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Grid Computing Coming Of Age

ravenousbugblatter writes "The New York Times online has an article discussing grid computing and recent advances made by Dr. Ian Foster, among others. The article compares the state of grid computing over the internet to where the internet was in 1994, which was soon after the development of the software for the use of URL's, HTML, and HTTP. Predictions are made in the article that in the near future the massive power of grid computing will be available to anyone with an internet connection, not just to big companies that can afford to hire HP and Sun to run a grid project for them."

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  1. Grid2003 by grennis · · Score: 5, Informative
    Why settle for just reading articles when you can attend the Grid2003 workshop in Phoenix this November?

    Its the 4th one, and getting better every year.

  2. Could the powers-that-be... by MoThugz · · Score: 4, Funny

    please consider setting up Grid Computing section! ...so that I can finally filter it!

    Thanks in advance.

  3. Registration Free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The article from NYTimes requires (free) registration.

    Here is the registration free URL

    Please use news.google.com for finding article links.

  4. As a coder... by Valar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As a coder who works with things like md5 cracking programs (like the thingy in my sig) and various assundry other programs, I can honestly say: the crackers do NOT need any more processing power!

  5. Does the average user care? by chenGOD · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sure this is great if you're doing simulations or animating/rendering stuff . But for Joe Schmoe who surfs the web and reads his e-mail, what's the big deal? How will this affect network security?

    1. Re:Does the average user care? by BWJones · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sure this is great if you're doing simulations or animating/rendering stuff . But for Joe Schmoe who surfs the web and reads his e-mail, what's the big deal? How will this affect network security?

      Well, I guess the obvious answer is that this is Slashdot. News for Nerds. Stuff that matters. Not News for Joe Schmoe.

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    2. Re:Does the average user care? by BWJones · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sure this is great if you're doing simulations or animating/rendering stuff . But for Joe Schmoe who surfs the web and reads his e-mail, what's the big deal? How will this affect network security?

      Aside from my rather glib answer to the parent post, I should have added that for the average Joe Schmoe surfing the web, grid computing is very important for web-searches, hierarchical analysis of searches and valid links and if the spam load keeps increasing, we will have to have grids just to handle the load of email onslaught. Seriously though, all you have to do is examine any of the search engine companies. Take Google for instance. How do you think they do what they do? Grid computing is the answer.

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    3. Re:Does the average user care? by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 4, Funny
      "But for Joe Schmoe who surfs the web and reads his e-mail, what's the big deal?"

      How else will they get the computing power to handle the AI for Clippy in the next version of windows?

      "I notice you haven't done anything in a while. Would you like me to:"

      -Calculate the meaning of life?
      -Cure cancer?
      -Run Carnivore and send the answers back to our nations great protectors?

      No thanks, I'll pass.

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  6. You mean by djupedal · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...that bastard Scott is right?

    The network really is the computer?

    Where'd I put that mousepad......

  7. Google bigger than whole 1995 Internet . by Fu+Ling-Yu · · Score: 5, Interesting

    We did study on size of infrastructure of Internet for demographic studies and thanks to partners at Stanford, found that Google setup now is bigger than the whole Internet in 1995 in terms of machines and total bandwidths. Grid computing definitely works..

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  8. Read between the hype.. by djmitche · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is great if you think it's great. Grid computing is a technology without a cause right now. It's preposterous to think that the average joe, or even the average joe company, will have any use for grid computing in the forseeable future. Most of us can't keep our load average above 0.1 (that's 10% for you Windows-users) doing anything useful as it is!

    Heck, look back over the grid computing stories we've seen here on /. Whose name keeps popping up?

    1. Re:Read between the hype.. by sn00ker · · Score: 5, Interesting
      You're either trolling, or wearing blinkers.
      Grid computing isn't meant to be used for home users. It's meant to be used for computing tasks that would otherwise be run on super computers - Modelling molecular flow patterns and tectonic plate movements, to name but two. The implication that I read was not home users, but mobile users - Scientists and engineers who're out of the office and need an answer fast.
      There are companies out there that would love to be able to run computationally intensive modelling, but can't afford the systems they need to get it done in a reasonable amount of time.

      Stop thinking in terms of things that you would use it for, and start thinking big but not enormous. There's plenty of stuff out there.

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    2. Re:Read between the hype.. by cranos · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Let me guess, you thought 640k was all anyone would need? Or maybe there would only be a market for 5 computers in the world.

      Grid Computing will find its reason, whether its sooner or later who knows, but dismissing it out of hand is short sighted to say the least.

  9. oh my god... by jx100 · · Score: 5, Funny

    SKYNET LIVES!!!!

  10. Re:Seti@Home by Bert690 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The computation performed by Seti@Home is what Grid researchers refer to as an "embarassingly parallel".

    Among many other things, Grid folks hope to solve problems that aren't quite so amenable to divide-and-conquer. But then they had to go base their protocols on the bloated Web services stack, implying a relatively high granularity per compute unit. So we'll see how well that works out!

  11. "Grid computing" - stupid idea by Animats · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Look who's pushing the idea - companies in desperate need of a new revenue model.

    If you wanted to do this right now, you could cut a deal with a mid-range ISP. Buy an account on every server for use only during off-peak periods, run standard clustering software, and crunch all night. Run on a server farm with large numbers of identical machines interconnected with massive bandwidth. A true Beowulf cluster application.

    Nobody does this. That's an indication there's no market for commercial "grid computing". Clusters, yes; reselling computer time, no.

    Remember "push technology"? "Micropayments"? "Grid computing" will go the same way.

    As for "peer to peer" systems, bear in mind that without copyright problems, music distribution would be trivial and cheap. Just put each new song out on Netnews. Netnews is far more efficient than any of the peer-to-peer systems. The music industry only generates a few tens of megabytes of new data per day, after all.

    1. Re:"Grid computing" - stupid idea by groover+mctasty · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Who's pushing this idea is researchers. Witness the TeraGrid, the BioGrid, the Fermilab ACP. Companies such as Microsoft, IBM, and HP, are simply involved because they are convinced there will be a larger market in the future. These companies have done quite well with the current "revenue model".

      If you don't believe me, check out .

  12. Re:personally by groover+mctasty · · Score: 5, Informative
    I have spent some time reading "The Grid: Blueprint for a New Computing Infrastructure" by Ian Foster and Carl Kesselman, as well as the OGSA/OGSA standards being worked on by the Global Grid Frome . This is how I make the distinction.

    Distributed computing is a collection of ideas and practices of which Grid computing is a subset. Distributed computing involves any type of computational resource sharing over a range of couplings. Grid computing, basically, is the idea of taking the solutions distributed computing has come up with so far and making implementing them over widely distributed networks in a standard framework that will make sharing easy, flexible, and powerful. At the same time, faster computers, more available storage and higher bandwidth networks are pushing the development of new distributed technologies for applications suited to a standardized, available computational grid. These applications include physics simulations, tele-immersion (sort of a networked virtual reality), climate modeling, drug discovery, etc. Yeah these are all research applications. Just like the original Internet, the research community is a natural first audience. It will be interesting to see how companies and, eventually, consumers take advantage of the Grid in the future.

  13. A Way Forward for Grid Computing by npch · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've been working in the Grid Computing area for the last two and a half years, and would like to make a stand for all of us who aren't just worried about bigger supercomputers.

    Supercomputers are great, but the number of big computing problems that can handle being run on distributed groups of supercomputers is small. That's why things such as the Earth Simulator and the ASCI programme still exist - sometimes it's just better to build a bigger box!

    Where Grid Computing might take off in the science and business mainstream is collaboration and sharing of resources. In particular, I work on producing middleware to try and share and unify data resources. In the astronomy community for instance, they have spent many years standardising the naming schemes for their databases and as a result, projects such as Skyserver and SkyQuery are becoming possible. Now consider the bioinformatics field: hundreds of competing standards for naming things as simple as gene expression ids. Grid computing should provide some of the tools to make knowledge extraction from the many disparate scientific databases possible.

    This has applications in business, and it's something we're already seeing in the uptake of Web Services. One recent Grid Computing initiative - Grid Services - is pushing the boundaries of Web Services, and extending them to standardise functionality such as state and lifetime management which should make them more useful for the kinds of collaborative problems which are cropping up in both business and science.

    For instance: a car manufacturer has an agreement with different suppliers of airbags - obviously information exchange must take place to ensure safety of the passengers, but both the car manufacturer and airbag supplier will not necessarily want the other to be able to see all data for their parts, just use it. As suppliers change, the manufacturer must ensure that data is properly traced and expired. This is not much different from scientific collaborations, financial collaborations or even network gaming where we have a huge number of swiftly changing, transient resources.

    It is these problems of dynamic collaboration and maintenance of resources that Grid Computing may eventually solve.