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Microsoft Rolls Out Pocket PC 2003

An anonymous reader writes "Monday, June 23 was a big day for Microsoft's mobile devices software strategy. The company: (1) rolled out Pocket PC 2003 (and renamed it); (2) unveiled a new "Windows Mobile" branding strategy; and (3) launched a collaboration with three leading high-speed wireless service providers to provide easier access to more than 3,500 Wi-Fi wireless "hot spots" by Windows-powered PDAs throughout the US. All this (and more) is covered in this "special report" at WindowsForDevices.com (including a detailed list of enhancements in Pocket PC 2003)."

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  1. Windows by Bigby · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So they still aren't changing the name "Windows", since it has basically lost its trademark? You'd think they would change "Windows" to something else in all their OS products so they could trick..er..show that they actually changed the product (marketing scheme).

  2. Ah... marketing by awtbfb · · Score: 5, Funny


    ... rolled out Pocket PC 2003 (and renamed it)

    again

    1. Re:Ah... marketing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      our good ol' pal bill gates once said something to the effect that "People don't buy good products, they buy good marketing"

    2. Re:Ah... marketing by Bigby · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My guess is that they want to market the Pocket PC OS on "won't fit in my pocket" mobile electronics, like Tablet PCs. Would you rather use "Windows Mobile" or "Pocket PC" on Tablet PCs? Plus, because it has "Windows" in the name, it must be better just like MSN must be better because it is based on Microsoft technology. :)

    3. Re:Ah... marketing by YomikoReadman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But the scary part is that that statement is the absolute truth. Look at all the people that sign up for MSN, AOL, and own Windoze Boxes.

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    4. Re:Ah... marketing by malfunct · · Score: 3, Interesting
      They will never use the Mobile version of windows on tablet PC. The whole idea of tablet pc is to have a full desktop OS (Windows XP Tablet Edition) on hardware the size of a notebook. Its a "full power" pc with features of a pocket PC.

      PocketPC always has windows in the name, since it was Windows CE Pocket PC. Renaming is definitely a marketing thing though, when you rename something people think its new and give it another look. I don't think this is bad, its just the way things work. I'm glad that you can recognize that just because the name changed doesn't mean anything else changed, but its no reason to be upset about a product.

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  3. Why new name? by Anime_Fan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I see that the Pocket PC will be named Windows Mobile. It seems they want to use another brand, possibly to increase the wide-spread usage of the word 'Windows', but why?
    I for one have always thought PocketPC as something that is LESS Microsoft, which is a Good Thing (TM). I would never buy a copy of Windows XP while I could consider buying a PocketPC (but not a Windows Mobile)...

    I don't know what to do *Cries in horror*

    1. Re:Why new name? by gringer · · Score: 3, Funny

      You could think of novel ways to combine the two words to create a negative connotation.

      I like the sound of WinBile.

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    2. Re:Why new name? by tmark · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Let's see. You know that Microsoft is behind both products, and you believe Windows sucks. But at the same time, you would consider buying a product if the OS is called "PocketPC", but you wouldn't consider buying the SAME product if it was called "Windows Mobile".

      Microsoft's marketing department is changing the product name precisely BECAUSE of people like you who are going to buy a product purely on name alone, its merits or lack of same notwithstanding. For more users than not, the Windows association is a *good* thing and the PocketPc nomenclature was probably confusing to many of them.

    3. Re:Why new name? by James+Lewis · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It seems rather silly to buy or not by something purely because of the name. Pocket PC is just as Microsoft as Windows XP is. They make almost all of the software the comes standard on the device. If you have some vendetta against MS, then you would be served best by looking past whatever MS decides to call their products and simply look at what products they make. I on the other hand, buy the best product available. Rarely does idiology factor into my buying (or software use) decisions. As such, I have both windows and linux, and I them for what I find them most suited to be used as.

  4. Viewsonic V37??? by devaldez · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Does this mean they'll finally start shipping the MSDN freebie?! That would be nice...

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  5. Interesting timing on this announcement by bshroyer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I imagine that it wasn't a wild coincidence that Microsoft launches this product on the same day that a big part of the computer world is waiting on pins and needles to hear what Apple has to say at the WWDC, which won't begin for another few hours.

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    1. Re:Interesting timing on this announcement by Surak · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Pins and needles"? Nah, I don't think so. I think many people are interested in what Apple has to say, sure. I am. Probably so is much of the Slashdot crowd. Maybe some people are on "pins and needles" but these people would be on pins and needles if Apple was about to announce that future Macintoshes will be offered in 31 flavors including chocolate chip cookie dough.

      Honestly, I don't think Microsoft gives Apple that much credence. Such will be their downfall.

    2. Re:Interesting timing on this announcement by TopShelf · · Score: 4, Funny

      The "pins and needles" are because they've been sitting around so long waiting for the next epoch-changing move from Apple that their butts have fallen asleep!

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  6. Industry Name Identity Problem? by peterdaly · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Is it just me, or do you think cell-phone company when you read "Windows Mobile"?

    -Pete

  7. obligatory theregister link by spiny · · Score: 5, Informative

    theres also a summary here:

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/68/31369.ht ml

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  8. Who cares? by CaptainZapp · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Ok, apologies for seemingly being a luddite, but who actually cares?

    WiFi might be nice to give you added flexibility, but frankly do I really frantically want to search a hot spot every hour in order to download my 7 mails from which usually 7 are spam? I don't think so.

    Granted, it might be nice to pass your time by browsing the web when you wait for a train. But I can do that just fine with a newspaper.

    Methinks this is a rather desperate attempt to (finally) get a foot into the mobile, wireless world and Microsofts attempt to lure (GSM-)manufacturers/network providers in can only be described as a spectacular failure up to now.

    Also, WiFi is not the GSM killer; a notion which seems popular in the US, but it's just plain wrong. Those are two very, very different technologies with very different objectives..

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    1. Re:Who cares? by rosewood · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ill work your post backwards.

      Right on! It drives me crazy to read all these stories (on my pda) about how 802.11b > * . Grr. I do NOT want to go from hotspot to hotspot on my cell phone. Why do these crack smoking writers keep thinking that wifi is this amazing shiznit?

      Then, there is the whole Bluetooth v Wifi debate ... thats not even a debate. Seriously, I want to close my eyes and wait for that shit storm to pass.

      Wifi only as a time killer? Maybe... but think outside the box (heh). I use wifi on my Pocket PC all the time when I am on campus ... to read the current news / message boards while I take a crap. Crude? Yes. Enjoyable, yes!

      Actually I enjoy it more because ive taught my clients to IM me most of their questions, so I can easily respond while I am on campus.

    2. Re:Who cares? by Surak · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Also, WiFi is not the GSM killer; a notion which seems popular in the US, but it's just plain wrong. Those are two very, very different technologies with very different objectives..

      Yeah...it's that whole U.S. mentality of "live free or die." People envision a world of free or very, very cheap wireless hotspots.

      What they don't get is that WiFi is for wireless LANs. It doesn't scale very well beyond providing wireless access for laptops and PDAs to a LAN and it's resources. And it doesn't even do that very well all the time, at least not until some of the major bugs are still being worked out of the technology.

      Seattle Wireless is cool and all, but take that on a national or global scale -- it just doesn't work.

    3. Re:Who cares? by bleh-of-the-huns · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I am not sure what the deal is with wifi/gsm debates. But I believe this has something to do with possibly putting high gain wifi antennas on cell towers, and making phones with wifi built in. This would make for cheaper (and hopefully unlimited bandwidth at a flat fee) data service, in conjunction with cell services. as the current 3g technology is a little flakey. I am supposed to be able to get 1.5 megs down, 256k up via my phone, but I rarely get more then 45k in any direction, and at 0.008 cents per k, after my initial 4 megs.. I can rack up quite a bill by the end of the month.

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    4. Re:Who cares? by bleh-of-the-huns · · Score: 2, Informative

      I quite like bluetooth, although my phone has infra red, sometimes its a pain to sync data across it, and pull data from my phone. So I use bluetooth to transfer the data (my phone plays mp3's, but the damn multimedia card is under the simcard/battery, so its a pain to pull it in and out all the time). also, work well with bluetooth between my ipaq and phone (and maybe bluetooth wireless headset if they come down in price, and size cos they look rediculous currently).

      Bluetooth connects devices within a limited range, wifi connects devices to a network, why do people try to use bluetooth as a network device, I dont know (and it is possible), but really, apples and oranges.

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    5. Re:Who cares? by costas · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I agree; Microsoft cares. Here's my take: Microsoft is aware that every major computer (or any technology) platform has been replaced ultimately by a lower-tier, commodity replacement. Big iron by mainframes, then minicomputers, then workstations and PCs. Their entire future and fortune depends on their control of one commodity platform, the Wintel PC. However, there is a huge emergent platform out there, and that is mobile phones and devices that talk to them, not the PC.

      I travel globally, mostly Europe and Asia; although PCs are common outside the US, mobiles are ubiquitious. Fifteen year olds SMS while waiting for a bus in Hong Kong and Paris and London, while they may just occasionally double-click on an IE icon on a desktop at home or a net cafe.

      Most of the /. crowd extrapolates from the US life-style which is car- and PC-centric while most of the world is public-transport- and mobile-centric; mobiles are much more useful and much more attractive to an average user, because they have much higher network value: think of it like this: PCs became a killer app when they started talking to each other, either via common standard or common networks. Power law of network value and all that... well, how can you compete for network nodes with cells?

      Microsoft is feeling the hit of an emerging, cost-competitive commodity platform and they want to hedge their bets. However, history is against them; Nokia makes much better phone UIs and they are riding GSM whereas MS has to deal with the fragmented and underdeveloped US cell market...

  9. Dell Axim and Upgrades by JimmyG13 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Does anybody know if existing Pocket PC 2002 models will be upgradable to 2003 (Especially the Dell Axim)?

    1. Re:Dell Axim and Upgrades by WickedLittleSlaveBoy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      well, looks like Dell will be selling upgrades for around $30.

      cnet article

      aximusers.com

      think I'm going to pass on this one. considering I've been kicking myself since I bought it, I think I'll save the money for a new iPaq.

  10. Apple? by Jon+Abbott · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Here's to hoping that Apple truly does announce a 64-bit workstation today -- that will nicely put Microsoft's announcements in perspective. :^)

    /me dons asbestos suit...

    1. Re:Apple? by borgboy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Into what perspective exactly? That Microsoft released their 64-bit workstation OS almost 3 months ago?

      Just to be balanced...here is a shipping product.

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    2. Re:Apple? by SN74S181 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You mean Apple will finally have a 64-bit machine?

      Kinda late, but I guess they've finally been invented. Now someone else can come along and copy them with, err, the Sparc and the Alpha.....

      They finally have symmetric multiprocessing (got it by buying it in from outside the company after failing time after time after time to implement their own SMP OS), so they might as well have the capability of slapping 'Now with 64 bits!' stickers on those plastic cases as well.

    3. Re:Apple? by GoofyBoy · · Score: 2, Funny


      How about a PDA from Apple?

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  11. A Little Early?? by Flamesplash · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Monday, June 23 was a big day for Microsoft's mobile devices software strategy.

    What do you mean was? It's still before 7am in Redmond, and only approaching 10am on the east coast. Sounds more like marketing.

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  12. uh oh, an guaranteed success. by Ubergrendle · · Score: 4, Funny

    Damn, Microsoft has hit their "version 3" of pocket devices...this is going to be a sure thing.

    1) Windows CE
    2) Windows Pocket PC
    3) Windows Pcoket PC 2003

    Damn you Microsoft! Damn you to hell!!!!!!

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    1. Re:uh oh, an guaranteed success. by generic-man · · Score: 2, Informative

      This is actually the fifth version of Windows CE. Windows CE 3.0 has been out for years. Reviews of WinCE devices came out in 2000, for cryin' out loud.

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  13. Re:News for Nerds? by OscarGunther · · Score: 5, Insightful

    (Yeah, it's a troll, but I'll answer anyway.)

    Because the dislike for Microsoft largely isn't irrational. I use Windows at work and at home, and generally like the product. I don't mind Microsoft trying to be all things to all people, but I do mind the way it tries to shut everyone else out of the market. There's a fine line between responsible and irresponsible competition and Microsoft straddles that line.

    That's one of the reasons I'd like to see Linux succeed: to act as a brake on Microsoft's behavior. (Another is that I think Linux is kinda cool and I like the ethics surrounding its development.)

    Do some here have a knee-jerk response to all things Microsoft? Sure, but it's mostly born of experience.

  14. Wow! by zulux · · Score: 4, Funny

    The NEW EXCITING Pocket PC 2003.NET - the best possible portable Bluescreen(tm) technology, now optomised for Intel Xscale for a 20% faster experience.

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  15. branding strategy by ch-chuck · · Score: 3, Funny

    Should you feel a sharp sting on your buttocks and the smell of searing flesh, don't worry, it's just Msft's Branding Strategy - simply continue walking down the chute and back out into the stock yard.

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  16. Since We've Slashdotted them.. by abcxyz · · Score: 4, Informative

    According to Microsoft's Pocket PC 2003 Reviewer's Guide, the following new features and enhancements are contained in the newly announced 2003 version of the Pocket PC software platform . . .
    Enhanced Connection Manager user interface (UI) -- A new and more intuitive Connection Manager wizard features enhanced tabs to give users more control over selecting networks and setting dialing preferences.

    Zero Configuration connections -- Pocket PC 2003 has added Zero Configuration for Wi-Fi, designed to simplify connection with and authentication to 802.11 wireless networks. Zero Configuration is also supported when adding a dial-up modem or Ethernet network card.

    Improved animated connectivity status icons -- When using the cellular phone features of the PPC, new connectivity icons have been merged onto the navigation bar to better illustrate radio signal strength and data flow.

    Improved connectivity bubbles -- Connectivity message bubbles are clearer and less cluttered and more easily convey information about connection status, synchronization and signal strength.

    Bluetooth partnership wizard -- New wizard pops up at (Settings | Bluetooth | Paired Device Tab | New), which turns on the radio, searches for available devices and asks users to set a PIN to pair with a device. This feature allows users to easily configure Bluetooth bonding.

    Always-on Bluetooth discoverability -- The Bluetooth discoverable mode stays turned on after users activate it (until users manually changes the setting) to allow for easy Bluetooth bonding.

    Use of Bluetooth modems -- Bluetooth phones may be used as a modem to connect the Pocket PC to the Internet. This feature represents Microsoft's commitment to serving OEMs and mobile operators and to supporting the growing popularity of the Bluetooth wireless connection standard.

    Bluetooth beaming -- Users can now beam data such as Contact files using Bluetooth.

    Auto-correct -- Common spelling errors are automatically corrected during typing. Auto-correct can easily be overridden. (Not available in East Asia.)

    Auto-suggest -- Auto-suggest is extended to the email inbox, allowing users to type email more quickly.

    Turn all radios off -- One-touch ability allows users to turn off all wireless radios (802.11x, Bluetooth, cell phone, etc.) to conserve device power when not on a network or allow other features to be used while traveling on an airplane when cell phones must be turned off.

    802.1x support -- 802.1x Wi-Fi security is supported natively.

    Certificate Management UI -- New control panel applet allows users to manage client and root certificates. This is useful when users have installed a bad certificate and have difficulty logging onto Wi-Fi networks.

    IPSec/L2TP -- Windows CE provides the support for IPSec L2TP (the Microsoft VPN standard for connectivity).

    Support for Multiple VPNs -- The new Connection Manager also supports multiple VPNs.

    IPv6 support -- PPC now supports IPv6/v4 mixed environments.

    New Today screen -- Today screen automatically shows users the next day's appointments immediately after the last current day appointment expires to better manage early morning meetings.

    Smart Lookup in Contacts -- Pocket PC 2003 incorporates Smart Lookup, a feature that enables users to input the first few letters of the contact they want to open.

    Windows CE 4.2 operating system -- With the new and improved operating system, Windows CE 4.2, users will experience improved performance and stability of applications built for Pocket PC 2003 devices. .NET Compact Framework -- The integrated .NET Compact Framework brings the power of new applications that simplify the overall development and integration of Web services on smart devices, enabling developers and enterprise end users to access a wealth of data from various sources such as back-end servers, intranets and the Internet.

    Enhanced developer support

  17. Only slightly offtopic by boatboy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    We've just begun a project developing an app for .NET Compact Framework, and I have to say, I'm impressed. RAD for a wide range of CE & Pocket PC devices using C# and VB.NET is quite inticing. The framework is fairly light, considering, but is similar enough to the full framework that it's esentially identical to programming for a full PC. Debuging is cool too: you can debug on an emulated or real-live device.

    That said: what are /.'s alternatives for rapidly developing mobile business apps?

  18. PocketPC devices just make me... by Glock27 · · Score: 4, Funny
    WinCE.

    After all, you're buying from a convicted criminal...

    :-)

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  19. name changing by SuperQ · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Name changing is basicaly a way to try and get people to forget how much your product sucks. two name changes is realy bad.

    Take Pascal for example, a teaching language, that has some major suck factor for real world programing. But a bunch of tech school clubies started using it for real world apps.

    Most real developers know it sucks, so they renamed it to Delphi, just to confuse people into using it.

    1. Re:name changing by illusion_2K · · Score: 2, Informative

      Although I haven't used Delphi recently, I think you're a bit confused about it.

      They didn't 'rename' anything with Delphi. Delphi is a RAD tool which utilizes Object Pascal as it's base language (Okay... so they renamed it to 'Object Pascal'... that's what happens when you make it OO). Having used it myself in the past (well, about 5-6 years ago), I can say that in my opinion it's ***way*** better than VB. The code seems to me to be a lot cleaner and nowadays you can port your stuff to Linux really easily via Kylix (or so I understand - not having used it myself).

      Anyway, this is pretty much totally offtopic...

  20. Yes by kajoob · · Score: 3, Informative

    This was posted in a previous article, it is from a "contact" from within Dell. Whatever that means, but it seems legit.

    Thank you for using the Dell Community Forum.

    Yes, Pocket PC 2003 is real. I do not have a firm date when Dell will begin shipping Pocket PC 2003, or when upgrades will be available, or who will be eligible for free upgrades.

    One warning. I have been told that many applications that work in Pocket PC 2002 do not work in Pocket PC 2003. It appears that Pocket PC 2003 is a major Operating System upgrade and that some applications will have to be recompiled for it.

    I am at the moment testing a few applications on Pocket PC 2003, and so far I have only found one application, the game Argentum that will not run. I do not have a list of applications that will work with Pocket PC 2003, but I will try to keep you posted about any applications that I have trouble with.

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    1. Re:Yes by WickedLittleSlaveBoy · · Score: 2, Informative

      just had a look at the Dell support site. no new ROMs yet, but it does look like you can order an Axim with 2003 as of this morning.

  21. Sounds good to me. by djdole · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I myself like that Microsoft renamed this version. With the name "Pocket PC" many people have abbreviated that even further to just PPC. When searching for software ventors, it's jsut a bit frustrating to be looking for Pocket PC software and keep getting Power PC related links. Both use PPC as their Acronym.

    Now all I have to worry about is a bout of retardism making me type MSM, to get SMS...:-p

    But anything MS does to improve their products is should be viewed as a welcome change.

  22. Interesting... by Combuchan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... how slashdot uses an old Palm Pilot icon for Microsoft PocketPC announcements.

    </pedantic>

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  23. PocketPC? by Tsali · · Score: 2, Funny

    So when does the PocketPool module come out?

    Arm your Digimon against the Microsoft Menace!

    T.

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  24. HotSpots by SomeOtherGuy · · Score: 2, Funny

    3,500 Wi-Fi wireless "hot spots"

    Make that 3,501 if you are standing within 20 feet of my basement window.

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  25. One word by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    J2ME.

    That's only of course if you want to write apps that will work on an order of magnititude more devices...

    Including the PocketPC, and many many cellphones.

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  26. Re:The OS licensing is muddled, as usual... by InSpiteOf · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Actually it is not PocketPC 2003 (GET IT RIGHT ALREADY, hehe) it is "Windows Mobile 2003 software for Pocket PCs". Oh, and CE.NET is already released, it has been released for a while now. CE.NET 4.2 was actually released in April by memory. In fact 4.0 and 4.1 were released in fairly quick successions last year (I figure due to major bugfixes/distribution cock-ups???)

    Windows Mobile (aka PocketPC 2003) is based on CE.NET 4.2 to be precise.

    The version I think you are talking about is the one slated to be based on the .NET Compact framework. The .NET cf is entirely different to CE.NET which is just an alias for the 4.x OS version. It unfortunately did not undergo the last minute name withdrawal like Windows Server 2003 (ie. Windows Server .NET). That version is rumoured to be released in a couple of years. I would imagine it's a complete rewrite.

    I'm a little worried about all this name changing, it sounds like a complete mess. Hasn't Microsoft already learnt from the .NET fiasco. That is not to rename their products and cause dramatic confusion in the industry. Many people are increasingly seeing Microsoft as inconsistent and totally lacking in any direction. Confidence is dwindling.

    I gather this name change is to align themselves for the next onslaught in ... M$ vs SYMBIAN/NOKIA/PALM/WORLD.

  27. Microsoft Rolls Out Pocket PC 2003 by pmz · · Score: 3, Funny

    Geez, so it comes with wheels, now? It that what they mean by "mobile"?

  28. Apple is the trailblazer by visionsofmcskill · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Apple is commonly referred to as "R&D south" by the Redmond campus. This term is quite apt of how most big players look at apple.

    essentialy apple is probably the greatest trend setter in consumer computers. The big boys don't use thier resources to explore new design concepts and tech use. Instead they watch apple roll out new products, and see whether or not they are succesfull and viable (iPOD + Itunes Music Store, iMac) or just a bad idea (cube).

    Apple hsn't got market share, they've got style share, or should i say... they are trendy. If something works within the apple community, it is almost garenteed to work in the windows community. Thus Companies who watch apples endeavors closely, can get a good idea on what markets to tackle, and what to leave alone.

    There are reasons why apple's brand and OS/hardware have a much higher user satisfaction, it's because they spend almost as much money (and more in some cases) on product development than the much larger players (MS, IBM, DELL, HP, etc...). They also can afford to do so... it's their identity, and what keeps them alive. Since apple has it's own market, it doesn't have to worry about it's dollars spent on reasearch vs dollars spent on market growth in comparison to other players in the same space.

    That is, dell must keep a tight budget on it's spedning, because they've got to save money to fight off sony, toshiba, HP, and others in distribution and identity. Whereas apple's identity is secure and has no DIRECT competitors in it's market (albeit a much smaller market, though apple ships nearly as many machines as the big boys do individualy) so apple's main goal is to preserve their identity of being something appealing, different and very well made. Part of being very well made and different AND APPEALING is TONS of R&D.

    I hear rumors that panther (OS X 10.3) will have native ActiveDirectory support along with a 970 at 2ghz (which should be on par with a P4 at 3.5ghz or so), Coupled with a 1ghz FSB along with a crapload of hardware goodies.... it looks like apple may be making a play for being more than trendy... but a horse-powered consumer product as well. If the next rumor is true... the implications are huge.

    Panther supposedly has a fully featured multi-user environment built for wireless displays. As in you can have 6 people with all of their own wireless displays connected to the same computer in their house. Each one has a full user environment complete with aqua and everything. Eliminating the need for multiple machines, and providing one point of data storage and access. The implications are quite similar to what was expected to be thin client computing of our day (everyone has a dumb terminal that runs from a server somewhere)

    but we shall see what happens. I personaly love the ideas of all these things, and think they would be great if implemented by apple (since apple does a stellar job on their projects)... but also find apple's releasal of products to be inconsistent, and often rumors are just that. Rumors.

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  29. screenshots and benchmarks here by cloudless.net · · Score: 2, Informative

    Screenshots: http://pdajunkie.net/index.html?pdajunkie_net_ppc2 003.htm&2 Benchmarks: http://www.pdabuyersguide.com/ipaq_2215.htm

  30. if someone actually cares - Tosh e740 by dubStylee · · Score: 3, Informative

    133 comments so far and not a single one says anything other than "M$ sux", well, gee, I (and everyone else who reads /.) knew that already, what's your point?

    On the very limited possibility that someone is reading this thread for information, I just talked to Toshiba and they say that you get 2003 for free if you purchased an e75x after May 1, everyone else (including e740 owners) needs to pay $50 by calling 1-888-874-8247. I, for one, am going to get it just for the improvements in IE.

  31. First Pocket PC 2003 MS Knowledgebase article by tf23 · · Score: 4, Funny
  32. Delphi: the real story! by fm6 · · Score: 2, Informative
    Your history is a little off. Two big mistakes:

    First, a lot of serious programmers dispute your estimate of Pascal's suck factor. Intel certainly didn't think so when they designed the 80x86 stack frame to efficiently support Pascal nested procedures. The Pascal-versus-C debate continues to this day, though I think in all practical terms C has won the argument.

    I used to believe in the "teaching language run amuck" theory of Pascal's origins too. But that was before I started using Object Pascal in the real world, and found that it had many of the virtues of Java. The biggest of these is simplicity -- it's a lot easier to read OP code than the equivalent C++ code. And this simplicity also makes Object Pascal better suited for IDE work than C++. Since Object Pascal can be compiled in a single pass, it's a lot easier for the IDE to keep track of your changes.

    Second, there's the name change: your understanding of the time frame is mistaken. It's a pretty common mistake: I heard it when Borland hired me in late 1999. But in fact the official name of the language was still "Object Pascal" when I was hired. Perhaps the documentation confused this issue by being sloppy about what features were in the IDE, which were in the object framework, and which were in the language itself -- too easy to just say "Delphi" and be done with it.

    The official change actually came only last year, while I was still working there. Basically, they just wanted to more closely identify Kylix with its Windows sister product Delphi. Never understood why they didn't just call Kylix "Delphi for Linux".