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IBM Countersues SCO, And More!
mr.crutch writes "Few details are available, but CNet is reporting that IBM has filed counterclaims against SCO. CNet also has an interview with Red Hat CEO Matthew Szulik..." Jizzbug writes "Thanks to the folks of K5, we can all obtain our rights to use the Linux kernel from SCO, and without paying up to SCO's extortion. If kernel.org kernels aren't safe, sco.com kernels certainly ought to be." LWN has a copy of SCO's Linux License for your perusal. Bruce Perens is speaking of the dangers of patent portfolios to open source software, notable because IBM's counterclaims include patent infringement. And finally, a company is selling SCO Check, a tool to de-SCOify your Linux system, if SCO ever presents any evidence whatsoever of infringing code in Linux. Update: 08/08 00:16 GMT by T : SCO's public response to IBM's counterclaim is short and to the point. Among other things, it says "If IBM were serious about addressing the real problems with Linux, it would offer full customer indemnification and move away from the GPL license." Given the other links in this story, perhaps SCO should go first on that count.
I think that old Darl (www.tubdarl.com) bit off more than he can chew! IBM has more seasoned lawyers that specialize in patent cases than SCO has employees.
Anyone notice that SCO's stock slipped another 11% today? heh.
Don't anthropomorphize computers, they don't like it.
Hope SCO managers cashed in ALL of their stock.
Sco is going down like Justin Timberlake at a Nambla meeting!
Generally, I would say that linking to a 25 meg file from the front page of Slashdot is unconscionable. But in this case, perhaps it should be seen as an act of patriotism.
And finally, a company is selling SCO Check...
I'd be more than happy to sell my own de-SCO-ifier program for a mere $699 per license.
(i am not a lawyer and any advice given here is purely to take the piss out of everything and everyone, i will not be held responsible for anything, even my own actions)
All I Want For Christmas Is My Constitutional Rights
Hmm, 4 comments and I can't get to Kuro5hin. Mirrors?
Enigma
I just bought a tool for $699 to De-SCO my windows 98 box. I'm not taking any chances.
I recommend you all buy the utility, the website is http://www.caldera.com/
Darl McBride: "We can't comment on the action yet. Our attorneys are still reviewing the court filing."
No Mr. McBride, your attorneys are already dead
n/t
11*43+456^2
Looks to me that big blue wont have to buy SCO. They will simply be awarded what's left of the company as a settlement. How poetic.
"And this is my boy, Sherman. Speak, Sherman." "Hello." "Good boy."
Comments should be informative... but all I can think to write is. BWAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH. IBM to SCO. -"There can be, Only One."
Pass the popcorn will ya? This is getting good!
So rise up, all ye lost ones, as one, we'll claw the clouds.
If I were a CIO or CTO debating the TCO of *nix vs. Win2K3 to a CEO, would IBM vs. SCO be the TKO that stops the CEO from approving A/P to pay my PO for RH's LGX?
;p
FWIW, even if OSS is FAIB, if the DOJ considers *nix IP with a TM, then it basically become's SCO's LIC, meaning our OSS becomes a CSS OS, which would RSTBO.
AIBO going w/ an ASP that manages our OS? BTA, we might end up w/ a BOFH giving us ZA, which WWAD PMS.
AFAIK, INMP if SCO wants to be ITM by enforcing its supposed IPR - *nix IP should be PD or GNU, like BSD just on GP, IYKWIM. I keep asking myself in this situation - WWLD?
Oh, BTW - IITYWIMWYBMAD?
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sorry, i just *had* to
Finally some decent action outta Big Blue. And coming soon, 1200+ /. comments to keep me busy reading for the rest of the day!
http://thechubbyferret.net - Ferret pictures and informative links.
Hey Dale!!!!
I don't think IBM is going to buy your company!
This isn't working out like you wanted, is it?
If I were at IBM, I would have seen to it that we mentioned four patents are being infringed, but SCO will have to agree to our terms to find out what they are.
1. Sue IBM
2. ???????
3. Run for your life!
http://investor.news.com/Engine?Account=cnet&PageN ame=QUOTE&Ticker=SCOX
If the theroy holds, that every negative thing that causes SCaldera stock to fall prompts an even MORE bizzare release from SCO to get it back up, I wonder what we'll get by this evening?
SCO claiming that because AT&T once owned Unix that everyone with a phone owes them $700 for a license?
Corporatism != Free Market
It is official; Slashdot now confirms: SCO is dying
One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered SCO Group when IBM and SuSE confirmed that SCO is full of shit. Coming on the heels of a recent RedHat lawsuit which plainly states that SCO has been spreading lies, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. SCO is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in karma rankings on Slashdot.
You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict SCO's future. The hand writing is on the wall: SCO faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for SCO because SCO is dying. Things are looking very bad for SCO. As many of us are already aware, SCO executives continues to dump their shares. Red ink flows like a river of blood.
SCO is sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If SCO is to survive at all it will be among Slashdot trolls. SCO continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, SCO is dead.
Fact: SCO is dying
I bought a single stock that I'm donating to the Darwin awards. First place is a lock for these jokers.
LilMikey.com... I'll stop doing it when you sto
Odd - I'm still getting 191KB/second - Come on, Slashdotters, you can do better than that!
Come on... if you want to run a legal kernel it's:
[Enter][Enter][Enter]
shutdown -r now
The reboot is optional.
LilMikey.com... I'll stop doing it when you sto
He's a witch! BURN HIM!
Hoo-Boy. And here I was, starting to get upset that IBM and Red Hat were doing nothing to stop the fudwar.
Man, can IBM bitchslap or what? Not only are they targetting SCO, they're targetting the managements pocketbooks as much as possible. If that entire Novell blocking the revocation of the AIX licenses is true, then the shareholders have a beef which could ultimately lead to a class-action.
IBM for President!!!
IBM: Do you hear that, Mr. SCO? That is the sound of inevitability. That is the sound of your death. Goodbye, Mr. SCO.
SCO: Oh shit.
I believe it [the IBM anti-trust case] was settled by Nixon appointees early in the Carter administration. "ran out of money" is of course facetious
Don't remember the Carter years too well, do you? "Ran out of money" isn't that bad an exaggeration!
:-) Couldn't help it
All the money to be made in all industries is made by lawyers, didn't you get the memo?
It is i++ guys, it is every where. We are doomed
I bet he's very "disappointed" that IBM countersued.
Heh.
McBride: What happen?
Ballmer: Somebody set up us the bitchslap.
Ballmer: We get lawsuit.
McBride: What!
McBride: Main screen turn on.
McBride: It's You!!
BigBlue: How are you gentlemen!!
BigBlue: All your rights are belong to us.
BigBlue: You are on the way to bankruptcy.
McBride: What you say!!
BigBlue: You have no chance to survive make your time.
BigBlue: Ha Ha Ha Ha
McBride: Take off every preferred share.
Ballmer: You know what you doing.
McBride: Move shares.
McBride: For great profit.
By the way SCO's stock is looking i wouldn't be surprise that, in true N.Korean fashion, SCO claims tomorrow to posses Nuclear Weapons, and demand one to one talks will the capitalist-scum IBM. Either that, or something about a mighty Jihad, Saurons dark forces, the mother of all court battles, the shadows, etc...
Anything to get those stocks back up so the execs can off load whatever shares they hadn't yet sold.
Anyway, that was a good riposte!
sPh
Why would Justin Timberlake have a problem with Marlon Brando lookalikes?
Stock is down 11.25% on the day as I type this. Probably just reactionary, but still...
Too bad, so sad.
#include <stdio.h>
int main(int argc, char *argv[]) {
printf("You're clean!\n");
return 0;
}
Jeez, talk about your Landshark Rush! This is going to get horribly violent ... and I like it! Woo-hoo!
Boot to the head! Na na
Boot to the head! Na na
Boot to the head! Na na
Boot to the head! Na na...
One line blog. I hear that they're called Twitters now.
Not only popularized, but I'm pretty sure they're also patenting the process, and then sue SCO for another patent infringement.
Signatures are supposed to be funny?
What is the SCO Intellectual Property (IP) License for Linux?
Many customers are concerned about using Linux since they have become aware of the allegations that Linux is an unauthorized derivative work of the UNIX(R) operating system. These customers unknowingly received unauthorized copies of SCO intellectual property and many are running critical business applications on Linux. Customers have come to SCO asking what they can do to respect and help protect the rights of the SCO intellectual property in Linux. SCO has created the Intellectual Property License for Linux in response to these customer needs. Customers who are running Linux distributions on a client, a server or an embedded system can obtain a license from SCO to use the SCO IP in binary form. This license is sufficient for the end user to continue to run its operation uninterrupted.
Does everyone who uses Linux need a SCO UNIX IP License for Linux?
End users running Linux 2.4 or later versions for commercial purposes need a SCO IP license.
and my personal fav:
I have Linux servers deployed in my organization. What options do I have besides purchasing a SCO IP license?
There are 3 options for you to evaluate:
You have the option to do nothing, adopt a "wait and see" attitude, and hope that SCO is not serious about enforcing its intellectual property rights in the end user community.
You can replace all servers, desktop and embedded uses of Linux.
You can obtain a license from SCO to use SCO IP in binary form in Linux distributions
So in summary, SCO wants us to pay to use software they claim uses stuff they own but won't tell us what it is so we can stop using it and the rights to which they gave away but claim they can take back because they didn't know what they were giving away when they gave it.
Seems reasonable enough to me.
I'm starting to find more and more comparisons between McBride and the Iraqi Information Minister.
"There are no IBM patents in SCO. Never!"
"We have them surrounded in their servers!"
"Let the IBM infidels bask in their illusion!"
"We will own them all...most of them!"
-Barkeep, a draft of your most hazardous brew, for the world is slowly stepping into focus, and I don't like what I see.
Stop posting this shit. I'm note getting any work done!
Why is it K5 gets the credit for posting the link to SCO's linux source? I already did it here on slashdot back in July
You should have patented the idea.
This is awesome news! Not only from the fact that IBM is getting in on the action with a countersuit but every time someone takes a shot back at SCO you know SCO comes out with some bizarre claim/lawsuit to trump it! When Redhat sued SCO decided to start selling licenses for everybody who used linux, when SuSE joined in they went after the US government!!! Now that IBM is countersuing them just try to imagine what we're going to see from SCO in the next couple days. Sue the Catholic curch? Sue everybody who is running linux in a RIAA style attack? I mean I can't even imagine what they'll do.
Okay here's my idea, get a press pass and get some film from the press conference, add a laugh track and we'll have a sitcom good enough to fund linux development for the next 10 years!
I stole this Sig
No. I'm sorry. Nothing is better than watching Battlebots.
-Looking for a job as a materials chemist or multivariat
> Another method used in shorting is "Borrowing." This is where an investor can sell someone else's stock, buy it back later at a cheaper price, and give back to the person who originally owned it.
Yeah, sometimes I do that with other people's cars, on weekends.
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
Although I realize that IBM may sue me for copyright infringement, I thought I would share with you their latest piece of code. Perhaps the OSS community could incorporate some of this code in their future dealings with other companies.
do
{
bitchslap(szCompanyName);
}while(FUD);
My Sig Beat up your Honor Roll Sig
Man, now I'm getting so excited I want to sue somebody!
C'mon, mom, can I? Can I? All the other nerds are doing it!
"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one " -Albert Einstein
Oh yeah. Been waiting for this, the official "other shoe," to drop for months.
Seriously, what was SCO expecting? On a ranking of groups not to piss off...
999,934,953,021: PETA
999,934,953,020: FSF
127:GNAA, San Quentin Prison Chapter
2: Colombian cocaine cartels
1: IBM
Shoulda seen this coming.
-Looking for a job as a materials chemist or multivariat
Aww, c'mon! It's easier than that to short stock! All you have to do is connect the positive end to the negative end...
The probability that someone is watching you is directly proportional to the stupidity of your actions.
From SCO's quarterly report:
This, Ladies and Gentlemen, has to be the understatement of this century, if not of this millennium.
"There are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare." - Blair Houghton
I agree, SCO used to be cool. But now they are the scurge of the earth. Lets buy them and change it to Start Coding Openly. :)
"I bow to no man" - Riddick
Vizzini (aka McBride): Ha ha, you fool! You've fallen victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is "Never get involved in a land war in Asia", but only slightly less well known is this - "Never go in against IBM when intellectual property rights are on the line!" Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha h-! (falls over dead)
Think global, act loco
All your codebase are belong to us.
SCO sues IBM, Red Hat sues SCO, IBM sues SCO, et cetera, ad nauseum, ad infinitum.
I say forget the legal process. It's too slow. Let's get each company to build their own BattleBot and go on Robot Wars to settle this whole mess. Just imagine: "Big Blue", a huge flipper bot flinging "SCObot" through the air while a big red bowler hat smashes into SCO at every opportunity. Chunks of metal flying, flames licking up from dismembered metallic remains.
Ah I love the smell of burnt electric motors and battery acid in the morning!
Ruby on Rails Screencast
On a ranking of groups not to piss off...
Wow. If the Columbian Cartel tools around in Blue SUVs and shoots at you with uzis, I wonder what the IBM gang car is?
who are those slashdot people? they swept over like Mongol-Tartars.
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200308/07/eng200 30807_121861.shtml
Sig under construction since 1998.
sue God!
Well, you gotta admit that, right now, IBM is the shit.
You're close. It's actually fellatious in that the more they push that license the more I want to shove my dick in their mouths.
All's true that is mistrusted
It's actually fellatious in that the more they push that license the more I want to shove my dick in their mouths.
That doesn't sound like such a wise idea. I'd bet SCO bites.
Muhahaha!
SCO: Have at you!
IBM: You are indeed brave, sir knight, but the fight is mine.
SCO: Oh, had enough eh?
IBM: Look, you stupid bastard. You've got no arms left!
SCO: Yes I have.
IBM: Look!
SCO: Just a flesh wound!
I would say that SCO doesn't have a leg to stand on.
That's "Mr. Soulless Automaton" to you, Bub.
Now return to your HAPPY place. Ahhh, now isn't that better? Yes. J-Lo's there, and Baflack fell down a sink hole or something... She calls your name. Happy-happiness fills your thoughts... Ah yes...
Wake up! Your keyboard's getting sticky! NOT THAT friggin' HAPPY!
Arrgh - I've been bitten by the parody bug. My apologies to Dire Straits, and it's not my fault.
Money for Nothing
Now look at them SCO-yo's that's not the way to do it
They say we're infringing on their IP.
It ain't workin' the way they try to do it
They're getting nowhere, lawsuits ain't free.
No it ain't workin', not the way they do it
Lemme tell ya them guys are dumb
They gots a lawsuit from them RedHat people
And a 'nuther from that IBM.
You gotta buy their UNIX license
Or else they gonna sue you guys
They gotta keep that FUD stream flowing
They gotta keep that stock price high.
See little Darl with the options and delusions
He's got no braincells under his hair
That little Darl wants his own jet airplane
Little Darl wants to be a millionaire
You gotta buy their UNIX license
Or else they gonna sue you guys
They gotta keep the FUD stream flowing
They gotta keep that stock price high.
I shoulda learned to play the market
I shoulda learned to pump and dump
Look at them, they got all those profits
Man I could have some fun
Darl's up there in Utah making lawyer noises
Bangin' out lawsuits like a chimpanzee
It ain't workin' the way they try to do it
They're getting nowhere, lawsuits ain't free.
see darl mcbride
I B M fills all his holes
with lawyer penis
/* Intellectual Property Buster v1.0 (IPbuster.h) Include this in your kernel to prevent that nasty SCO licensing business. */
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*cough cough* Damn.
Anyways, just kidding about the license. It's really GPL!
Which end is up?
e s/archive03/sco_redhat.html
More evidence that this remains unknown in the alternate universe known as SCO.
On their website, SCO's display of "unity" with other Linux companies is beyond ironic,
and fits nicely with the continuing public FTP of the Linux code SCO is attacking!
SCO is so cah-loo-less that their "United Linux" web page still has a link to SuSE:
http://www.sco.com/unitedlinux
After clicking on the SuSE logo, you can read SuSE's opinion of the actions of their "partner":
http://www.suse.com/us/company/press/press_releas
Besides greed and belligerence, the general state of consciousness seems to be sub-comatose at SCO.
(Of course, that's not news.)
In that case, it's been a pleasure doing business with you.