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TiVo Data Collection Ramifications

www.sharkdefense.com writes "Businessweek has an interesting article on a new TiVo technology which allows ad executives to see which ads are skipped on the DVRs. Thank goodness they still don't know if you went to the bathroom for a break or to the fridge. The article is an eye-opening read."

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  1. You can't handle the truth! by bjschrock · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But it's not the holy grail for advertising agencies and media companies, which have built an industry around the idea of getting a shallow message to a broad audience rather than a tailored message to a narrower one,"

    So, let's see... Companies/organizations who sit between the producer and consumer, have made up their own rules and flimsy business model and don't like it when times change and require the business model to change. Where have I heard this before? *cough*RIAA*cough*
    I know this isn't the same thing, I just saw the similarity. Oh, and I didn't see in the article, were the better ads replayed? They were during the Super Bowl.

    Reality TV, news, and "event" programming such as the Oscars do significantly better at getting viewers to see the commercials.
    PLEASE tell me this doesn't mean more Reality TV shows!!! I can't handle it!!! They're replacing the somewhat-good shows that have survived so far.

    1. Re:You can't handle the truth! by thrillbert · · Score: 5, Funny

      PLEASE tell me this doesn't mean more Reality TV shows!!!

      Slashdot TV, Real geeks unequiped to deal with the real world. From the makers of Survivor!

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  2. Which ads by xyrw · · Score: 5, Funny

    which ads are skipped on the DVRs

    All of them?

    1. Re:Which ads by davidm25 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Sure you skip all of them but the question is which ones do you rewind to watch. I have noticed that hot chicks tend to do the trick for me.:) And movies commericials. Of course movies are one of the few products out there where the commericials actually tell you something usefull about the product rather than trying to convince you that buying a product will make you a cooler person.

    2. Re:Which ads by notque · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sure you skip all of them but the question is which ones do you rewind to watch. I have noticed that hot chicks tend to do the trick for me.:)

      Great, every ad will now how hot chicks.

      Oh wait...

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  3. All we need next is ... by Professor+D · · Score: 5, Insightful
    A multiple-choice box for _why_ the commercial was skipped or watched.

    +4 "funny!"

    -2 "A feminine hygene product during the Superbowl is seriously OT!"

  4. Ads are irritating... by CoolVibe · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Why the hell you do think people skip them? Not because of the ad content though, it's because they DRIVE UP THE FSCKING VOLUME so fscking loud. I regularily have to turn the volume down on my set down when the advertisements come. And when the scheduled show resumes, it's so inaudible, I have to turn up the volume again to be able to hear it. Then the ads come again and they literally BLAST out of my speakers.

    That's my (and probably others') big pet peeve about them. Oh, they could be less frequent too. There is such a thing called advertisement overload, as where the unsuspecting consumer is so irritated by the advertisement, as where they lose interest in the ad itself, and goes of to take a leak (or to do something else useful, like grabbing a beer or something). Of course, the product doesn't get seen when that happens.

    But will "they" learn? Probably not.

  5. British TV ads VS "The cup of Tea" by Dr_LHA · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In the UK theres a strange phenomenon in TV ad viewing, that is the "cup of Tea". On UK TV ad breaks tend to be longer and less frequent. UK dwellers also tend to drink alot of tea during the evening, and making a cup of tea takes about the same time as an ad break. For example during the half time break in the soap opera "Coronation Street" the load on the National Grid goes up something like double as 15 million viewers get off the couch and turn on their electric kettles.

    So in essense this activity means that alot less viewers are actually present during the ad breaks than in the US when watching live TV. So what's the solution: Make ads that people actually want to see. British ads on the whole are funnier and more episodic than their US counterparts. I've never heard anyone in my time in the US talk about "The new ad for Coke" around the water cooler at work, but in the UK this regularly happens for the soft drink "Tango" for example.

    So perhaps the answer is to make ads more entertaining, less repeated (why oh why show the same ad twice in an ad break), and less formulaic. If US ad agencies showed half the imagination that the UK ad agencies showed then people might actually be less tempted to skip over the ads or leave the room.

  6. IMHO here's what's happening by Sloppy · · Score: 5, Insightful
    On April 11, 2002, ABC's popular TV drama The Practice drew a TiVo rating of 8.9, meaning 8.9% of TiVo owners watched the show live or recorded it and watched it later. But those viewers watched just 30% of the ads shown. Meanwhile, quiz show The Weakest Link, drew a rating of 0.9, but viewers watched 78% of the commercials. TV news magazine 60 Minutes got only a 2.2 rating, but its viewers sat through 73% of the ads.

    Certain genres are "stickier" than others, TiVo's research shows. Big-budget situation comedies and dramas tend to have the lowest retention and commercial-viewing rate because couch potatoes tend to record them and skip through the commercials rather than watch them live. Reality TV, news, and "event" programming such as the Oscars do significantly better at getting viewers to see the commercials. Just 39% of viewers watched ads during the highest-rated network TV show, Friends, vs. 75% for the 45th Annual Grammy Awards and 58% for Fox reality show Fear Factor.

    First of all: Tivo doesn't really know whether or not I watch ads. It just knows whether or not it got to play them. This is important.

    The inverse relationship between rating and getting to show ads, and the variable stickiness, is no surprise at all if you watch what a Tivo user does. Here is what is happening, and it's so simple: Tivo gets to play the ad, if the user isn't paying attention. Tivo doesn't get to play ads, if the user is intently watching the show.

    That's all there is to it. I play The Simpsons and it's some lame episode that I've already seen way too many times, so I get bored and surf Slashdot. Being a stupid monkey, I don't just stop The Simpsons and watch something else, because I like The Simpsons so I think I want to watch it. But nevertheless, since I've seen the episode too many times, I am bored. I just don't realize I'm bored. So I let the episode play. I'm not watching. A commercial break happens. I don't notice for a minute, because I'm in the midst of writing a troll that requires all my concentration. Then somewhere in the back of my head, I hear that someone is selling cars, and I wake up from my TrollTrance and look over at the TV outraged, screaming "Commercial!!! Kill! Kill! Kill!" and fast forward until I see The Simpsons again. Then I go back to writing my troll.

    Now suppose I'm watching Futurama, and it's an episode that I somehow missed the first time around. I'm fascinated. Instead of making an ass of myself on the internet, I watch TV. I am paying attention and following along. When a commercial break happens, I automatically skip over it.

    Back to the stats:

    The Practice drew a TiVo rating of 8.9, meaning 8.9% of TiVo owners watched the show live or recorded it and watched it later. But those viewers watched just 30% of the ads shown.
    That's because 70% were actually watching the show while playing it. I've never seen it, but it sounds like it might be a good show; I should give it a try. The other 30% were bored and trolling Slashdot.
    Meanwhile, quiz show The Weakest Link, drew a rating of 0.9, but viewers watched 78% of the commercials.
    That's because the bored Tivo user wasn't really watching the show. He's just using the TV to make reassuring background noise in his meaningless life. Tivo thinks he is "watching the ads" but really he is explaining to somebody, the finer points of pouring hot grits.
    Big-budget situation comedies and dramas tend to have the lowest retention and commercial-viewing rate because couch potatoes tend to record them and skip through the commercials rather than watch them live.
    The user is watching.
    Reality TV, news, and "event" programming such as the Oscars do significantly better at getting viewers to see the commercials.
    The user is not watching.
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  7. At least they don't show how to use it by Greyfox · · Score: 5, Funny
    I can just see the commercial for that one

    Man 1: Hey, Joe, do you ever have problems with an itcy asshole?
    Man 2: Well I used to, then my friends turned me on to Preparation H!
    Man 1: Really? How's that work?
    Man 2: Well lemme just slap a little on for you there, skippy...
    Man 1: Oooh.. Oh...
    Man 2 ... Just gotta make sure you get a thorough coat on...
    Man 1: Hey... that IS better!
    Voiceover: Preparation H, for all your itchy asshole needs.

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