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Standard Brewing For PC Card Replacement 'Newcard'

winston_pr writes "The details on the successor to the PC Card is starting to take form with details being given in this article at Nikkei Japan. The standard is scheduled to be finalized in 2003, while the first PCs with NEWCARD slots are expected to ship in the second half of 2004. Will this mean the end of all these crazy SD-card connection based peripherals?"

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  1. Summary! by RumpRoast · · Score: 5, Funny

    In new computers, things will be smaller and faster.

    Thanks!

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    1. Re:Summary! by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Insightful
      In new computers, things will be smaller and faster.

      No...

      In summary you will now have to ditch all your old grotty cards to get *NEW* cards! New Mobo, new cards, full employment, a chicken in every garage, etc. And you thought you actually had choice in these things?

      Further summarized...

      All your base are belong to us!

      Yes, this means crap like WinModems which may be the only choice for the new standard paint buyers further into a corner, as manufacturers could give a care less as they try to compete in a highly commoditized market.

      Whee.

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  2. crazy by Boromir+son+of+Faram · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Isn't this the wrong way to go about it? Usually the hardware is built and then the standard is derived from that, guaranteeing compatability. What if the standard requires something that turns out impossible to implement? Everything will be broken. We'd never have cool tech like FireWire, PCI, and SDRAM if hardware producers had to wait for a standard before they even started working on products.

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    1. Re:crazy by Trigun · · Score: 4, Informative

      The 'standard' is being built upon already established standards, specifically PCI express and USB 2.0. The connection interface will have to implement both, whereas the card itself will only have to implement one of the two.

      The remainder of the standard has to do with tolerances for the connection interface, something that should be standardized to prevent rogue cards burning out your bus, or creating too much interference. They also deal with size and shape, as well as trying to standardize the exection mechanism (although this is only a suggestion at this point).

  3. Why do we need PC cards anyhow by goombah99 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Can some informed person speculate as to what the purpose of a PC card is in the day of Firewire800? Does a PC card have better bus access or something? Is it a form factor issue (e.g. its not dangling but is sort of part of the laptop?) With laptops getting smaller and PC-cards tending to get larger and bulging outside the chasis, the form factor issue looks less distinct to me. so why PC cards?

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  4. Re:Yaaaay, lets make a NEW standard! Thatll solve by RazzleFrog · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is a new standard to replace the old standard being created by the same association (PCMCIA) as the old standard. This new standard will allow gigabit ethernet on a card and will be much slimmer than the old cards. They are also talking about making it built into slimline desktops.

  5. yeah, whatever... by TWX · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Most modern laptops seem to come with an array of smartmedia, compact flash, USB, Firewire, integrated 802.11, and integrated ethernet, so I don't see what the big deals is. Granted, it's nice to be able to swap things into the computer, bit if excessive numbers of dongles are going to be required, just give me the device in USB or firewire, and let the device be the dongle. That way I don't have to carry around this metal wafer-type box too.

    the only two PCMCIA devices that I use on my laptop regularly (which is two years old or more) is the wireless ethernet adapter, which doesn't have a dongle as such, and the compact flash reader, because the laptop is too old to have these features built in. Next unit I buy will probably have them integrated.

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  6. The card that most makers want... by blcamp · · Score: 5, Funny

    Someday, the peripheral that hardware and software makers may want on all PCs is the Credit Card reader.

    Want your next Windows Update? Please insert your Credit Card into the reader. What, this is Linux? SCO needs another swipe of your card, please.

    Why stop there? I can see it now: "CNN... the most trusted... and expensive... name in news."

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  7. More info: by cK-Gunslinger · · Score: 4, Informative
  8. NEWCARD??? by barureddy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't know about the rest of you, but I have not noticed the bandwidth limits of my pcmcia card. Granted I don't run a gig-bit ethernet, video equipment (firewire takes care of it), or scsi cards, but I don't use my laptop to do that kind of stuff. What I have noticed is the slowness of my laptop hard drive, which will not be able to handle all this new bandwith anyways. Though it is always nice to have more bandwith and smaller cards, there are more important things that need to addressed.

    P.S.
    I hope this NEWCARD uses less power.

  9. we need them because by abhisarda · · Score: 4, Insightful

    because there are millions of laptops that are not equipped with USB 2 ports. Thats why there are PCMCIA USB 2 cards.
    Many laptops have only 1 USB port( those made before 2002).
    If you already have a USB mouse, where can you plug in that webcam, USB external keyboard etc?
    Many laptops made before 2002 do not have Firewire ports. If you want to use the iPod and camcorders, you need a Firewire PCMCIA card.

    Take 56k modems and 10/100 ethernet ports. Again, older laptops do not have them onboard. You need PCMCIA cards for that.
    Then you have the case of wi-fi. Unless your laptop is a Centrino, there is no way of going wifi without a wireless card.

    Firewire 800 is "only" in the Macs now. It might come to the PC soon but it will take a while to come to laptops(~6 months). Firewire 400 is the norm for laptops.

  10. If I get a NEWCARD sound card... by BigBadBri · · Score: 4, Funny
    will it talk NewSpeak?

    Doubleplusgood!

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  11. Future Legal Issues by nurb432 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While that may be true today, dont be suprised if in the near future the 'homeland security' department will mandate you use 'approved hardware and software' before you can get online. And use of anything other will be considered criminal...

    Then watch it expand to other conutries..

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  12. Re:The end of multiple standards by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Will this mean the end of all these crazy SD-card connection based peripherals?

    No, of course not. It just adds one more peripheral standard.

    Also means getting another pocket or drawer hold more crap in. Smaller, yes, but more diverse.

    "Ah, this model uses Newcard and SD and has an adapter for PCMCIA so you can plug in another adapter for your CF card, blah, blah, blah."

    Funny how more octopus-like compact electronics get when you finally have everything hooked up to it.

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