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Russian Minister Gets Spammed, Spams Back
elhim writes "According to an article in the Moscow Times: 'Spammers last week got on the wrong side of the wrong man, and quickly found themselves with a taste of their own medicine. The man? Deputy Communications Minister Andrei Korotkov. Tired of the endless spate of unsolicited messages that clog e-mail systems everywhere, [Korotkov and others devised] ...an audio message to be volleyed nonstop to the telephone numbers listed in the... [email] spam messages.' Sometimes Russia reminds me of the Wild West."
Oh well I did the same multiple times.. Spamming back is a viable alternative to getting angry I think.. Plus it hits the spammers where it hurts them most...
I've always thought everything was bogus.
I'll order the penis enlargement pills right away.
--dpr
--larsw
First of all. A spam message with real, working means of contacting the sender? Why din't I ever get that? Only in Russia, I say.
And second, that guy is hereby my god.
...um...like...a sig...
BTW, Russia had its wild east. While we had our mountain man era, the Russian had theirs, except they were going in the other direction. The parellels continue untill the turn of the century!
Otherwise it would be totally useless right?
Sure the from address is generally bogus, to skip past the basic anti spam methods out there, but something in the email must contain a valid phone number, web site, or address, otherwise how would the spammers make any money (and I suppose they must as they don't do it just to piss everyone off)
OK, I will
Phone rings: "Let this be a warning to you: in Soviet Russia, spam *recipient* drives you crazy"
Hang up
Phone rings...
Oh, and in Soviet Russia, the punchline inserts you. Sorry, but it had to be said.
proof, n. A demonstration that a conclusion is implied by certain premises and axioms.
"With the brainstorming help of the Group Against Harmful Programs...".
The Group Against Harmful Programs. Wonderful. Sort of like the Fantastic Four, or the X-Men. Sounds like the sort of thing Tron would belong to. "That's Tron, he fights for the users under the banner of the Group Against Harmful Programs"...
Cheers,
Ian
Please let me be the first one to have said that ...
It really is too bad that there continues to be no legal recourse to fight spam though. An arms race of annoyance between spammers and spam-ees probably wouldn't be the best solution though, but something does have to be done eventually. It would be nice to go back to having one e-mail address instead of various "spam" addresses and then my personal e-mail... which of course still gets spam.
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Wasn't there an article some months ago about something simimlar happenning in china? 'Entrepreneurs' would illegally put up advertisements (i.e. posters) all over the place where you have to phone a number to get the product. (Typically these would be mobile phone numbers that were prepaid so there was no name on the account.)
The law enformenet officials would leave an endless loop of messages on tht moble's answering machine that they must turn themselves in and such. I doubt that they actually expected anyone to turn themselves in, but it made all those posters with the number on them useless and thus discouraged putting them up in the first place.
I wonder if this russian fellow was inspired by that action.
From the article:
Spammers have ways to get around anti-spam filters, he said, but it's possible to collect patterns from their e-mails and block certain logarithms.
What's the point? They will use polynoms! Oh.. I guess they meant algorithms.
I'll do it for cheesy poofs.
At one time I had a small software company. We outsourced all the phone and fax messages since we didn't have people to work 24/7/365.
One of the things I learned is an incoming toll-free fax cost me a lot more than a voice call because a single page fax was completed very quickly and the charge was per call/per page.
So...if you're getting hit with crap like junk faxes, fax it back to them on their toll-free fax number about 30 times.
It took about a month of this but I don't get lots of junk fax anymore, except for the a**holes that block caller ID and don't list a number to get off their list.
Another fun trick was to use a standard fax machine with a continuous loop of paper. Let that baby run for about 10-15 minutes and you'll create a lot of clutter on the receiver's end.
If there ever was a group of people that should be sent to the Gulag, it's spammers.
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Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
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I didn't worry about the cost of the calls, because the people in Uzbekistan soon figured out that the calls were almost all faxes. I reckoned that even if they picked the phone up 10 times a day (to check to see if I'd stopped), it was worth the cost. Calls are only charged when they pick up the phone, right? So I let this go on for over a month.
Then I got my telephone bill. It was in the thousands. It turns out that there are three countries in the world where, if you phone there, you get charged even if no one answers the phone. And Uzbekistan is one of those countries!
I didn't know about that, and I complained to the phone company about the bill. But my case seemed weak because I was, it's fair to say, abusing the phone system. The phone company ended up splitting the bill in half, and I paid the rest.
I don't know if my attempts had any long-term effect on those nice folks in Uzbekistan. But at least I tried.
Two days ago I got a spam from a local (London, UK) company trying to get me to go to their event. It had a 378Kb attachment to it. Thanks.
The kicker was that the disclaimer said it was impossible to unsubscribe, as it was a carefully crafted one-time mailing list. I imagine i'll be on all future carefully crafted one-time mailing lists for them in the future too.
The email was sent with a from line of "[something]@noreply.com" or similar (which breaches their ISPs AUP), and if I was to contact them via their email address listed on their website, by their logic i'd have contacted them, thus allowing them to continue to spam me (since we'd then have an existing relationship).
So - best course of action? The Advertising Standards Authority, whose standards they ahve breached, seems to be a toothless tiger set up by the industry to pay lip-service to the general public (any ruling against an advertiser seems to result in a ruling of "we advised them to contact us in future before undertaking a similar campaign"). I'm not aware of any specific legislation to stop this (although i'd like to know where they got my email address from. Should I unleash the Data Protection Act?).
So, what's the best way to hit back? Complain to the ISP? File an ultimatetly useless complaint to the ASA? What?
for they find annoying people & problems crunchy and rather tasty.
In Soviet Russia, spam spams you back!
a minister who reads his email. If more politicians read their own email (and not a hapless assistant) the problem of spam would be evident to them and antispam legislation would be nearer.
And yes, I know legislation is not the sole solution, but legislation plus technical solutions is the best bet in my opinion.
Very disappointing really. I was
- praying for "shock and awe".
- hoping for bunker busters.
- expecting at least a few tanks.
- prepared to be slightly dissapointed by a few snipers.
But phone messages? Sheesh. Russia just isn't what it used to be.
This post is free (as in cheese in a mousetrap).
In Soviet Russia, the dead horse beats you.
Just shut the fuck up, already. It wasn't funny six months ago, it's not funny now.
If you were blocking sigs, you wouldn't have to read this.
we already ate the horse - and we don't HAVE bats, you insensitive clod!
...remember that there are some (lots of) spams out there that make money on the price-per-minute of the phone line you're trying to flood!
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Very arrogant putting Russia among the communistic dictator countries it is a democratic country with free elections just as US.
Very arrogant to put the US among democratic and free countries such as Russia.
I recently got on the mailing list of a surf company in Sydney, I've no idea how since I'm in Perth and can't surf (Ex-pom).
I started receiving almost weekly newsletters and updates and, despite numerous phone calls and e-mails with the usual promises to comply, I just couldn't get off the list... then they sent the 2.5 Mb Word document, you know the type!
I e-mailed back and told them that they'd filled up my e-mail account and caused me to miss some important e-mails, plus cost me time and money due to the download costs. I advised them that, as they were now affecting my business, I'd be invoicing them $25+GST administration fee for each and every e-mail I received from then on and that if they didn't pay, I'd hand the account to a debt collection agency - one that takes a cut of the recovery value.
I cautioned them that it would not concern me if I received nothing from the agency but that such action could affect their credit rating. What a surprise(!), I've received nothing since.
If you can justify charging a fee to the spammer for administration or storage or anything like that, sufficient to stand up reasonably in a small claims court, then you should threaten to invoice the spammer and use a debt collection agency - it just might work for you too.
Go permanent? In your dreams and my worst nightmares.
This is the avenue we should be pursuing when trying to stop spam. Instead of trying to stop the spammers themselves, go after the source (advertiser) instead. If enough advertisers are convinced/shamed/etc that spamming is a bad thing, they will go elsewhere to get their message out, and the spammers will magically disappear.
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...cut to spammers setting up premium rate numbers to put in their SPAM messages in the hope that people will spam them back by calling them all the time.
Was there a lot of spam in the wild west?
How about an open source software project that creates a piece of software that attacks spammers using a SETI-style approach. Using spare bandwidth and CPU time, the software would repeatedly send requests to the links found in spam.
Repeatedly loading the homepage of some spam-spawning viagra sales site would hurt the viagra sales company. Companies that advertize with spam would find their bandwidth charges skyrocketing and their conversion rates plummetting. The key is to create disincentives for the e-commerce sites that try to flog their products and services using spam. While spammers can be anonymous, the e-commerce sites that use spam to get eyeballs need more permanence. Eventually, these companies would even penalize the 3rd-party spam sending companies for using email lists that generate too many spurious requests or that have low conversion rates (the spammer's pay drops if they send emails that lead to long streams of spurious requests).
Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do.
It's crazy how many spam websites are running on IIS with .asp scripts (or even better: .aspx!) as a
frontend, and Microsoft Sequel Server as a backend .
Just type a spare single quote into the "remove me from your list" box, and watch as parts of the SQL query are displayed. Experiment a bit, and transform this into a query that clears the entire subscribers list, or that changes their spam messages to something funny, or that keeps the subscriber list but replaces all e-mail addresses by their own whois contact (or better: their upstream provider's whois..), etc.
For starters, the following string often removes the entire list when entered into the remove me box:
(that's two single quotes between the or and the = sign).
If the site has an "affiliate program" (look around a bit...), the same string entered as a user name into the affiliate programme's login box might let you in, with a little bit of luck. If not, try the following instead (again, there are only single quotes in the string, no double quotes):
If it still doesn't help, try to repeat the same string in the password box.
If still not ok, you may need to use a union statement:
Start with one null, and keep adding more until the "parameter number mismatch" error disappears. Patience may be needed, certain login scripts require more than 40 nulls! Then start replacing the nulls with your desired password string, and attempt to find a combination which doesn't give you a type mismatch error.Example:
Then enter zozo into the password box. With a little bit of luck, this method may let you in.
Once you're in, you've access to the affiliate's (i.e., the spammer's) account:
- home address: always nice for a baseball bat expedition, or to pull an Alan Ralsky on the spammer.
- phone number: on your way to work, give your friend a call! One from each phone booth that you encounter! Write the number on bathroom stalls! Post it to slashdot!
- bank account number: well, just change it to your own!
- website URL: change it to you know what
- social security number: post it to as much places as you can
- ...
The benefit of such actions is twofold: not only does it teach the spammer not to spam, but it also tells him that Windows (and especially aspx + Sequel Sewer) is not a very secure technology.Have fun!
Wondering what would happen if you spammed this Russian politician and placed the number for the White House or some other important number in the body of the spam. I bet George W. would like it if the Russians were spamming his office. :)
Those who trade freedom for security will lose both, and deserve neither" -- Ben Franklin
For that, they don't need a contact method.
One line blog. I hear that they're called Twitters now.
The turn of the century SUCKED.
It marked the death of the frontier. (I know, blah blah Indians were there first, but the population density was never that great and there were always massive sections of uninhabited land). The remaining frontiers are largely closed to the ordinary man, and are unlikely to ever be truly opened again to the point where you can just go somewhere, stake off a chunk of land, and just LIVE there, and have it be LEGAL.
I know, I know. Progress. We live 1.6 times as long, that's a good thing. Diseases can be treated better.
But, still . . . the death of the frontier marked the inability for a man to be physically independent. Now our lives are played out within the boundaries of 'The System', while our freedom must exist only in our minds.
cue matrix analogies.
To date, my stats indicate that 98.3% of the spam I get originates from the US.
1. Set up 1-900 number.
2. Spam Russian minister.
3. Profit.
Ha!
Mmmm.. Donuts
1) Change your phone number to a 976 number, where the caller is automatically charged $49.95 just for connecting.
2) Spam the Russian Deputy Communications Minister.
3) Allow the Russian Deputy Communications Minister to tie up your phones for several days.
4) Profit!!!
P.S. In Russia, spam profits YOU!
This may sound cool and exotic, but it's actually pretty sad... Westerns are only fun to watch, they are not fun to live in. Especially when the robber gangs grow to the size of entire cities.
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"Spammers have ways to get around anti-spam filters, he said, but it's possible to collect patterns from their e-mails and block certain logarithms."
Yes, how dare those spammers try to calculate the correct power of a number. I'm surprised that so many spammers use the same kind of mathematical equation in their e-mail....
I've always filled in my address as root@127.0.0.1
Damn people using Microsoft
The fun part is that while spam is technically legal in Russia, flooding somebody's phone number isn't, and is classified as a minor criminal offense.
.RU net and completely deserves such treatment. Their spam volleys are regular, annoying, and use all sorts of clever tricks to circumvent spam filters. By contrast, a lot of russian-originated spam (at least spam that I receive) is very business-oriented and largely contains honest-to-God offers to sell you tires, or electric cable or some other commodity, or seminar invitations; stuff you wouldn't show to your kids is extremely uncommon.
On the other hand, the American Language Center is THE evil spammer of the
In fact, more than once incoming spam had left me thinking that had I been involved in commerce, I'd probably even react to those offers.
Also once ordered toner cartriges. Got a shipment worth $400 or so sent out to a university (and told them to bill us for it).
The trick to dealing with spammers is that everyone has to respond to the ads. If everyone responds, they'll never be able to filter the legitimate responses from those of us who are making up fake info because we're pissed.