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Nat Demos Dashboard

pheared writes "Nat Friedman from Ximian gave a fairly in depth, quite hilarious (got embarrassing screensaver?), and somewhat impromptu, talk about his project "Dashboard" at OLS. From his blog: "The dashboard is a piece of software which performs a continous, automatic search of your personal information space to show you things in your life that are related to whatever you happen to be doing with your computer at the time." Neat stuff, but I don't think I will be warming up to Mono and C# any time soon."

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  1. emacs: been there done that by 10am-bedtime · · Score: 4, Informative

    once again, lame technologies seek to imitate what the One True Editor has been able to do for years.

    next!

  2. haystack by hey · · Score: 4, Informative

    Reminds me of haystack which was dismissed as been-there-seen-that when it was discussed here. I think there might be a place for these things -- but where?

  3. Screenshots by Sibeling · · Score: 5, Informative

    Besides one screenshot in the link, which is going slow..

    Here's one using sniffed rss traffic

    and here's one with geo traffic.. (cool) There's a bit more info here

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  4. He is reimplementing the Remembrance Agent ! by BigJim.fr · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Remembrance Agent is an Emacs add-in that does mostly what Nat's tools seems to be supposed to do : "The Remembrance Agent (RA) is a program which augments human memory by displaying a list of documents which might be relevant to the user's current context. Unlike most information retrieval systems, the RA runs continuously without user intervention. Its unobtrusive interface allows a user to pursue or ignore the RA's suggestions as desired". Nice concept, but since the original is mostly tied to Emacs, a modern implementation would sure be quite welcome.

  5. Re: (OT) Luddites by perly-king-69 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Luddites weren't against new technology, per se. The destruction of machinery was one of their sole means of making a stand against poor working conditions, since trade unions were illegal.
    The Tolpuddle martyrs were 'transported' to Australia because they swore an oath to someone other than the King of England, namely their union, which was illegal at the time.

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  6. Show me the money by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 2, Informative

    Where is this acknowledgement if IPR infringement? The patents essential to implementing C# and the CLI are available on a "royalty-free and otherwise RAND" basis so the core, and most important part of Mono is safe.

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  7. Re:Nice to see the sideswipe at .NET (not) by grennis · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, judging from your comment I would say you don't know much about .NET at all.

    To me the biggest advantage that ASP.NET provides is complete seperation of code and HTML - I cringe whenever I see them intermingled now (read: PHP or classic ASP). .NET also provides xcopy style deployment (no registry, no components) and side-by-side versioning. Also, you can upgrade an app by copying in new DLLs - while it is running. This is CRITICAL for server deployment. Oh yeah, .NET also lets you mix languages. You can step from VB to J# to C# in your debugger.

    I could go on, and on, and on... but why? You have already made up your mind...

  8. Re:Unnecessary commentary? by miguel · · Score: 4, Informative

    No, I didnt.

    Miguel.

  9. Enfish Onespace by vivarin · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...was commercial software from at least 3 years ago that attempted to be exactly what 'dashboard' is supposed to be.

    It was... intensely useful to some people. You can still download it from enfish.com if you're on Windows.

  10. Re:Unnecessary commentary? by theLOUDroom · · Score: 2, Informative

    Parent was not a troll. Follow the link.

    These are very serious issues, and legitimate questions. Questions I have yet to see seriously answered.

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  11. Re:Unnecessary commentary? by alext · · Score: 3, Informative

    Friedman is a well-known Mono propagandist, as has been covered in /. before (based on this article).

    The rest of the comments above appear to follow the "let's play dumb" ploy that's been a distinctive feature of the Mono program from the outset. Three years after starting, there are still no concrete objectives listed on the project site. Can I really port my Dotnet application to Linux? Gee, that's a tough one - we'll get back to you...

    The Mono vs. Java comparisons in particular are almost desperate in their attempt to mislead. All these statements have been refuted numerous times before on /., but it's clear that we're not dealing with people that can respond intelligently to objections, instead we're in the "Mono groundhog day" zone. Here, proponents are obliged to constantly restate discredited arguments in the hope that there are at least some new readers out there who are naive enough to be drawn in to their cloner "community".

    FACT: Java has 3 million developers now, and is continuing to grow rapidly, both on the server side and now on the client side. (Millons of phones now support a JVM compared to... well, are there any Dotnet phones?)

    FACT: Most of Dotnet is patented and not standardized. Anyone still resorting to the assertion that Dotnet is open because the C Sharp language is standardized is either hopelessly out of touch or being deliberately deceptive.

    FACT: All of the Java platform is available on a free license for open-source developments, including the test suites. This is what the Kaffe people use. Nothing comparable exists for Dotnet whatsoever.

    FACT: Java development happens under the JCP, an open process with a number of big players involved, not just one company.

    The bottom line is that Java is, and has been for some time, a far better platform for Linux development than Mono. There are three very high quality commercial VMs freely available (from BEA, Sun and IBM) and dozens more for specialist platforms, plus of course an open-source implementation.

    For some of us, hearing the latest Mono annoucement about how it's bringing some great new feature to Linux just a cause for amusement, since typically that feature has been available with Java for years. (One example comes from Friedman again, who mentioned the exciting possibility of Javascript on Mono "soon". Needless to say, Rhino, Javascript on the JVM project, has been around for some time (5 years to be precise)..

    Others, apparently, are taken in by this nonsense and genuinely believe that they are adding features and helping open source by extending the reach of the Microsoft environment. It's time people woke up and realized that they are doing OS no favors, in fact, are likely to do it positive harm, to say nothing of the risk to their employers and associates.

  12. Re:Unnecessary commentary? by steveha · · Score: 2, Informative

    FACT: All of the Java platform is available on a free license for open-source developments, including the test suites. This is what the Kaffe people use. Nothing comparable exists for Dotnet whatsoever.

    I wish things were as rosy as you make them sound. Kaffe is stuck in Java 1.x compatibility, because Sun Microsystems is keeping the Java 2.x specifications unfree. See section 2.3.1.5 , "Why is (some) free software not implementing Java2?", of the Debian Java FAQ.

    steveha

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  13. can anyone access this ? by Meeble · · Score: 2, Informative

    it looks like the entire domain is being redirected back to ./

    I was really interested in seeing this in action. Is there a mirror up somewhere?

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  14. Similarity to Microsoft Product? by SlipJig · · Score: 2, Informative

    I couldn't get to the article, so.... I was wondering how similar this is to something Microsoft pushed out a couple of years ago: Digital Dashboards. Basically, the digital dashboard stuff is an engine that used XML definitions of "web parts" that describe what the content is, where it is, how to render it, etc. The idea was that the dashboard showed you an integrated view of data from various sources on a single page. Users could even drag-and-drop web parts around to configure their customized dashboards.

    The only problem was, it was built on top of Active Server Pages using VBScript plus a couple of COM components for the XML processing and client-side event handling. In my experience, it was slow and difficult to program for. Sharepoint Portal Server still uses it I think, but other than that it seems to be pretty much defunct now - Microsoft has even removed most references to it from their site.

    Now, if they whipped up a version built on .NET, I might reconsider it. Cool idea nonetheless.

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  15. Another commercial sw: LumaPath by fugusama · · Score: 2, Informative

    Small start-up I worked for that is now gone (sorry, no links) that gave you a contextual map of data in your enterprise (both structured and unstructured) and the reacted to whatever you were working on. If you got an email that contained a customer company and name and mentioned other topics, the LensBar woudl react and let you know you had content of revelance in various back end sources. You could also drill down back into the backend system and go straight to relevant content. Neat software but not enough runway. The software did not focus on your personal information space but rather the enterprise information space you had access to.