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Nearly 2 Million Active Sites running FreeBSD

Echo|Fox writes "So much for *BSD is dying. The latest Netcraft survey shows over 2 million active sites, and almost 4 million active hostnames all running on FreeBSD. Combined with the report that 5 of the top 10 hosting companies in terms of reliability were FreeBSD based, it's been a very positive month *BSD wise. Perhaps the most interesting quote from the survey is: 'Indeed it [FreeBSD] is the only other operating system that is gaining, rather than losing share of the active sites found by the Web Server Survey.'"

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  1. Ah hell, by Eneff · · Score: 2, Funny

    And I don't have the "BSD is Dying" troll handy.

    We still have the Natalie Portman and SCO dying trolls, right?
    __

    Seriously, I don't know why BSD isn't taken more seriously as a server. Linux is insecure, whereas BSD...

    Damn, another troll.

    I give up.

  2. Does Mac OS X count? by Isbiten · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Does OS X count, when they sum up all the BSD machines?

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    1. Re:Does Mac OS X count? by Sevn · · Score: 1

      In this case they are actually counting FreeBSD
      machines. So no, OSX doesn't count this time. :)

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    2. Re:Does Mac OS X count? by agent+dero · · Score: 4, Informative

      On Netcraft MacOS X shows up as MacOS X and in the server string it states "Darwin"

      So no, they are not including MacOS X :-)

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    3. Re:Does Mac OS X count? by evilviper · · Score: 1
      Does OS X count, when they sum up all the BSD machines?

      I dunno, I'm not realy good at seeing into the future personally. When they sum up all the BSD machines, I'll let you know.

      This article, on the other hand, is about FreeBSD machines only.
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  3. SSDS by linuxwrangler · · Score: 1

    Same Story Different Spin

    Maybe nobody was reading Slashdot on Sunday:
    http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/07/ 13/132250 &mode=thread&tid=130&tid=185&tid=1 90

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  4. Slight error in story posting by Sevn · · Score: 4, Informative

    5 of the top 10 hosting companies in terms of reliability were FreeBSD based

    When in actuality the netcraft article says this:

    "Intriguingly, all of the Top 5 placed sites run the FreeBSD operating system" :)

    Slight difference there.

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    1. Re:Slight error in story posting by kace · · Score: 1

      When in actuality the netcraft article says this: "Intriguingly, all of the Top 5 placed sites run the FreeBSD operating system" :)

      Indeed! One might wonder if a troll submitted this story pre-emptively, with a bad summary, as part of a damage control effort.

      I like penguins. I just don't want them screwing up my machines. :p

  5. Might as well get this out of the way now... by Sevn · · Score: 4, Funny

    This doesn't show anything! I'm a big fanboy for:

    _____ -- put OS here

    That runs:

    _____ -- put web server here

    And it's just as reliable and good as FreeBSD.
    Hell, It's BETTER because:

    ___________________________-- put dubious statistics here

    _______ -- put marketing rhetoric here

    And besides, you can't do:

    ________ -- put proprietary technology here

    with FreeBSD anyway so it's worthless!!!

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  6. News at 11... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...nearly 2 million active sites are dying :)

  7. I wonder ... by Rip!ey · · Score: 1

    I wonder how much the FUD from SCO might have contributed to this ...

    1. Re:I wonder ... by fyonn · · Score: 1

      virtually none I imagine. huge hosting centres don't decide to change their hosting OS as a lightly made decision and it's not something they can or would do quickly. if they're using it now, then they were using it last year in all likelyhood.

      not that linux is a bad OS by any means, but perhaps all these sites are using freebsd, cos they like it and thinks it performs well, rather than just using it as a refuge from legal action?

      dave

  8. miscellania (sp?) by ph43thon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I found this article hopeful.. at first. It seems to suggest that the only reason BSD sites are increasing is because of mainly Yahoo and a few other hosting sites who use BSD. Either way, if Yahoo uses it.. people who work at Yahoo must learn to administer it. So that's good.. I guess.

    Now, as for the professional "anon cows" who seem to dedicate their creativity to explaining the end of BSD, these arguments are disingenious. Mainly, the only thing that may or may not be dying is the current power structure behind the three named distributions (open, free, net). The centralized structure may eventually die.. and then BSD will just adopt the decentralized model ala Linux.

    saying FreeBSD is dying would be like saying "Latin is dying" back when it started branching into its current variants. By making such statements.. one just shows how little they grasp what BSD is. Maybe people don't speak Latin today... but they certainly speak Spanish or Italian. In the future, people may not have a Main Office to hold their "I heart BSD" rallies.. but they will be using it.

    1. Re:miscellania (sp?) by ph43thon · · Score: 1

      http://webhosting.yahoo.com/

    2. Re:miscellania (sp?) by Arandir · · Score: 1

      Eeeeh! You need a Yahoo!ID...

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    3. Re:miscellania (sp?) by ph43thon · · Score: 1

      ha.. nah, you just freaked out when you saw the login.. it's just their very sparse webhosting site.. the login is for existing users.

    4. Re:miscellania (sp?) by usotsuki · · Score: 1

      Er...Yahoo owns Geocities...

      -uso.

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  9. FreeBSD is very alive!!! by horcy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm running FreeBSD 4.8-RELEASE as a server/router solution. I've talked with linux users about al the amazing features it has and the stability it offers. All of have switched to FreeBSD. If you want to install something, you just look up your port in the ports list, you type: make install distclean, and you are ready. It automatically downloads it from a ftp server, if the first is down, it checks for a mirror site. It checks for all necessary dependencies and installs that too. I started with Mandrake linux and after that i'm in FreeBSD land. Never looked back since. Oh did i mention it has the Unreal Tournament and Quake3 server in the ports? One "make install" away for pure gaming haven for you and all your friends =P

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    1. Re:FreeBSD is very alive!!! by josepha48 · · Score: 1
      For a server / gateway / router, I'd agree. FreeBSD is really good. I have my home gateway / router setup as a FreeBSD system. I think configuring it is actually easier than Linux configuring. Almost everything is done in the /etc/rc.conf file on FreeBSD, except my firewall script.

      I use NetBSD on my laptop though cause it has better hardware support than FreeBSD for some reason? FreeBSD used to hang on my laptop nic and sound didn't work, so I use NetBSD there.

      However for applications / my desktop I prefer Linux. Yes I know BSD's have LInux emulation and I have tried it and it works okay, but why emulate when you can just as easily run the real thing?

      They are all good, each in their own way!

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    2. Re:FreeBSD is very alive!!! by bugg · · Score: 2, Informative

      It is very unfair, in my opinion, to refer to the process of system call translation (the driving force behind FreeBSD's linuxulator, which enables, for those of you who don't know, software *compiled for Linux* to run on FreeBSD- of note only for the Linux software that does not have source available) as emulation. It is binary compatibility of the highest order. Simply put, it does little more than translate syscall numbers on the fly, also adjusting for things like differences in arguments. Quickly sizing up the FreeBSD system source tree right now, the code for linux compatiblity comes in at under 256KB. The overhead per system call of the linuxulator is not measured in fractions of a second but rather in instructions. Add to that the possiblity that FreeBSD may be doing the system call itself faster, or be more responsive for other reasons, and you quickly see that there's no reason to assume the footing is unequal because the binaries were compiled for Linux.

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  10. Re:*BSD is dying by kace · · Score: 2, Funny

    It is official; Netcraft now confirms: *BSD is dying ... Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers. ... All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share.

    I think I get it now. These trolls -- they're all government accountants!

    "It depends what the meaning of the word 'more' is."

  11. Troll and Offtopic don't seem quite right.... by ctucker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What we really need is more downmod options, like "Stupid fool", "Moron", "Cum-gargling gutterslut" or "Too inbred to think". Clearly these would be more specific to the type of BSD troll who links to early-90s filesystem research papers and claims that it has any relevance today.

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    1. Re:Troll and Offtopic don't seem quite right.... by xombo · · Score: 1

      Ahem, it's cum guzzling gutter slut. Get your terms straight man!

  12. What the summary doesn't tell you by ArmorFiend · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Indeed it [FreeBSD] is the only other operating system that is gaining, rather than losing share

    Only other than what? It turns out, if you follow links, that Win2k3 server is the other gaining OS. They go on to say this:

    Comparing the sites which are now hosted on Windows 2003 with their operating system in December 2002 shows over 42% of these to be new sites, 43% (68K) to be upgrades from other Windows platforms (mainly Windows 2000), 5% (8K) to be migrations from Linux and 1% from other operating systems.

    Microsoft will take some considerable encouragement at the number of sites that have switched from Linux.


    Woo, 1/20th of their new sales come from previously linux sites.
    *Makes hand-wank gesture*
    1. Re:What the summary doesn't tell you by ratfynk · · Score: 2, Interesting
      It just means that the number of windows software pirates has increased in proportion to the number of useless lame web sites. I have no dought Win2003 is the spammers Os of choice. If one looks to the Orient software pirates prefer Windows server software because of ease of use, and the fact that it is easy to pirate. I believe I have read somewhere that the pirate trick is now by using a false verification web activation, and the law authorities are having real trouble keeping track of the pirates.

      Gates might be having kittens but the 2003 licence sales are not reflected in the number that are poping up, like a weed on the outlaw net. This kind of software piracy is a direct result of MS pricing policies.

      Microsoft may be trying to encourage poor countries to use their software by giving it away , to influence local authorities to crack down. They tried the other root (American strongarm political influence) and failed. So they tried the stick now they are trying candy.

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    2. Re:What the summary doesn't tell you by Quill_28 · · Score: 1

      Whats really important here is did the total Windows server increase or decrease. I would expect 2003 to increase because it is so new and well known. Well, NT 4 server to decrease until it is no more, and 2000? not sure.

    3. Re:What the summary doesn't tell you by mattyohe · · Score: 1

      look at netcrafts page today :)

      netcraft

      Windows Server 2003 approaching 100,000 active sites; 8,000 sites switch from Linux

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    4. Re:What the summary doesn't tell you by ArmorFiend · · Score: 1

      That is quite odd. Once you've gone to the trouble to set up a linux site, why tear it down and install a propriatary time-bomb ... er ... excuse me ... "solution".

    5. Re:What the summary doesn't tell you by MeNeXT · · Score: 1
      What is your point. Are you comapring versions of OS's or OS's? Win2k3 is the same as Win2K and WinNT.

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    6. Re:What the summary doesn't tell you by ArmorFiend · · Score: 1

      What is your point.

      Is this a question? If it is a question, then my point is: Its so bleedingly obvious (to THEM) that Dohs2k3 is gaining market share that they don't even have to say that it is! I'm suprised that its that much of a foregone conclusion.

      Are you comapring versions of OS's or OS's? Win2k3 is the same as Win2K and WinNT.

      True enough, they're doing apples-to-oranges.

  13. Re:So Much For *BSD Is Living by nutznboltz · · Score: 2, Informative
    AT&T filed suit against Berkeley Software, claiming that proprietary code agreements had been haphazardly violated. In the same year, BSD filed countersuit, reciprocating bad intentions and fueling internal rivalry
    Oh and Linux has no problems with lawsuits.
    Theo de Raadt
    You've got RMS, don't talk about Theo.
    BSD's filesystem implementation to be "very poorly performing."
    Obsolete refernce, doesn't mention softupdates.
    rapid, decentralized development models are inherently superior to slow, centralized ones in software development.
    The Linux kernel development has to push everything through Linus so you've got bottlenecks too.
    corporations and coders alike to reap profits without reciprocating the goodwill of open-source
    You've got LindowsOS so don't talk about corporate greed.
    The failure of BSD culminated in the resignation of Jordan Hubbard and Michael Smith from the FreeBSD core team.
    So all the current success is not happening, huh?

    Is it just me or does the *BSD is Dying troll seem like he has real problems
  14. DNS servers on FreeBSD are great too by nutznboltz · · Score: 1

    It's easy to disassociate the nameserver from the OS using the ports tree so it's easy to upgrade the system and more secure since you can run in a change-root.

    See this USENET post.

  15. Enterprise BSD? by iggymanz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm involved in an Oracle on Solaris/sparc to Linux/Intel migration, and I can't but thinking why not also FreeBSD for the enterprise? It has the fibre HBA drivers for SAN, it has a volume manager, it has a very stable filesystem (moreso than ext2/3), it can run Oracle with Linux emulation libraries, has SMP, a fantastic TCP/IP stack, easy installation/upgrading of ports & packages.

    I never used FreeBSD until a few months ago when I tried to get my favorite, OpenBSD, up on a very weird 1U Intel based server I picked up on eBay from a failed telco. Versions 2.9 to 3.3 of OBSD wouldn't work, it would hang in the idle loop FreeBSD 5.x has been running fine on it (don't know why)

    1. Re:Enterprise BSD? by agent+dero · · Score: 1

      You seem to miss the beauty of the ports collection.

      Using the ports I can adapt my server to be my desktop computer, and vice versa with my desktop PC.

      If you look into other "enterprise" OSS solutions, you'll find out they are not HUGELY different from the normal solutions. For instance redhat enterprise software is mostly different from the normal redhat OS because it has a longer shelf-life, meaning you do not need to upgrade every 6 months.

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    2. Re:Enterprise BSD? by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      OpenBSD is still my favorite; though it would have a somewhat longer list of needed items to be made into an "enterprise" server (if the project ever even went in that direction). I was just telling how I came to be interested & fascinated in FreeBSD recently.

    3. Re:Enterprise BSD? by MattBurke · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Try taking a sniff around the servers of larger, more clueful ISPs - They almost all use FreeBSD. Why? Because that's the place FreeBSD grew up. Linux has the hobyist hackers working on it whereas a high proportion of FreeBSD users/developers work in the ISP biz. It's just evolved into the perfect serious server OS.

      I've seen FreeBSD boxes (mail servers to be precise) with load averages approaching 1000. They were sluggish, but perfectly usable both over ssh and smtp. That was during a rather nasty spam attack - yet the boxes kept on working. You couldn't say that for a Linux box in that situation. Sorry, but it would be stone cold dead by then.

      Sure, we don't have all the twinkly bits that Linux users enjoy, but we go get one mother of a workhorse :D

  16. OS/2 IS DYING! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    What more proof do you need?!

  17. Re:I'll see you and undercut you a word by Groganz · · Score: 1
    apt-get install nameofpackage
    Does that allow to customise the package with make options?
  18. Re:*BSD is dying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Read your own troll, idiot.

  19. Re:I'll see you and undercut you a word by leonbrooks · · Score: 1

    Yes. Debian's installs often provide run-time configuration based on a few simple questions as well (with reasonable defaults).

    URPMI also installs from source, more opaque than Debian installs but often with more useful collections of patches and/or options preloaded, and you can always do the rebuild process by hand to suggest things to configure.

    More typing, of course, but TANSTAAFL.

    I suppose you could always try Debian FreeBSD and see how you get along.

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  20. Production by rf0 · · Score: 1

    I've found FreeBsd to be a nice stable platform which I run my business on. No dowtime due to kernels oops. It just gets up and runs and runs and runs...

    Yeah ok this is a pimp but FreeBSD just works and the package management is only second to debian (which I think is being ported)

    Rus

    1. Re:Production by acidtripp101 · · Score: 1

      package management only second to debian?! I'm sorry, but the fBSD package management system is by far better than debian. (this may seem like a troll... but it's not, I swear) Debian packages tend to be outdated. And, while this doesn't really matter on a server (unless you're upgrading to fix an exploit, I guess), it means that I can't stand using it on a desktop (yes... I use freeBSD as a desktop at home). On freebsd, if I want to upgrade my ports tree, no problem. cvsup it and I've got updated packages. apt-get update just hasn't been able to keep up with package releases (well, not enough to suit me, I guess). To conclude: Debian rocks, but I like freeBSD more.

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  21. BSD reports by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

    Netcraft is dying!

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  22. Re:ports suck by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

    > I gotta chime in here. It really pisses me off
    > that FreeBSD does not let you (by default) [make update]

    Just a thought, but did you even *consider* installing "portupgrade"? It just happens to be a little program to automatically upgrade ports. My apologies if you were just trolling.

  23. Re:Hang on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
    Here's the situation as it stands:
    • Uday is dead.
    • Qusay is dead
    • BSD is dead
    There you have it folks. All dead.
  24. Since when is...? by phorm · · Score: 1

    "SCO is dying" a troll? Hell, they're being a bit loud about it, but they are definately starting to go through the death throes.

    In a year or two from now... I'd expect "BSD is dying" might be replaced with "SCO is dying"... and then it'll only be funny 'cause SCO will be long past dead by then (as Slashdot newbies say "SCO-who?")

  25. Elegy for *BSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Elegy For *BSD


    I am a *BSD user
    and I try hard to be brave
    That is a tall order,
    *BSD's foot is in the grave.

    I tap at my toy keyboard
    and whistle a happy tune
    but keeping happy's so hard,
    *BSD died so soon.

    Each day I wake and softly sob
    Nightfall finds me crying
    Not only am I a zit faced slob
    but *BSD is dying.

  26. 2 Million Sites = How Many Servers? by CryBaby · · Score: 1

    OK, I already know I'm stupid, so please don't feel compelled to point that out, BUT... Aren't these statistics based on IP addresses? If so, does anyone know how many actual boxes comprise the 2 mil sites?