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Los Alamos to Use AMD's Opteron in Linux Clusters

nuke-alwin writes "eWeek is reporting that Los Alamos National Laboratory announced it will use more than 3,300 Opteron chips in two of its Linux clusters. According to the article 'The key to Opteron, as it tries to gain traction not only against Intel Corp.'s 64-bit Itanium chip but also its 32-bit Xeon offerings, is its ability to run both 32-bit and 64-bit applications equally well.'"

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  1. The key by mao+che+minh · · Score: 5, Informative
    Not only can the Opteron power both 32-bit and 64-bit, but it also performs just as well as the Itanium in either environment. The Opteron is also far cheaper (especially when you compare the costs of 3,000 Opterons to 3,000 Itaniums, as most potential customers will).

    Intel can't compete with the Opteron on merits alone. It will be interesting to see what they try next.

    1. Re:The key by Jason1729 · · Score: 5, Funny

      It will be interesting to see what they try next.

      Maybe claim that since they created the x86 platform, the Opteron contains their IP and any Opteron users owe them $750/CPU in licensing.

      Jason
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    2. Re:The key by jerkychew · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But Intel has something in the server market that AMD doesn't: a reputation. AMD is just breaking into this market, and we'll see how many companies jump on the bandwagon this early.

      I've worked for enough good-sized companied to know that a difference of a few thousand (even a few hundred-thousand) dollars isn't as important as reliability when you get into enterprise-level systems. The old saying, 'nobody ever got fired for buying IBM', rings true for Intel as well.

      Not to mention that Intel's profit margin is HUGE when it comes to the server market - such is the luxury of being the only x86 gig in town. Intel can stand to slash prices dramatically and still turn a profit. Remember how they almost bankrupted AMD a few years back when AMD promised its 6x86 chips would always be 25% cheaper than a comparable Pentium.

      Yeah, this will be very interesting.

    3. Re:The key by javiercero · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Who in their right mind implements an IIS farm, and spends $100K to boot, jeezus!

      "Go price out an eight-way Dell 8450 server. Then tell me about low-end."

      Go and price a nice sun fire, or a nice IBM regatta and get back to us kid. Yes those Dells are low end in the realm of servers....

  2. Errm... by pr0ntab · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yeah, and you also need to reboot your Pentiums to run 16-bit code.

    It is just the state of a flag in a control register. In particular, see page 68 of
    AMD's Opteron System Programming Guide.

    64-bit mode is enabled with the flip of bit 8 of the EFER Model-Specific Register. Otherwise it defaults to 32-bit mode. OS designers should test/set this bit just before running a thread in the scheduler, or jumping into system code as it can only be modified by code running in ring 0. This is the same way people treated the Virtual-8086 (16-bit) mode bit in CR0. In fact, you can combine the protected-mode, virtual-8086 mode, and "long mode" bits to have a variety of register-size and memory addressing modes per thread.

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  3. The real key... by DeathPenguin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...is that AMD opened their platform well enough to the LinuxBIOS developers while Intel basically told them to screw off and live with EFI. Here is what Ron Minnich had to say earlier on the LinuxBIOS mailing list.

  4. Al Gore never claimed he invented the Internet. by C3ntaur · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What he *actually* said was, "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." Granted, it's debatable as to how much initiative he took in its creation, but he was in fact involved in legislation and funding that helped to shape it.

    Whenever I see this twisting of words and facts perpetuated, it reminds me of the fools who just can't say nuclear (it's "noo-clee-ar", not "noo-kyoo-lar", damn it!!!).

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  5. Power consumption problem by DV · · Score: 5, Interesting

    One of the very serious problem related to building
    Itanium clusters is their very high power
    consumption and the associated heat removal problem.
    It's okay for a few server in a room, but for
    cluster trying to pack boxes is a key point of the
    architecture. Apparently Opteron is not too bad
    since there are dual Opteron in 1U server format
    design commonly available, and it was overheating
    that would be known by now, but for the Itanium(2)
    cluster I know off, they never managed to get the
    full cluster running without bringing either the
    power supply down or the air conditionning down.

    Itanium 1 was notoriously power hungry and
    a common source of joke about this, Itanium 2 is
    certainly better in this respect, but the clock
    speed has been multiplied by nearly 3, I really
    doubt they could compensate the initial problem
    enough to get the new high speed chip to get back
    to a decent consumption.

    On the other hand Opteron seems quite better
    probably getting the benefit of all the power
    consumption research that AMD did during the 90's
    where AMD chip were at the time consuming significantly more than Intel equivalents.

    Now if someone has the time to make a search
    for the advertized power consumption of both chip
    that would be a really interesting post :-)

    Daniel