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U.S. Biometric Passports By Late 2004

truthsearch writes "The Register is reporting 'Current plans call for the new passport books to include a contactless smart chip based on the 14443 standard, with a minimum of 32 Kbytes of EEPROM storage. The chip will contain a compressed full-face image for use as a biometric. European biometric passports, by contrast, are planned to feature both retinal and fingerprint recognition biometrics on their smart cards.' How they tie this to '9/11 fears' is curious considering the hijackers had valid paperwork."

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  1. False Privacy by Frothy+Walrus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Even though we have better-than-32K resolution in the
    Analog photos in our passports, I bet that at least half
    The Slashdot readership's back hair is standing on end.

    Maybe this is a privacy concern. Maybe. Especially if
    You're concerned about automatic face recognition and such.

    Anyone could create a device which could match your face from a
    Scan of your passport photo. And your retinas can even be
    Scanned while you're in line. What's the big deal here?

    1. Re:False Privacy by eyegor · · Score: 5, Informative
      Although I agree with much of your post, retinal scanning from a distance is pretty far-fetched. Think about how a lens works for a second. In order to see a significant portion of the retina, you'd have to be very close.

      Iris scanning is possible from a bit farther away click here for info and facial scanning from even further away.

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    2. Re:False Privacy by CracktownHts · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Right on. My passport (US) has a digitized photo anyway, so I would assume my digital mug is floating around in a Federal computer system somewhere. Given that airlines generally (if not universally) maintain passport numbers in the passenger manifest of any flight in and out of this country, it's a trivial matter to have the pictures up and ready when the flight lands at its port of entry.

      The European scheme, with fingerprints and retinal scans, would disturb me a bit more if I were subject to it.

    3. Re:False Privacy by stuyman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What sort of worries me about the use of fingerprints and such is that they provide information to the government that has uses outside of matching you to your identification. If they have your fingerprint stored in a computer, then they can just go fingerprint all the soda cans or whatever thrown out after that anti-IMF rally and produce a list of everyone who was there. The trick is to legislate against these things, and maybe if we really wanna be cool we could pass a constitutional amendment protecting privacy (the nebulous interpretation of one existing now is subject to change whenever the supreme court gets bored).

      We can use technology to protect our privacy, and we can use technology to eliminate it, so we'll have to keep ourselves safe and free with legislation instead. We outlaw murder, not knives...

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  2. Privacy... by __aaklbk2114 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Excuse me, whoever posted this story forgot to add the following line somewhere in the summary:

    "The privacy implications here are worrying, and this sets a bad precedent, IMO."

    Slashdot editors, please make this correction immediatly.

  3. *phew* by revmoo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well, I don't know about you guys but I feel so much SAFER now!!

    Now our fears of terrorism are answered, I can now sleep well at night again.

    God bless America!

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  4. Worth? by Squidgee · · Score: 4, Interesting
    What's this worth? The images on a smart-chip are going to be lower resolution tham your passport image, and I don't see what good being sure you are who you say you are is going to do..

    It doesn't effect privacy either; it's just kinda worthless, since "Adbar" could be a terrorist, but hey, we don't know that; we just know he's Adbar! 100%!

    1. Re:Worth? by drix · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Your passport image has a hologram overlayed over it, which makes any attempt to scan or copy it functionally impossible--sure it can be done, but the resulting image is very obviously not original. I know of no hack around this.

      This digital copy, OTOH, will have no such protection. Oh sure, it will be encrypted and scrambled and blah blah blah, but anyone with half a brain and a propensity to scan the tech headlines of the past decade can tell you it's a matter of when, not if, it is defeated (e.g. CSS, Windows Media, "Enhanced CD" copy protection, half a dozen others).

      So, to sum up: the photo on your passport now: not hackable. The photo stored in your passport 5 years from now: hackable. You can see why some claim this will degrade our privacy.

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  5. They did same sort of thing after TWA 800 by corebreech · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They ratchet up security procedures, requiring everybody to show ID when flying, but when they decide that the aircraft went down not because of terrorism but because of a design flaw, do they roll back the tightened security?

    Not on your life.

    Face it lads, we're property. Nothing more.

    1. Re:They did same sort of thing after TWA 800 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Flying is now a conventional method of travel, a regular part of the average citizen's life.

      Once you go that far, you could use the same argument to justify intrusive security anywhere.

      "Hey, it's not like people are pushing you out on the sidewalks which are continually video monitored."
      "You don't have to drive a car on highways where all vehicles are scanned at regular intervals."
      "Nobody's forcing you to live in a city that requires surveillance cameras in every bedroom and bathroom."
      "You aren't required to get that IRS identification implant unless you are an employee, business owner, or shareholder, and participation in those activities is 100% voluntary under the law."

    2. Re:They did same sort of thing after TWA 800 by u-235-sentinel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't see this as a "more-secure ID system". What can be programmed can be reprogrammed.

      Isn't that why DirectTV is suing everyone on the planet for owning one of those programming devices ? (read it here in an earlier article). Doesn't matter if you are ligit or not. Even if we can get to 80% secure would be a major improvement :-)

      Personally I'm not for something like this. America didn't become great because the Government interfered like this. It became great because the Government took a back seat to "We the People..."

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  6. Better than DNA Matching by Gefiltefish11 · · Score: 5, Funny


    Better to match on appearance than somethning more insidious and Ashcroftian (look mom, I made a new word!)...

    Please bleed in the cup, Mr. Anderson. We need to match your DNA to this passport.

  7. Follow Suit by GenusP · · Score: 3, Funny

    I think that life would be easier for everyone if the standards for passports were the same everywhere. Might as well follow suit with Europe and allow more info stored on the card. Here we are just setting ourselves up for upgrades within a short period of time. We could also switch to the metric system while we're at it.

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  8. challenge? by r_orourke · · Score: 5, Funny
    "With this approach "you can read a chip and confirm its validity, but you cannot create one." said Moss.

    What is that? A challenge?

  9. Bio "Metrics" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Makes sense for Europe. We'd have to coin a new phrase for our system here in America. Something that denotes that it's base 12...

  10. Big deal? Maybe...but not necessarily for worse by stuyman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This honestly doesn't seem like such a big deal to me. Consider that this changes very little: there's already a picture on your passport, and any country that wants could just photocopy or scan that. This probably won't help prevent terrorism, though it certainly seems to eliminate a less sophisticated avenue of fraud. Far fewer people have the technology to produce a fake passport with a smart chip than without.

    Here's another interesting potential positive. When you want a visa to visit a country (something we americans don't need to do for most "westernized" nations) you usually need to send along 2 passport-sized photos, which means the PITA of going to get pictures taken. Now, if the embassy of Brunei has a smartcard reader for the passport, they could just download the picture from your passport instead! Electronic storage of visas and such might even eventually let us do all these things over the net.

    There are privacy issues with any form of identification, but they rely less on what the identifier is but more on how it is used. If we want to preserve our rights, we need to fight against regulations forcing us to show or carry ID (a la Gilmore). The form these IDs take is not so important (well, unless they want to implant them in our skin, or make them checkable via radio, etc, but these are separate animals...)

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  11. Welcome.. by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


    Welcome to the United State of America. Allow the nice lady at the counter to take your picture, retinal scan, fingerprints, blood sample, stool sample, urine sample, hair follicle, oral swab. After that please check one of the two YES or NO boxes next to "I AM A TERRORIST" statement.

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  12. 9/11 ties by nycsubway · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How would you not tie it to 9/11? When you want total control, you will do anything to achieve it. Even using a tragic event as a means to what you want.

  13. Take off your goddamn tin-foil hat. by Dr.+Bent · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Woah! This is going way too far....A picture in a Passport! The audacity! Won't anyone think of the 4th admendment? I should quit my job and join the Michigan Milita. Viva La Revolution!

    Come on people....If this had been done 5 years ago the response would have been "A digital picture in my passport? SWEET! One more thing I can try to hack..." Not everything is a facist government conspiracy to rob you of your freedom. Sometimes it's just using technology to make something better.

  14. Why it matters by crow · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't mind having my biometric information stored in my passport. What I care about is having my biometric information in a government database. Once the government starts collecting this information, they're going to save a copy for themselves. Then the database will be available whenever they want to determine who someone is, such as when analyzing photos of protests.

  15. Will I have to buy a new one? by MattRog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It didn't mention this in the article so I thought I'd post here and ask. I just recently purchased a US passport which doesn't expire for 10 years. Will I be required to purchase the 'upgrade' to the new passport or can I continue to use it until it expires in 2013?

    With all the outstanding passports I couldn't imagine the US Gov would re-issue new ones for free. Hopefully we'll all be 'grandfathered' in, although since it is their property they could revoke them in Oct. 2004. :(

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  16. This does seem pointless. by ahfoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As someone who lives off his passport on a daily basis this seems like a gimick. Passports are totally insecure documents and always will be because they are used by people who leave their country and its laws behind.
    The real wake up call about passports happened for me when my first one expired. I had memorized the number and assumed that naturally this ultra important piece of ID would be kept for life --not a chance.
    I specifically requested to keep my old number and the feds said, no its not allowed.
    This struck me as totally bizarre, but by that point I'd travelled enough to have met people who casually threw away their passports and got new ones whenever they got into visa problems so I wasn't all that surprised. Passports are a joke and always will be.

  17. Perhaps it's time for a new approach... by telbij · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When will the government learn that forward thinking foreign policy is an infinitely more efficient means of increasing security than technological card-house building.
    As much as I like the idea of more government tech jobs, I can't help but worry about our national security in the era of us-vs-them foreign policy.

  18. Re:9/11 is just an excuse by Nazmun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The point is that this wouldn't help because ALL the hijackers came here LEGALLY! The hijackers didn't try to use fake passports or anything like that. Also almost all the hijackers (if not all) were relatively unknown to us until they did their crime.

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  19. False Security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For me, the issue isn't that this invades privacy (although it's not unprecendented for governments to sell personal information from their databases when they run low on cash). The problem is that this is a whole lot of effort to go through to fix a security problem that doesn't exist. So you don't have 100% biometric proof that so-and-so is the REAL so-and-so. Guess what? Even with this biometric information, you're STILL not 100% sure, just a lot surer. And what exactly does this information get you, security-wise? Well, you know that Mr. Psycho Bomber is the REAL Mr. Psycho Bomber, and you happily let him pass because he couldn't be up to no good if he's not concealing his identity.

    Shit. We'd be more secure if we had a policy of only allowing women on planes, because there's actual statistical evidence to show they're less likely to cause problems. Sure it'd upset some people, but is it really better to implement a policy that doesn't even fix anything?

    1. Re:False Security by enjo13 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What this fixes is the problem of HUMAN recognition of other humans.. which is remarkably bad. How many 16 year old kids borrow an older kids ID to sneak into a club or by liquor (hell I've done it). These are two different people, yet 90% of the time it works without a hitch.

      When your in customs, and you have thousands and thousands of people coming into the country.. the margin for error just goes up and up. Screw 9/11, this is just a good idea. It's nothing that we don't have already.. it's just a more efficient and more accurate system that better ensures the person who has the passport matches up with the person that passport was assigned to.

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    2. Re:False Security by Alien+Being · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You're so right.

      "Mr. Psycho Bomber"

      Or in the context of 9/11 (which is obviously the impetus for this change), "guy who can fell tall building with a single boxcutter". What high tech measures could have been used to prevent those attacks? Oh, I dunno...maybe CLOSING THE COCKPIT DOOR!

      I think the security experts need to learn the 80/20 rule.

  20. It's you! by verloren · · Score: 4, Funny

    So now the immigration officials can state with absolute authority:

    "It's definitely you. I don't know who you are, or why you're here, but you're definitely you."

    Great.

    Cheers, Paul

  21. Digital passports are less secure by 4/3PI*R^3 · · Score: 3, Informative
    At least the printed passports required some special skills and some artistic ability to counterfeit. The idea that "because it's digital it's better" is falacious.

    I love the quote "you can read a chip and confirm its validity, but you cannot create one. That is the beauty of public key technology," from the Deputy Assistant Secretary for Passport Services. So they will digitally sign the data, how long will it take for some entity to crack the key and then they can sign the new passport. Once the key is cracked will the US government revoke all passports signed with that key?

    I can imagine the h@x0r application W1NPa55P0r7 -- with a USB camera and a simple EEPROM burner you can make your own passport.

    Since all the verification information is digital how will a simple security guard check to make sure you didn't just create a simple passport mimic circuit? At least with a physical passport a forgery requires printing equipment and skills that can't be purchased for under $20.00 at BestBuy.

    The trouble with most of these types of security measures is they offer no real security above what we already have.

    One basic concept of security is you never trust the client -- verify everything! All these security measures have all the data stored on the client! To make this more secure, each passport should contain a unique id and each passport check point should be networked to a central database. The passport reviewer would then see the picture stored on the passport, the picture stored in the central database, and the face of the person standing in front of him. If there are any discrepancies simply punch his ticket for Camp X-Ray.

  22. Improved security with little additional risk by Phil+Wherry · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It will be interesting to see how the public reacts to this. Done correctly, it will increase the security of the passport without really compromising privacy. If the format of the data on the smart card is completely documented, it will be easy to verify that the only information is being stored appears in printed form on the passport itself. Since all of the information in printed form is being stored someplace now, it's hard to argue that a smart-card version of this information disadvantages the traveler somehow.

    The presence of the digital signature, however, provides MUCH stronger assurances that these identity credentials aren't forged; this seems to me to be a very good thing indeed.

  23. Re:Well its about friggin time by Tackhead · · Score: 3, Interesting
    > As the original contractor/code-monkey on the INSPASS project,

    Automatic (+1, You Poor Bastard, how did you escape with your mind intact?)

    > I'm amazed it only took 10 years to cut through enough of the beaurocratic B.S.

    ObPeeve: "Bureaucratic".

    But apart from that. Damn. At least INS and Customs have been integrated under the same department. That's a start, but it's only a start. The acid test for BICE will be whether or not they can integrate their back-end infrastructure to avoid the problems you outline.

    > Of course, precision of card printing being what it is, the photo would often obscure or otherwise make the data in the other formats unreadable.

    I'd like to think that today's printers and scanners have gotten good enough that one could steganographically embed biometric data in the photograph. Joe BICEpack at the immigration desk couldn't verify its presence/veracity by eye, but he could sure as heck stick it under a scanner at the port of entry and see if his terminal pops up a warning, like "Picture biometric does not match passport printed data. Picture appears to match Mr. Foo Bar, SSN/ITIN AAA-BB-CC, A#123456789, Mr. Foo Bar is/isn't on watch lists X, Y, and Z. Mr. Foo Bar has/hasn't a track record of customs violations, etc. etc. etc."

    The one reservation I'd have about such an approach would be what happens if the scanner at the airport or border crossing gets coated with crud/residue after having processed thousands of passports a week. Perhaps a periodic recalibration with a "test card" (designed to be almost unreadable, worse than the average passport) after a spray on the scanner window with Windex or something could be part of the officer's morning routine. Get in, wipe window with rub, insert test card, re-wipe until test card says "OK", then open wicket for business with real passports.

    Fer the record, I hereby place that idea in the public domain. Anyone in .gov who wants to take credit for it is welcome to do so, especially if they can get it - or anything more secure - implemented in less than 10 years.

    To the privacy crowd: Privacy's good stuff. But the purpose of a passport is to provide proof of identity and citizenship. Unless you simultaneously advocate anonymous cross-border travel, policies which secure passports from exploits are perfectly compatible with privacy rights as they exist in law today, and as they existed in law before 9/11.

  24. Obvious by supabeast! · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "How they tie this to '9/11 fears' is curious considering the hijackers had valid paperwork."

    The 9/11 hijackers had valid paperwork because various government agencies were not doing their jobs. These agencies are now under intense scruitiny, and are trying to do a better job to prevent potential terrorists from entering the country again. Smart chip passports will be much harder and more expensive to forge, making it harder for terrorists to travel using false identities. Overall, it's a small, important step in a larger program to keep the USA safe.

  25. Re:Big deal? Maybe...but not necessarily for worse by davebooth · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This honestly doesn't seem like such a big deal to me. Consider that this changes very little...
    ... seems to eliminate a less sophisticated avenue of fraud...

    This sort of matches my viewpoint too. I mean, as a Brit living in the USA I already have an ID card with multiple features to make it hard to fake and biometric data (photo and fingerprint) - its called a "green card" although only the lettering on the back is green anymore. Wouldnt surprise me in the slightest to discover that theres all sorts of data encoded on it in machine-readable form from my visa application through to the final interview when they authorised giving me the card in the first place. I havent looked into it in any detail because I dont give a rats ass. They have the data anyway and the rules that govern its use dont change just because they stick it on a card. The harder it is for some jerk with a semtex fetish to fake one of these and maybe pretend to be me the happier I'll be. Personally I'd rather not get a vacation in Cuba thanks to identity theft....

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  26. The Terrorist Bit by Myriad · · Score: 4, Funny
    The chip will contain a compressed full-face image for use as a biometric. European biometric passports, by contrast, are planned to feature both retinal and fingerprint recognition biometrics on their smart cards.

    What the article fails to mention is the most important aspect of the new design: the Terrorist Bit.

    As the above biometrics only help to ascertain that you are you, it was felt an added feature to easily separate the terrorists from the regular population was necessary.

    As such on the application form for your new passport will be a Terrorist checkbox. When the application is processed the Terrorist Bit is set accordingly.

    The bit may also be set at anytime by authorized representatives of the US Gov't such as the RIAA, and MPAA. In addition undercover officers looking for any Anti-American expressions or beliefs - including privacy advocates, anti-war activists, free software advocates, alternative energy supporters, and anyone generally disagreeing with the supreme-leader-of-free-nations, George W Bush.

    To ensure your security is of the highest order, each passport will include a unique license, the continuation of which requires an annual subscription fee. This license guarentees that no illegal copies of your passport can be made, its likeness replicated, or your identity compromised. The exact nature of the security measures taken are restricted for National Security reasons.

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  27. Re:Big deal? Maybe...but not necessarily for worse by antiMStroll · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Consider that this changes very little:..

    And further considering that your country has made hundreds of these little, and some not-so little, changes over the past twenty years (remember the War on Drugs and Patriot Act?) there's little worry that you'll ever lose basic rights and freedoms. After all, hundreds of these little steps never add up large steps, right?

  28. Right to anonymous demonstration?! No such thing by Toby+Studabaker · · Score: 3, Insightful
    whatever thrown out after that anti-IMF rally

    Please tell me where does it say that you have the right (not just privilege) to demonstrate anonymously?

    This question has stumped several activists already.

  29. Re:Right to anonymous demonstration?! No such thin by Catbeller · · Score: 3, Informative

    And please tell me where it says I don't have a right to demonstrate anonymously?

    The very concept of free speech revolves around anonymity. Pamphleting was upheld by the Supreme court to be a necessarily anonymous activity, for the pamphleteer could be subject to persecution (think Tom Paine).

    There won't be any protests if the protesters know that a mad administration is cataloging their names. And that's the whole idea of cataloging the protestors... isn't it? To get them off the streets, and shut them up.

    This administration already has come up with the idea of a "first amendment zone". You see, if the Appointed President is scheduled to show up in public, the Secret Service calls the local law. The local law will set up a pen, usuallly a mile or more away from the AP's speech location, in which all protestors are required to stay.

    Needless to say, Republicans are bussed in from the burbs if necessary to swell the AP's crowd numbers. And no protestors are in evidence.

    Back in the Pen, or First Amendment Zone, the cops and the Secret Service set up cameras on tripods and recording equipment galore, all pointedly pointing at the traitorous ones.

    Imagine if Clinton had penned up and cataloged the Monicaites. I can't imagine it, 'cause the local law and the SS would never have done it. But for a 'publican? No problemo!

    In such a situation, privacy is obviously being removed in order to intimidate any future protestors from ever trying to protest Bush ever again.

    After all, imagine what could be done with that info the SS are gathering. Employers could be called, a goodly majority of which are hard-right 'publicans. A large number of people in the U.S. have been fired already because they disagreed with Bush in public. That info is obviously going into an "enemies of conservatives" file somewhere, as well. Who has this info? WHY do they have it, and who the hell told them they could pen up people and catalog their identities?

    Where the hell are the reporters? No one seems to care.

    This is why the Ninth Amendment regarding unlisted rights not specifically enumerated exists: the right to privacy does indeed exist, altho not listed specifically. The government is not only bound by rights enumerated, but implied.

    If this does not seem to go over well with the radical right, then we do need to enumerate our rights with new laws. The pity is, those laws can be rescinded, whereas the Constitution cannot be, easily anyway.

  30. Re:Right to anonymous demonstration?! No such thin by orthogonal · · Score: 4, Informative
    Please tell me where does it say that you have the right (not just privilege) to demonstrate anonymously?

    The United States Supreme Court said it in:
    • BUCKLEY, SECRETARY OF STATE OF COLORADO v. AMERICAN CONSTITUTIONAL LAW
      FOUNDATION, INC., et al. No. 97-930
    • McINTYRE, executor of ESTATE OF McINTYRE,
      DECEASED v. OHIO ELECTIONS COMMISSION No. 93-986
    • TALLEY v. CALIFORNIA, 362 U.S. 60


  31. Re:Right to anonymous demonstration?! No such thin by Catbeller · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Once again, the Ninth Amendment of the Constitution:

    http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/am endment09/

    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

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    Rights Retained by the People

    Aside from contending that a bill of rights was unnecessary, the Federalists responded to those opposing ratification of the Constitution because of the lack of a declaration of fundamental rights by arguing that inasmuch as it would be impossible to list all rights it would be dangerous to list some because there would be those who would seize on the absence of the omitted rights to assert that government was unrestrained as to those. 1 Madison adverted to this argument in presenting his proposed amendments to the House of Representatives. ''It has been objected also against a bill of rights, that, by enumerating particular exceptions to the grant of power, it would disparage those rights which were not placed in that enumeration; and it might follow by implication, that those rights which were not singled out, were intended to be assigned into the hands of the General Government, and were consequently insecure. This is one of the most plausible arguments I have ever heard against the admission of a bill of rights into this system; but, I conceive, that it may be guarded against. I have attempted it, as gentlemen may see by turning to the last clause of the fourth resolution.'' 2 It is clear from its text and from Madison's statement that the Amendment states but a rule of construction, making clear that a Bill of Rights might not by implication be taken to increase the powers of the national government in areas not enumerated, and that it does not contain within itself any guarantee of a right or a proscription of an infringement. 3 Recently, however, the Amendment has been construed to be positive affirmation of the existence of rights which are not enumerated but which are nonetheless protected by other provisions.

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    In other words, in order to protect the First Amendment rights of an individual, a right to privacy must be construed, else, as my "First Amendment Zone" abuse citation illustrates, there is no First Amendment right to free speech, if the speaker knows that his identity is being serriptitiously deduced and cataloged by opponents in the government, presumably to harrass or destroy the speaker.

    The Ninth implies rights necessary to enable the enumerated rights. It denies the goverment the ability to increase its powers in the areas not enumerated, if those new powers exist soley to disable enumerated rights.

  32. Plausable denyability by lorcha · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The reason the buying alcohol with a fake trick works is that if you show reasonably-close ID, then the clerk is no longer at fault if you're underage. Consider the difference between these two situations:

    Officer: You just sold alcohol to a 16-year old. Did you card him?
    You: No
    Officer: You're in trouble, then.

    vs.

    Officer: You just sold alcohol to a 16-year old. Did you card him?
    You: Yes, and the picture looked like him.
    Officer: Well, it turns out it was his older brother. Try to be more careful next time.

    At that point, it's the 16-year-old's fault for posessing a fake id and using it to misrepresent himself. Both are crimes in the US.

    Also, it's in the store's best interest to sell to as many people as they can. After all, they're in the biz to make money. Not to enforce our puritanical drinking laws.

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