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Linux Comes To Afghanistan

gaurab writes "For the first time, 11 people were trained in Linux in Kabul. This training was supported by UNDP as a broader program to build capacity in use of computer technologies. The press release and some info is available at UNDP Afghanistan Website. It was reported on NewsForge today, and was picked up by the Washington Post few days ago. Some discussion also happend on the South Asia Mailing List."

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  1. Re:What's the Over/Under by PD · · Score: 3, Funny

    How many bogomips does Talibanux give on a Commodore 64?

  2. new record by G27+Radio · · Score: 2, Funny

    For the first time, 11 people were trained in Linux in Kabul. ...beating their previous record of 10 achieved in 2002.

  3. Afghanistan could certainly benefit from LINUX. by banal+avenger · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's interesting that the UN would pick up LINUX support. It's good, but still surprising. LINUX is a great way to start people on the right track to success, free of restrictions from the likes of Microsoft. Instead, they're only limited (freed?) by the GPL.

    At any rate, it's definitely beneficial to provide them with a low cost solution to get up-to-date in the tech world.

    1. Re:Afghanistan could certainly benefit from LINUX. by Malcontent · · Score: 2, Insightful

      " That's interesting that the UN would pick up LINUX support."

      Yes. Especially considering there has not been a public election yet.

      Free as in freedom should include elections don't you think?

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    2. Re:Afghanistan could certainly benefit from LINUX. by helarno · · Score: 4, Informative

      The UN is supporting Free/Open Source Software (not just Linux) through a variety of ways. Someone has already posted Netaid's site as a reply. Two others off the top of my head:

      1) UNESCO's support of the Free Software portal. You can find it at:
      http://www.unesco.org/webworld/portal_freesoft/

      2) The UNDP's International Open Source Network found at:
      http://www.iosn.net. This portal focuses on promoting Free/Open Source software to policy makers, government officials, etc. I believe there are other regional centers coming up as well.

      There's a surprising amount of focus on Free/Open Source software in the UN, though most of it is only in the early stages.

  4. Benefits of i18n by GammaTau · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It was very nice to read this at the South Asia IT mailing list (the one linked in the main story).

    So.. yep,,, there's work being done. There're also KDE and GNOME development teams in Farsi, which is very close to Dari- the langugae of Afghanistan. Pashto is also similar. There was a demo of Frasi KDE while I was in Kabul and it has also generated some interests.

    Good localization is really important for the non-western world. I really respect the GNOME and KDE projects for developing open framework that allows this with reasonable effort.

    1. Re:Benefits of i18n by GammaTau · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Also, I'm still waiting for an explanation for the idiocy to put the text of a software somewhere else than in a simple to replace text file than mix it between the code.

      Err, I think the GNOME and KDE projects do it exactly in the non-idiotic way. As far as I know, they can be translated by editing a simple text file. That means that people other than the actual developers can do the translation so very little developer time is wasted on that.

      By the way, translating software to your own language (if it's something else than English) is a good way to offer volunteer support for your favorite piece of software even if you didn't know how to write code. It's something non-technical people can do.

  5. Great... by Toasty16 · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...the UN teaches a handful of Afghanis some Linux and the first thing they do is swamp /. with GNAA posts. There is no limit to the wonders of technology!

  6. Afghanistan is not a primitive country.... by hughk · · Score: 4, Insightful
    if they manage to get their act together. One of the good points about Former Soviet Countries was that education was relatively good. It is only in the last 10 years or so that things have fallen behind.

    If you go to the surrounding coutries such as Uzbekistan and Pakistan (even Iran), they have quite a good infrastructure. It is just Afghanistan that has been left behind because of the war.

    Why Linux, well getting aid money to buy software isn't so hard. Unfortunately, it isn't going to pay for the updates. WIth Linux, you at least have a chance of ensuring your stuff is well maintained. At least in Pakistan and Uzbekistan (I worked there, so I know), you can buy Win2K3 or XP for a couple of dollars, but you can't really use aid money for pirated software.

    In palces like that, the replacement cycle for PCs lasts a long time. Three years ago, I was still seeing 486s in Uzbekistan under Win95. The ability of Linux to last longer with the same hardware is definitely an advantage.

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    1. Re:Afghanistan is not a primitive country.... by foonf · · Score: 5, Informative

      Afghanistan is not a "former Soviet Country", really, although it was under a Soviet-backed government for a time. It never had the state-supported education and health-care infrastructure that developed in the Soviet Union, Eastern Europe, and even North Korea. The American-backed guerilla campaign against the government began almost as soon as the communists took power (and six months before the Soviet invasion), and any efforts they might have made to reorganize the society were made difficult by the almost continual state of war after 1979. So it is really the last 25 years that they have been "falling behind", and things were not amazingly great before then.

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    2. Re:Afghanistan is not a primitive country.... by broeman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      and because of this, Afghanistan is only about 40% of the original country. The areas the Sovjet Union conquered (I can't spell!) became other "stans": Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan, that indeed where under Sovjet rule until the creation of the Rusian Federation (which I think they are not member of). Afghanistan had (and probably still have) a high culture, which was developed before the CIA vs. KGB coldwar. Their connection to Pakistan today is not to forget either, and many (really many) afghan emigrants around the world are quite high educated.

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  7. The thing is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    You can't really train for Linux.

    Linux happens.

  8. Re:Afgani Tech Sector by martingunnarsson · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Whatever happened to that "all humans are equal"-thing...

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  9. Cause and effect by Compact+Dick · · Score: 4, Funny
    For the first time, 11 people were trained in Linux in Kabul.
    ...who promptly unleashed a distributed GNAA crapflood attack on a popular geek website, Slahdot.
  10. This is just an intelligence move by the CIA by Sagarian · · Score: 4, Funny

    so they can set up a distributed worm that searches for /bin/laden

  11. Next On Slashdot... by MixMiesterT · · Score: 5, Funny

    SCO sues Afganistan!

    1. Re:Next On Slashdot... by edunbar93 · · Score: 2, Funny

      SCO sues Afganistan...

      Into the stone age!

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  12. Linux perfect for further development.. Iraq also? by Groote+Ka · · Score: 4, Interesting
    IMHO, this is a good start. Not only from a cost point of view it's a good idea to provide third world countries with Linux. The learning effect of tinkering with the (open) source provides a wonderful learning opportunity for the folks out there.

    Next question is what is going to happen in Iraq. Will Linux be distributed or have closed source software giants learned from this part of development and are the now lobbying with 'The Authority' to have Windows deployed all over Iraq?

  13. Netaid by rf0 · · Score: 5, Informative

    The UN actuall postivly encourage it. Via Netaid the UN setup a group of voulenteers who provide OSS based advice on people out in the field. Its worth looking over there just to see what you can offer

    Rus

  14. Why Linux? Some thought on possible reasons. by WegianWarrior · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Or even, why Open Source Software? I can see several possible reasons for the particular choice of operatingsystem they have picked to train the afgans in.

    Linux is essesially free off charge (if you pick the right distros), which means that the UN and the afgan goverment can spend their money on other things than buying lisences for the OS we all love to hate.

    Linux (and most other OSS) are not tied to a particular country of origin. Face it folks, both OS X, the various flavours of Windows and many of the commercial *nix belong to corpetations based in the US, and the US has managed to make itself less than popular with the UN lately.

    You can still get support for distrebutions of Linux that can and will run on older machines, like 386s and 486s. Thus it is possible to run the infrastructure on the hardware that is already present in the country, instead of forcing them to invest in the latest and greatest from Intel or AMD.

    Stability may be an issue. Linux has a reputation for beeing more stabel than a certain other OS, and it is certainly less likely to catch a virus. Thus money can be saved on support.

    Overall, I think the monetary considerations are the most important here - while the chance to kick the US on the leg may be a (happy) coincidence. And off course, the other question is; Do MicroSoft or Apple even provide a local flavour of their operatingsystems?

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    1. Re:Why Linux? Some thought on possible reasons. by Oggust · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Also, it's actually possible to get linux into the country without violating any EULAs. Pretty much every piece of commercial software I've seen have that little bit about how you're not allowed to export it into any of the T7 countries or afghanistan. (some of them say "taliban controlled areas", so I guess those are OK)

      They should of course change now, but many of them still contain afghanistan.

      /August

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    2. Re:Why Linux? Some thought on possible reasons. by edunbar93 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or maybe, just maybe, it's a unix-like operating system that works wonders for building infrastructure?

      Using it to control and automate things like power stations and fresh water reservoirs, for instance.

      Not to mention banks.

      Things that were being done 20 years ago in the US by big iron mainframes that cost $180,000, plus $10,000 for the OS itself, which can now be outdone many times over by systems costing $300 and $0 for the OS.

      There's little or no need to use hardware as crufty as a 486 anymore, when you can get a system a cheap as this.

      Things in developing countries are typically done on the cheap, but are often newer technology than the legacy systems Americans continue to use (because it was state of the art years ago and would cost too much to bring back up to the state of the art again).

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  15. Yeah but... by jeeryg_flashaccess · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...a press release from Microsoft cleared up many pre-war allegations. Most interesting was the following:

    "This just proves that no WMA will be found in Iraq."

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  16. I thought Afghnistanistan already had Linux... by Spunk · · Score: 2, Informative

    Jon Katz wouldn't lie to us!

  17. What about nearly-free hardware to match? by frostman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I love the idea of propagating Linux and other free software in poor areas.

    But I wonder what the options are for extremely-low-cost hardware to match?

    If you consider that there's a lot of gov't bureaucratic infrastructure to build up, and not much public (international) money to support it, Linux et al are the obvious answer. Linux experts volunteering to do training are the next logical component.

    How cheap could decent computers be bought to round out the picture?

    I don't mean as in "Dell, give us freebies." I mean, could we get together good cheap PCs for US$100 including shipping? Or US$???howmany? What if you bought in Taiwan?

    I'd love to see some charity/not-too-corrupt-NGO make a website where you could buy a computer for the department of your choice in the poor country of your choice. You could opt to keep in touch with its users as well, if there's a common language between you. Dellpaqarcdbmitsu and the like would of coure be welcome to help.

    Anybody seen such a thing yet?

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  18. Relatedely.... by marebri · · Score: 2, Informative


    Developing countries (e.g. in Africa) are hardly ever mentioned as opportunities for growth in Linux usage.But they are, I think, some of Open Source's best opportunities.

    Hardly anything is computerized there (in govt.) and when it is, huge and outdated mainframes are used. In many countries, the next few years are likely to see a massive expansion in govt. computer systems. Its up to the few of us Linux users in those coutries to tout to our govts. the benefits of open source and Linux in particular.

    There should be a number of ways to do this, I can think of one that might be done while making a buck or two... Establishing companies that provide open source solutions to govts.and others.

    All in all, I welcome this latest development in Afghanistan, and I hope that other low-tech. developing coutries will go in this directions as they computerize.