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Mozilla 1.4 RC3 Is Out

zzxc writes "Mozillazine reports that the third release candidate for Mozilla 1.4 has been released. It is available for download from mozilla.org. Testing is encouraged to fix any bugs before the final release. No new features have been added to this release, though many bugs have been fixed. For more information, see the release notes."

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  1. Re:The big question is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Mozilla 1.4 RC3 is expected to be the final release candidate. It incorporates the fix for one final GDI leak bug, and some minor stuff, but unless something completely unexpected will crop up, this very same release candidate will be rebranded as 1.4 final by the end of the week.

  2. Re:Firebird by Max+Romantschuk · · Score: 5, Informative

    Firebird a subproject of Mozilla is a light weight version of Mozilla seems a lot better bet to me.

    Actually, the current Mozilla Roadmap clearly states this goal: Deliver a Mozilla 1.4 milestone that can replace the 1.0 branch as the stable development path, then move on to make riskier changes during 1.5 and 1.6. The major changes after 1.4 involve switching to Mozilla Firebird and Thunderbird, and working aggressively on the next two items.

    So actually, that's where we're heading :)

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  3. Re:Gecko in konqueror... by YeeHaW_Jelte · · Score: 3, Informative

    Go to menu view->view mode->KMOZILLA

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  4. Re:Firebird by martingunnarsson · · Score: 3, Informative

    I never liked all those extra programs, I just want the browser. I think Firebird is a nice version of Mozilla.

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  5. Firebird by khalido · · Score: 5, Informative

    When Moz 1.4 final is released, will Firebird then be based on 1.4, or will it remain based on the Moz 1.3 codebase? Also Moz needs better default fonts still. I had to install the vera fonts to make it look decent. In IE the fonts looks so much better. I know, thats becasue its using the fonts in windows and what not, and moz just can't include anti aliased fonts that won't work on systems x,y and z, but there needs to a system with prebuilt decent fonts. Moz is now so much better than IE, but default Moz on linux looks like a POS. Yes yes I installed truetype fonts now its fine but a lot of people don't know how to do all that. All this is becasue I had installed linux for a non computer person, who updated mozilla and then was stuck with the default fonts.

  6. Re:Gecko in konqueror... by Surak · · Score: 3, Informative

    KDE doesn't come with Kmozilla, and I've been unable to find it in a long time. I'm thinking that the project was dropped after KHTML started to become more and more stable.

  7. Re:Firebird by Surak · · Score: 3, Informative

    The nightlies are already based on the Moz 1.4 code base. Firebird closely follows the main tree and has since day one.

  8. Re:RPMs by khalido · · Score: 3, Informative

    RPM's do make things a lot easier. You just double click and the thing is installed. Even easier than windows. I install the new Mozilla every few months on my linux pc (used primarily as a server) through the command line, and every time I have to figure out how to do it once again, as I hardly ever use the shell. Yes its simple, but the commands are not obvious, and I would rather not have to use them. The redhat updater updates everything else but Mozilla for some strange reason, so I have to d/l install that seperately. I have a friend how is a linux admin for a big organization, and who set up my routing/apache/squid etc. Now linux is great in the sense that once he set it up it has never crashed. Winxp under the same load would have mysteriously died long ago.

  9. Re:RedHat 7.x RPMS? by whovian · · Score: 4, Informative

    I had long noticed this also. You used to be able to go into their ftp directory and hunt down the RH7.x version.

    Actually, it's nearly trivial to install their tar.gz packages. It involves unpacking in /usr/lib. Then copy your plugin modules and links to modules (read the latter: j2re) into the new mozilla directory. You might have to modify a couple of the permissions on the mozilla or its subdirectories, and maybe put a link in /usr/local/bin. If you are a little careful, it is not bad at all.

    > cd /usr/lib
    > ls -ld moz*
    lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 May 31 06:20 mozilla -> mozilla-1.4rc1
    drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 May 31 06:18 mozilla-1.3
    drwxr-xr-x 10 root root 4096 May 31 06:24 mozilla-1.4rc1

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  10. Re:Release Notes way too bloated by cerberusss · · Score: 5, Informative
    Must I really begin to diff them?
    No, just scroll down. After the release notes, there's a section "New additions to the Release Notes".
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  11. Re:Firebird by havardw · · Score: 4, Informative

    Then what about Thunderbird?

  12. Re:The big question is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    That's not how Mozilla works. The previous release candidates mostly served to get a lot of extra testing, as well as to assess the importance of the various 1.4 blocker bugs that still remained at the time those release candidates were made. (Actually in my experience almost no open source projects actually expect a first release candidate to be the final version; everyone involved is always aware of a few last extra bugs that will still need to be fixed...)

    Yes, calling them release candidates is a bit of a misnomer, but it did serve to show that these builds have quality on the level of a final release.

  13. why i won't switch to lightweight firebird by heymjo · · Score: 5, Informative

    in mozilla, type something in the adress bar , press down key and you get "search google for" , press enter and boom results are there.
    I don't want to switch to a different search field or even set up parameterized keywords to do this.. Google search with 2 keys (down + enter) is for me the killer feature as i do this well over a hundred times per day

    1. Re:why i won't switch to lightweight firebird by palad1 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Ever tried typing keywords in the location bar?
      That gives you a "I'm feeling lucky" search. Just tweak your config in order to point to the standard google page [or google groups if you google for code] et voila!
      http://texturizer.net/firebird/tips.html#beh_searc h

    2. Re:why i won't switch to lightweight firebird by Gleng · · Score: 5, Informative

      There's an extension for Firebird which adds a google search box to your toolbar.

      Just go to Tools->Options->Extensions->Get New Extensions.

      Have a scroll through the page, there's quite a few handy extensions that you can download, and not many of them are over a few KB.

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    3. Re:why i won't switch to lightweight firebird by riflemann · · Score: 5, Informative

      Keywords are a problem for this?? I find it a heck of a lot faster than scrolling down lists...

      Create a bookmark with the follwing URL:

      http://www.google.com/search?&q=%s

      In the bookmarks manager, go to the properties of this bookmark, and set the keyword to 'g'.

      All you have to do now for a google search is to type "g [search term]" in the address bar and hit enter. (without quotes)

      Plus the keyboard travel for typing "g " is much smaller than for the arrow keys.

    4. Re:why i won't switch to lightweight firebird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Thanks, that's actually quite helpful. I used to just have my homepage set to a locally cached version of google, but this is much more convenient. I added one to dictionary.com for looking up words i don't know as well. I guess i should spend more time playing around with features and/or reading the documentation.

  14. Re:Why would you compile it? by slaughts · · Score: 2, Informative

    To get the options you want. Since there are no precompiled RPMS for Suse 8.2 with xft and gtk2 enabled, I pull down the source and recompile it with these enabled. I then add the Firebird stuff on top and compile that with xft and gtk2 enabled.

  15. Re:Release Notes way too bloated by spoonyfork · · Score: 4, Informative

    No, just scroll down. After the release notes, there's a section "New additions to the Release Notes".

    Here's the documented "changes". Very subtle.

    Mozilla 1.4 RC 2
    • Mozilla 1.4 for Linux requires Sun J2SE v 1.4.2 Beta to run Java applets
    • JavaScript access to Flash does not work on Linux Mozilla 1.4
    Mozilla 1.4 RC 3
    • If you're using Linux binaries compiled by mozilla.org then you will need Sun J2SE v 1.4.2 Beta or the Blackdown JDK 1.4.1 compiled with GCC 3.2 to run Java applets.
    • If you're using the Linux binaries compiled by mozilla.org then JavaScript access to Flash will not work.
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  16. Re:Release Notes way too bloated by mlefevre · · Score: 5, Informative

    That's just a clarification of the stuff about Java, it's not indicative of a change between releases.

    As you might expect, the only changes between RC2 and RC3 were a bunch of bug fixes, and those don't get mentioned in the release notes - they're release notes, not a changelog.

    For the sake of the database, I won't post bugzilla links, but the list of fixes since RC2 is as follows:

    88393 (Mac) Check in a high-resolution application and document icon ...
    140357 (All) Backspace deletes text formatting,TypeInState should be s...
    189429 (All) strict javascript warning in mail3PaneWindowCommands.js
    197379 (Mac) file:// URLs from CFM mozilla don't work with Mach-O mozilla
    199443 (PC) leaking GDIs when table cell contains an image, and text...
    205360 (Sun) libxpcom.so depends on non-existent libiconv.so
    206271 (PC) News Messages being marked as read automatically
    206668 (Mac) [Mac OS X classic theme] context menu only work on frontm...
    208560 (PC) P3P summary only works once
    209033 (Mac) FIXE (Shockwave, Flash, ?) all typed letters (from kbd) appear...
    209354 (All) typeaheadfind causes major memory leaks

  17. DUH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    in mozilla it's searchterm-down(up?)-enter,

    in firebird it's tab+searchterm-enter (if you previously selected the location bar) or

    ctrl+k - searchterm - enter (even faster than mozilla :P)

    1. Re:DUH! by asa · · Score: 2, Informative

      thanks for proving my point !
      Mozilla wins this by only using 2 keys, firebird needs at least three.


      Mozilla requires more keystrokes than Firebird.

      Mozilla: (1)Ctrl+L (2)search-term (3)Up arrow (4)Enter

      Firebird: (1)Ctrl+K (2)search-term (3)Enter

      --Asa

  18. Fonts crap? Then recompile Freetype with hinting! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    My fonts looked like crap too, until I understood that I'd have to RECOMPILE FREETYPE MYSELF with patented hinting algorithms enabled. Those are disabled by default, but very very easy to re-enable by just getting the SRPM, editing one variable on the few first lines of the .spec file, and doing rpmbuild -ba freetype.spec.

  19. Rpms? Try rawhide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    RedHat Rawhide has RPMs of 1.4 (but not RC3 based yet) that are much less buggy than the mozilla.org builds and also features antialiased text now.

  20. Re:Firebird by AnonymousCowheart · · Score: 2, Informative

    Been using it for about a month now, and have yet to have any problems, even then themes work fine on it! I don't check/open my mail all the time, so together with firebird, I get fast and reliable browsing,email, and yes, thunderbird even has a newsgroup reader, also flawless!:)

  21. Re:Next Netscape Version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Netscape 7.1 will be Mozilla 1.4-based. See www.mozillanews.org for more information.

    BTW the name "Communicator" has been dropped some time ago (with ver. 4.x). From version 6.0 the browser is called just "Netscape". :)

  22. Triple-clicking the location bar in Windows by ortholattice · · Score: 4, Informative
    First, there are two pref's I have set up in user.js so that the first click that brings focus to the location bar selects all. Without this I'd go nuts, since I like to press "s" and have slashdot immediately appear, "sc" for sciencenewsdaily, etc.. This solves half of my problem.
    user_pref("browser.urlbar.clickSelectsAll", true);
    user_pref("browser.urlbar.clickAtEndSelects", true);

    Now for the heart of my complaint. In Mozilla 1.2 and before, once you had focus on the location bar, double-clicking the location bar selected all, just as it does in Internet Explorer and numerous other Windows apps that have boxes for file names and URLs.

    In Mozilla 1.3, the behavior was changed to: double-click selects a "word", and triple click selects all. The philosophy being, the location bar is like a mini text editor, so it should work like an editor. See this Usenet thread. (Frankly, the "word" that is selected after double-clicking has never been of much use to me.)

    The problem is, I think (this is my theory) there is something fundamental in Windows where "triple-click" is not a real operating system event, like double-clicking, so some other kludge is used to time the clicks. Or maybe Windows XP or the mouse driver is just broken, I don't know. But anyway if I have the mouse speed set for fast clicking, I can't get triple-click to work at all. If I set the mouse speed slow, I can triple-click as long as I click not too slow and not too fast, but you have to get the timing just right. Half the time it seems I get it wrong and have to try again. And I hate having to set the mouse speed slow because that screws up what I'm used to with other apps.

    I know this isn't the right forum for bug reports - I've been meaning to study this problem in more detail, logging Windows events and times so I can make a convincing case and write up a useful bug report, but time has just been slipping by and I'm afraid the final release (an important one from what I hear) will happen before this can be properly addressed. I will try though, I promise. :)

    Am I just being fanatically nitpicky, or does this bother anyone else? (Well, at least I got it off my chest...:)

    1. Re:Triple-clicking the location bar in Windows by Briareos · · Score: 4, Informative

      Why click in the URL bar anyway? Just hit CTRL-L and type away, since you're going to use the keyboard anyway...

      (CTRL-L also selects the whole URL bar, so you can start typing right away.)

      np: Senor Coconut - Musica Moderna (El Gran Baile)

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    2. Re:Triple-clicking the location bar in Windows by Damek · · Score: 2, Informative

      Granted, I'm a bit behind (using Mozilla 1.4a here at work), but why not just click once? Clicking once selects everything in the location bar. Same as in IE. As I see it, double-clicking to get a word is an improvement - double-clicking in IE does nothing but the same as single-clicking, unless you pause long enough to have the second click just place the cursor. There are times when I just want to alter a small part of the address, and double-clicking allows me that option.

      Anyway, as another poster noted, you can also use CTRL-L since you're about to type anyway. That's usually what I do.

      As for Windows "fundamentals" - in MS Word, double-clicking selects a word, and triple-clicking selects a whole paragraph. How's that for consistency?

  23. Re:Gecko in konqueror... by root_42 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yes, it comes with KMozilla. For RPM based systems it can be found in the kdebindings3-mozilla, which contains the XParts-libraries for embedding arbitrary non-KDE applications.

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  24. Re:Firebird by Ole+Marggraf · · Score: 2, Informative

    Acually, at least Firebird is available for debian in testing and unstable ("apt-get install mozilla-firebird" ;-) ). Have not seen any trace of Thunderbird in any official debian distribution, though.

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  25. Re:Moz 1.4 problems on install. Moz crashing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
  26. Why is this moderated up? by WD · · Score: 3, Informative

    While Extensions are nice and all, the post does nothing to answer the original question. None of the extensions there add search engine functionality into the *URLBar*. The whole point was to not require typing into another textbox for search engine functionality. (Like Mozilla has)

    1. Re:Why is this moderated up? by jedrek · · Score: 2, Informative

      Uh... why do you need this when you have bookmark shortcuts/keywords?

  27. Re:mozilla link by asa · · Score: 3, Informative

    here is an intersting website by a moz developer (which sadly is not a parody but the REAL thing.. this guy is dead serious). http://mithgol.pp.ru/Mozilla/

    Except that that's not from a Mozilla developer. Sad and funny? Making up facts is kinda sad; not terribly funny.

    --Asa

  28. Re:then why upgrade. by asa · · Score: 2, Informative

    I agree with you IF the application was unimportant for you. But in a real application you have spend a considerate amount of time colleting and entering your dat, you want to upgrade, not replace.

    That is why they call in upgrading sometimes....


    Uninstalling Mozilla does not uninstall your profile data. It only uninstalls the application. If you uninstall Mozilla and then install a new version you'll still have your bookmarks, mail, preferences, cookies, etc.

    --Asa

  29. Re:Mozilla -- Who compiles every release? by silvaran · · Score: 2, Informative

    You know what I love? ccache! .. do a freshmeat for it. I make a lot of my own RPMs... just compiled openoffice (with the ximian changes). It took around 18 hours to compile the first time. The second time it took around 3. It makes a hash of every file you compile with timestamp, parameters, input/output, etc. and simply replaces gcc's compile phase with stuff you've already compiled (assuming the source hasn't changed). So whatever you compiled previously (stored in ~/.ccache by default) and hasn't changed between releases is simply restored when you go to compile it again. If you're always compiling stuff I seriously recommend you check it out.

  30. Re:NTLM/Mozilla by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 2, Informative

    I don't think there is any preference setting - you just go ahead and use it. Now I'm able to get into my company's intranet with mozilla. There's a couple display bugs on the intranet screen and I'm not sure if it's due to sloppy coding or something with Mozilla.

  31. Flash Click to Play by Micah · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you download Firebird, be sure to install the Flash Click to Play extension. It replaces Flash objects with a nice button that you can click on to view the actual Flash object.

    Having that thing makes me so happy I want to cry! It's as good as pop-up blocking for some sites with lots of annoying Flash ads!

  32. Re:Firebird by asa · · Score: 2, Informative

    One of THE most irretating bug i have found, atleast in the windows version of thunderbird is .
    Clicking on a mailto:abcd@xyz.com link doesn't populate the FROM filed with abcd@xyz.com. Go figure.
    I have lots of shortcuts on my desktop with destination mailto:someone@somewhare.com, but thunderbird doesn't populate the from field , so irreatating.


    This has been fixed since June 16th. See http://www.mozilla.org/projects/thunderbird/change s.html

    --Asa