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PS2 Exploit Allows Running of Unsigned Code

DrEldarion writes "This man has figured out a way to make the PS2 run unsigned code without a modchip. "To make a long story short, the exploit allows anyone with a memory card and a valid, legal PS1 disc to hijack the boot process and run any piece of code.""

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  1. What kind of hardware is needed... by The+Raven · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... to get arbitrary files on a memory card? I don't know about you, but *I* don't have anything like that. Will a small industry be created selling pre-altered memory cards?

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    1. Re:What kind of hardware is needed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      "SharkPort or one of the other memcard adapters"

      Third paragraph of the article... but I can't blame you for not reading it in full, as you probably wanted to be one of the first to comment :-)

    2. Re:What kind of hardware is needed... by Caff · · Score: 5, Informative

      I believe you can use interact's SharkPort disc, and connect a USB cable between your computer and the PS2, or something like that. I think Datel makes a similar accessory, but I'm not sure. In addition to this, various manufacturers, such as EMS, make USB-compatible memory cards, or "Memory Adapters" where you plug in a memory card and have the ability to connect it to a PC using a parallel cable.

    3. Re:What kind of hardware is needed... by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 4, Funny
      It would normally, but they are all under indictment from the DirectTV folks.

      Ah yes, slashdot, where folks discuss spending $200 on equipment to crack a $30 game.

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    4. Re:What kind of hardware is needed... by k_187 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Interact, I believe, made a thing called a dexdrive that let you put save games from the internet onto a memory card. I'd bet that it would work. I'm sure there are other similar devices that would also work.

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    5. Re:What kind of hardware is needed... by DrEldarion · · Score: 5, Informative

      Lik-Sang sells them for around $30, I believe.

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    6. Re:What kind of hardware is needed... by badasscat · · Score: 4, Informative

      ... to get arbitrary files on a memory card? I don't know about you, but *I* don't have anything like that. Will a small industry be created selling pre-altered memory cards?

      You can use a SharkPort, as it says on the web site. These are tough to find and are no longer made, but follow the link on that web site to the XPort, which does the same thing (and in fact probably is the same thing).

      These things have existed for a long time. I got my SharkPort maybe 6 months after the PS2 was launched.

    7. Re:What kind of hardware is needed... by blincoln · · Score: 5, Informative

      follow the link on that web site to the XPort, which does the same thing (and in fact probably is the same thing).

      Yes, they're the same hardware. The Gameshark line of hardware (up until the V3) was made by a company called Datel in the UK and sold their under the Action Replay name. Interact just licensed it for North American sales. Their deal went sour, and now Datel sells it all here under their own brand.

      Just to keep everyone confused, the Gameshark brand is now owned by MadCatz, and their "Gameshark V3" is actually closer to the Code Breaker that Pelican sells. Both were developed by a company called Fire.

      Is that like the gaming equivalent of a soap opera or what?

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    8. Re:What kind of hardware is needed... by Yakko · · Score: 3, Informative

      But what PS2 Linux calls "mcfs" is NOT full access to the memory card. It's just access to the big file on the card set aside for Linux, so you can't just plug in any old card and mount it.

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  2. Great news! by levik · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now all we need is someone to write a legal playstation emulator for the X-Box, and we can run linux on it with no additional money going to microsoft for buying/renting a particular x-box game!

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    1. Re:Great news! by tprime · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't think that the people who just buy xboxes to "hurt" microsoft really understand what they are doing. In the short term, YES, you are costing Microsoft money on their per console loss. In the long term, you are helping them.

      For instance, 1,000,000 MS haters buy xboxes with the hopes of making a serious dent in the $60 billion (yes with nine zeros) cash reserve that Microsoft holds. In the mean time, Microsoft is able to report to the software vendors that they have those 1,000,000 extra xboxes out there. Vendors see the large numbers and make more games to support the xbox. In turn, the xbox software library grows and so does its legit customer base. I know the 1,000,000 xboxes for the MS haters is an exaggeration, but hopefully you will get my point.

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    2. Re:Great news! by Cylix · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That is a rather simplistic view I'm afraid.

      If I were a game producer...

      I would compare characteristics from my potential product to that of similar products in the market. Then I would compare sales figures. ie, compare age demos of various genres or which types of titles sell the best. Hell, I would even glance as to which company is selling the most titles and try to understand their secret to success.

      You would only need to look at pure console sales as a point of interest for producing on that platform. Its already a bit of a known fact that the large console markets are PS2 and XBOX.

      It doesn't do alot of good to know there are X Billion people in North America, if you don't know how many people would be potentially interested in buying your product.

      Buy and Burn all the xbox's you want.

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    3. Re:Great news! by shivianzealot · · Score: 2, Insightful

      For instance, 1,000,000 MS haters buy xboxes with the hopes of making a serious dent in the $60 billion (yes with nine zeros) cash reserve that Microsoft holds. In the mean time, Microsoft is able to report to the software vendors that they have those 1,000,000 extra xboxes out there. Vendors see the large numbers and make more games to support the xbox. In turn, the xbox software library grows and so does its legit customer base. I know the 1,000,000 xboxes for the MS haters is an exaggeration, but hopefully you will get my point.

      Other posters have pointed out that an x-box which never goes purchased hurts Microsoft more than one that is. By buying the product, you reimburse Microsoft's cost by $110, or whatever their resellers pay.

      An X-Box on the shelf costs M$ more than two in the hand!

      I think I just came up with my new sig...

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    4. Re:Great news! by Greyfox · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ah yes! But if I buy 10,000 X boxes and use them to sculpt a giant penis (Well... it WAS going to be a gopher and I gave up on that and changed to a big Tux the Penguin but I'm not that artistic so it really looks a lot more like a penis) and have that erected (Heh, so to speak) in Redmond, WA, it would get enough publicity that the software developers would know that Microsoft's claims were inflated by that many units! They can't run X-Box games if they're being used as part of a giant gopher-penis-tux-the-penguin sculpture, can they? It's genius! Genius, I tell you! And just to add insult to injury, one could apply for a federal arts-grant to get the money for the units! How cool is that?

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  3. Unsigned code... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Like LINUX!?

    In related news, Sony pays $499 per each PS2 sold to SCO. The rest of the compensation is the release of a smash-hit game "Superdaryl and the Invasion of the IBM Drones", in which Daryl saves America from IBM-aided terrorists.

    1. Re:Unsigned code... by NanoGator · · Score: 2, Funny

      I, for one, welcome our SCO overlords.

      (sorry, couldn't think of a way to use the other 3 overused quotes here.)

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  4. So what? by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 2, Insightful
    That would have been really useful BEFORE Sony went off and released a Linux kit for the PS/2. No, really.

    Am I the last guy on earth who actually goes out an pays for things?

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    1. Re:So what? by Pharmboy · · Score: 2, Informative

      Quoting an interesting post from an Anonymous Coward:

      Actually:

      1. There are projects to get around that. Many hardware registers can be reached from within Linux. All of them can be reached outside linux, using the linux kit.
      2. mrbrown already released something months ago for linux kit users to be able to play with native applications without a need for a mod chip.

      Since he already released that, homebrew people could spend a few bucks to get a bunch of hardware, a legitimate, mod-free way to boot stuff, support Sony (who so far is the only console manufacturer to ever give out development tools and docs to the average joe), and a legitimate copy of the Sony documents that they've all pirated. They've openly asked for copies of them on their mailing lists. I guess this his time around the intention is clearly to:

      1. Stroke mrbrown's overgrown ego. Remember that anyone who uses this for any reason (even piracy!) will have to leave his name all over it.
      2. Promote piracy. Of course, he's not responsible for it. I have a loaded gun to sell you, but I'm not responsible if you kill someone with it.
      3. Piss Sony off (again?)
      4. Get sued, possibly, and
      5. ???Get a job???

      I'm sure if #5 really does happen and he gets a legitimate PS2 job "because of this" he'll get lots of friendly tech support from Sony people if he ever needs to call them.

      Sincerely,

      Anonymous Coward


      I am not saying I agree or disagree, but I did think this AC raised some interesting points, worth reading if you have a threshold of "1".

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  5. What does this mean for linux? by anonymous+coword · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It seems that it would be ueber-leet to be able to run linux to its full potential. Instead of just having the Sandbox environment we will have direct access to the hardware. I'd also be able to play tuxracer on the PS2. But then again I'm still waiting for a gamecube port of linux because thats what I have.

  6. PS1 or PS2 memory card? by MasterSLATE · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have a thing for the PC that lets me read/write my PS1 memory cards... Does that mean I can do this?

    It was made by the same people that made gameshark

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  7. ..yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Oh, if you or your company are looking for a low-level PS2 or GC hacker, I am available for immediate contract work or other offers. My e-mail is the best way to contact me.

    We'll get right on that.
    After Sony's attorneys finish with you, "immediate contract work" is exactly what you'll need.

  8. FINALLY! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'll be able to apply the "adult patch" to Equestriad 2001 and have the race mares rise their tails and wink at you after winning the race!

  9. Re:What can I run? by meringuoid · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's not an x86, so Windows won't run natively. Might as well try to run Windows on a Mac. With Linux, we have the source code, so we can make the necessary modifications for the PS2 system, recompile, and run. If Microsoft wanted, they could probably produce a Windows for PS2, but I bet they won't :-)

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  10. That's not the point by danaris · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If I can get my American PS2 to run Japanese PS2 games without having to pay $100 and do a lot of fiddly soldering, that's worth it. I don't know how much it would actually cost to get a memory card reader, since I don't have one, but I doubt one would have to pay $200.

    Dan Aris

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  11. Comparable to Xbox hack by remahl · · Score: 4, Informative

    This provides to PS2 what has existed for the X-box for a while now. It was mentioned on slashdot and allows the X-box to run unsigned code after some preparation.

    It replaces some font files (which are not checksummed) with ones that use an exploit in X-box firmware.

  12. Useful? by duffhuff · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I was reading about this before seeing this article. One of the points brought up is that it's not really a useful hack because it's quite tricky to utilize.

    It looks like you need a memory card reader ($$), and then have to edit a file and add the Title ID for each game you want to play. This requires a bit of work to figure out, and a *nix system to run his software, I think.

    It doesn't work with all games all the time, only the ones you specify. Also, there may be a limit to how many table entries you can have, which would limit the number of games you can run.

    If someone is tech savvy enough to figure this out, they just might have what it takes to install some of the existing modchips out there. Mine only has one wire, and coupled with a GameShark, will run almost anything out there, but it's a bit of a pain.

    Perhaps the bright side is that this will allow users of Linux on the PS2 to run code outside the restrictions of the OS that Sony added.

    1. Re:Useful? by clf8 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You didn't have to add a Title ID for each game you wanted to play. You had to add the Title ID for whatever particular PS1 disc you wanted to use to exploit the hack. Presumably, at this point you would switch discs and (somehow) put in a backup or foreign game that would boot even though it isn't "signed."

      As for Linux on Playstation2, it's already there, supported by Sony.

  13. Memory card reader for Mac? by danaris · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Does anyone know if there's a memory card reader out there that is in any way compatible with a Mac? For obvious reasons.

    And actually, I honestly do want to play legal imports on my PS2. If there's a game I want to play, I usually think it's worth supporting the people who make it.

    Dan Aris

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  14. No fair by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I hadn't even thought about playing non-us games. Shoots a hole through my rant. Are US playstations able to output PAL?

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    1. Re:No fair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      > I hadn't even thought about playing non-us games.
      > Shoots a hole through my rant. Are US playstations
      > able to output PAL?

      Japanese television is NTSC just like the US, not PAL. (Of course, you won't be able to understand what the hell the game says, since it will all be in Japanese)

    2. Re:No fair by repvik · · Score: 2, Informative

      Probably, since you can play US games on european PS/2's :)

    3. Re:No fair by blincoln · · Score: 3, Informative

      I hadn't even thought about playing non-us games. Shoots a hole through my rant. Are US playstations able to output PAL?

      Yes. I have a chipped PS2 so I can play import games (and my own hacked versions of games I own), and it outputs PAL just fine. Since my TV is NTSC, I have to hook it up to the video-in on my PC and play it on the screen there. I've got video-out too, so I could probably set up my PC as a very overpriced PAL->NTSC converter by using a capture program with a full-screen preview option.

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    4. Re:No fair by Pheersum · · Score: 2, Informative

      Japan uses NTSC anyway.

    5. Re:No fair by siliC · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have a similar setup. I only use PAL to play the UK version of ICO (beautiful game, available US but i wanted the Collector's Edition - give it a try if you haven't and like adventure/puzzle... anyway:)

      A great program (open source! but windows only) to do the "full screen preview" is: dScaler It also deinterlaces the video signal if you want, and has various other nifty filters you can apply.


  15. Sony's ps2 linux kit by jtilak · · Score: 5, Informative

    sony's ps2 linux kit is crippled. read THE PLAYSTATION LINUX FAQ for more info. i'm assuming with this, someone can run a regular linux distro on the ps2.

    1. Re:Sony's ps2 linux kit by Space+cowboy · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's not crippled as regards linux. It's crippled as regards the PS2.

      The PS2 is a dataflow architecture, which relies heavily on programmed DMA between chips. The DMA controller is more powerful than most, allowing chained DMA commands to be set up. You can "program" it on the fly.

      The linux kit emulates the DMA controller, providing little of the flexibility of the real PS2, and hence a lower standard of operation.

      Simon.

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  16. So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So what? I've been running custom code on my unmodded PS2 using Sony's Linux kit for awhile now, even crunching Distributed.net with it. If you want to run custom code, buy the Linux kit. Show Sony people do want a Linux kit, that way they might release one for PS3 or even PSP. I'd rather use an official kit instead of a hack.

  17. Has anyone tried downloading it yet? by danaris · · Score: 2, Informative

    I tried compiling his titleman utility, since I don't have any of the games already in the title.lst file, but it seems like some stuff is missing...do you need to have a PS2 devkit of some sort to do this? His makefile seems to suggest it.....

    Dan Aris

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    1. Re:Has anyone tried downloading it yet? by ignoramus · · Score: 2, Informative

      I don't think it's mentioned in the README but the Makefile seems to expect ee-gcc and associated libs. Have a look at the PS2Dev project on sf.net.

  18. Unsigned Code? by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 3, Funny

    Oh boy, we can count to 4294967295 billion now!

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  19. Re:Restrictions by SharpFang · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Border, n: in C64, area of screen where no graphics can be displayed. Therefore it's the favourite place for all Commodore demoscene coders to display various graphics, causing engineers who designed it rip their hair from their heads and jump out through the windows, yelling "THIS CAN'T BE WORKING".

    Understand now?

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  20. In case of slashdotting by hhg · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Quoted from the page:

    PS1DRV parses a file called mc0:/BXDATA-SYSTEM/TITLE.DB (the X represents the
    PS2's region code) to load graphic parameters for the PS1 game that was loaded
    from the disc drive. There is a catastrophic buffer overflow in the parsing
    routine that allows one to overflow the stack and execute arbitrary code by
    rewriting the $RA register. If we load up our own TITLE.DB, with an entry for
    every PS1 disc that we want to trigger the exploit, then we can take over the
    PS2 boot process as soon as the disc is recognized and PS1DRV is executed.

  21. Re:Really? by Dids · · Score: 2, Informative

    Possibly because the Linux PS2 is sandboxed and prevents you getting at the majority of the PS2's features?


    Sorry but you must have bought the wrong kit...

    The only thing PS2 Linux prevents you from accessing is the IOP which is NOT the majority of the PS2's features.

    Even the diffences imposed by having a multi-user OS running on the machine are being dealt with by projects like SPS2.

    You should check your facts before posting stuff like that.
  22. So this hack allows what? by dancingmad · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So this hack would allow Backed up and Import games to run on an unmodded system? Basically all one needs is a USB/Mem card interface to put the files on a PS1 memcard and then use a legit PS1 game to boot the machine?

    I've got a stack of games from SE Asia that I would love to play on my PS2 and this hack seems like the most non-invasive way to do it.

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  23. Re:PostBlock(tm) eXPloit allows morons to cuss Rob by _KiTA_ · · Score: 2, Funny

    From now on, no slashdot posting while drunk, please.

  24. Re:Really? by WNight · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "An agreement of law", Are you drunk?

    One of the biggest problems with consoles and DVDs these days is that companies put region coding in them. If you live in a certain area of the world you get to play the games and watch the movies that they want you to, and no others.

    This is a hideous practice and we must all publicly flaunt our disobedience of it at every opportunity. Otherwise they'll sneak it beneath the radar of the masses and make it part of the international copyright agreements.

    Currently, region coding has no legal weight, though dishonest laws like the DMCA might have make bypassing it illegal in some jurisdictions.

    If you believe you have the right to use your possessions however and whereever you wish, fight dishonest companies who do this!

  25. Any uses besides software piracy? by Kunta+Kinte · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Are there any valid uses for this hack?

    You can already run Linux on the playstation by paying for the PS2 Linux kit at http://playstation2-linux.com/

    That kit allows you to run any code that you want to anyway. Plus getting one allows companies to see that there is a paying group of individuals that would like configurable/extensible electronic products.

    It's funny that many people criticize the software and media industry for promoting DRM and DMCA type laws, but then the same people turn around and promote/utilize cracks like this.

    What do you expect the companies to do? Sit there and watch this happen?

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  26. Re:Why? by ralico · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why do we do anything challenging and not particularly useful?

    Why do we climb the mountain, why do we run webservers on 6502 processors?
    Because its there, man, because its there.

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  27. Alternative for $29.98 by caouchouc · · Score: 2, Informative

    The sharkport is no longer available at the link you provided. You can get the x-port instead for $10 less.

  28. getting this working by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    you do not need linux or unix like some others have posted. you need ee-gcc - you can google it or if you're using win32 a direct link is here: http://www.thethirdcreation.net/tools/ps2DevEnviro nment.exe - just install that it sets up the dev environment for you. you'll need it to compile his tool.

  29. Re:Less about Linux by jtilak · · Score: 2, Interesting

    well ps2 games are dirt cheap now. greatest hits titles are only $20, used games are even cheaper. so there is no need to pirate games, in my opinion. personally i prefer to have the orignial discs with instructions etc. i guess i'm a video game collector. although most gamers just want to play the games for free and dont care if its a copy or the original.

    as far as running linux on ps2 i just think thats cool as hell. but i guess you have to be a geek to agree with that.

  30. Repeat after me: LEGAL IMPORTS by danaris · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As I've mentioned a couple of times before in this thread, I want to use this (and was planning to get a modchip) to play games I have legally imported from Japan. I know that many people won't believe me, and that, unfortunately, that won't be the primary use of this exploit, but I know of no law that prohibits running region-locked games out of their region. I realize that it's possible the DMCA covers this, but if so, it really shouldn't. I paid for the PS2, I paid for the game, so why the heck shouldn't I be able to run it?

    If this can really work (I haven't gotten the guy's code to compile, see one of my posts, above), it would be really great. I could use a $30 memory card reader/writer to let me play imported games, rather than a $100 modchip kit, which I would have to solder onto the PS2's motherboard. And those things look extremely fiddly.

    So, yes, there is at least one legitimate use. And the point of our opposition to the DMCA is not (at least not for anyone who would have any chance against it) "so I can keep pirating stuff." My argument against it is that it probably will allow Sony to sue anyone who uses this hack, whatever purpose they put it to. It stops you from using certain devices or processes because they could be used for piracy or copyright infringement, even if you would truly, honestly, never use them for that purpose.

    Dan Aris

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    1. Re:Repeat after me: LEGAL IMPORTS by andrewleung · · Score: 2, Informative

      if you're shelling out for "legal imports" of games, then you should shell out for a "legal imported" console to go with those games.

      there is NOTHING stopping you from using a Japanese PS2 in North America. Power, nope (it's all converted to DC at any Hertz and 120 to 100 is no much of a difference.) TV signals, it's all NTSC... accessories, all the same...

      so, there is nothing stopping you from having the imported PS2 console... if you can get the games "imported"... then you can get the console too.

      i live here and i did that for my DVD player... to play all my "legally imported" region 1 DVDs.

    2. Re:Repeat after me: LEGAL IMPORTS by HeghmoH · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I hacked my DVD player's firmware to play discs from any region. Please explain how that is not a legitimate use. It's my DVD player, and I'm not using it to play pirated discs or anything. Region controls are an artificial limitation imposed by manufacturers, and I have a perfect right to get around those limitations if I wish, and can.

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    3. Re:Repeat after me: LEGAL IMPORTS by danaris · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How about having to pay an extra $200-300 and have an extra box to worry about? I've already got a PS2, and it would have no problem running the code in a Japanese PS2 game, if the stupid region locking didn't prevent it from even realizing it's a PS2 game in the first place. I consider the region locking to be draconian, unnecessary, and certainly not a legal or moral hurdle, merely a technological one. It's only there to get the company more money.

      Dan Aris

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  31. It needs some work... by sycomonkey · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is just the beginning. Now that people know about this weakness it will be the focus of a lot of hacking to create a title.db that will run off of any game, thus meaning all you have to do is replace the file on a memory card (Is this a PS1 or PS2 memory card we're talking about?) and voila. Maybe even give us a nice "Insert unsigned disk now" prompt. Hopefully people will run with this, and it will turn out to be a lot less of a dirty hack in the end. The guy just rushed this out so it's understandable, but in time I think this will probably turn into something a lot more graceful if we're lucky.

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  32. DMCA, anyone? by dark-br · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yesterday,
    Algorithms programmed in any way
    Now it looks as though there's liabilit-ay
    And, it's 'cause of the D-M-C-A

    Suddenly,
    I'm not allowed to speak in C
    There's a shadow hanging over me
    Oh how D-M-C-A makes silence be

    How some bits do flow, you can't know,
    We couldn't say
    I said something wrong
    now I'm among, law D-M-C-A-ay-ay-ay

    Yesterday,
    "code" was such an easy game to play
    Now I need a place to hide away
    And, it's 'cause of the D-M-C-A

  33. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think you mean my system which I bought and paid for. So yes, I should be able to do what I want with it

    Please pay attention before replying. We're talking about their Linux distro. Sony is free to limit their software in whatever way they want, they are under absolutely no obligation to allow you access, through their software, to parts of the system they'd rather not have you muck with. If you want to utilize this hack to play around and explore, feel free, more power to ya, I agree that doing such a thing should not be illegal. But that is not what this thread is about.

    btw, I was going to insert the following text after I wrote "their" system:

    "their meaning that they designed it, since you obviously own it".

    Because I KNEW that someone would bring that up.

    This is a lame argument since the world abounds with systems that have software that limits your access to the underlying systems. How is this anything new?

  34. Re:Cool, run... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Lilo

    I suspect that there will eventually be a PS2 dashboard with functionality similar to EvoX on Xbox. By running unsigned code, you could probably initialize the PS2 HDD - or maybe even Firewire HDD(s) - and load a PS2 native menu with options for then loading Linux, your PS1/2 game backups, native emulators and media players, and homebrew games, demos, and applications. In some ways the Xbox might be better for this; it has newer and more powerful processors, more Ram, and the x86-based architechture is a familiar hardware and software environment to many developers. But the PS2 Firewire port in particular does seem full of potential.

  35. PC to PS2 USB link thingy by repvik · · Score: 2, Informative

    It might interest a few of you that there is a program available to use a USB-cable to screw around with the PS/2. It's available at naplink.napalm-x.com. Go wild :)

    1. Re:PC to PS2 USB link thingy by Mal+Reynolds · · Score: 2, Informative

      Seems to me it's not so good.

      It requires a very specific type of USB to USB cable...

      http://ps2dev.sourceforge.net/naplink/

      writing to a memory card requires another app as well, one that's beta and hasn't been updated in half a year.

      http://www.ps2newz.net/forums/printthread.php?thre adid=7852

      To top it off, there are mentions of having to use the "knife method", of disc-swap in order to get it working at all.

      http://ps2dev.org/kb/kb.asp?T=593

      And it requires a direct connect to a PC.

      Not that it's a bad app or anything. But for this use, a $30 memory card writer seems a better solution.

  36. A direct link... by henele · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A USB -> PS 1&2 memory card adapter from Lik Sang can be found here.

  37. How do I do this? by r4lv3k · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have PS2 linux, but the PS2 linux memory card drivers are crippleware, dunno how I'd write to the raw memory card from that environment. Do I need special hardware to program a PS1 memory card? Perhaps now a real PS2 linux distribution will be developed, that will unlock the full capability of the hardware. For example, under Sony's crippleware linux drivers, there is no support for ieee1394 or the hardware MPEG-2 codec. r4lv3k

  38. Re:Restrictions by Quasar1999 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Border, n: in C64, area of screen where no graphics can be displayed. Therefore it's the favourite place for all Commodore demoscene coders to display various graphics, causing engineers who designed it rip their hair from their heads and jump out through the windows, yelling "THIS CAN'T BE WORKING".

    The C64 wasn't restrictive. It allowed hackers (as in coders) to do whatever they could think of with the hardware. There were crazy optimizations where two instructions executed at once, 27 sprites could be displayed at once (the hardware is limited to 8), 240 colors could be displayed (the hardware was limited to 16), and not once did the commodore engineers come and say, "Stop doing that! It wasn't designed for that!"

    Fast forward 20 years, and take a look at major console manufacturers bitching if we exploit the hardware or software to install something they didn't intend.

    Heck, even being a developer, you can't do to modern consoles that you could do to the C64... To get an XDK, or PDK, you have to adhere to all sorts of restrictions about what you can and cannot do in your code (no fancy ASM hacking to do cool stuff)... what's the point? No wonder all we have is cookie-cutter games... Developers aren't allowed to innovate, unless it meets with Sony or Microsoft's predetermined vision... bah, gimme a modern day C64 dammit!

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  39. please stop blaming sony and ps2linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
    Okay.. let's post anonymously for obvious NDA reasons.. I'm not from sony, but i am both an official PS2 developper, and a ps2linux owner. And am terribly pissed-off by some comments.
    • PS2Linux distro, by itself, is a bit crappy, but anyway it is not designed to make the ps2 you webserver/x workstation/whatever. There are other distros (black rhino, debian based) if you want it (but anyway it is a bad idea with the cache-less 300 mhz mips core, and the pcmcia disk interface!). The distro has nothing to do with being able to launch RTE bootloader with or without a legally bought DVD!
    • PS2Linux is not something for everybody.. It's not to show your friends you're cool because you've recompiled your browser so it runs un your PS2. You can do it, but it's not its goal. It's something for hobbyist programmers.
    • I would have preferred not to have linux, because of the highly bloated nature of linux, or any high-level os, which is obviously not the best thing to work low level, as it is required for this console. This is not an anti-linux troll, i would have said that about any os. But they did port linux to the ps2 and it is a good thing, since this is the only official/legal development system for hobbyists on any available console, almost since the VCS ! And with some patches, for instance that allows you decent dma-able physical memory allocation, it starts being almost usable to do serious low-level stuff..
    • Can I remind you that ps2linux is totally open source. I can guarantee that the hardware manuals you get with the ps2linux kit are exactly the ones we get as professional developers (excluding minor typos / corrections in the updated ones). We don't have magic data from sony. That means, if there is a functionnality you want, like mpeg2 using IPU, CODE IT! You can, really...

    To summarize, stop blaming sony! They did a great thing by releasing ps2linux, and all the related info. That's impressive. You know, a few years ago, the hardware manuals where so secret that there was my company name printed across each page..

    PS2linux is far from perfect, but it is up to you to enhance it, because of its open source nature.

    And if you don't want to use linux, because of its bloat, there are even bootloader projects hosted on sony's own website(playstation2-linux.com) that allows you get raw low-level access.

    According to me, sony's biggest mistake was to target linux zealots, instead of focusing on console programming enthusiasts, as they did with yaroze. So they got a lot of disapointed customers... But if you want to do console programming, ps2linux is still a great thing, with lots of things to create (and that's the interesting part!).

  40. That's funny. by Inoshiro · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Its already a bit of a known fact that the large console markets are PS2 and XBOX."

    The PS2 has shipped 50,000,000 units. The Xbox and GameCube have both shipped 10,000,000 units.

    I don't understand how one 10,000,000 is smaller than another 10,000,000 enough to be considered equal to 50,000,000.

    Here's a well known fact: "well known facts" are often made up on the spot to support another argument, and make it look that much more believable.

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  41. You can't use it to run out-of-region/copied games by Aero+Leviathan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Calm down! First of all, if I understand correctly, this exploit takes a valid PSX game, stops it from booting, then loads 'any piece of code' _right off the memory card_. It does not provide for any sort of disc swap. This means you can not use it to load any game which the PS2 would not normally load; you can only load an .elf (I think) file which is _on the memory card_.

    Meaning this is only useful for _small_ homebrew apps.

    Second of all, it is unlikely this will ever be expanded to allow loading out-of-region/copied games. Sony uses a special copy-protection trick... as far as I know it involves a tiny sector in the beginning of a disc which has a checksum of zero. Inside this sector there is the data containing region information (should be impossible to contain any data if the checksum is zero, but it does). CD burners 'correct' this sector by writing the actual checksum, and hence PSX/PS2 games cannot be copied correctly. When you insert any disc into a PSX or PS2, the unmodified hardware checks that sector to see if the checksum is zero and if the region code is correct, and refuses to read any further data, _no matter what_, if that sector isn't just right. A mod chip works by injecting the correct data into the CPU at the right time.

    This means, even though you could use the exploit to read abritrary data off something other than the disc the console was going to read from, you can't read it from another disc: if you eject that valid disc and put in another, the PS2 is going to check that special sector. Unless I misunderstand something, this exploit _does not_ address that, and so you can only load code off a memory card. Maybe someone will come out with a way to load stuff off a hard drive with it, but it's unlikely you'll ever be able to load stuff off a different (invalid) disc.

    I should also point out that the terms 'signed' and 'unsigned' are possibly incorrect for this sort of thing, as the copy protection isn't really in the form of an encrypted key, per se... just a crazy sector containing simple data, with a checksum of zero.

    This is how it has been explained to me over the years by a variety of people and is AFAIK the generally accepted understanding of the Sony copy protection method. I have never worked for Sony so I cannot verify it. If you have any corrections here, feel free to speak up :)

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  42. Re:Restrictions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The c-64 games I wrote in the late eighties displayed over 40 flicker-free hardware sprites. The basic technique was to reposition the hardware position settings of each of the 8 hardware sprites with the raster interrupt. The tricky bit was sorting the raster lines for the handler (I used a bucket sort on the stack).

    When doing scrolling you set a bit to make the borders come in so you wouldn't see the scrolling characters just pop on. If you used the raster interrupt to set this off again when the raster scan was in this region, the whole border disappeared.

    I am doing equivalent hacks these days for the PS2, NGC and XBOX to get extra performance when I need it. Yes it is fancy ASM hacking - and no, they don't stop you doing it.

    The difference is that these aren't open platforms - which sucks. Hard.

  43. Re:You can't use it to run out-of-region/copied ga by jamonterrell · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As far as I can read you seem to be mostly correct with one exception. This will eventually get ironed out into being able to load a small executable from a memory card and executing it which will read drivers for an external dvdrom, cdrom, hard disk, or even network card and allow you to read your backup or out of region games from a different media. As far as I know the copy protection is on the side of the disc reading, but I could be wrong.

    Jamon

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  44. Re:You can't use it to run out-of-region/copied ga by Mal+Reynolds · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A cheap hard drive filled with downloaded game ISO's... Cheap, effective and probably better and faster than running the game from it's original media. Another possibility, running them from a networked computer holding the ISO's, probably slower though.

  45. Clarifications by mrossbrown · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I don't typically read or post on /. these days, but since you folks were so kind as to saturate my cable connection :P, I read through the comments and wanted to clarify a few things:

    • The hack does not enable or facilitate mass, rampant, or Carribean piracy of PS2 or PS1 software. The design of the PS2 thwarts software from patching the system so that the hardware copy/region protection fails.
    • I am aware that Sony will be furious over this release. I myself know that legally, I have not broken the law. I used clean room reversing techniques to find the exploit, and Open Source software to develop it. Also, the exploit does not circumvent any security measures in the PS2, this should be obvious since you need a legal PS1 disc to perform the hack in the first place.
    • Yeah, I interviewed for Sony and didn't get the job (it was for a position on SCEA's R&D team). Me getting turned down was not my motivation for releasing ps2id. The Sony folks that I've dealt with are very cool, they've always treated me with respect (their office in Foster City, CA is amazing too :P). I hope that SCE* continues to produce consoles as fun to hack as the PS2.
    • My primary motivation was in getting this in people's hands was so that the barriers that prevent all PS2 owners from experiencing what I experience (when I develop homebrew PS2 software, or use it) would be removed. My ulterior motive (heh, there is always one, isn't there?) was to try and land other console hacking jobs professionally.
    • Yeah, the initial release was very rushed, but some wily hacker came up with the mantra Release Early, Release Often :P. A couple of people have already submitted tutorials and save files for other memcard adapters, and a ton of people have offered to mirror the site. Testament to the power of Open Source, blah, blah, blah... :P. I will be updating the site within the next few days with all of this, and working on the next ps2id release.
    • Overall, I'd like to see all kind of fun apps come from this that average, gaming PS2 owners can use, not just hackers.

    Oh, about all the Linux posts: I've been developing a way to get ps2linux to boot without Sony's kit, and it will all tie into this. No ETA on that yet.

    Cheers to all who've stepped up with the positive posts.