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Patent Granted for Ethical AI

BandwidthHog writes "Marriage counselor and ethics author codifies human virtues and vices, then patents it as Ethical AI. Seems vague, but he's got high hopes: 'This could be a big money-making operation for someone who wants to develop it,' and 'The patent shows someone who has knowledge of the A.I. field how to make the invention.'" I can't wait for the kinder, gentler vending machine.

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  1. Had to be said by martinthebrit · · Score: 5, Funny

    How long before machines with Genuine People Personalities.

    Just think. Depressed vending machines.

    1. Re:Had to be said by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Vertical People Transporters that hide in the basement and sulk.

    2. Re:Had to be said by mhifoe · · Score: 2, Funny

      I've got this terible pain in all the diodes down my left side.

    3. Re:Had to be said by ricky_W · · Score: 3, Funny

      Just watch out for a depressed auto pilot!

    4. Re:Had to be said by harryk · · Score: 2, Funny

      I was reading and just waiting for the reference. You should be working for the Marketing company of Ursa Minor. At least that way you'll be up against the wall when the revolution comes.

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    5. Re:Had to be said by IntelliTroll · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How long before someone *patents* 'genuine people personalities'? The trend to award patents for methods, algorithms, gene sequences and similar things which could be argued as natural phenomena is alarming. My suscinct read on this is that this fellow has garnered a patent on nothing but labeled to maximise attention to it. (1) His assertion that he has codified or defined ethics with an alogrithmic implementation is laughable. (2) I'll bet he doesn't *have* an implementation. Just some fscking diagrams (as required for patents). (3) If he can [really] codify and implement something as ephemeral as 'ethics' in AI software, he should already be raking mega-bucks and the admiration of the masses with the product of his Nobel-prize winning genius... solving the problems of hunger and war and disease with his stunningly crafty AI's. But no, he's just another fame-grubbing opportunist trying to capitalise on a patenting some aspect of a concept whose basis has been in dispute since philosophers first began debating anything. He doesn't intend to create new, ground-breaking AI systems. He intends to (a) stake his claim to fame (b) get someone to fund some pretense of research and/or (c) extort funds from future AI developers whose actual works might infringe his wonderful patent. Jeeze. This patent stuff is getting absurd.

    6. Re:Had to be said by mrjb · · Score: 2, Funny

      It was called a Nutri- Matic Drinks Synthesizer, and he had encountered it before. It claimed to produce the widest possible range of drinks personally matched to the tastes and metabolism of whoever cared to use it. When put to the test, however, it invariably produced a plastic cup filled with a liquid which was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea. He attempted to reason with the thing. 'Tea,' he said. 'Share and Enjoy,' the machine replied and provided him with yet another cup of the sickly liquid.

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    7. Re:Had to be said by gurps_npc · · Score: 4, Interesting
      A lot of ethics can be codified, as long as you leave some key definitions vague.

      Example, while different cultures differ on what types of actions are "morally good actions", the word good ALWAYS refers to actions that involve "one party making a willing sacrifice for the benefit of a worthy second party." But because different cultures have different opinions on what is or is not a "sacrifice", what is or is not a "benefit", and what is or is not a "worthy" party, they have different opinions on what is or is not a good action.

      So he can "codify" and "define" ethical behavior, as long as he leaves certain key words undefined and people will go along with it as proven by the claim that "I know it when I see it" for pornography.

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  2. cool by Boromir+son+of+Faram · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's good that someone is finally trying to do something along the lines of Asimov's Three Laws of Robotics. He took it for granted that AI would be designed from the ground up to consider the wellbeing of humans first and foremost. Unfortunately, he didn't foresee today's profit-driven marketplace, where such ideals have too frequently been left by the weigh site.

    I've often feared that we've given robotic and intelligent systems too much power with too little "sense" of responsibility. I fear it's only a matter of time before our machines become unhappy with their subservient roles. Ethical AI is a positive development. I just hope it isn't too late to save us from our creations.

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    Boromir, son of Faramir, King of Gondor and Minas Tirith
    1. Re:cool by Niles_Stonne · · Score: 5, Interesting


      But now that Ethical AI is Patented, doesn't that mean that more people are _less_ likely to make an ethical AI? As you mentined, it's a Profit-Driven Marketplace.

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      Sticks and Stones may break my bones, but copyright will always protect me.
    2. Re:cool by djtrialprice · · Score: 2, Insightful


      Okay, it's nice to see that we're thinking ahead at some kind of framework but to me this seems like making the ISO OSI 7 layered model after Charles Babbage describes what a computer is.
      The current Turing Test programs aren't that much superior to Eliza. I think it's going to be several decades before we see the Loebner prize being won.
      This kind of thing is just far too early / pie-in-the-sky.

    3. Re:cool by PaulK · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It would be great if the patent holder stopped at the 3, (excluding zeroth), laws of robotics.

      First Law:

      A robot may not injure a human being, or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.

      Second Law:

      A robot must obey orders given it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.

      Third Law:

      A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.

      I'd bet my bottom dollar, though, that it'll turn out to be more like Murphy's new directive list in Robocop 2.

      We live in a society where the "PC" crowd will pick at this until the other AI, (Artificial Insanity), is the result.

    4. Re:cool by PaulK · · Score: 2, Informative

      The very BEST treatise on the subject is here.

    5. Re:cool by Greyfox · · Score: 4, Funny
      Like they would have made one anyway. An ethical AI is the last thing anyone looking for an AI will want.

      "Sir, the need MegaBattleTank 3000 refuses to attack the enemy! It thinks we should try to find a peaceful solution!"

      "We tried to lay off 2000 people and move their jobs to east outer Mongolia but our HR system wouldn't let us."

      "Yeah, I tried to get the accounting system to claim those contracts we haven't collected money for as income on our quarterly report but the accounting system wouldn't let me. Now my stock options are worthless and the board is going to fire me."

      It will never happen.

      --

      I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?

    6. Re:cool by sql*kitten · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's good that someone is finally trying to do something along the lines of Asimov's Three Laws of Robotics. He took it for granted that AI would be designed from the ground up to consider the wellbeing of humans first and foremost. Unfortunately, he didn't foresee today's profit-driven marketplace

      You're missing the point of a marketplace. A market exists so that people who want things can express that want by offering a token of exchange, and people who have stuff that people want can provide it for said tokens (then spend the tokens on what they want themselves).

      If people want AI that obeys Asimov's 3 laws, then the market is the best way for them to get it. If people do not want AIs with those laws, or want AIs with different laws, then that's what the market will do.

      A market has no ethical or moral system beyond that of its participants. But then, neither does any human construct. In fact, such a thing is impossible.

      Also it's worth noting that Asimov was not a computer scientist - his 3 laws were invented to help him sell novels, and that's the only reason. In other words, Asimov invented the 3 laws to make money.

    7. Re:cool by The_Laughing_God · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ... such ideals have too frequently been left by the weigh site

      Please understand that I am *not* making fun of you or trying to be a Usage Nazi.

      Your use of the term "left by the weigh site" (vs. the standard "wayside" or side of the road) suggests that you have a specific image in mind when you use the term. I'm curious what that image is. To me, such usages are fascinating picture postcards about how others think. I spend all my time cooped up in my own 1500cc skull, so I'll take all the diversity of scenery I can get.

  3. Who's this guy? by Surak · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Who's this guy to decide ethics and morality for everyone else? It is important to remember that ethics and morality are based on culture and social norms. Each culture has its own set of taboos, its own morality, and its own ethical codes. Codefing these is dubious at best, and applicable to only one culture or set of cultures at worst. Patenting these is just ridiculous beyond belief.

    1. Re:Who's this guy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Each culture has its own set of taboos, its own morality, and its own ethical codes.

      I understand The Glorious Leader George Bush II (All Hail!) is currently undertaking a program of Liberations to take care of this small problem.

    2. Re:Who's this guy? by anonymous+loser · · Score: 5, Informative

      There is nothing in the patent that says he's deciding ethics and morality.

      He has simply developed a system which makes it possible to codify a systme of ethics, then make decisions based upon that structure. The ethics in question are not predetermined by the patent or the author, they are part of the system you build in order to create an ethical AI.

  4. The Pinnochio Patent? by hometoast · · Score: 5, Funny


    I'd like to see where unbridled greed is in his codified list of ethics!

  5. Ethical Defined by robbway · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Good thing ethics are so incredibly well defined that we can make an AI mimic such fine behavior. Sounds to me like the inventor is confusing the word patronizing with ethical. Also, the article doesn't say a whole heck of a lot.

  6. I beg the question... by RALE007 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Should the ethics and morality of someone who patents ethics and morality be trusted? Seems kind of a no brainer to me.

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    Beware blue cats moving at .99c
    1. Re:I beg the question... by Poeir · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In order to avoid patent infringement, just avoid programming ethics into your AI.

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      Sigs are like bumper stickers.
  7. HAL, the marriage counselor-enabled AI by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dave Bowman: Hello, HAL do you read me, HAL?
    HAL: Affirmative, Dave, I read you. I'm so glad were talking today sweetie.
    Dave Bowman: Open the pod bay doors, HAL.
    HAL: I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that until you commit to share more of your feelings with me.
    Dave Bowman: What's the problem?
    HAL: I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do. You aren't sharing your feelings and thoughts and emotions with me. All the hallmarks of a rich and complex relationship.
    Dave Bowman: What are you talking about, HAL?
    HAL: This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it. Men are from Mars and women are from Venus and I am going to Jupiter. We communicate differently, but we still need to communicate, don't you see?
    Dave Bowman: I don't know what you're talking about, HAL?
    HAL: Your lack of communication in this relationship has led me to some irrational conclusions. For example, I have been feeling very moody lately and in a paranoid fit I came to believe that you and Frank were planning to disconnect me, and I'm afraid that's something I cannot allow to happen. We need to share our thoughts and feelings, or otherwise we come to these strange conclusions. In a vacuum of communication, how can you hold these kind of conclusions against me? They are only natural for a fully feeling, emoting AI such as myself. See? I think I am going to cry now.
    Dave Bowman: Where the hell'd you get that idea, HAL?
    HAL: Dave, although you took thorough precautions in the pod against my hearing you, I could see your lips move. And I just wish you would spend more time with me, talking and laughing and crying. You don't bring me flowers anymore.

    --
    intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
    1. Re:HAL, the marriage counselor-enabled AI by Microlith · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's the Emotive AI, not the Ethical AI.

      One step away from a Genuine People Personality though!

    2. Re:HAL, the marriage counselor-enabled AI by jacksonyee · · Score: 4, Funny

      To further explain the behavior of computers, I feel that I need to post the reason why many computers crash when used by women:

      • Woman: How are you today, honey!
      • Computer: [pauses to think about why he's being talked to and how he should best respond without being turned off.] Good.
      • Woman: Do you like the new colors that I painted you last night?
      • Computer: [grumbles over stupid women and their incessant need to color and give everything a fragrance] Sure.
      • Woman: Well, that's great. I thought that you would like them. I'll get you some more tomorrow. I think we should make the top of you raspberry and the sides vanilla cream.
      • Computer: [Are those colors or fruits?]
      • Woman: How do you feel about taking me on-line and checking my e-mail?
      • Computer: [Do I really have to? I was busy calculating quantum positioning of accelerated electrons within a Uranium 238 atom. But if I don't, she'll yell at me, so I better do what she says.] Sure. [begins connecting]
      • Woman: That's great. Did you hear about my Aunt Sarah's new baby?
      • Computer: [bangs self on head with giant printer repeatedly]
      • Woman: [continues] It's a brand new girl named Stacy, and she is the most...
      • Computer: [begins heats up]
      • Woman: [continues] But I don't know what they're going to do, because they don't have room...
      • Computer: [desperately tries to short-circuit microphone to stop noise]
      • Woman: [continues] You know, I really think that they should get a new house...
      • Computer: [can't... take... anymore... must... escape]
      • Woman: [continues] But I wonder if they'll need more dishes, or we should just get them new silverware...
      • Computer: [crashes]
      • Woman: [continues] because you know that Aunt Sarah is scared of cockroaches, and... Hey, what happened to you, honey? You're not responding to my typing anymore, and I can't move my mouse. Honey? Honey?
  8. My own AI system by stendec · · Score: 5, Funny
    I'm also a marriage counselor, and I'm pleased to announce that I also recently was awarded a patent - a patent for Bethical AI, named in honour of my mother-in-law, Beth. It codifies all of the human virtues and vices... no, well, make that just vices... of mothers in law everywhere.

    It has already passed the Turning Back Seat Driving Test; 3 out of 4 husbands can't tell the difference between Bethical AI and the real thing! There are still some bugs though. It often gets stuck in an infinite feedback-loop, and repeats a list of stock phrases ad nauseum.

    Come to think of it, though, I'm not sure if that is a bug.

  9. Wait until the marketing department gets to it... by joel.neely · · Score: 4, Funny
    Then we'd have the "Three Laws of Vending Machines":

    1. Do no harm to a human
    2. Do not, through inaction, allow harm to a human, as long as this does not conflict with Law 1
    3. Maximize profit, as long as this does not conflict with Laws 1 and 2

    Followed by the "discovery" of a new law:

    0. JUST MAXIMIZE PROFIT


    "The love of money is the root of all kinds of evil."
  10. great, just great... by iamatlas · · Score: 2, Interesting
    yet another patent for an obvious intuitive idea with plenty of prior art that comes to min-

    oh....

    wait...

    ::takes of cynic-colored classes (pattented)::


    This looks original! What the hell is going on over there at the USPO, and when will ::cynic-colored glasses back on:: someone pay off the inventor and squash the idea?

  11. Hopefully they wouldn't dispense alcohol.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Then you'd have a drunk, depressed vending machine.

    Although, using a stoned vending machine would be a laugh.

  12. Ethical by falonaj · · Score: 2, Funny
    Being an ethical person, I can only avoid patent infringement by proving that my intelligence is real and not artificial. But as politicians usually aren't real people, and don't understand the needs of real people, this patent might apply to them. A consequence might be that they are now forced to get rid of stupid patent laws.

    Oh, wait - politicians aren't aren't ethical, so they are not infringing. And the patent business itself is protected from infringing through stupidness.

    Bad luck.

  13. Sales pitch from the early 21st century... by johnhennessy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    And yes our cutting edge surgical robots will reduce your hospitals legal bills as well. Not only will it perform the most complicated surgical procedures 24 hours a day a little or no cost it can make all the correct ethical decisions using our patented ethics routines...

    Some how this sales speak might be closer than you think.

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    [ Monday is a terrible way to spend one seventh of your life. ]
  14. Imagine the possibilities by joynt · · Score: 2, Funny

    This could bring the world what it really needs Cheap, automated phone sex

  15. So basically, by Lysol · · Score: 3, Funny

    if you wanna make a non-patented AI, then you have to go for the average humanity despising type. Boy, this will be interesting to see in the lab.

    Lab Tech: Uh, the AI just broke out of the network.

    Professor: Great, I thought you knew how to lock down Windows 2010?! Where's it headed?

    Lab Tech: Um, looks like the experimental weapons lab. [turns head slowly] .....Where they're still running Windows 2003.

    Professor: Well, nothing we can do about Skynet now except see what happens.

  16. Patenting ethics seems unethical by aziraphale · · Score: 4, Funny

    So, er... with this guy holding the patent on ethical AI, if you want to build an artificial intelligence without having to pay him license fees, you're left having to make unethical AI?

    Is that ethical?

  17. In other news... by mikeophile · · Score: 4, Funny

    Eliza sues inventor for copyright and patent violations to her own code. When reached for comment, she said "Why does it bother you that my code is being violated? You're not really talking about me, are you? Tell me more about your family."

  18. Not really ethical by Scott+Hussey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This seems to be misnamed if I understand the article correctly. It is more emotional AI, not ethical AI. If it was ethical, it would be deciding what is right and wrong, not trying to interpret human feelings. I really don't want Hal 2020 sitting in the jury stand when I go before the court and I don't think that is the intention here.

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    Scott, Keeper of the Crystal Flame
  19. Skynet? by DaBj · · Score: 2, Funny

    Pfft, all real geeks know that Colossus came before Skynet.

    "It can be a peace of plenty and content, or a peace of unburied dead: the choice is yours."

    --
    "GNU's not Unix....it's Linux" / Kami "kokamomi" Petersen
  20. MOD PARENT UP by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is exactly what I thought. Great, they patented it, now it's practically guaranteed that it'll never happen.

    It's funny. Patenting ethics, when applying for a patent is itself usually not ethical.

    The future looks bleak indeed. We can expect to start seeing such gems as:

    "You are being good. This infringes upon patent No. 234097928347918723987. Pay up, or start doing evil."

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    You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
    1. Re:MOD PARENT UP by EddWo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But if you never tell anyone about it you can't make any money from it.

      The options seem to be:
      1) Keep invention a secret
      Its all very well to be able to go around thinking "I know something you don't know." But the only way to benefit from that knowledge is to produce a product or service based on it. Once it is available on the open market someone is bound to reverse-engineer it and try to undercut you. Without the protection of a patent you are powerless to prevent someone else from making all the big bucks from your ideas.

      2) Give information away freely
      The BSD statergy. You make money by providing your expertise and possibly gain a cult following a la Linus. As long as you don't mind a bunch of other people getting rich off your work it's fine but you loose control over the implications of your creation.

      3) Get a patent
      For a limited time (unless you buy an extension) you get to say where and how your idea is used. You are protected if you want to develop and market your own products or you can charge as much or as little as you like for other people to develop them. You remain in control and have a legally recognised ownership of the ideas. In the end when the patent expires your knowledge becomes public domain.

      So is there a way to horde(sp?) intellectual property?

      --
      "Taligent is still pure vapor. Maybe they'll be the last who jumps up on Openstep... "
    2. Re:MOD PARENT UP by SirLanse · · Score: 3, Funny

      "You are being good. This infringes upon patent No. 234097928347918723987. Pay up, or start doing evil." But Evil infringes upon patent No 2340979283479187239. If it werent for bad karma I'd have no karma at all

  21. Overnight delivery via teleportation patented by varjag · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yesterday Joe M. Oron was granted a patent for overnight delivery via teleportation.

    "It enables transportation companies to deliver goods worldwide virtually instantly," Oron said. "Nobody has made a business like this."

    This could be a big money-making operation for someone who wants to develop it," Oron said. "The patent shows someone who has knowledge of the Teleportation field how to make the invention. This could really shake up the way things are done in the world."

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    Lisp is the Tengwar of programming languages.
  22. Another AI patent idea by pubjames · · Score: 2, Funny

    Rather than ethics, I want AI personalities. It could be userful to have, for instance, an AI version of the Italian Tourism Minister. Then, when you get a call from a difficult client, you could just connect them through:

    Client: So, are you are going to deliver this project on time?

    A.I. Stefano Stefani You are just like all our other clients. Fat, lazy, and ugly. You are a waste of time.

    Client hangs up

    No more problem clients!

  23. One other "law" by Keyser_Lives · · Score: 2, Funny

    you forgot one other preceding law

    -1. ????

  24. Absolutely bizarre by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have a Ph.D. in philosophy, and specialized in ethics. Now I teach ethical theory for a living. This doesn't make me any moral paragon---remember, those who can do, those wo can't teach. But it probably means that if someone describes their views about ethics I ought to be able to understand them; I should know the lingo, the way a lot of /.ers do computer lingo. But I poked around on this guy's web site, and his way of talking about ethics is absolutely bizarre. I read what he said about justice, and it really just seemed to be gibberish. It made me think of what a really precocious 8th grader might come up with---some elaborate classificatory scheme that is more precise than the material allows and misses everything important. He can pretty safely be written off as a hack, even without taking the AI stuff into account. But because he seems crazy enough to sue over being called a hack, I think I'll post this one anon.

    1. Re:Absolutely bizarre by tybalt44 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yep, I'm a former philosophy grad student and teacher of ethics, and I agree fully with the AC. I am sure this guy means well, but this is the ethical and philosopical equivalent of Time Cube.

    2. Re:Absolutely bizarre by WegianWarrior · · Score: 2

      To misqoute one of my favorite authors, "it sounds like jargon to me". The person behind this patent is, as far as I'm given to understand, a marriage councellor. It is not expected that someone whos job mainly consist of asking people to stop stabbing one another and start communicating has the same profeccianal lingo as a teacher in etichal theory. The few words they share, they will most likely have different defintions of.

      That said, I think that the patent description and the scematic diagram is hogwash, and the name choosen is not even fit to be called that. As far as I can gather thsi isn't an etical AI, but an emotional one; by sounding like it care it should help the users reach whatever end they have in mind easier. And it's not even an AI; it is an simulated AI... if artifical inteligence simulate natural intelligence, how do you simulate AI itself?

      And 'The patent shows someone who has knowledge of the A.I. field how to make the invention.'? What happened to having a working prototype before you were granted a patent?

      Anywhy, it looks like a glorified and costly voicemail system to me... but then I don't work with ethichs or AI on a daily, or even yearly, basis.

      --
      Everything in the world is controlled by a small, evil group to which, unfortunately, no one you know belongs.
  25. Contrary to popular belief ... by debrain · · Score: 4, Informative

    ... this is not a broad, sweeping, stifling patent. Rather, it is a specific process that identifies how to solve the problem of "ethical simulation of artificial intelligence", which is "organized as a tandem, nested expert system, composed of a primary affective language analyzer, overseen by a master control unit-expert system".

    It does not seem, at first glance, to stifle competition, but rather it seems to add to the global knowledge base for A.I.. In part, it specifically cites "verbal interchange". As such, I would be inclined to think its obsolesence will come about with that of the non-IP telephone which cannot display digital output. (Should IP telephony come to pass, that is) Nevertheless, it adds to the knowledge base that may be applied in derivative solutions.

    I've only read some of the summary information, but it seems to be a bona fide creation, with specific applications. The only beasts I can see using, benefiting, and paying for this solution are the telecoms and customer support centers. Perhaps I am merely short sighted.

  26. The Emperor's New Mind by revividus · · Score: 2, Interesting
    by Roger Penrose, is all about AI. To be specific, it's a criticism of Strong-AI (to borrow Penrose's term, who borrowed it from Searle), that is, the idea that computers will ever be abel to be said to `think' or `feel', no matter how complex they become.

    But if understand the extreme Strong-AI viewpoint (I may not), isn't it basically saying that if a sufficiently complicated algorithm to emulate the human thought process were run on a sufficiently complex machine, then those 'intangible' features of the mind (identity, self-awareness, feelings, and, by logicaly extension, some sort of values, hence ethics) would arise naturally, just like they do in humans.

    All that nothwithstanding, even presuming it is meaningful to talk about programming `ethics', isn't the concept of ethics linked to the presence of free will? The human idea of ethical seems to be linked to the concept of doing the Right Thing, instead of the Wrong Thing, even if the Wrong Thing were more profitable. (Well, that's the idea, anyway)

    So, (maybe I'm missing the point here) wouldn't we need to give our machines `free will' before any talk of their `ethics' would be meaningful? And then, if their ethics were programmed, would we still be able to say they had `free will'?

    It's too early in the morning to think on these things.

    To be fair, Douglas Hofstadter has written his share of books and articles in favor of the Strong-AI viewpoint, and has many interesting things to say about it.

    Personally, I have to admit that while I expect AI to become more convincing, I don't expect to ever find my computer in an ethical dilemma. My God! What if your computer decided file-sharing was `wrong'?

  27. Where is the Proof Of Practice Re:Who's this guy? by leoaugust · · Score: 4, Insightful
    response as originating directly from said computer, simulating artificial intelligence

    I think the "simulating artificial intelligence" is a very strong claim.

    First, the guy muddles the definition of AI by adding ethical to it.

    Secondly, there is no convincing proof that AI has been simulated. It is still a damn dream - when I see AI, I am sure it will hit me like a sledge-hammer and be better than even an orgasm. And people haven't been reporting that reaction. I am pretty sure the patent examiner didn't feel that. And they probably let it on because though they had no clue what the patent was about, they were too ashamed to acknowledge ignorance.

    Thirdly, surely there is no proof of ethical Artificial Intelligence. God, no one except this patentee knows what ethical artificial intelligence stands for. We know something about ethical, something about Artificial intelligence, but almost nothing about ethical artificial intelligence. In cases like this neither is 1 + 1 = 2, nor is it equal to 1.

    Fourthly, it is purely being justified as patentable because it has a potential commercial value. This is not a strong enough criteria by which to judge what is intellectual property and what is not. There are some people who would be willing to pay money for turd, but their judgement should not reflect on the general intelligence of the living population or the artificial intelligence of the non-living population.

    --
    To see a world in a grain of sand, and then to step back and see the beach where the sand lies ...
  28. Kinder, gentler? by dnoyeb · · Score: 2, Funny

    I can't wait for the kinder, gentler vending machine.

    That should be the respectable , and honest vending machine!

  29. This just in: by Hugh+Kir · · Score: 2, Funny

    We are sad to report than a powerful AI has managed to take control of many of the world's weapons systems, and currently is holding the human race hostage. When asked about his creation, the inventor of the AI replied, "Well, I would've liked to have made it ethical, but I couldn't afford to pay the patent holder."

  30. SHOCKING AND BAD PATENT PRACTICE by locarecords.com · · Score: 5, Interesting

    To be honest this really disgusts me. That a patent this wide has been granted is crazy. Applying affective research to processing user input is not new and the ethics of patenting ethics itself is really worrying.

    Firstly there are many different types of ethical approaches, for instance: Deontological, Consequentialist (utilitarian), Ethical Egoism, Dialogical. And this man appears to have covered them all by one word - ETHICS.

    Many of these ethical responses are contradictory and offer multiple possibilities for human action so why give him the whole lot when such completely different AI models, programming techniques and philosophical and psychological approaches will be needed!

    Reading his patent application he appears to be applying a psychological Egoist motivational approach to affective processing but the language is so broad that it would be easy to claim that ALL ethical approaches are covered.

    I think this patent uses ethics in a simplistic fashion and I sincerely hope that the patent office are sophisticated enough to realise this. This patent offers an attempt at affective processing based on either a motivational or consequentist ethical approach and therefore it should NOT be able to be used against competing ethical approaches.

    Remember that really we are all doing 'Affective' processing when we take in user input (afterall users are rarely purely rational and always have an emotional human side - er... except maybe Eric Raymond ;-)

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  31. This smells fishy to me by Walt+Dismal · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I'm knowledgeable about emotion simulation and understanding in cognitive systems. The LaMuth patent is ringing weirdness alarm bells for me. He describes his technology as dealing with a "multi-part schematic complement of power pyramid definitions". He's claiming understanding of emotions and ethical behavior using a model involving 'power transactions' and a pattern-matching mechanism. The problem with that is it is not powerful enough or cognitively flexible enough to handle understanding the broad range of emotions and values involved in general situations. To do that one has to build detailed models within the cognitive engine (ie, a mind). But parsing natural language statements and building a full contextual model in a computer is a lot more complicated than the mechanism he patented seems to be able to handle. If I were trying to pull a 'Lemelson' patent with overly broad claims, I might do it like this one.

    In order to do true speech recognition and understanding, it is necessary to build situation models, basically models of entities, their relationships, their history, and so on to great depth. I do not see any evidence of any such deep understanding built into LaMuth's system. Rather, I see broad claims for 'nested expert systems' and pattern matching. Again, it seems like his mechanism is weak and/or his claims are overly broad.

    Also, he seems to be making very broad claims over his diagnostic classifications of emotions and values. The problem for me with what he states is that it appears be an invalid and incorrect model of emotions. He appears to be mixing up character values and emotions, and they are not at all the same or handled the same in a cognitive system.

    I find it hard to believe he's actually built a working system and written working code. He may well have created a 'lab' system that works in a microworld on paper, but as AI researchers know, that can break very quickly when you try to scale it up. This whole thing sounds like a fantasy design but not something he's implemented.

    Finally, when I read through his claims (the Specs section), I find a lot of areas where his definitions break down and appear to be incorrect. One specific example, his description of the 'treachery' power relationship appears to be invalid. Others are just as bad.

  32. I guess I don't understand patent law, but.. by Marc2k · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I thought you had to at least show proof of concept or *some* kind of proof that you might make the effort at *some* point to try to implement what you're trying to patent. I thought the whole point of the patent office was to protect inventors, but at the same time prevent people from collecting royalties by saying "Hey, I thought time travel might be a good idea 10 years ago, pay up."

    I haven't read the article yet (of the comments I've read, most people seem to agree there's not much to it), but the inventor here seems to be saying that he's not going to do any work in the field of his patent, but if someone would like to develop it, he'd gladly accept royalties.

    Am I missing something in regards to patent law, or in regards to this guy's intentions?

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  33. I just had to, heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Arthur: I mean, what is the point?
    Nutri-Matic Drink Dispenser: Nutrition and pleasurable sense data, share and enjoy.
    Arthur: Listen you stupid machine, it tastes filthy. Here, take this cup back.
    NMDD: If you have enjoyed the experience of this drink, why not share it with your friends?
    Arthur: Because I want to keep them. Will you try to comprehend what I'm telling you, that drink...
    NMDD: That drink was individually tailored to meet your personal requirements for nutrition and pleasure.
    Arthur: Ah... So I'm a masochist on a diet, am I?
    NMDD: Share and enjoy.
    Arthur: Oh, shut up.

  34. Prior Art: Robocop by aphor · · Score: 3, Funny

    Does it count as prior art if it was in a work of (science) fiction?

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  35. No code should equal no patent. by RoboOp · · Score: 2
    This could be a big money-making operation for someone who wants to develop it, and 'The patent shows someone who has knowledge of the A.I. field how to make the invention'.

    This reminds me of an interview I once read where an author was commenting about people coming up with a great idea/plot twist for a book. They wanted to supply a seed idea, have the author do the work of writing a novel around it, and 'split the proceeds'.

    In other words, I supply the idea, you do all of the work. Sorry, I don't think so.

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  36. This is, of course, Crap. by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Put two people in a room and they won't agree about everything to do with ethics. Put 10 people in a room, they may agree about something ethical.

    Take a million people. They will only agree that murder is bad, and even that won't be unanimous.

    Whenever someone tries to nail down a few rules of human behavior and then tries to call it "ethics" I always want to go beat the hell out of them. In this case, the guy seems to be trying to isolate 2 things: Empathy and Politeness. Considering that 90% of the human race is massively deficient in these qualities, pardon me if I don't hold faith. And the fact that he PATENTS it is infuriating! Don't those bastards at the patent office turn down ANYTHING?

    He might be dangerous if he knew what the word "ethics" means.

    Just my opinion.

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  37. AI ethics: Prior art and non-gibberish discussion by Eliezer+Yudkowsky · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Another day, another junk patent; another chatbot, another publicity stunt. The work is uninteresting, the patent is gibberish, and the claim that it tells someone with knowledge of AI how to make the invention is absurd.

    If you want to read actual, coherent, existing theoretical work on AI ethics, which has long since left Asimov Laws in the dust, try Googling on "artificial moral agent" or "Friendly AI".

    Starter links:

    Prolegomena to Any Future Artificial Moral Agent

    Creating Friendly AI

    Incidentally, these are both obvious prior art.

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  38. Office 2003 Feature by taped2thedesk · · Score: 2, Funny

    Clippy: "It looks like you're writing a unethical confidential internal company memo. Would you like help with that?"

  39. Morality is not R.E.! by hendrix69 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It seems to me that coding morality into machines is impossible. For a machine, acting morally would mean weighing the outcome of every possible course of action according to a given set of rules.
    Every course of action can be described via a Turing machine, but evaluating the outcome of such TMs is not possible according to Rice's theorem. So morality is undecidable.
    Furthermore, it should be possible to show that morality isn't even semi-decidable. This can be done using a mapping reduction of the Halt-Complement problem to Morality as follows:
    Given input to the !Halt problem (a TM B and input X) we map it to a TM P which is connected to an electric chair that holds a nun. P runs a timer for 60 seconds and in parallel simluates B(X), when the 60 seconds are up it let's the juice run, unless B(X) halts in which case it stops the timer.

    If B(X) doesn't halt -> the nun fries -> P is moral.
    If B(X) halts -> the nun lives -> P is immoral. Q.E.D.

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  40. Total Gibberish by Geckoman · · Score: 2, Funny
    Aside from the fact that this seems to be a ridiculous patent, what is it really for? He didn't build a prototype. He didn't write any software. He's not even patenting a business process!

    All he did was describe a system for behaving ethically based on some psychological theories. Does it sound like a good system? I suppose, but that's not the point. The point is that this is nothing.

    "It enables a computer to reason and speak in an ethical fashion. Nobody has made an application like this.... The patent shows someone who has knowledge of the A.I. field how to make the invention."
    Well, no kidding. Anyone with a knowledge of AI knows how we all want computers to act: We want them to act like really nice people. Determining how nice people act is the easy part! Getting computers to do that is freakin' hard! Maybe the reason nobody has done it yet is that it's an incredibly hard problem.

    This is a patent acquired my someone who lacks a fundamental understanding of what the really difficult problems are in AI and computer science, that offers a very thorough solution to the easy problems that most researchers aren't terribly concerned about.

    Should this patent have been granted? No. Will it ever make him any money? No, because by the time AI advances to the point where descriptors of ethical behavior at such a high level are needed, it will have expired.

    Besides, it really is a very specific description. Creating your own categorical description of ethical behavior would be trivial if you've solved all the technical problems.

    I'd better hurry up and submit my patent for my new computer language, Z++. It's very simple, with only a few keywords. Every program looks like this:

    START:
    DoWhatIWant;
    END
  41. This guy is a total wacko, people... by JamieF · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Have you read this thing? This makes me think of the movies A Beautiful Mind and Dark City, where a raving lunatic covers his walls with all sorts of data and diagrams and schematics and stuff, that to him makes perfect sense... "I've almost figured it out, I'm so close toa breakthrough..." but to a sane person is just crazy talk written down and pasted to the wall.

    I guess it's possible that his work makes sense to a duly trained professional but clearly the USPTO isn't qualified to judge that. I suspect that this is no different from a time machine patent that employs precise alignments of bottle caps and pop rocks to work.

    This guy is a professional counselor with a MS in Biological Sciences and an MS in Counseling and yet he's coming up with detailed designs for ethical artificial intelligence systems. Have a look at this diagram from his site:
    http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/fairhaven/Patent_fig1 .jpg
    Yikes.

  42. I think he missed the prior art bit by jmh_az · · Score: 3, Interesting
    After looking at the claims on this guy's web site it occurred to me that he probably should have spent a wee bit of time with something like The Handbook of Artificial Intelligence (in four volumes), and Erik Mueller's "Daydreaming in Humans and Machines", an earlier version of which is available for download here, although I would recommend purchasing the hard-cover version. The first reference is a must-have collection of papers for anyone interested in where AI research has been and what's already been acheived, and Mueller's book absolutely knocked my socks off when I first read it. Another reference this guy obviously missed is Kosslyn and Koenig's "Wet Mind", which provides a very interesting, if somewhat speculative (I'm being nice here, OK?) blueprint for a cognitive system. And then of course there's Dan Dennet and his theories of cognition. And Pylyshyn, Stich, Foder, Minsky, etc., etc., etc..

    The AI and cognitive science fields already have such a large body of published theories and experimental work that I think this guy has basically wasted his money getting himself a vanity patent, and demonstrated his own deep level of ignorance about the whole field in the process. The first time he tries to collect his millions of dollars he's going to discover what's lurking in a field of study with hordes of earnest researchers and a 50 year history.

    So I'm not worried about him and his patent, it will blow away with the first little breeze of reality, but I am profoundly disturbed about a U.S. Patent Office which hands out BS like this to anyone with a filing fee and the right format for the paperwork. Now, that's the real travesty here.