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Panther's TextEdit to Open MS Word Files

2muchcoffeeman writes "Further signs that Jobs and Gates probably won't be vacationing together anytime soon: New Damage has what looks to be screenshot proof of Panther's TextEdit.app opening a Microsoft Word .DOC file. Panther beta users who have tried this report at MacSlash that it works, to a point. So what's next? Is Apple now going to bring back the late, great MacWrite Pro?"

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  1. PDF by TomGroves · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why did they use a PDF to display a screenshot, I wonder. Any ideas?

    1. Re:PDF by Tumbleweed · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > If anyone is interested, a PNG file of the image in the PDF is 2KB larger than the PDF itself.

      Okay, so compress that PNG via pngcrush and then compare the filesizes. The PNG implementation of just about anything that creates PNG is usually pretty badly done. Considering the age of the PNG format, this is rather puzzling to me.

    2. Re:PDF by kilgore_47 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      PDF is a native graphics format for MacOS X.
      open /System/Library/CoreServices/SystemStarter/QuartzD isplay.bundle/Resources/BootPanel.pdf
      Look familiar? (on preview: drop the space in "QuartzD isplay" that slashcode put there)

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  2. Apple is stepping up by chia_monkey · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Apple has been getting bold. And I love it. I still wonder about it all though. Safari rocks. Of course MS gets scared and stops making IE for Mac. FinalCut Pro kicks ass. Now Adobe wants to stop making Premier for the Mac. Apple has Keynote to compete with PowerPoint. And PDF creation with OS X is damn simple.

    Apple is taking on all the big boys...something you just don't see these days. It's very exciting. And let's all be honest. Why do Mac users buy MS Office? Because it's good? Nope. So they can open up .doc files made on a PC. Go Apple!

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    1. Re:Apple is stepping up by sirmikester · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I don't think MS got scared, I think that it just stopped to make sense for them to put IE on macs...

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    2. Re:Apple is stepping up by dbrutus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Web services nightmare

      July 4, 2006

      Dear Mr. Bank CEO,

      Apple customers + Linux customers are about 7% of the desktop market. The xxx Bank web banking solution doesn't support anything but Internet Explorer which is not available on any platform but Windows. As a shareholder, I'm concerned that we're losing customers and money because of this. I intend to bring this up at the shareholder's meeting. You're in the business of making the bank's shareholders money, not shilling for Microsoft. There is *no* reason not to support everybody's computer platform. Their money spends just as well.

      Sincerely,

      Large shareholder mac user

    3. Re:Apple is stepping up by Maserati · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm not keeping numbers at work, but PowerpointX is right behind Quark 4.11 as my #1 source of trouble calls. Lately, I've just been opening them in Keynote (we only have one license for the moment) resaving them as .ppt's and sending them back. This usually cuts the file size down by a third and solves a lot of simple corruption issues. I switch an executive assistant to Keynote tomorrow.

      EntourageX is #3 on my list, and I'm looking forward to the improved mail.app in Panther, as it is right now, mail.app is completely unusable for someone bumping into EntourageX's 4GB database limitation. I want it faster, a lot faster before I start deploying it. We used AppleScript for the QuickMail Pro-> Entourage migration (a bigger upgrade than going to Mail.app will be), so that won't be a big hassle.

      G5s this Fall !

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  3. It works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It works, but it's not perfect, in some of my documents there are some minor problems, mostly with escape characters. Though, more importantly the fonts are rendered beautifully, instead of the jagged fonts that one has to deal with when using Office v.X.

  4. Office Package Speculation by Johnny+Mozzarella · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have heard rumors of Apple working on an Office suite which includes a word processor called "Document" and a spreadsheet app cleverly called "Spreadsheet". It seems as though they are going to test and hopefully perfect the most important feature in TextEdit first, reading .doc files.

    Once they have the bugs worked out, they will release Document which will be able to open .doc files perfectly and resave them into Document's native XML format. Document will hopefully be available for Mac OS X and Windows.

    Microsoft's .doc format has a death grip on the business world. Unless there is an affordable alternative that can read .doc files it isn't going very far.

    The word processor is the only piece of the office package that most users need. Apple should make just Document for the PC and make it affordable. It will introduce many PC users to how software should be written. Like the iPod it will be a trojan horse that will hopefully cause them to consider a Mac for their next purchase.

  5. Re:Openoffice.org? by djupedal · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As an aside, I no longer find myself 'just firing up' something or other.

    Apps like Oo.O are run at start, and left running. Along with Safari, Mail, iTunes, Reason, SlashDock, etc. etc.

    2gb of RAM seems to help. Why 'open & close'...'open & leave running', I say.

  6. Mac IE by Slur · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Of course MS gets scared and stops making IE for Mac.

    Now come on. Everyone knows Microsoft dropped its support for IE because it wasn't making any money. ;-)

    On a more serious note, considering that the browser was a freebie, why didn't Microsoft continue to improve it after its initial release? Does anyone remember the fancy flash animation MS produced starring "Zippy" that showed IE with a built-in media player and other nifty features? WTF?

    Your point about MS Office is right on, though. Initially it seemed like a cool offering. But damn is it an annoying set of programs! I actually find it more pleasant to use Dreamweaver to make documents, and then print them into PDF files.

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  7. A vector desktop by Redundant+offtopic+t · · Score: 3, Interesting
    It would have been kind of cool if the window would be rendered in vector graphics, in the reality, and directly displayed to PDF. A vector desktop still seems to be a dream, or did I get something wrong?

    When I first heard of Apple using display pdf for the gui and high resolution icons in something named "the dock", I was hoping that they had implemented what SGI did with their OpenGL--vector graphics on the desktop. Now, that was (is still? been 10 years, kinda hazy) an amazing desktop. each window had a thumbwheel that would continuously scale the icons in the window. the icon for the media drive would change to show empty/full/in use by overlayed animation. Eye candy, sure, but informative eye candy. Main things about a vectorized gui--clarity and speed.

    Seems to me that apple has everything in place to do this--opengl and display pdf. They can go a step further to my ultimate dream--resolution independent wysiwyg. That is, system-wide, having 12 point type be 12 points high whether the display is 72ppi or 123ppi. Also, having the menu bar stay the same apparent height through resolution changes. (yes, my eyes are getting old.) Win hints at doing this with small/med/large font selections, but Apple has the technology to do it right.

  8. Re:Openoffice.org? by JohnFluxx · · Score: 2, Interesting

    hmm, well you can start openoffice and have it running as a server.

    Then your java apps (or python or whatever) can just talk to it via java objects (or whatever).

    Makes it trivial to create word doc's.

    In a day I made a web page where you could type in a web url or upload a word document, and it would create and return a pdf.

  9. Re:I think this is going to be a problem by MrMickS · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Will Apple ever be able to produce its own software which will read MS Word, Excel and Powerpoint files properly (And I mean properly, with no errors - you would be surprised how pissed off people get when there is a slight inconsistency between the platforms)
    This depends on whether the infinite number of monkeys MS employs as programmers can keep making enough changes to the file format between versions.

    The current climate and the latest license proposals from MS have focused the minds of business people on alternatives to just buying the latest from MS. There is an opportunity here for an alternative to Office, it would have to be cross-platform though and marketed a damn sight better than WordPerfect.

    Keynote is already more compatible cross platform than Powerpoint. A colleague created a Powerpoint document on Windows for his boss to present on his G4 laptop. Powerpoint from Office v.X wouldn't play the presentation correctly. Keynote read the presentation in and worked. Interestingly the when the presentation was exported from Keynote as a Powerpoint document the Office v.X would play it without problems.

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  10. Re:To quote Cryptonomicon: by macwhiz · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Sure, POP/IMAP work, but what about all the public folders I need and Calendar stuff?

    Yeah, too bad that Apple doesn't have some technology for managing calendars and synchronizing them with other networked sources that they could build upon...

    Oh, wait! ;)

    If Apple is pursuing a strategy of replacing Microsoft technology wholesale, then I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to find an update to iSync that knows how to push bits between an Exchange server and iCal.

    Seems to me that's a better rationalization for iCal's existence than trying to push Palm out of the Palm Desktop business... even if Palm Desktop for Mac could use the competition.

  11. First OSX public beta did that too... by stephdau · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What's truly funny is that I remember that TextEdit in the very first public beta of OSX (a few years back) was already able to open Word docs. This feature never made it to any of the current upgrades though. I guess they had planned for this for a while, but MS b*tched at them a little too loud at the time. Now the question is: is this gonna make it in the released version this time around?!?