 are XHTML, CSS, HTML 4.0, JavaScript 5.5, WAP 2.0, WTLS, IPv6 and many more, which makes the PocketPC web browser compatible with the vast majority of websites found on the internet and intranets which often use some of the more exotic protocols.

    All I can say is ABOUT TIME! I don't even bother trying to do any web browsing on my Dell Axim X5 running Pocket PC 2002. It's just disgusting that they have an IE 3.x based browser running on something so new!

    I wonder if we'll see any upgrades to the browser for Pocket PC 2002, or if we will need to purchase a new device with 2003 on it. Let me guess...

  12. Re:it is never worth upgrading a microsoft product by cd_Csc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I still use my orginal PocketPC, and am quite content with it. I am guessing about 80% of the people never actually had a REAL NEED to upgrade from PocketPC

    Most people never actually had a real need to upgrade from paper and pencil. But we did it anyways. Why? Technological innovation makes certain tasks easier and certain situations more enjoyable. Pocket PC 2003 will be no different. There are many things (for both developers and end users) that it will make easier and more enjoyable. Whether it's suitable for you is simply a question of whether these things are important to you. I'd hold off until full reviews of the changes surface before making that decision.

  13. Sloppiest editing I've ever seen. by GlenRaphael · · Score: 4, Funny
    Boy, they must have been in a big hurry to get that article out before someone else beat them to the punch!

    Page 1 says "Mircrosoft" will launch the thing, and "thereâ(TM)s some changes"

    According to page 2, 2.5G is now "fully supported a offers GSM suspend/resume" while meanwhile, "on the multimedia site of things..."

    Page 5 tells us there are "a few welcome extraâ(TM)s" and "we clocked between 10 till 12 hours on the battery..."

    Quick, somebody make this guy a Slashdot editor!

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  14. Toshiba e355 by gantrep · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I just got a Toshiba e355 and like the article says, it includes windows media player 9. The biggest thing for me anyway, is that pressing the home button brings up Home Version 2.00 with a games tab, a programs tab, a main tab and a running tab. The running tab makes it much much easier to actually close programs. I haven't noticed much else different between 2003 and 2002(I used to have an HP1910 until it stopped syncing and Best Buy replaced it with this three days ago.)

    And for any wondering about the Toshiba e355, I can transfer files fine using Synce

    And here are some specs for it.

  15. Microsoft goes out on a limb by SensitiveMale · · Score: 4, Funny

    From the article "On the multimedia site of things Microsoft has wisely adapted Media Player 9 for the PocketPC 2003 platform, offering even smaller file sizes and smoother playback.

    And I heard from MS developers that they were gonna drop Media Player 9 on the PocketPC and go solely with QuickTime.

    Next we'll read that MS has wisely adapted pocket versions od Word and Excel rather than WordPerfect and 123.

  16. Palm to iPaq (student view) by 1000101 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm a CS major and recently switched from a Palm to an iPaq. Microsoft's PDA OS is so much better than Palm's, it's hard to imagine using anything else. At first I thought the $500 price tag was outrageous, but it has helped with my studies and organization tremendously. Bash MS all you want, but their PDA OS is by far the most versitile on the market today.

    1. Re:Palm to iPaq (student view) by Trelane · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sounds like my story. I switched from a Palm IIIe to a Sharp Zaurus 5500. All of a sudden, I could do all kinds of crazy stuff, like browse the web with my 802.11 card, use SSH, mount shares, stream music (via shoutcast as well as via ESD or whatever), etc. all combined with the PDA features that make my life as a physics grad student much easier on top of making my life as a geek much easier. It additionally rocks, because of all the community support of Linux on the platform.

      Only problem is, Palm IIIe is ancient, and the recent Palm stuff is actually equivalent to the PocketPC and TrollTech stuff, from what I've seen of it.

      What version of Palm were you using? The handspring and Palm phone stuff I've seen rock.

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    2. Re:Palm to iPaq (student view) by IronChef · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I have an iPAQ and I love it, but let's not sugar-coat things. PocketPCs have real issues. Cruise Brighthand and you'll see a lot of people who can't get their alarms to fire reliably without buying 3rd party utilities, for example. And there are lots of other classic Microsoft oversights, like how task alarms are FIXED at 8AM, and the travesty that is Pocket Word/Excel.

      The PocketPC named perfectly, for it is a Microsoft PC that fits in your pocket. We all know what that means. Some good stuff, some not so good stuff...

      When I counsel people on buying PDAs, my advice is simple... If you just want a reliable organizer, get a Palm. If you want a tiny computer that can be very powerful (but you are prepared for it to also be very aggravating at times), you should get a PocketPC.

      I have a PPC and I will never go back to Palm, but I can sure see why people buy them.

  17. Re:Odd... by gantrep · · Score: 5, Informative

    The operating system is officially released on the 23rd. However there have been several models of handhelds out for a little while that come with 2003. I've got a Toshiba like you that I got 3 days ago that came with it. It's an e355.

  18. is it possible... by dfj225 · · Score: 3, Informative

    to upgrade the os on an older pocket pc? I just bought a new Dell Axim and would very much like to install Pocket PC 2003. Also, I would settle on just being able to install the updated version of IE, cause the one on there now sucks.

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    1. Re:is it possible... by thynk · · Score: 3, Informative

      I just bought a new Dell Axim and would very much like to install Pocket PC 2003.

      Hmmm... I was interested in this since I order 2-4 Axims a week for work. I did a bit of digging around and here is what I found. This was on one of the Dell support pages Dated 17 Jun 03


      Thank you for using the Dell Community Forum.

      Yes, Pocket PC 2003 is real. I do not have a firm date when Dell will begin shipping Pocket PC 2003, or when upgrades will be available, or who will be eligible for free upgrades.

      One warning. I have been told that many applications that work in Pocket PC 2002 do not work in Pocket PC 2003. It appears that Pocket PC 2003 is a major Operating System upgrade and that some applications will have to be recompiled for it.

      I am at the moment testing a few applications on Pocket PC 2003, and so far I have only found one application, the game Argentum that will not run. I do not have a list of applications that will work with Pocket PC 2003, but I will try to keep you posted about any applications that I have trouble with.


      Hope the moderator of that forum isn't too upset that I quoted with out requesting permission, but to the best of my knowldge this is a open to the public site.

      It does look like there WILL be an upgrade path, that a ROM for the Axim has been developed (as this moderator had one) and that it doesn't melt your PPC when you install it.

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  19. PCMCIA Harddrive by cloudless.net · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You can add the PCMCIA jacket to an ipaq and insert a PCMCIA harddrive into it. Alternatively, there is a Pocket PC from UR There with a PCMCIA slot built-in. Either way the device would be too big to be Pocketable.

  20. Re:You mean Internet Explorer for Windows by jameslore · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'll bite :-)

    IE isn't standards compliant because it breaks several W3C standards and doesn't support many of the standards it implements properly. That's a fact I'm afraid. Whether or not the behaviour in IE should be standard is up for debate (though I choose Moz).

    IE isn't too bad, outstanding issues which make it a pain in the arse include:

    1) Bollocks PNG support. Alpha channel support needs a custom tag (DXImage filter or something similar).
    2) CSS box model, width includes margins/padding size.
    3) Doesn't support absolute positioning without width/height size: e.g.

    top: 100px;
    bottom: 100px;
    width: 100%;

    will result in a box 0px (unless there's content in which case it's the content height) and 100% wide. In mozilla and compliant broswers it is a box 100px from the top of the window to 100px from the bottom.
    4) Background positioning from a origin doesn't work (see CSS/Edge for a demo, link is on mozilla.org/start/1.0).
    5) CSS 2 content generation support is nonexistant. CSS 2 support in general is hit and miss.
    6) No support for W3C event system.
    7) Lots of other small issues which slip my mind at present :-)

    Lists of CSS support/bugs tend to be fairly easy to find on the net though many are a little out of date.

  21. Re:You mean Internet Explorer for Windows by Trelane · · Score: 3, Informative

    Opacity is in the upcoming CSS3 standard, which Mozilla is helping test. Thus, it was prefixed with moz- to specify that it wasn't in a full-fledged standard.

    Actually, a bug was found in CSS2 because of Mozilla's strict standards support (see Netscape's development documents on images in a table for more info).

    The nice thing about Mozilla is that its extensions tend to be obvious. TMK, all Mozilla off-standard stuff is recognizable as such, as you have so aptly demonstated (note the "moz-" prefix). Unlike Other Browsers which implement their extensions in unrecognizable fashion (e.g. MARQUEE tag).

    Anyhow, you're not talking about not supporting standards, you're talking of adding to the stuff out there (and note that I've shown that Mozilla is being a good citizen in this respect!). For supporting existing W3C standards, nothing is better than Mozilla, and IE falls far short. Example: DOM level 2 compliance, esp. wrt. event handling.

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  22. I live out of mine with pocketTN by Archfeld · · Score: 4, Insightful

    and the Terminal Services Client. My hardware DB(access, so its just barely a DB) is resident on the card. With that I have everything I need to support servers in 7 national and 4 international data centers, serving some 8 to 9 million email recipients. Now if someone could make WebSphere and a terminal server play nice I'd be golden :)

    I agree with you in theory on apps though....Most of our clients could in reality still be on the mainframe with 3270 connectivity and text email, but human nature being what it is...ooooo loook NEW PRETTY LIGHTS and BUZZERS....Droooool

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