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Apple Cuts Prices for Educational Customers

Eharley writes "Over the weekend, Apple's online educational store lowered prices on its computers and upgrade components by 5-15%. Now the 12" Al PowerBook starts at $1399. If you have a computer on order that hasn't shipped you probably already received an email about the price drop and will have your account credited the difference. However, if you're like me and always seem to buy things the week before they have their prices reduced, you may still be eligible for a refund provided you act fast."

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  1. iBook by NeuroKoan · · Score: 1

    Damn, especially considering that I paid that much for an iBook last year.

    Man, why didn't I just wait a year :)

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    1. Re:iBook by jcr · · Score: 2, Funny

      Man, why didn't I just wait a year :)

      Umm, because you can't get any work done on a machine that you haven't yet acquired?

      I'd like to get a 16-CPU, 3/4 Terabyte RAM, holographic display palmtop myself, but they're still about a decade out..

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  2. Sign me up by ihatewinXP · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I knew there was a reason i didnt want to graduate this century. aside from the obvious perks of being a career student Apple education prices just keep me taking electives.

    Seriously though, a 12" poweerbook for $1399? I remember my fist mac, Lombard powerbook, being like $3000. Im looking over my expenses tonight and will probably order one tomorrow. I easily got my moneys worth on the lombard because i used it so long. The vlaue I recieve from apple notebooks make that an absolute steal.
    you can wait for the g5 powerbook, ill start being more productive with my antiquated g4 tomorrow.

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  3. Woot, G5 Prices Get the ChopToo by WiseWeasel · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Awright! Now I can get a Dual 2GHz G5 w/ stock options and an upgrade to a 9800 Pro graphics card for $2969, about $100 less than when I priced it out yesterday. Oh happy day. It's like they said here, you're a student, have a free 9800 Pro, you'll be needing it for all your studying . . . how generous. My order is soooooo placed.

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    1. Re:Woot, G5 Prices Get the ChopToo by Jon+Abbott · · Score: 2, Funny
      Imagine that, I can get the same specs for a dual AthlonMP PC for nearly $1,500 less!
      Half the price, and half the bits... No surprises there. :^)
    2. Re:Woot, G5 Prices Get the ChopToo by Delphiki · · Score: 1

      You can't get a PC with the same specs for $1500 less. You can get a good PC for $1500 less. The G5 Dual 2ghz would make it look really weak though. 1ghz bus, dual 2ghz ppc 970 (an Athlon MP is NOT the same, not even close), 8x agp, pci-x, serial ATA, blah, blah, blah. Price a system that's actually almost equivalent instead of just having in common that they are dual processor systems, and see how much it runs you.

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  4. Australian changes? by Flicka · · Score: 2

    I checked the apple edu australian store and i havent noticed any changes. Anyone got any idea?

    1. Re:Australian changes? by imperator_mundi · · Score: 1

      Nor I saw any kind of dicount in Switzerland where at educational prices a 12" Powerbook starts at 1,819.50$ (2,469.42) including 7.6% taxes at today rates
      :(

    2. Re:Australian changes? by questamor · · Score: 2, Informative

      Last time I had a big whinge about the prices on the oz apple store not changing when the big price drop happened a month or so ago, I did so on slashdot... ...then the buggers went and updated their store!.

      It was perhaps a day later than the US one, but it did happen. I'll save my complaining for Wednesday night I think :)

    3. Re:Australian changes? by bdsesq · · Score: 1

      Isn't a "day later" in Oz the same calendar day?
      They probably coordinate the changes across the planet by date.

      "Ok everyone on July 21 at 8am make these changes"

    4. Re:Australian changes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no it's a day sooner

    5. Re:Australian changes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would have made the oz apple store be updated almost 2 days ago, our time.

      It's probably more "get the US side working fully, promote it with PR announces, and let everyone else catch up as their mornings come around"

      Mind you, we did get some things earlier in stores, such as jaguar, by half a day.

  5. Re:Geez by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Shouldn't the limited front page space on Slashdot be reserved for interesting stuff?

    It is. This story doesn't appear on the front page.

    Or is Apple on the verge of buying hAndover or OSDN or whatever the overlords of Slashdot are called these days??

    No, but I detect your jealousy of Apple.

  6. Only for Education Individuals by tbmaddux · · Score: 3, Informative

    Prices have not changed for educational institutional purchases, and the prices for individuals haved dropped to match the (formerly) lower institutional prices. At least, that's what I've found from checking on my recent institutional purchase of a 12" PowerBook.

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  7. Man, this is competition by mzeb · · Score: 1

    Apple's biggest point of competition with PC sellers has always been it's laptop market. If you look at prices that's where they are most comperable. So don't be surprised if we see an AL 12" with slightly better specs and $1299 price tag within 6 months. Apple has to keep on top of this market if they want to stay in the game.

  8. stay in school by ionyka · · Score: 2

    Doesnt this just make you want to fail a semester or two so you can stay in college to get the educational discount :) If it had no affect on my grades and/or my after-college plans, id most certainly stick around for another semester or two.

    1. Re:stay in school by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hmmm wouldn't that end up costing you more than what the educational discount is saving you?

    2. Re:stay in school by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, sounds like he's trying to use this as an excuse to justify his failed semesters, when he actually just sucks at math and English (effect, not affect). Hope his parents buy it...

  9. Re:Geez by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Hah, jealous of Apple?!? Right.

    And it was on the front page for me, so I don't know what the hell you're talking about.

    (Posting as AC to avoid burning more karma.)

  10. Re:Geez by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Then you're an idiot. Blame yourself.

  11. Re:Geez by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Unless you're hitting apple.slashdot.org, dunno how you're getting this on the front page; it's not there for the rest of us.

    In any case, users.pl?op=edithome is the droid you're looking for.

  12. The word directly from Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Apple Education
    Education Price Consolidation 7/19/03

    Dear Campus Reseller,

    Effective July 19th, 2003, Apple will institute standard educational pricing for Apple hardware and AppleCare products for both institutional and individual purchases. Individuals who are officially affiliated with an educational institution can now purchase Apple hardware and AppleCare products for personal use at Apple's published institutional pricing. Apple is lowering its prices in response to campus requests for students to purchase at Apple's published institutional pricing.

    This pricing action supports Apple's efforts to:

    - Grow market share in individual purchases, especially with regard to student purchases.

    - Drive incremental business during the higher education peak selling season.

    - Make Apple products more price competitive.

    Now buying a Mac desktop or laptop computer is more affordable than ever. We encourage you to pass this significant savings along to your customers.

    With regards,

    Frances Himes
    Sr. Director
    Higher Education
    Apple Computer Inc.

    Campus Reseller FAQ:

    Q: What products are affected by this price change?

    The price change affects Apple hardware and AppleCare products. Apple software, memory and third party products are not affected.

    Q: When does this price change take affect?

    The price reduction is in effect as of July 19, 2003.

    Q: Will the prices change on the Apple Store for Education Individuals and my account's Custom Apple Store?

    The prices will change on July 19, 2003 on the Apple Store for Education. Any Custom Store with standard individual pricing will change automatically on July 19, 2003. If your institution has a Custom Store with special discounted pricing, please work with your Account Executive.

    Q: Why did Apple reduce education individual pricing?

    This pricing action supports Apple's efforts to grow market share among individual purchasers, especially students. Reducing prices of Apple hardware products will help Apple and its campus resellers increase the volume of orders and units sold, thus gaining greater penetration among individuals on campus and boosting overall revenue during the higher education peak buying season.

    Q: Will this price change affect the recently announced Back-to-School rebate bundle offer?

    The Back-to-School bundle rebate offer is still valid with the new lower individual pricing on eligible products. Now with this additional price reduction, individuals purchasing through their institution's campus reseller or the Apple Store for Education online will save up to $200 depending on which qualifying Mac laptop is purchased. This savings, in addition to the up to $300 rebate, will potentially increase the volume of orders received and the number of units sold by the campus resellers to individuals at their institutions. If your campus has a Custom Store that purchases at prices lower than Education Institution pricing, please contact your Account Executive to determine your eligibility to participate in the Back to School offer.

    Q: Will we receive price protection for products we have in inventory?

    No. As a campus reseller you currently purchase Apple inventory at Institutional pricing, so there is no need to offer price protection.

    Q: Who should I contact if I have questions regarding this price change?

    You can either contact your Apple Account Executive directly, or send an email to Apple's campus reseller program.

  13. Yay US Students by truffle · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Candian students, still out in the cold :( Thanks Apple.

    Apple student developer program (popular source of student discounts for apple products) also US only.

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    1. Re:Yay US Students by NaugaHunter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      When there are international pricing differences, why is it everyone assumes it's Apple's fault? There could be lots of possible reasons. Tariffs and shipping costs that they don't include with the price. Local taxes. Fluctuation in currency rates which prevents easy savings translation. (Well, if we lower this price by x here, we'd lower it y there today but z tomorrow.) Costs of local versions of the software. (And yes, even for Canada. I remember complaints early on for OS X about the included dictionary was either American or UK English, neither of which worked correctly for Canadian.)

      I'm not trying to overly defend them. But International Boundaries make a mess of a lot of free trade; it's just a matter of where it shows up. And it is possible that Apple Education America and Apple Education Canada are entirely seperate entities with seperate budgets makeing their own decisions. In this case, they would do things seperately to increase their sales but meet their budgets.

      Now, I don't work for Apple (as much I as may wish I did). It may be that none of these are true and someone up top did say 'Meh - don't give it to foreigners!'. I just don't think it was that cold-bloodily simple.

      As for the student developer program, that probably has most to do with whatever software/services they offer and the distribution rights Apple has for them, or the level of administration they can apply towards it. I'm sure they are aware that growing an international community of developers would help them massively long term, so I doubt they simply don't want to do it.

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    2. Re:Yay US Students by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
      When there are international pricing differences, why is it everyone assumes it's Apple's fault? There could be lots of possible reasons. Tariffs and shipping costs that they don't include with the price. Local taxes. Fluctuation in currency rates which prevents easy savings translation.
      Here in the Netherlands, it has occured several times in the past that I could buy a ticket to the US and import a Powerbook on my own an still spend less than buying locally. Yes, this is including tax (I'd have to pay this through the local Apple store anyway) and tarifs (which is 0% for computer equipment). At the moment, Apple Europe is charging the same in euros as Apple US is in dollars (both sides excluding tax), but the euro is worth about 13% more. A few months ago, they charged more in euros than in dollars, even though the euro was worth 15-18% more!
    3. Re:Yay US Students by NaugaHunter · · Score: 1

      This is true, but possibly misleading. Whether you spend less overall would depend on the price of the ticket, though air travel being what it is now I'm sure on weekdays straight roundtrips to US cities are probably relatively cheap.

      Another point to expand my first post is that price differences unique to neither Apple or computers. For example, there are people daily going between US & Canada for prescription drugs, beer, cigarettes, gambling, clothes, imported CDs/games. I'm not looking to defend or attack any instance in particular. The point I was hoping to make is that international trade is a very complex, multi-tiered beast, and it gets tiring to read the simplistic cries of 'Why is it still expensive here!' after every price change, when this can be said of virtually everything sold from someone's point of view.

      (I won't even bring up ancient, pointless embargos that prevent me from getting a good cigar. Though I have suspected that half the point is that they are forbidden; can Cuba's tobacco/processing really be that much better?)

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    4. Re:Yay US Students by nelsonal · · Score: 1

      From what I understand on the Cubans they really did used to be better, but with the US out of the market the good growers moved to other areas with their seed stock and are now better than what the Cubans are growing. This isn't first hand knowledge. Also, if you don't get a huge ammonia flavor to the cigar you got ripped off it's probably not a cuban.

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    5. Re:Yay US Students by MacGod · · Score: 1
      When there are international pricing differences, why is it everyone assumes it's Apple's fault?

      If I read it correctly, the parent post wasn't complaining about pricing differences, but rather pricing change differences.

      He was stating that Apple had dropped the price on the PowerBooks in the US and not Canada. In this case, unless the tarifs have changed, a price drop should occur in both countries, since the border charges etc are constant, and the price of the product itself dropped.

      Now, as he pointed out later (after you'd replied), Apple did drop prices for the Canadian versions, too.

      It should also be noted that the last time Apple cut PowerBook prices, they actually dropped the Canadian prices more than the American, so I guess it all works out in the end.

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  14. Oops, I spoke too soon by truffle · · Score: 2, Informative


    http://www.apple.com/ca/higheredindividuals/

    $125 off for a 12" powerbook, I assume other items are discounted as well.

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  15. Re:Geez by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And it was on the front page for me, so I don't know what the hell you're talking about.

    Then you're looking at apple.slashdot.org and only have yourself to blame or you have chosen to have all apple articles displayed on the front page, in which case you only have yourself to blame.

    wake up next time kthxbye

  16. Checking for proof by mrpuffypants · · Score: 1

    While it may be a bit underhanded remember that all you need to buy at an educational discount is to say that you're a student for the online store. There's no check of any records or such at all. If you want to buy in an Apple retail store, however, you will need a picture ID.

    1. Re:Checking for proof by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually they do random checks for students. I bought a tower and I was not checked, 6 months later I bought an ibook and they requested i fax in a copy of my student id. I know several other people who have also bought with the educational discount, however only one other one of them had to submit proof of student status. Thus I have no firm proof but I belive that they check randomly.

    2. Re:Checking for proof by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
      I have no firm proof but I belive that they check randomly.
      The fine print says they do.
  17. Mine was cheaper by TMacPhail · · Score: 1

    I still had a better deal than that about 5 weeks ago. Got mine for $1999CDN while the current canadian educational price on apple's website is $2125. I dont think the canadian educational price dropped at all recently though.

    1. Re:Mine was cheaper by infinii · · Score: 1

      Please tell me how/where you got this discount.

      Thanks

  18. Re:not FP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Furthermore you have failed to achieve anything else either. Might as well end it all now.

  19. Re:Geez by SN74S181 · · Score: 1

    Jealousy of Apple?? WTF??

  20. Too little, too late by Gizzmonic · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Apple just lost New York City's school district to Dell. Funding cuts are stabbing at the heart of our educational system...as it's the Republican's plan to 'phase out' public education for a voucher system (don't worry about the children who get a crappy education during this period, they'll do fine!).

    In the short term, it seems to make financial sense to drop Apple for Dell. Just like it seems to make financial sense to pass $300 billion in 'tax cuts,' (actually just deferring payments until somebody else is in office). But the board of education will soon find out that the human costs of IT will far outweigh the benefits of a one-time savings.

    All in all, this is just another case of immediate gratification over future growth and stability. Sorry Apple, but the price cuts are hitting hard up against IT propellerheads looking for job security.

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    1. Re:Too little, too late by AvantLegion · · Score: 0
      don't worry about the children who get a crappy education during this period, they'll do fine!

      Public schooling already does a fantastic job of this.

      And most students will just end up going to the same public schools even with vouchers anyway.

      I love how the left has such doom-and-gloom for any minor thing they don't support (don't privatize social security, everyone will end up broke with no retirement! I don't care if we're talking about privatizing only 2% and leaving the other 98% alone exactly as it is!)

    2. Re:Too little, too late by pressman · · Score: 1

      I love how the left has such doom-and-gloom for any minor thing they don't support (don't privatize social security, everyone will end up broke with no retirement! I don't care if we're talking about privatizing only 2% and leaving the other 98% alone exactly as it is!)

      There's an old saying that it takes 2 years for an administration's economic and social policies to have an effect. With GW in office for 2 1/2 years now and the economy in the crapper, 2 wars under his belt, a scandal regarding forged information on Iraq's attempts to purchase nuclear materials and the GOP controling every branch of the government.. including the fourth branch... I'd say the left has pretty good cause for complaint! Things aren't good right now at home or abroad. The rest of the world hates us (UK and Spain excluded)and we're seeing unemployment figures that rate right up there with the recession of the 70's.

      Now, don't get me wrong. I don't blame ALL of this on the Republicans. I blame it on the failure of the American political system... the fact that anyone who can get elected to office really isn't fit to serve in the best interest of the people.

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    3. Re:Too little, too late by Gogo+Dodo · · Score: 1

      This cut wouldn't have made a difference because the cut is only for individual purchases, not institutional purchases.

    4. Re:Too little, too late by mgs1000 · · Score: 1

      Yep, and the economy was just doing great two years ago.

    5. Re:Too little, too late by pressman · · Score: 1

      Well, it hasn't gotten any BETTER, that's for sure!

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    6. Re:Too little, too late by AvantLegion · · Score: 1
      There *are* reasons to be critical of Bush.

      But that's not the topic here.

      Someone made an inane comment about school vouchers. I followed up with a comment likening it to the uproar of social security privatization. Neither of these things have happened. Both of them would make minor changes, at best. Yet many on the left make doomsday comments about both being the end of the world. Such drama queens.

      Now, on the other topic, yes, there are plenty of LEGITIMATE complaints against Bush. I am Republican, I voted Bush, and I am not 100% satisfied with the job so far. I was pro-war (as were *many* Democrats, many of whom smartly voted pro-war and then duck and covered from their own party, and now emerge unscathed). I am not pleased with the state of the economy. Bush inherited a bad economy from his predecessor, but has not fixed it. The upswing back has indeed begun, but I do not attribute that to Bush himself - I think it's just the pendulum swinging back up, despite getting some less than forceful pushes.

      I think the nuclear material information is kind of a bogus flag to wave, though. It IS troubling that bad info was passed. But not only have many (including MANY Democrats!) said for years that we know of Saddam's weapons, but Iraq already HAD uranium! Much of the press is talking like this fake "sale" means that Iraq did not obtain such materials. They already had them. We SHOULD get to the bottom of why the bad info was passed, but it in no way invalidates the war. I do think accountability is important, though.

    7. Re:Too little, too late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yet many on the left make doomsday comments about both being the end of the world. Such drama queens.

      "Allowing Gay Marriage will DESTROY the nuclear family!"

      "Legalizing marijuana will cause WIDESPREAD lawlessness and licentiousness!"

      Those arias aren't coming from the stage left-nope, the fat lady's caterwauling from the far right of YOUR Grand Old oPry, and that's the side that drags Mr. Bush along like their precious little dolly.

      Republican solution to public school decay? Cut funding! Republican solution to budget windfall? Cut taxes! Fuck you for being poor then, ya dumbshit. Hey, at least I can get a job at my dad's oil company...

    8. Re:Too little, too late by burns210 · · Score: 1

      "and the GOP controling every branch of the government.. including the fourth branch..."

      I know noone will read this, but i was hoping pressman(the poster) would... What do you mean by that statement, and what is the 4th branch?

    9. Re:Too little, too late by gryphokk · · Score: 1
      What do you mean by that statement, and what is the 4th branch?

      While given no specific powers, the free press and free speech was specifically included by the Founding Fathers (writers of the U.S. constitution) for, among other reasons, to enhance the system of checks and balances among the three branches (Judicial, Executive, Legislative).

      Hence, the media is (unofficially) the fourth branch of government - and the easiest for the general populace to participate in - espceially now that it includes /. (shameless karma whoring)

      Power to the People! Right On!

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    10. Re:Too little, too late by pressman · · Score: 1

      The poster who beat me to this took the words right out of my mouth. Pretty much nailed it actually.

      Business in general can also be considered a branch of the government since businesses spend so much money on PAC's, lobbyists and bribing elected officials to pass legislation that best suits their particular business needs.

      Basically, money talks nowadays, and the money has bought the fourth branch. Just look at Fox News Network. Try and tell me that's even close to being fair and even handed coverage of anything, let alone liberally biased!

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  21. Clearing out inventory? by Van+Halen · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Of course, everyone has been expecting new PowerBooks for some time, especially with the 8-month-old 15" model still lagging the other two in system specs. Both WWDC and MWNY came and went without a refresh, and it seems that the latest rumors are predicting a late August update to the line, using new Motorola PPC 7457 processors running at 1.1, 1.2, and 1.3 GHz. As always, rumors should be taken with a huge helping of salt, but perhaps Apple realized that many students and educators have been waiting for a PowerBook revision before buying for the fall. End of August is probably a bit too late for most people to get new machines before the semester starts, so maybe this is just a small incentive to get people to buy current models now?

    Regardless of speculation, it'll be interesting to see what happens with pricing when newer models do come out (whenever that may be).

    1. Re:Clearing out inventory? by saintlupus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Another possibility is that Apple realizes how many incoming students are buying their college dorm room computers right now, and want to capture a little more of that slice of pie.

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  22. Not a typycal Apple user by RzUpAnmsCwrds · · Score: 1

    I've always wanted to own a Mac, but was always put off by the price and the fact that I couldn't build one from scratch. Well, now I need a laptop, which you can't really build from scratch anyway. At $1600, the PBG4 was a bit excessive. I looked at the $1200 iBook but with a 900mhz G3 and 128M of memory it's a little pokey. Not to mention the size and weight (not bad, but it's not exactly a PBG4 either). The PBG4 @ $1400 is really attractive. I may just get one. Of course, I'll dual boot Jaguar (Panther) and Gentoo.

    1. Re:Not a typycal Apple user by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You'll dual boot for about 2 months. Then you'll realize that you never use Linux and that it's just taking up disk space that you could use to store your iTunes collection. Seriously, OS X is for all practical purposes Unix, and there's very, very little that Linux can do that OS X can't.

    2. Re:Not a typycal Apple user by whjwhj · · Score: 1

      Build it yourself? Gentoo? 'typycal'? I pity you.

  23. The prices were lower before? by GiMP · · Score: 1

    Recently I checked the educational discounts and saw that only $50-200 discount on the equipment depending on the model.

    I remember getting a $300 discount on my 2000 Pismo Powerbook in 2000. The other machines also had good discounts, mine was configured with minimum specifications. It seems to me that the discounts have been decreased and only now to be slightly returned to how it was back in 2000.

    I'm looking at getting an eMac for my wife; this couldn't come at a better time :)

  24. Rant! (Totally off topic) by pressman · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    When it comes to Iraq, well, I never supported the war. I want to know where these weapons are. 3 months after the war is declared over and we still have yet to see them or have any proof of whether Saddam is alive or dead. Also where is Osama?!

    Like I said, I don't belong to or believe in either of the two major parties. Also like I said, anyone who can get elected to a high public office is not someone who SHOULD be in that office. This political system has failed in practice. In 2000, the Electoral College showed all it's ugly faults in a HUGE way! I can't believe this relic from the days of slavery is still allowed to function. When are we going to see a viable 3rd party candidate who isn't crackpot like Perot or Jesse Ventura?

    Basically, when I hear statements about "The Left", I start getting angry because, as a member of the left, I resent being categorized with the Democrats who are about as far left in their thinking as the GOP in general. Being for better school funding does not make one necessarily a left leaning thinker.

    Let's face it, our government is leaning so far right that the leaning tower of Pisa looks vertical in comparison.

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  25. Re:idiot. by pressman · · Score: 1

    Well, the Southern States back in the day had very low populations in comparison to the Northern States. So, in order for the Southern States to have similar representation in Congress and in voting, slaves were counted as 5/8 of a person in terms of representation. This determined the number of Congressmen and Electoral Votes a state would get in the Presidential Election. It was a compromise between the North and the South resulting from the slavery issue. When slavery was abolished, the Electoral College stayed intact and has very little relevance to the actual will of the people in terms of elections and now only serves to elect presidents who do not win the popular vote.

    Read a history book!

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  26. Re:idiot. by pressman · · Score: 1

    Yes yes yes, the Great Compromise. And yes, 3/5 not 3/8... my bad. Thanks for the correction. You cannot however dispute the fact that the Great Compromise led to the South having unfair representation based on their non-voting slave population. There is a connection between slavery and the Electoral College... a tenuous connection, but it's there.

    The Electoral College is a relic and flies in the face of the idea of democracy. I mean it wasn;t until the 1970's when Electors were required to vote for the candidate who took the state in the popular state election. Hell Reagan got 1 electoral vote in the early 1970's when he wasn't even running for office.

    Pardon my inaccuracies, but the Electoral system is flawed and has on several occasions elected an unpopular president.

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