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Which Organizations Have Standardized on Mozilla?
andy brunetto asks: " We are investigating email clients to deploy as our "standard" at the college where I work. I'm trying to find out who is using Mozilla for their email. When I say "who" I mean organizationally, as I realize 99% of us geeks already use it. What organizations out there are rolling out Mozilla as their standard web and/or email client, and why? Yes, we are considering using Thunderbird, once it is final. Thanks!" Hopefully this will make companies realize that the Internet isn't comprised of just IE users.
Sun Microsystems is transitioning to use Netscape 7, which is close enough to Mozilla...
of our large R&D development community is using Netscape, mostly because these people are using mostly Solaris or some are using Red Hat (7.3/8/9).
The other half is ALL IE, Outlook, Exchange.
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I use KMail, it's quite a good mailer IMHO.
We rolled out IE5.01 using the IEAK (Internet Explorer Administration Kit). It would be a great thing if one could customize Mozilla in straight-foward manner for corporate deployments.
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Unless all your clients are running Win2k with the antitrust service pack, and have no permissions....you can't elminate Internet Exploder.
I've installed the Netscape versions of Mozilla on the systems I maintain, and urge people to use them. It seems to work.
A middle school I visited one time to fix a few things were using Mozilla as the de-faco browser.
All public workstations at Columbia University have Mozilla as their default browser.
that something you might want to consider! think about the security implications! even oe can disable html viewing!
I just started using Mozilla Mail. Despite having RTFM, I still can't figure out how to make Mozilla mail default to plain text for everyone. It's the only thing that tarnishes this otherwise delightful mail program.
Personally, while I prefer Mozilla and Mozilla Firebird as browsers, I wouldn't touch Mozilla as an e-mail client. When people have problems with Mozilla or Thunderbird, the two most frequent answers are: "completely uninstall and reinstall Mozilla/Thunderbird," and/or "completely remove your profile and make a new one." Umm, thanks, but no thanks. What's the point of using an e-mail client where you delete your e-mail archive/profile if there's a problem, especially if your e-mail archive dates back a while? And since Thunderbird isn't even in beta yet, and "risky" changes are supposed to be made in Mozilla 1.5 and 1.6, I would stay far away from using Mozilla as an e-mail client.
If you're looking for decent e-mail clients, I'd recommend Pegasus Mail or The Bat! for Windows machines, or KMail or Evolution for *nix machines. All four are specialized for e-mail and are damned good at what they do. Test them out to see which works better for you and your organization.
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Exactly... I use Mozilla at work for browsing, but use Pine for e-mail. Mozilla's e-mail app is painfully bad. At home its Safari and Apple's Mail.
I work with small businesses, anywhere from 5 to 100 users. I have 3 clients of 20, 25, and 45 users respectively all using mozilla mail. Hell, I even have the 45 person shop switched over (almost everyone) to the ALPHA thunderbird. I just don't need the hassle of outlook virus issues, the users who don't use IMAP can keep their POP mail on their /home directory n the server, the address book talks to LDAP. I use the latest SuSE mail server which integrates LDAP address books out of the box,as well as webmail.
I am switching to thunderbird because we have some corporate partners who have B2B websites that require IE5 or better, so I need to standardize on IE unfortunately. Thunderbird can invoke your default browser in windows, unlike Moz Mail.
Well, I love it, but not exactly in an enterprise setting.
We used to use Netscape, but migrated to Mozilla at 1.2 and are currently at 1.31. The email client is GREAT, I prefer it to Outlook. Most users don't know anything else since we have always used a Mozilla-like client. One user complained after switching from Outlook (I think it was a case of being used to it, and not having enough compu-savvy to be comfortable with the switch) and that person uses Outlook to this day. Interestingly enough, he is the only one who ever gets hit with email viruses ;-) The Junk filter is nice, and we use a web based calendaring solution from http://brownbearsw.com and a Perl based message board (Yabb) for sharing notes on stuff.
The Citadel, a military college, has always used Netscape. When I left about 9 months ago they were testing Mozilla more as a browser. Most of the Professors use Netscape mail. I would be surprised if they switched over but you never know.
The two are basically the same they just look a little different.
I'm a big fan. But I still use IE.
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Komodo uses Mozilla-the-platform, not Mozilla-the-application-suite. The question is about the use of the email and web browser applications in Mozilla, not the cross-platform framework that Mozilla uses.
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Everyone I know uses mutt, because Pine is a slow-ass memory hog.
We have about 350 employees and we are standardizing on Mozilla. Outlook and Internet Explorer are considered VERBOTEN here due to their inherent (and, in our opinion, insurmountable) security risks. You can read our statement regarding the issue on our website:
Why Not IE?
Thanks to our no IE/no Outlook policy we have avoided EVERY major MS email worm outbreak. That means no downtime from the outbreaks, which translates in hours or days of work time not lost. (Compare to MS itself, which seems to lose its email system due to a new worm for at least a couple of days yearly.)
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Well all be, there is a spell checker for Moz, http://spellchecker.mozdev.org/ I was unaware of that, thanks to mu_wtfo for poing that out to me.
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Can you list some bugs please? I have used Mozilla as my sole email client for several years now and had no problems. This includes multiple incoming account using both POP and IMAP (had some problems with IMAP but they were servers not following the RFC's correctly and were fixed with a server patch once the vendor was notified), multiple SMTP accounts including one using SSL, multiple LDAP accounts, etc.
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The Networking Services and Information Technologies (NSIT) folk at the University of Chicago distribute a connectivity package during orientation week that includes Mozilla. The package also includes stuff like Eudora, though. Also the public computers in the Reynolds Club are made by Sun, so there's no IE there.
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Genentech (large biotech firm) was using Mozilla as the corporate standard, but thanks to too many interoperability problems with 3rd party vendors, and chicks whining about missing the whiz-bang features in Outlook, it is no longer being considered. Internet Explorer has won out. :(
Same thing inside IBM - many of the old-school AIX users absolutely refuse to use anything but Netscape 4.7 - all of the younger crowd that come in immediately go "blech!!" and download Mozilla 1.3 or 1.4. IBM is in the process of standardizing around Mozilla, or at least getting all it's WAN apps to work in it, and support for 4.7 will be sumarily dropped this summer.
Most of the reason for 4.7 still being in use is old-timer inertia. Most of the new crowd is using Linux and Konqueror or Mozilla anyway. Linux is here, Unix on the desktop is dying. Well, maybe not inside Sun...
My experience is that pages designed with css standards in mind almost never look ok in explorer. :-/ After my pages look ok under mozilla I always have to ask a friend to see it under explorer, and tell me what didn't work so I can work arround looking for ie problems.
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Then you can't be doing anything in the least bit complex with HTML or CSS. Try <object>. Try virtually any CSS 2 selectors. Try about half the CSS 2 specification for that matter. Try alpha channels with PNG (and no, having to resort to javascript or proprietary filters doesn't count).
Newer versions of kmail will just display the raw html with a link at the top of the message pane that says:
Note: This is an HTML message. For security reasons, only the raw HTML code is shown. If you trust the sender of this message then you can activate formatted HTML display for this message by clicking here.
"Here" of course being clickable. Its pure entertainment looking at some of the truly evil Outlook-exploiting shit in some of them. I can easily read mails sent to me from trusted users with clueless clients and still not pull images from spammer servers. Kmail Just Works.
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=211436 #c8
proves you wrong.
I am the tech guy for a small manufacturing/distribution company. For a couple years I made sure that I told the owners about every major Outlok exploit and worm. I also made a point to explain how hard it is to comply with MS licensing (upgrading OEM versions on Beige boxes etc.). One day one of the owners received a strange, personal, confidential Word document from a close friend's mail worm. I immediately received the OK to convert the company to Mozilla. I then expanded that to include IMAP as the standard delivery protocol. For IMAP support I would heve preferred Mulberry but users seemed to adapt quicker to Mozilla (simpler interface and better inline image support). Now after a few months people have adapted and everyone seems quite happy with the switch. Backups are easier. Remote access is possible. I still think some miss Outlook because it's prettier to them and because the calendar in Outlook is so much better but I think the rest either don't care or prefer Mozilla. I do get strange looks when I tell new hires that we use Mozilla for mail though.
In my company, as part for the win2k role out the default browser and mail client is mozilla. Currently about half the company have switched, which has helped a lot with imap support (outlook express[1] just sucked with imap).
:-(
We have squirrelmail for remote mail around the company, rather than roaming profiles. Plus we make heavy use of ldap for the single username/password for mail/cvs/intranet account(s).
It's great been able to add a new account to the ldap server and have it instantly avaiable in the address books. Spam filtering is used in mozilla, we use server side spam filtering as well[2]. Works well, however most people don't really notice, until the popups come back when using IE, etc,etc.
Plus the benefit of not using MS virus transport system, has helped reduce our virus alerts.
One day I might if get everyone to bottom reply
[1] Previous default
[2] Debian + postfix
[3] I'm head of the unix team.
Here are the stats for the people that click on my sig link from slashdot.
46% Netscape Navigator 5
34% Internet Explorer 6
7% Internet Explorer 5
6% Opera 7
2% Konqueror 3
1% Opera 6
1% Safari
< 1% Netscape Navigator 4
< 1% Konqueror 2
< 1% Internet Explorer 4
< 1% Netscape Navigator 3
< 1% Opera 5
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We encourage all our faculty / staff to use Mozilla; although some of them still demand Eudora. We've completely eliminated Outlook (and Express) from our deployed machines.
Pine lets you see images. Turn on Xterm mouse reporting and assign an image-viewer helper app. Then just click on any image name and it'll pop up in a little window.
While I have my marginal gripes from time to time, Pine is basically the perfect mail reader from what I can tell. Certainly the fastest for cruising through lots of mail, dealing with attachments, etc.
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The U of C uses Mozilla as a standard, since it works on all (most?) of the platforms found on campus. They also support IE, but Mozilla is preffered.
When someone might yell at me, it has to be OpenBSD.
Of your points, you can do #3 in about 1 minute: it's not ideal, but it does work:
Edit -> Mail and Newsgroup settings -> Outgoing Server ->Advanced -> select
Point #4 has an easy workaround - create dummy news accounts rather than mail accounts. Again, not perfect, but it works.
"How do you know?"
I worked at Sun until May 2002. I have many friends who still work there whom I speak to daily. I often ask them about Netscape 4.7. I've long since dropped support for it on my own websites, but I'm hoping that the last few remaining holdouts will finally leave it.
If you still don't think I'm for real, ask any Sun employee what "dtmail" is. They will know exactly what you are talking about. Most of them will then go on a rant about it, just like I used to when I worked there.
"What 'standards' are you refering [sp] to?"
How about CSS1? Or nested tables? Or really, any standards-compliant markup? Don't even get me started on CSS2 or any moderately-complex CSS1 markup. My websites all validate to XHTML 1.0, but they don't work in Netscape 4. If you seriously believe that Netscape 4 works with web standards, I invite you to Google Netscape 4 sucks and read the many, MANY articles posted by infuriated web developers.
Personally, I use Mozilla, and it's great as far as standards-compliance goes. Netscape 6 is decent and Netscape 7 and 7.1 are fine. NS4, on the other hand, is a complete joke and a waste of time to develop for. It needs to disappear once and for all.
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My Mom has been using Mozilla for all email and web browsing for over 2 years now and she loves it, it's perfect for her. Entirely not computer savvy, she is still able to maninpulate mail folders and print and yaddayaddayadda. On an entertaining note, it took a while for me to explain to her why other people were being crippled with virii (lots in my family) and she was not... If my Mom can use it daily, without fail or lost email, it's a solid app.
Once I upgrade her hardware (she's dragging her feet, the 350 k6-2 is still ok) I'll move her from WindowMaker to KDE 3. No offense WindowMaker - you rock! - but she needs KDE.
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Oh, please. These same systems work perfectly well with Mozilla et al on Windows, or with Linux. I've witnessed this personally. MSIE is a load of crap with the capability to bring down the entire operating system, and Microsoft has next to zero incentive to make it otherwise.
The only thing I can possibly grant you is that in Windows, drivers are generally written by the hardware manufacturer, as opposed to maintained by people who care about how well they work after the sale has been made. But then again, that's really a point for Linux, isn't it?
There is no way to type in a new from address while composing. There is only a drop down list that has your accounts in it.
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Mozilla is the standard in most of the labs. The only ones that don't have moz are the really old machines, which use Netscape 4.something.
Here's my sites measly percentage stats. Skewed in favor of Mozilla.
1. Mozilla 1.x 55.8 %
2. Internet Explorer 6.x 25.6 %
3. Internet Explorer 5.x 14.0 %
4. Netscape 7.x 4.7 %
Of course I just started it up, so 1/2 of that Mozilla is probably me and my template editor. Next time I check, It'll probably be dead.
Anyway, I use Mozilla at work, but I log ago gave up the futile effort of trying to convince some of the older people I work with that Mozilla is NOT some piece of "Shareware that my kids told me not to run". Whatever. I *do* occasionally convert someone in non-business circles to switch.
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until we were taken over by the Microsoft cabal. Now we've moved everything to some zarking MS POS-compliant software and I spend all day rebooting or restarting my machine. Funny though, I run all of the things I deem critical on Mozilla, and I never have that problem. However the decision was not made because of problems with Mozilla but because of bundled discounts for the software, you know, use ALL Microsoft software, and we'll throw in exchange and give you a break on licenses. Yeah, no collusion here, move along, nothing to see.
try a little bit harder :P You need to hack the registry in order for it to work super-nicely... see this post for details...