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Laptops Outsell Desktops in Retail Stores

TechnoPope writes "According to this article on MSNBC.Com, laptop computers accounted for 54 percent of of 500 Million in retail computer sales last year. Also mentioned was that LCD's outsold CRT's in retail as well. "

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  1. CRTs still being made by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Why anyone would ever bother with a CRT again is beyond me, it's just insanity. For a slight increase in price you have a massive boost in clarity, stunning resolutions, and brilliant bright displays. Lower energy use, less desk space and less room heating in the middle of summer than a CRT.

    Amazing how people will hold onto the old & known, despite better options being available

    1. Re:CRTs still being made by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Thats why wordprocessors have zoom

      on any size monitor (LCD or CRT) 12 point text viewed at page-fit-to-screen comes out exactly the same size whether in 800x600, 1024x768 or 2048x1600.

      It's just smoother on the higher resolutions.

    2. Re:CRTs still being made by Ho-Lee-Chow · · Score: 3, Interesting

      >> Just run the damn lcd in its native resolution
      >> and increase the default font sizes!!!!!!!

      > How does this help when doing word processing?
      > Do you really want 1/2" tall text out of your
      > printer?


      Ahem. When he said "increase the default font sizes", he meant increase the default SCREEN FONT SIZES in your operating system. In Windows:

      1) Right-click on the desktop
      2) Click on "Properties"
      3) Click on the "Settings" tab
      4) Click "Advanced"
      5) Under the General tab, there is a "Font Size" setting. You can select "Small Fonts" (96 dots per inch), "Large Fonts" (120 dpi), or "Other" (whatever you want).

      You'll notice that when you select "Other", Windows shows an example of how 10 point Arial text will be displayed on your screen with the modified settings. By dragging the ruler, you can increase or decrease the displayed size of 10-pt Arial text.

      That's right, you can change the onscreen size of your text (measured in dots per inch) without affecting the printed size of your text (measured in points). I hope that clears everything up. Next time, don't jump to rash conclusions.

      BTW, I can see the benefits of LCDs, but I don't see how LCD fanboys can proclaim "CRT is inferior". Sure, LCD is superior if you don't mind being locked into one resolution, motion blur, etc. For business and word processing use, I'm sure LCD is just fine. For gaming, graphic design, movie playback, I would go with a CRT.

    3. Re:CRTs still being made by Chrysophrase · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Me.

      I work on this 20" cinema display mainly to do page layout, gives a nice and crisp result at 1680 x 1050 resolution and a I also use19" Lacie Electron blue for colour correction and Photoshop work.

      And if I may add: nothing comes close, in terms of picture quality, to the Lacie.

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  2. Not surprising by geek · · Score: 3, Interesting

    People want mobility with out sacrificing performace. Todays laptops seem to do that nicely, especially Apple's power books. I never liked palm pilots but laptops are quite nice on the average. I just wish heat wasn't such an issue. I used to have an Acer laptop 5-6 year ago and it left burns on my lap after an hour or so of use.

  3. Homebuilts - by jpsst34 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wonder how many PC users build their own - as in what percentage of desktop's are homebuilt, since these don't figure into the "retail PC sales" numbers.

    In our little geek world, I'm sure the percentage of homebuilts is very high. But in the "real world," I wonder where that percentage falls to. I wonder if homebuilts account for enough to push laptop sales back under 50%, thus negating this /. story.

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  4. portability + power=profit by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I never thought notebooks were that usefull until I got one myself. Its almost as powerfull as my desktop,but portable and more comfortable to use. Which makes me wonder if a stupider labtop that simply connects to a more powerful desktop would be even more usefull. I guess they still need to workout the bandwidth and display issues.

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  5. But Still... by rocket97 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I am sure that there are more *new* desktops in use than there are laptops. You have to take into the account the amount of people that build their own desktops as compared to those who build laptops (not too many people that I know of build their own laptops). I would say give it a few more years and then I can see laptops truly outselling desktops.

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  6. Re:It's a misleading title...sales $ vs. units by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Actually, it seems even more skewed than that, if I interpret it correctly:

    "LAPTOPS ACCOUNTED for more than 54 percent of the nearly $500 million in retail computer sales in May, the Port Washington, N.Y., company said Tuesday. That compares with January 2000, when laptops represented less than 25 percent of sales volume, NPD said"

    They are comparing today's sales revenues (i.e. dollar figures, with laptops way more expensive) to yesterday's sales volumes (i.e. numbers shipped, for which desktops would be heavily favoured)

    Look like some fine marketing work!

  7. Re:BAAAAAA by robogun · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What, are you kidding me? If you read the article instead of trying to hit first post, it says people are buying laptops for the portability -- imagine that! I thought we all wanted smaller & easier to use.

    Not discussed in the article, CRTs and desktops use much more energy. Laptops can be used when the power is out - what a concept, not just a UPS where you can gracefully shut down when the power goes out.

    The desktop is king only where unit cost is important. Oh, and gaming.

  8. Who here is in love with their laptop? by ACK!! · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I cannot imagine computing without them. I carry mine around almost everywhere I can. Sitting back in a cafe typing out code before a friend shows up or playing a game. I use mine everywhere.

    It is also nice to be able to sit the thing in my lap and sit in the same room as my wife and hold down a conversation instead of being relegating to one room while I aimlessly surf.

    Any others? Who loves having a laptop?

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    1. Re:Who here is in love with their laptop? by gold23 · · Score: 2, Interesting



      I have to agree. I don't want to be relegated to the "office" room when working on the computer, and having the machine at hand while watching a movie or television means never having to wonder "What else have we seen him/her in?" Or if I'm watching something good, I can search IMDB for other films by that director or writer, and queue them up in Netflix immediately, instead of making a mental note and misplacing it later.

      And that does not even take into account the ability to leave home with it, and administer my servers remotely anywhere there is an accessible hotspot.

      I think my next step will be a tablet PC, once I can be sure that I can run Debian on it. (And once I have the requisite cash, of course, which may mean around 2010.)

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  9. totally obvious by undoman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    With wireless networking beeing around - this was becoming totally obvious. if you would ask me to expend 2k euro on a small and superflat laptop just for surfing, mail and irc.. i would say yessss!

  10. Common Complaint by vasqzr · · Score: 5, Interesting


    (Assuming you're using Windows)

    Turn on Large Fonts.

    I hear this all the time with my laptop users at work.

    You can't get any work done in 800x600 anyway. Hell, for much other than Word, 1024x768 stinks too!

  11. Re:LCDs outselling CRTs? by yintercept · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I would not be surprised if flat screen displays doesn't reverse the trend of laptop sales out pacing desktops. The main reason for buying a laptop is size. In most companies the cost of having people move CRTs around the office is more than price differential between lap tops and desktops. It costs about $20 more to ship a computer with a 17" CRT than a laptop.

    Personally, I wish more PC manufacturers would get a clue and adopt some of the space saving features of laptops and produce smaller desktop models. In most cases, people don't need the environmentally questionable batteries in laptops, they just want something that isn't heavy and awkward.

  12. Re:And this is a suprise? by DoorFrame · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You know a lot of very nerdy people if desktop buyers "routinely" build their own machines. I don't have numbers, but I'm sure the percent of people who build versus buy is miniscule. I know a lot of people with desktops, only of them was homemade. Most people aren't interested in the hassle for little reward.

  13. Possible reasons by tmark · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Before anyone jumps to grand conclusions about what this means vis a vis desktops vs laptops:

    I don't see anyone noting how laptops are inherently hard to upgrade. If your laptop is sluggish, you basically have two options: 1) add more RAM, and if that fails, 2) buy a new laptop. Whereas, with desktop PCs, you have several more options, like upgrading the CPU or buying a new graphics card. This means that the average desktop will have a longer upgradeable life than the average laptop.

    A related factor is that the average desktop for under $1000 is way more powerful than the average $2000 laptop. So a desktop bought today is much less likely to be made obsolete by horsepower requirements within a given time frame than a laptop also bought today, if only because it has more horsepower right out of the box, even if that desktop costs a lot less.

    And because of the inherent cost differential, people who can afford to buy laptops can afford to upgrade them faster.

    Also, many people who buy laptops buy it for the chic factor, so they're going to upgrade (i.e. buy a new laptop) sooner than those people who buy the decidedly unchic desktop.

    Laptops are undeniably at least partly about image, and people consume them every bit as conspicuously (and in the very same places !) as people consumed Filofaxes, cell phones, and PDAs before. And I've noticed many smirks or at least raised eyebrows when someone trundles in a 3-year old, heavy-as-hell-with-passive-matrix-screen laptop into a meeting. And many if not most of the laptop-advocates here are familiar with the satisfaction of hauling in the newest, coolest laptop, hearing the oohs-and-ahhs and having the neatest toy in the board room for the next month or so.

  14. I LOVE STATISTICS... I make them up all the time by enigmals1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    But seriously... I wonder what the statistics are of the amount of PC's bought in retail compared to on-line and how many specifically how many laptops vs. desktops are bought retail vs. on-line. Stastics show whatever the collector wants them to show. Here's some interesting points to think about... - How many of those laptops were purchased by people already owning desktops from previous years - People tend to want to purchase a laptop from a retail location because they can "feel" the product, whereas a desktop is pretty much just specs and can be purchased from the on-line store of any major brand. - Same is true for LCD panels where you want to check out the clerity and picture of a panel whereas CRT's tend to be more specs and commonplace for most purchasers. - Why would someone be buying JUST a display from a retail store? They are upgrading. Why upgrade? You want bigger, better or both. The rest of users are receiving their new monitors with their desktops they just purchased at the above on-line store. SUMMER: screw retail statistics or any selling portal for that matter. You want accurrate statistics? ...more accurately study the volume of PC's manufactured since demand generally drives supply for the following quarter and/or fiscal year. ;)

  15. Re:BAAAAAA by praedor · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Eh? Your laptop is good for what, an hour? Hour-and-a-half max if you are actually doing anything? Big deal. You can do without a puter for at least that long during a power failure and not die. Also...next year NEC is planning to produce a DESKTOP system running on their power cell (same one as they will use in their laptops late this year) that will provide laptop-like time for a desktop. The only thing a laptop will have is portability. It can't hold a candle to a desktop for CPU and video power in the best case, of course.

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  16. Re:It's a misleading title...sales $ vs. units by jez9999 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I can think of several reasons why I haven't bought a laptop, and probably won't for a long while.

    Ergonomics: Laptop keyboards *suck*. Also, bring your own mouse to plugin, because laptop 'touch mice' are a joke too.

    Sound: Laptop speakers just ain't gonna reproduce sound as well as seperate speakers. You could plugin headphones, of course, or speakers, but then you might as well just use a desktop PC as they're not easily portable.

    Upgrades: What upgrades? You can't upgrade a laptop like you can a PC. Buy a laptop, and live with its specs. When you need a new part, it's time to buy a new laptop, reinstall your OS and/or configure it for use with totally new hardware.

  17. Re:get both in one package. by Zurk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    get a desknote -- desktop parts in a portable laptop package and external battery if you really really need to have one.
    cheaper than a regular laptop too.
    i ditched my desktop for a desknote which is upgradeable around a year ago and ive not looked back since.