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Collapsible LCD Screens

Schart writes "I can't seem to find any pictures of exactly what they mean by 'collapsible LCD,' but NEC today announced a new line of low(ish) priced LCD screens that 'fold up for easy portability.'" Anyone out there who can supply visual documentation?

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  1. about time... by LBArrettAnderson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    this is exactly what the world's been looking for.... we want smaller devices BUT larger displays. this'll be great.

    1. Re:about time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Forget folding LCDs - a technology whose time will NEVER arrive. What we want is fold-up or roll-up screens. Remember the "electric paper" display units? These things will be in colour pretty shortly, plus they don't lose the image when you remove the power!

      Imagine your laptop, which is half the size of a normal keyboard (folded in half), with a display folded like a map inside it. Remove the display, unfold it to 2 metres x 1 metre, stick it on any wall less than 6 metres away, and presto - wireless display.

      The unit will auotmatically select what display mode you want, and what size, based on how you unfold it, and the display will know where it is still folded, and only display across the area intended for viewing. So you'll be able to unfold it to quarter-size while it's close to you (on a desk) but move up to the full size when you unfold all of it.

      LCD - BAH!

      OLED and I might be impressed... ;)

    2. Re:about time... by LBArrettAnderson · · Score: 2, Insightful

      well, a PDA for example. or a laptop. i would love to one day see a PDA with an optional fold out monitor with a high enough resolution to support an everyday PC operating system as opposed to specialized ones for low disk space and a small screen. we probably don't have the technology to do that yet, but eventually it will come.

    3. Re:about time... by FlyingRobin13 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      stick it on any wall less than 6 metres away, and presto - wireless display.
      ... and it won't even matter if the wall is flat, or if you're looking at it straight on because the screen will reccognise these differences and adjust pixel placement to give a non-distorted, parralell perspective view no matter /where/ you look at it from!

    4. Re:about time... by elcid73 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Anyway, if you could create a fold-up LCD, what would stand in the way of a fold-up OLED?
      Nothing... http://www.universaldisplay.com/foled.php
    5. Re:about time... by Froggie · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Assuming foldable screens fold as well as paper, you get 8 or 9 folds max. (Try this. Any piece of paper will do, it's the same for all sizes, supposedly.) I can see that being a problem - 2m^2 / 2^7 is as small as you describe - just - but any fewer folds and you'd be in trouble. Also, folded at 8 times, it's 256 layers - perhaps a bit thick to fit in a compartment in your laptop...

      I thought most ideas on this sort of thing assumed that a screen would be rolled up rather than folded, anyway. So your shortest dimension is 1m.

    6. Re:about time... by carlos_benj · · Score: 2, Funny

      Assuming foldable screens fold as well as paper, you get 8 or 9 folds max.

      Not if you use an accordion pleated fold. Well, at least accordion to my sources....

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    7. Re:about time... by OrangeTide · · Score: 2, Funny

      If the roll up uses the same thing that those vinyl roll up white window shades and seatbelts do I'll never be able to get it to work.

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  2. Cool, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now I can fold up my porn and put it my pocket!

    1. Re:Cool, by da3dAlus · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, it's called Playboy magazine, and it's much cheaper than the LCD. Think man, which would you rather have sticking together: a few pages of a $5 magazine, or the edges of a $500 folding LCD? Sheesh!

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    2. Re:Cool, by Forkenhoppen · · Score: 4, Funny

      Woohoo! Now internet porn can finally have centerfolds!

    3. Re:Cool, by pyrote · · Score: 4, Funny

      great, first I need to encrypt, then firewall, vpn, virus scanner, and now I need a latex sheet!

      When will it end!?!

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  3. why by teklob · · Score: 4, Interesting

    whats the point in having a folding lcd monitor? it's not like portability is a huge factor when you still have to plug it into your computer

    1. Re:why by sixdotoh · · Score: 2, Funny

      well, for those of us who like to lug our towers around! this will save a whole lot of space on those long airline flights ;)

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    2. Re:why by Shishak · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Remember the IBM laptops that had a keyboard that would open up to full size? Imagine a laptop LCD that opens up like a pop-up card to a full 23" LCD screen when in use but fold down to 15" when not in use.

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    3. Re:why by zakezuke · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I can see an advantage when shipping a LCD monitor. While I don't have an accurate picture, but rather like a laptop where the action of closing the lid protexts the screen when putting in your bag, a folding screen could serve to protect it when shipping.

      Also.... There are those people who are offended by dust on their screens. folding down your screen, like a laptop would serve to keep dust off the screen when it's not active.

      As far as a business arangement, I can imagine being spoken to by someone behind a desk who folds down their monitor so they can see who they are speaking to.

      Lastly, one issue for failure in some laptops is the clamshell hinge. Though personaly I've only seen them fail on cheeper laptops, but never the less I could see some room for improvement in that design.

      But honestly, if I wanted that sorta design personaly, I think i'd go with a laptop style screen, if not a physical laptop. Makes life so much easier.

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    4. Re:why by Blacksnake · · Score: 2, Informative

      Some people may have already touched on this, but it is a truly valid point. This folding LCD technology is incredibly useful for frequent LAN meeting attendees, and although this is not a very large overall product market, I know quite a few of these gamers who would shell out some serious cash just to make it easier for them to move all of their equipment to the meetings. The fact that some people would be willing to pay serious money to have a more easily portable monitor almost outweighs the fact that this is a very small portion of the entire computer community.

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  4. Picture this by Shriek · · Score: 3, Funny

    Excuse me while I go take a picture of an LCD falling on my head. Then you'll have one of a 'Collapsible LCD' :)

  5. Oh come now... by Trespass · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Folding LCD + NLX case = portable gaming computer for LAN parties, RV'ing, etc.

  6. Confused by Davak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Okay... if I want a portable screen, I'll buy a laptop.

    Sure the screens come in 17 inches... but come on, I don't know why portable screens would be so helpful.

    Somebody give me some actual uses... I just can't think of any that a laptop wouldn't do just as well.

    The only thing I can think of would be nice to display a powerpoint presentation from my PDA -- however, a laptop would still do better.

    Anyway, I think it's cool. Just give me some reasons.

    Davak

    1. Re:Confused by dontbgay · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I can see an ideal use in the business sector. Depending on the cost and the size of the display, you could use it for your powerpoint presentations without dropping $10,000 for a projector and still get the same effect. For those of you that use your computer for music production with a MIDI keyboard, picture setting up a 2 ft. screen over your keyboard instead of having to keep your head on a swivel to manipulate your programs. Keep an open mind on this.. i'm sure there's plenty of other uses out there.

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    2. Re:Confused by leasilver · · Score: 3, Informative
      'the new monitors provide a protective black bezel acrylic screen with flexible silver cabinet and stand that adjusts to a variety of angles including flat against its base'


      This 'portable monitor', isn't anything more than a screen with a base that can collapse. No folding screen. LCD's do not lend themselves to that kind of abuse and, if you read the article, it says that is only folds into the base, the display itself does not fold. Gimmick, gimmick.

  7. This is great news... by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Several years ago (circa 1995 if my memory serves me right) IBM produced a regular-sized notebook which had a full-sized keyboard. This "butterfly" keyboard was the closest anyone has ever come to producing a desktop-type experience in a notebook package but the screen was still no better than that on any other notebook.

    Now, with these foldable screens, we'll finally see ultra-ultra portable notebooks with 15in. dispays and usable keyboards in smaller packages than currently possible.

    Of course, it'll be a long time until these babies are anything but top-of-the-line models but, eventually, they'll be available at the lower-end of the market too.

    I can't wait to see one.

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    1. Re:This is great news... by arbitrary · · Score: 2, Informative

      Several years ago (circa 1995 if my memory serves me right) IBM produced a regular-sized notebook which had a full-sized keyboard. This "butterfly" keyboard was the closest anyone has ever come to producing a desktop-type experience in a notebook package but the screen was still no better than that on any other notebook.

      The thinkpad you're referring to is the 701C. I had one back in high school, it was a great little machine, and the "magical" keyboard never failed to impress =)

      -A

  8. The World's 1st Foldable LCD by cloudless.net · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The world's 1st foldable LCD

    Can't find a photo of it yet, but the article says "The seam between the two panels is less than 1 mm"

    1. Re:The World's 1st Foldable LCD by Daz3d · · Score: 2, Funny

      They've already been beaten to it! http://perso.club-internet.fr/musepat/donkey_p.jpg

    2. Re:The World's 1st Foldable LCD by MarcoAtWork · · Score: 2, Insightful

      1mm is -HUGE- I mean, come on, the human eye can see the difference between text printed at 300dpi and 1200 dpi: a gap of even a 10th of a mm would be extremely irritating (at least for me)

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  9. Found something . . . by $calar · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.etechkorea.info/articles/20020501001.ph p

    Don't know if this constitutes what everyone is looking for, but you can see that there is no border in the center portion where it folds.

    1. Re:Found something . . . by aerojad · · Score: 2, Informative

      Or simply just a direct link to the picture, since the text is the same.

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  10. No to be outdone by Sony.. by deunan_k · · Score: 2, Funny
    Didn't recently we slashdot-ed the Sony bendable PDA.. Duh..

    Well and good if you can fold the LCD monitor, but what's the use if you can't fold the the CPU!

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  11. expandable PDA display by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What I want is a PDA with the form factor of a palm, that I can attach a portable screen for more real estate - like if I want to look at a manual or book with diagrams.

    The killer app for ebooks and PDA's could well be reference material.

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    1. Re:expandable PDA display by r84x · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I think you are on to something here. I cannot tell you how many times I have thought, "Man, I wish I had a dictionary/map/encyclopedia/etc. right now" when I go to pull out my PocketPC.

      I am going on a trip to Rocky Mountain National Park in a couple days, and have downloaded some topo maps that display poorly on my tiny LCD. (Buying paper maps cost money that I don't have...)

      As a previous poster said though, folding is not where it's at, what we really need is a cheap-ish roll out display, one that will also be able to take the wear and tear of repeated use.

      As long as I am on my little wish list here, I also think that there is a market for a outdoor/weatherproof/rugged PDA. If such a thing already exists, please excuse my ignorance.

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    2. Re:expandable PDA display by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Exactly, I forgot to mention that but topo maps are also one of the things on my mind, since they display so poorly on a PDA screen. And with an external ePaper display, you could update the paper and then disconnect from the PDA - so you could load content on demand.

      I think an outdoor PDA is a great idea... My Palm V in a hard case is very rugged but not at all waterproof. Something with the same durability but also with environmental seals would be perfect.

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    3. Re:expandable PDA display by Total_Wimp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      On the other hand, you can make your own portable folding display for your maps by using a printer...

  12. easy to ship as well by stonebeat.org · · Score: 5, Funny

    yup. they ship the monitor in the standard 3x7 envelope too. pay 35 cents for shipping and handeling.

  13. Messed up description by beerman2k · · Score: 4, Informative
    From the article (emphisis mine)...
    With an ultra thin-frame bezel on all sides of the screen, the new streamlined models not only reduce usersâ(TM) horizontal desktop space but their attractive design also complements home environments at all angles.
    So this monintor reduces my desktop space and it's attractive? What a deal. This has to be some kind of typo, but what the hell were they trying to say?
  14. Folding Screens by YomikoReadman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I was reading an article that was given a link by another poster - http://www.samsungsdi.co.kr/sdi_en/news/news_view. jsp?page=3&no=775&type=null&searchtext=nul l - and it would seem that this is intended to be more along the lines of an e-book reader, as opposed to a new pda or a new style of laptop. Personally, I see this as a great leap forward for e-books, which i have had a fair amount of interest in from their inception a few years ago. I think it would be really great if i could go back with serial numbers from all of the hard copies of books that i have and get e-book versions of them, which would allow me to take more than a half-dozen paper backs with me whenever i travel or go TDY. Can't wait to see where this tech goes from here.

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  16. Shame about the center by Kris_J · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The center is so important in games -- it's where my Diablo II character always is. I'd prefer two half-sized peices either side than a fold in the middle

    1. Re:Shame about the center by KFury · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "what?? two half-sized peices on either side?? Isn't that the same thing as a fold in the middle?"

      No. He means there is a half-size piece in the center, and two quarter-sized pieces on each side, that can fold in to cover the half-size. His nomenclature assumes that the center piece is equivalent to a 'full sized' display, and the two 'wings' are half-sized, and on either side.

  17. Hmmm by sbszine · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Forgive my scepticism, but looking at the picture this seems awfully similar to two adjacent screens.

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  18. would be good for many games by Squarewav · · Score: 3, Interesting

    you could take say quake3 bend the screen a bit and up the fov that way when you look to the left you see guys that are to the left of you, without so much distortion from just uping the fov on a flat screen

  19. Cool by Klimaxor · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I like the idea. Some may think "well, it's 13lbs, that's not so portable" But you have to look at it this way. Whether you haul your system to and from LAN's every week, or even move it from location to location once a year, it's common knowledge that if you can the make the package smaller, it won't get harmed as easily. Even with current day LCD's, the worry of scratching the screen, or something else, makes people put them in a box, which takes up room, and is a general pain in the ass. If you can fold it up, especially so that the entire screen is enclosed, what the hell, put the monitor in your glove box and save room in the moving vehicle for other stuff (like that abnormally large chair that is just really comfortable and you just CAN'T compute without it)

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    1. Re:Cool by Klimaxor · · Score: 2, Insightful
      who care about how you LAN party guys think, it's only like 0.0001% of population
      They may be a small percentage of the population, but they are also the ones that keep on eye on the newest technology, and spend the most on the newest technology. The rest of the population doesn't have to keep their FPS as high as possible, their monitors big, and their equipment easy to carry
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  20. 20+ years too late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Collapsible LCD?

    Nintendo had that decades ago with Donkey Kong! :)

    1. Re:20+ years too late by ciroknight · · Score: 4, Funny

      No no, nintendo gave us collaspable LSD not LCD....

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  21. Hellooo Trintron! by SuperBanana · · Score: 5, Interesting

    1980's, Sony: "You'll never notice those two 'faint' grey lines!" 2003, NEC: "You'll never notice those three 'small' spaces between sections!"

    1. Re:Hellooo Trintron! by Audin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I work at a 21" Sony Trinitron roughly 4 days a week. I notice the wires about once a month (usually on annoying white-background web pages). My reaction is usually one of "Oh, there's the stabilization wire, huh. Wish I didn't have to squint at this bright white background."

      It's still a glorious monitor. No LCD can match it's 2048x1536.

  22. Was I the only one reminded of... by Moses+Lawn · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Aw man, when I read the blurb about a collapsible screen, the first thing I thought of Mr. Whoopie's amazing 3-D blackboard (best link I could find - 2nd image down) from 'Tennessee Tuxedo'. That was the one that opened up from pocket size to full size and came to life with full animations of whatever concept he was trying to demonstrate. Always saved Tennessee and Chumley's asses.

    Man, I really want a 3-D blackboard. Life sucks.

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  23. In other news... origami screens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Origami, the age old art of paper folding will be applied to nec folding screen techlology.

    A few folds... it's a bird
    a few folds... it's a horse
    a few folds.... it's broken!

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  24. Some ideas: by lpret · · Score: 4, Insightful
    How about pulling a PDA sized device out of your pocket, and then unfolding it to the size of a laptop? It'd only need to be as big as you need it.

    How about a clam-shell device that would open up to a full-screen? Double the size.

    Or, since it's flexible, why not just have it on your sleeve? You could look down at your sleeve and see what your schedule is for the day (kinda sci-fi, but possible).

    Or, in a larger scale, a complete mockup of some new device for demoing.

    Or, potentially you could have a book-like device that would allow an old school feel, but be LCD and downloadable and all.

    And these are all just off the top of my head, I'm sure there are a ton of applications for this elsewhere than just consumers like the military, hospitals, research etc.

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  25. Relax....no big deal by djupedal · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is similar to the Samsung SyncMaster 172T, where the stand and monitor fold together (flat) for wall mounting, easy tote, NEC is just playing catch up, etc.

    Doesn't mean the screen folds in half...sorry.

    From Toms...

    NEC today announced its first line of light-weight LCD monitors that fold up for easy portability. Attractively designed for home users and gamers on the go, the new monitors provide a protective black bezel acrylic screen with flexible silver cabinet and stand that adjust to a variety of angles including flat against its base. "Providing consumers with the freedom to easily carry their monitor around, the new units collapse into small packages that weigh only 8.6 lbs for the NEC LCD1565 and 13.2 lbs for the NEC LCD1765. Built to withstand wear and tear, the durable acrylic screen displays 88 pixels per inch on the 15-inch unit and 96 pixels per inch on the 17-inch unit for continually clear, accurate images even after years of use." Coupled with a small form-factor PC, this looks to be the ideal monitor-type for those that frequently attend LAN parties.

    Press release

    It really whips the Lama's ass!

    1. Re:Relax....no big deal by tommten · · Score: 2, Funny

      Man.. and I was just gonna pull a "is that a lcd in your pocket or are you just happy to see me"-joke

      darn! :)

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  26. Forget the lcd by NightWulf · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Where are those paper displays I keep hearing about. The only redeeming factor in that craporama that was Red Planet was that cool pull out film that was a computer display. Imagine having something like a pen, that you pull a display out of, now that's the real future!

  27. IBM's Butterfly? by squashed · · Score: 3
    Bring back the IBM Butterfly keyboard! It would mesh wonderfully with a collapsible LCD panel.

    And ... time to bring back those comparisons to George Jetson's collapsible car.

  28. Sony Flexable PDA by redune45 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Looks like this is just what is needed to make Sony's flexable pda described in this
    New Scientist Article to become practical much sooner.

    I've broken too many PDAs from rough pocket treatment. It's about time that this is remedied.

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  29. Uses by m1a1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A lot of people seem to think this kind of thing would be useless. However, as a college student who moves a lot I think it would be really nice. The most difficult part of my system to pack and move is my crt. It is heavy, large, and does not fit comfortably and safely little rice burner of a car.

    An LCD would be a step up, but they are still larger than they need to be. Every little bit of space makes my move easier and more comfortable. When you think about the fact that I move a considerable portion of my belongings at least at least somewhere in the area of 8 times a year (not counting lan games) a monitor that is very portable makes sense.

    Small cases are gaining popularity, portable monitors seem like a logical next step.

  30. What 'foldable LCD' really means! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Just do a google search on 'foldable lcd'.

    This is the first link that turned up: Rackmount Folding LCD Monitors - Folding LCD Monitor

    Its like a laptop without a keyboard and CPU - merely a monitor which folds on the base - which is nowhere near as cool as a flexible LCD screen!

  31. It's a singularity! by Nathdot · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is how it works (I have my sources. Don't question me!):

    * You pay your 500 clams
    * You take your monitor home and out of the packagaing
    * It collapses in on it self, all black-hole-like

    The reason there are no photos of it, obviously, is because it isn't human viewable. And now, a word of advice: Stand the fuck back when it collapses 'cos that things has some serious gravitational pull!

    This has been a public service announcement. Thankyou.

  32. You TOTALLY missed the point by Tensor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... think about it this way ...

    You have a laptop with a thin, ultra portable 10x12 form factor (ie 15 inch display)... and suddenly you open (unfold) the screen upwards or sideways (maybe both ? like landscape/portrait modes) and end up with a 23.5 inch Screen in a ultra-portable !!

    i'd say its sweet ...

    Obviously if you think about it from the desktop point of view its pretty useless, unless you travel with your desktop a lot, like to lan-parties, but that would make it an extremely small market to recoup the r&d.

  33. do you want an opinion or a link? by chipace · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If you want an opinion... it doesn't look like what I expected. If you want a link (like the guy asked for) here it is: http://www.nmv.co.jp/nmvisual/hardware/index.html

  34. 6.8 pounds is luggable? by SweetAndSourJesus · · Score: 2, Funny

    You need to work out more often.

    Sure, it's big, but it still fits in a backpack.

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  35. I had one... by silvaran · · Score: 3, Funny

    I had a foldable LCD screen... that is, until I folded it.

  36. Re:I love technology by Booyakka+Joe · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yup yer right buddy, we shouldn't forget the works of He that created us.
    I also on occasion give thanks to the contributions of Ne, Ar, Kr, Xe and RN.

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  37. Here's your picture... by Call+Me+Black+Cloud · · Score: 4, Funny

    Glad to be of service... Collapsible LCD

  38. Read the article and it says... by BattleWolf · · Score: 2, Insightful
    ... Attractively designed for home users and gamers on the go, ...

    Of course whether these target groups will purchase it is another question...

  39. Some links by asciimonster · · Score: 2, Informative

    The (Royal Dutch) Philips company is putting quite some effort into flexible display technology for some years now.

    Here the Sales Pitch on their own website. There's not an awfull lot of information, but they do have some nice pics and movies (N.B. Link was broken when I checked; I'm not sure if this is a Mozilla problem or the sites). They really should put more on their websie because they are really doing some cutting edge work there...

  40. I Used to Support the Hardware by Greyfox · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Our team could rip apart most of the Thinkpads, but if something went wrong with one of those butterfly ones, your only recourse was to send it in for service. I seem to recall that you needed a special set of tools to tear one down, just in case you were ever tempted to. That's not the real reason they stopped making them though.

    The problem was, the keyboards would inevitably wear out when the machines were given to managers. Apparently the action of them folding out was even more mesmerizing than those kinetic managerial trip toys. Productivity plummeted due to all the managers just opening and closing their laptops all day long. IBM could have solved the technical problems with the keyboard with time, but there's nothing you can do about the manager-mesmerising potential.

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