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No KOTOR For PS2, Darth Vader Playable?

Posted by simoniker on from the deep-and-heavy-breathing dept.

Thanks to IGN PS2 for their second Playstation 2 rumor round-up, including plenty of questionable whisperings (GTA4 is referenced as possibly being called 'Sin City', though this was a notable April Fool's gag), but at least one official confirmation, from Lucasarts, following some online confusion, that "There are no plans for to develop Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic for the PS2. We are concentrating fully on the development of the PC version of the game." The rest of the rumor-mongering has at least one intriguing tip, the claim that LucasArts are developing "a third-person perspective action-adventure game [which] enables players to take on the role of Darth Vader."

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  1. Shame by sirmikester · · Score: 1

    "There are no plans for to develop Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic for the PS2.

    ... so no gamecube version either... shame, it could have been fun to play.

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    1. Re:Shame by jokell82 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I would've bought it for PS2. Instead I'll probably just download it for PC...

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    2. Re:Shame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It still IS fun to play. I fail to see how a game isn't fun just because it isn't on someone's favorite console.

    3. Re:Shame by unclethursday · · Score: 1
      I would say it is most likely because the poster in question does not own an Xbox or a powerful enough PC to play the game.

      Therefore, the game would have been fun for him/her, if he/she had the ability to try it.

    4. Re:Shame by Mike+Hawk · · Score: 1

      Ah, so you are clarifying on behalf of the original poster since people that only own a Gamecube are incapable of telling the difference between could, indicating a power, ability or skill, and would, used in the main clause of a conditional statement to express a possibility.

      Take these sentences for example: I would like brag that I have played KOTOR since I have all three consoles. I bought them all because I have a job and could afford it.

      Or: I think I would like some people more if they could stop the whining and the stupid console bickering and buy the necessary hardware so they could play all the games they want.

      The original should have read: I wish I could play this game. This user can vouch that the game IS incredible.

    5. Re:Shame by dakryx · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So let me get this straight, you were willing to buy it for ps2, but for PC you would d pirate it? Does that make sense to anyone else?

    6. Re:Shame by sirmikester · · Score: 1

      To clarify... I own a gamecube and I would like the game to run on that platform. PC is no good because there definately won't be a linux port and since that is my OS I'd have no way to play it. So therefore I wish that I could play the game, but I make no statement as to how good it is or isnot.

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    7. Re:Shame by pogle · · Score: 1

      Makes sense to me. PC versions of console games always seem to be...lousy. I would certainly try a dloaded copy out for playability before spending $50 for the PC version. However, I have more faith in console versions being easily playable. Not to mention they're easier to sell off if I don't like it.

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    8. Re:Shame by Godeke · · Score: 1

      Yeah, he can't solder.

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  2. Am I the only one? by magsymp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Who thinks that basically all the Star Wars Games/Movies are on the downfall? I mean I tried this game at a friends house and it's not amazing. Grated I think it's better than alot of the junk I have tried on the X-Box but according the me, the last good game/movie involved with the Star Wars franchise was Tie Fighter, which was what? 1996? *drool*... God I loved that game. The feeling of being so puny when you used the regular Tie... and then the power of the Tie Advanced. I think I just soiled myself... oops Anyhoo... whatever.

    1. Re:Am I the only one? by superultra · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You probably haven't played KOTOR enough then. I played X-Wing and Tie Fighter and, yes, Rebel Assault back in the day and KOTOR is right up there with them in terms of recreating the Star Wars experience. You're also neglecting to mention Raven's Jedi Knight work. It's not groundbreaking but is definitely solid as far as FPS's go. And Level 5's work on Rogue Squadron/leader far outshines the Force Commanders of the Star Wars bunch. The Lucasarts Indiana Jones adventure games I played as a kid were so amazing that I wanted so badly for them to do the same with Star Wars. KOTOR is right up there with those. It makes you feel like you really *are* Han Solo, or Luke Skywalker, or even Darth Vader. It takes some time to get into it, maybe a good hour or two, but KOTOR is easily one of the best Star Wars games ever crafted.

    2. Re:Am I the only one? by mrpuffypants · · Score: 1

      KOTOR is pretty amazing. I've never played "RPG" games before and at first the turn-based idea of "rolling" to determine attacks and stuff was a bit odd, but about 1/3 through the game I was kicking ass AND taking names.

      KOTOR is, like many reviewers have said, is probably the best use of the Star Wars license in the last 5 years (Phantom Menace and ATOC included)

      If you want a really good and bbelievable impression of the game check out Penny Arcade. Tycho and Gabe really like it, and that means a lot in my book.

    3. Re:Am I the only one? by Sentry21 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Pff, I've spent the last week playing the SNES I just got, and among the only games I've managed to borrow are the three Star Wars games - play those and then play KOTOR, and the difference is staggering.

      As for the Tie Fighter/Rogue Squadron/etc. games, I find them too repetetive generaly - well done, but really, another space dogfighting game? For that matter, another Star Wars space dogfighting game? I had my fill with Wing Commander III, which at least had something resembling a unique plotline to go with the gameplay.

      KOTOR, however, has renewed my faith in the Lucasarts team and Star Wars games in general. It really is amazing, and other than the 'save game is accidentally corrupted' bug, the worst part is the number of people I deal with on a day to day basis that won't stop talking about it. Whether that's actually a bad thing or not depends on whether or not you like to hear 'war stories' about RP games. If so, it's a definite plus.

      --Dan

    4. Re:Am I the only one? by QEDog · · Score: 1

      What about Rogue Leader for the GameCube? It is still one of the best looking Cube games, is very very fun and challenging, and captures the hectic SW battle in a great way. When you play the Endor battle stage, and you see dozens of TIEs while your frigates are trying to turn to escape, and you hear Lando say that you have to take on the Star Destroyers. Anyone that has ever played that part knows that that is was SW is all about.

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    5. Re:Am I the only one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Factor 5, not Level 5. but good point

    6. Re:Am I the only one? by rpillala · · Score: 1

      No you're certainly not alone in that sentiment. Along with Star Trek, SW manages to underlie many crap games and a few really good ones. You're probably better off looking at the developer to set your expectation for any upcoming game. I also agree with the other person who said KOTOR takes some time before it acquires that Star Wars feel.

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    7. Re:Am I the only one? by Halloran · · Score: 1
      Who thinks that basically all the Star Wars Games/Movies are on the downfall?


      I find your lack of faith disturbing...
  3. Re:Starwars is dead by Mike+Hawk · · Score: 1

    Ignorance is bliss I guess. Just to be clear, this game has nothing to do with any of the movies.

  4. Re:downloading games on PS2 or XBOX by ryarger · · Score: 1

    Except that the poster (as much as I can tell given the poor grammar), explicitly states he's looking for an option to download *and* pay, similar to iTunes. Such an option would be useless to people looking to download games for free.

    That given, I do believe that there are no plans for any online game-delivery service for any of the major consoles, at least for the near future.

  5. Duh, no PS2 port. by Inoshiro · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This game is something that the PS2 would not be able to run unless it was cut down so far as to make the game useless. Save files for it are 64megs in save, for crynig out loud! You're as likely to see Morrowind on the PS2 as KOTOR.

    If you've played the game, you know the enormous amount of detail that was put into it. They'de have to take out all bump mapping, shrink the levels, remove most of the NPCs, etc, etc. The PS2 just doesn't have the graphics power and RAM to execute this game. Plus, there's no way for Bioware to release updates to the game on the PS2; even if they figured out how to release updates via Sony's network adaptor (without any of the Live! infrastructure), where'd you put it? Assuming you could do a 4/1 compression on the save file, you'd still take 2 full memory cards with each KOTOR save.

    I think you should play this game, as it is excellent. Wether you do so on your PC or you Xbox is up to you. If you don't have either, consider getting one; the more systems you own, the more games you can play, the less likely you'll ever miss out on anything cool.

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    1. Re:Duh, no PS2 port. by EvilSporkMan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      remove most of the NPCs
      You mean all 8 of them? Ok, so I'm exaggerating a bit, but there are maybe 3 models for each gender and race of NPC. That sounds like a lot, but really, every fourth person has the SAME FACE!

      That said, it's really quite a nice game =)

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    2. Re:Duh, no PS2 port. by Yrd · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, that lack of NPC models affects all Bioware games though. I guess it's just not worth developing them!

      Although Neverwinter Nights has a rather startlingly large number of them, they still get repeated, and so do the character portraits. They really should make a game where it's impossible to select one of the NPC character portraits as your own.

      Beginning to get rather annoyed with people getting upset about now PS2 ports for things. Wake up and smell the coffee - it's outdated hardware! Someone get them a PC!

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    3. Re:Duh, no PS2 port. by robson · · Score: 1

      If you've played the game, you know the enormous amount of detail that was put into it. They'de have to take out all bump mapping, shrink the levels, remove most of the NPCs, etc, etc

      While in general I agree with you regarding the PS2 being underpowered, I'm going to play devil's advocate here.

      1. Save-games: A 64-meg save file is just lazy engineering as far as I'm concerned. Games just as complex have fit their save-games into 500k.
      2. Take out bump-mapping: True enough. I guess you could do this if you've got the programming time and power to devote to a custom graphics pipeline, but what a pain in the butt.
      3. Shrink levels: Baby, if DMA/Rockstar North can do an entire city streamed on the PS2, Bioware can avoid slicing up their already-tiny levels.
      4. Updates: No console developer should expect to patch their game in the first place.

      I'm certainly enjoying it. Not as much as Neverwinter Nights (which the engine and design are based on) but it's still fun.

    4. Re:Duh, no PS2 port. by Babbster · · Score: 1

      Just to clarify, the saves are NOT 64 megs a pop. Each save game is about 1,500 "blocks." Since the Xbox memory card is 8 MB and about 500 blocks (I only have one because it came with my Live! beta), that means that the saves are 24 MB a piece. They could EASILY be optimized to be much smaller (they could probably get down to at least 1 MB and maybe even smaller) if Bioware felt the need.

    5. Re:Duh, no PS2 port. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      for the record...bump mapping is difficult to implement on the ps2 efficently but by no means is it not possible...bah who cares anyway.

    6. Re:Duh, no PS2 port. by falcon5768 · · Score: 1

      Ah but if thhe PS2's planned HD comes out (not the linux one the game one that has to be used with Final Fantasy Online both of which are coming out this winter) then it is VERY possible you could do it minus some of the nice graphics. I for one can give two shits about graphics, if the gameplay is good then who cares, too many games hide the fact they suck behind good graphics.

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  6. Re:downloading games on PS2 or XBOX by EvilSporkMan · · Score: 1

    No, of course not.

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  7. wouldn't that have been GTA 5? by monkeyserver.com · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    GTA 4 was vice city, just a thought...

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    1. Re:wouldn't that have been GTA 5? by PainKilleR-CE · · Score: 1

      Vice City was GTA 3.5, or something like that.

      They kept repeating that Vice City would not be GTA 4, yet people keep making that mistake since they didn't call it something like GTA3-2:Vice City. The game evolved from GTA3, but it wasn't THAT much of a change in terms of the game engine.

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  8. This was confirmed as Xbox and PC only for a WHILE by analog_line · · Score: 2, Informative

    I hadn't heard any rumors it was being released for anything other than the Xbox and PC for...awhile. Several months at least. Probably just wishful thinking on the part of PS2 owners.

    Me, I'm not even buying it for PC. I have enough RPGs I haven't finished, and I haven't seen any reason why I need to add this to the stack. I've heard nothing but good about it, but it just doesn't matter.

  9. Time to buy an Xbox by slusich · · Score: 1

    I guess it's time I finally give in and buy an Xbox. KOTOR alone looks like it'll be worth it.

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    1. Re:Time to buy an Xbox by Cruel+Angel · · Score: 1

      did you miss the line that says that they are going PC only? RTFA

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    2. Re:Time to buy an Xbox by EvilSporkMan · · Score: 1

      Did you miss the line that says it's already out on Xbox? Get a Clue(TM).

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    3. Re:Time to buy an Xbox by WildBeast · · Score: 1

      I agree. I love it. You won't regret your purchase that's for sure.

    4. Re:Time to buy an Xbox by gearheadsmp · · Score: 1

      I bought a v1.1 Xbox off eBay, so I can flash the TSOP bios with one of the cracks. That way, I can play KOTOR and run Linux.

  10. Re:downloading games on PS2 or XBOX by paradesign · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    i believe your looking for the phantom, by infinium labs. but i wouldnt waste your money on it if i were you.

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  11. Action game with Darth Vader? by Torgo's+Pizza · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I'm just not seeing it. Somehow the image of Darth Vader in a third-person perspective doing bunny hops, clinging to railing edges and running doesn't seem right.

    The cool thing about Vader is the fact that he's so bad-ass he doesn't do those type of things. He's all about choking people from afar using his fingers and lightsabers. He's about presence and fear. He's management. Vader let's his minions do the piddly stuff and steps in to finish it off. This game design really, really worries me.

    1. Re:Action game with Darth Vader? by EvilSporkMan · · Score: 1

      What DOES he do, anyway? All he does is give orders, then sit there and wait a bit. Maybe you'll get to see his filing-paperwork side, or you could meditate...

      Actually, maybe we'll see his "younger" side? Remember Anakin Skywalker? That d00d was pretty l33t =)

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    2. Re:Action game with Darth Vader? by mrpuffypants · · Score: 1

      Then how about "Darth Vader: Middle Manager"

      Choke your employees! Persuade people to do your bidding in departmental meetings! Destroy entire office buildings in one fell swoop when projects are delayed!

    3. Re:Action game with Darth Vader? by Torgo's+Pizza · · Score: 5, Funny
      After reading some of the comments to my original post, I can see that I'm right on this. I mean, what is the marketing department going to do to hype up the game?

      Play as Darth Vader! The action includes:

      Pacing on the bridge of your Star Destroyer!

      One, two, three, turn, One, two, three, turn, choke officer, One, two, three, turn...

      Interview Bounty Hunters!

      Darth: I need a bounty hunter to go after Cmmdr. Solo. Tell me about yourself.

      Boba Fett: Well, I'm a people person. I'm good with a blaster and have a pretty cool backpack.

      Darth: I see. I find your lack of experience disturbing.

      Give status reports to the Emperor!

      Darth: My Master. During our last game turn we were able to harvest enough resources from our harvestors to enable our AT-AT rush to succeed. By building five new armories and researching new technology, we were able to increase our worker production by 33%!

      Emperor: Excellent Lord Vader! Your game ranking has increased!

      Build your own SimDeath Star!

      Darth: Let's see. Need to move this here, build that. Wait! What do you mean my droids are revolting? Now what's that symbol over my stormtroopers heads? Aren't they happy with that rec room I just built?

      Preorder your copy today!

    4. Re:Action game with Darth Vader? by EvilSporkMan · · Score: 1

      Hey now...Vader's a l33t pilot! He has his own damn TIE, remember? WHO nearly fried Luke's ass on the Death Star run? Altho I suppose if you paced (played?) well, you wouldn't NEED to do such things...

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    5. Re:Action game with Darth Vader? by Babbster · · Score: 1

      By the time of "Episode 4," I certainly agree with you. However, it has been told that Vader was responsible for hunting down and eliminating the Jedi Knights. That probably took a bit more work than just walking into rooms and choking them...if it didn't, then that big Jedi battle in AotC would have been over a lot sooner. Since the last movie isn't likely to address killing all the Jedi Knights, that could indeed be a worthy subject for a video game, filling in events between episodes 3 and 4.

    6. Re:Action game with Darth Vader? by islisis · · Score: 1

      ahh... darth has become so parodied over the years i think we can live with a little more. many star wars fans can live with all the parallel universes where characters exist while being selective with the images they 'burn' into their mind, so as much as i respect the dude, i want to take him to a whole new level. this game can basically go the direction of duke nukem i feel, to move around this huge black object on screen is a thing to marvel

  12. Memory stick! by splerdu · · Score: 1

    Sony shot itself in the foot not making the PS2 compatible with their own memory sticks... Those things would've taken care of all your savegames, maybe even hold a few games!

  13. Oh boy... by AvantLegion · · Score: 0, Flamebait
    ... yet another killer Xbox game for PS2 fanboys to ignore when claiming the Xbox has "no good games".

    1. Re:Oh boy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's the point if you already have a PC? If the Xbox didn't have PC games half of its library would disappear.

    2. Re:Oh boy... by AvantLegion · · Score: 1
      Nobody says "what's the point if you have a PC?" to the PS2 when the Grand Theft Auto games are championed.

    3. Re:Oh boy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The PS2 has the luxury having more than two must-have titles that aren't on PC. That's why.

  14. Thanks for the over-analysis you jackass. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks for the over-analysis you jackass.

  15. Maybe.. by Inoshiro · · Score: 1

    I suspect that the save file is just a compressed dump of the system memory (which is 64mb).

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  16. Not quite. by Inoshiro · · Score: 1

    I'm not talking updates to fix bugs, I'm talking updates to add more FUN. New armours, weapons, starting character classes, etc. Updates are the reason there won't have to be a Mech Assault 2; Microsoft will stream out updates as they see fit to increase the game's fun factor.

    And, even if you don't agree with the idea of patches, patches do help. Any multiplayer online game for console should have some way to update it so that hacks or bugs don't become exploited and ruin the game.

    It should be noted that GTA: Vice City and GTA: 3 also look like poo compared to KOTOR. Streamed levels do come at a price...

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  17. Sin City existed before April 1st by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Shortly after the release of Vice City, Rockstar announced that the next version of GTA would be called Sin City. Then, months later, someone played an unfunny April Fools joke that said the same thing. Unfortunately, ever since that damned April Fools joke, a Google search only turns up the April Fools info, and it's impossibly frustrating to find any reference to the original statement. And every time someone ignorantly claims that Sin City was just an April Fools joke, it makes it even harder.

  18. Except for the fact.. by Inoshiro · · Score: 1

    That of the 50 million PS2s out there, no large percentage will ever have HDs. Unless it comes stock with the system, no one will buy it. The only peripherals that every got more than 20% market saturation are memory cards and controllers with rumble.

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    1. Re:Except for the fact.. by falcon5768 · · Score: 1

      Ah I dont know about that, For one thing if they set it up like the japan version, then you can kiss goodbye to memory cards since they saves them to HD. Plus if you make games that require it (Xenosaga could very well be a game like that since the first one was almost two DVD long, with hints 3 - 8 might actually be two dvd's or more) then it makes sence to have a HD. The Japan one has sold very well, mostly cause of games like Final Fantasy Online, and I know the next version of the PS2 is comming with a hard drive AND network kit intigrated into the whole system. So I wouldnt count out a hard drive selling well. Im sorry the PS 2 is still much more popular a game platform to think that people wont upgrade their old ones if something really cool comes out. Heck im still looking into buying the Linux kit for it even though I have 4 computers all of which run some form of linux.

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  19. Maybe you didn't read what I wrote. by Inoshiro · · Score: 1

    The vast majority of people with stock PS2s won't upgrade with an HD, the same way they won't upgrade with a network adaptor. There are 50 million PS2s out there, and about 500,000 network adaptors. That's a 100 to 1 ratio. Do you know how many Xbox users have network adaptors in their console? all 10 million of them. That's also why Xbox system link thrives, while Sony is pulling the i.Link port in their next design revision.

    Sony has discontinued the PS2 without network adaptor. All the video game stores in town are out of new PS2s without network adaptor, but all of them have plenty of the network bundles. The network bundles don't sell well either, even though the user is getting half off the price of the network adaptor (30$ CDN more than new at some places). The PSX will be twice as expensive as the network bundle!

    Most people who own PS2s only care about the latest Madden or Grand Theft Auto. They probably can't even spell hard drive.

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    1. Re:Maybe you didn't read what I wrote. by falcon5768 · · Score: 1
      Well they are trying to get rid of the adaptor, since the PSX is comming out.

      and the PPSX is only $200, but offers alot better DVD support as well as wireless networking with other systems. (It was also rumored to offer DVD burning support but I dont have a confirmation on this)

      And truth be told if the PS 2 has most of the market, Im sure at least half if not more know how to spell hard drive, heck why the hell would they release a linux kit for the thing which is only really good for learning to code if they didnt think technical people where buying it.

      The basic point is that truth be told you dont know if that will be the case, as it is those people who want to play FF online HAVE to buy the hard drive, its bundled with the software and is required for play. In fact they send you a beta version of it for the testing they are doing right now, and with the amount of people who by the PS 2 because they are the ones that have the RPG market cornered (since Square-Enix have stated that they refuse to do buisness with Microsoft in the RPG relm) then its very likely that the HD market will be hopping for the PS2.

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    2. Re:Maybe you didn't read what I wrote. by falcon5768 · · Score: 1

      oh and BTW ilink was a firewire port that only the japan version of the PS 2 used, thats the reason it was ditched, it was never for networking iLink was the name of FireWire on the sony side which they cant use now that FireWire is the standard name for the connector (it used the unpowered 4 pin version, not the powered 6 pin), when the PS 2 was developed networking was still not a big priority, which it still isnt since the xbox live has very few customers even with it's 10 million networking kits :-P

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    3. Re:Maybe you didn't read what I wrote. by Inoshiro · · Score: 1

      "and the PPSX is only $200, but offers alot better DVD support as well as wireless networking with other systems. (It was also rumored to offer DVD burning support but I dont have a confirmation on this)"

      The Sony rep for my area says it'll be 499$ CDN. I'll take her word over yours anyday.

      "heck why the hell would they release a linux kit for the thing which is only really good for learning to code if they didnt think technical people where buying it."

      Better bread and circuses from Sony than all that homebrew stuff that went on with the Dreamcast. I can sit down and write an entire game for the Dreamcast and publish it; you can't publish anything on the PS2.

      "those people who want to play FF online HAVE to buy the hard drive, its bundled with the software and is required for play. In fact they send you a beta version of it for the testing they are doing right now, "

      Yes, I had a long chat with a person beta testing FF11 last Friday. AFAIK, the HD will be included with FF11. People who don't want to buy FF11 and play online for a fee will ignore it, naturally.

      Until you can come up with real sales numbers that show that the network adaptor is selling amazingly well, or that you have secret knowledge of PS2 online games that will be must have, you'll have to concede that not everyone who has a PS2 wants FF, nor does everyone have a credit card even if they did, nor does everyone want to pay. The only way to get 100% saturation is make it so you can't not get the network adaptor with the PS2 -- Sony missed out on that, however.

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    4. Re:Maybe you didn't read what I wrote. by falcon5768 · · Score: 1

      I guess sonys own PR given to CNN and about 1000 other places about the cost of the new PSX is better than some no name sony rep huh??? From Sony's own site "Kutaragi went on to explain that while Sony has not settled on how to market the PSX, its price may be lower than some have predicted. Because the system is largely based on semiconductors already developed for the PS2, which are inexpensively produced at existing Sony facilities, Sony will be able to sell it for less than rival devices and still turn a profit. " This was a old Press Release from may and doesnt reflect the $200 us pricing of the system, that came out today, this PR also confirms the rumored TV recording feature though I omitted that part I also never said the adaptor was selling well, I said there are no games for it yet cause networking these systems is still new. I DO know FF online is not going to be a pay per month since the Japan version isnt, its actually just the price of the game according to square-enix. And as for your 10 million networked according to CNN "the online console gaming service has snagged 350,000 subscribers in North America" thats pretty shitty when you think about it. And after a year they expect that to drop since no one wants to pay 9.99 a month to keep it. The simple fact remains it doesnt matter what system it is, it willl never break into the Online market

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  20. You really are ignorant. by Inoshiro · · Score: 1

    I know what i.Link is, and I know why Sony would be sued for using the term Firewire. Go look at a real PS2 system link cable. Note how its connector is the 4-pin i.Link cable connector!

    They are phasing it out because the system link games (Armored Core series, Grant Turismo 3) were so few in number. The cable is impossible to find at retail (you have to go online for it), as is the software available (2 games, woo). It's just like on the Dreamcast: you needed a special DC serial cable (good luck finding one), a game that supported system link (Virtua On, F355, and Daytona USA 2001), and two systems + two TVs + two discs. (The PS1 had Wipeout as its grand system link game..woo)

    As for your line, "xbox live has very few customers even with it's 10 million networking kits" -- I find in very revealing that the Xbox has as many people online playing Mech Assault at any given time as the PS2 has people playing SOCOM: US Navy Seals. The PS2s outnumber the Xbox 5 to 1, yet there are that many Xbox owners willing to buy Xbox Live (which costs the same as a network adaptor) and play online.

    Nintendo's stance is, wait until it's profitable. Sony's stance is, we don't care. Microsoft's stance is, let's make ourselves a new market of sustainable revenue. And they're doing in quite nicely. There are more games with online play and content download on the Xbox than there are online games on the PS2 by at least 2 to 1; possibly 3 to 1 by September.

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