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Standard Brewing For PC Card Replacement 'Newcard'
winston_pr writes "The details on the successor to the PC Card is starting to take form with details being given in this article at Nikkei Japan. The standard is scheduled to be finalized in 2003, while the first PCs with NEWCARD slots are expected to ship in the second half of 2004. Will this mean the end of all these crazy SD-card connection based peripherals?"
same as the old.
In new computers, things will be smaller and faster.
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http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/02/21/202
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0302/03022103pcmci
NEWCARD (development codename)
Yeah, we all know that when it's finalized they'll call it cardXP.In the future, all spacecraft will be made of cheese.
Isn't this the wrong way to go about it? Usually the hardware is built and then the standard is derived from that, guaranteeing compatability. What if the standard requires something that turns out impossible to implement? Everything will be broken. We'd never have cool tech like FireWire, PCI, and SDRAM if hardware producers had to wait for a standard before they even started working on products.
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Will this mean the end of all these crazy SD-card connection based peripherals?
No, of course not. It just adds one more peripheral standard.
JeR
Can some informed person speculate as to what the purpose of a PC card is in the day of Firewire800? Does a PC card have better bus access or something? Is it a form factor issue (e.g. its not dangling but is sort of part of the laptop?) With laptops getting smaller and PC-cards tending to get larger and bulging outside the chasis, the form factor issue looks less distinct to me. so why PC cards?
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This is a new standard to replace the old standard being created by the same association (PCMCIA) as the old standard. This new standard will allow gigabit ethernet on a card and will be much slimmer than the old cards. They are also talking about making it built into slimline desktops.
I hope they avoid similar problems that plagued ISA / PCI motherboards.
As I recall there were a lot of timing issues with the PCI / ISA bridge which affected system performance.
Most modern laptops seem to come with an array of smartmedia, compact flash, USB, Firewire, integrated 802.11, and integrated ethernet, so I don't see what the big deals is. Granted, it's nice to be able to swap things into the computer, bit if excessive numbers of dongles are going to be required, just give me the device in USB or firewire, and let the device be the dongle. That way I don't have to carry around this metal wafer-type box too.
the only two PCMCIA devices that I use on my laptop regularly (which is two years old or more) is the wireless ethernet adapter, which doesn't have a dongle as such, and the compact flash reader, because the laptop is too old to have these features built in. Next unit I buy will probably have them integrated.
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Someday, the peripheral that hardware and software makers may want on all PCs is the Credit Card reader.
Want your next Windows Update? Please insert your Credit Card into the reader. What, this is Linux? SCO needs another swipe of your card, please.
Why stop there? I can see it now: "CNN... the most trusted... and expensive... name in news."
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Hmmm so PCMCIA cards are being phased out next year .. and PCI slots are already on the gone list for next year ( express PCI ) ...
I guess they need to make everything obsolete to sell more hardware and keep the PC market afloat.
Next round of software will be the same: It will require some special hardware components only available in the new machines ( can you say 'trusted computing'? )
Bah.
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It's a pet peeve of mine when people call something the New Whatever. It sounds like it is planned for obsolesce. Like they don't think anyone will use the standard or equipment after 3 years.
I don't know about the rest of you, but I have not noticed the bandwidth limits of my pcmcia card. Granted I don't run a gig-bit ethernet, video equipment (firewire takes care of it), or scsi cards, but I don't use my laptop to do that kind of stuff. What I have noticed is the slowness of my laptop hard drive, which will not be able to handle all this new bandwith anyways. Though it is always nice to have more bandwith and smaller cards, there are more important things that need to addressed.
P.S.
I hope this NEWCARD uses less power.
Heh, so much for RTF! I saw the words "Standard Brewing" in the subject and without bothering to read further immediately clicked through to a story I thought was going to be about one of my favourite subjects - beer! I was not amused ...
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PCs have stayed pretty much the same because the majority of PC owners want something upgradable, and something they can fix themselves without a 200x jewelers loupe and nerves of steel.
Various folks have tried the iMac concept, IBMs little goofy thingamajoo comes to mind (was it the S series?) People dont have a problem with the standard sized box, and slots they can use.
MicroPCs have their place, and that niche will expand. But I cant see any reason I would want my main desktop to be anything but what it is, something I can put together and take apart by myself without a lot of headache.
I've built a couple flexATX form factor PCs for my kids, and they're fun, but it's a bitch to work even that small, I wouldnt want to work with anything much smaller. My big tower desktop, I can replace a video card or add a HDD in about 2 minutes.
If it ain't broke, dont fix it.
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Did anyone else read the headline and think this was about some kind of peripheral that calibrates beer-making machines?
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I did not get further than "Standard Brewing" before I thought of RFC 2324, namely the Hyper Text Coffee Pot Control Protocol.
Step one create a new standard and milk the licensing as long as your can.
Step two repeat step one.
Floppy disk: $.10
CD-R: $.50
256 MB SD Card: $50
Wifi PCMIA card: $50
Having to keep up with the standards: priceless
For everything else, there is NewCard
That really is the purpose of the newcard. Plug and play peripherals which can plug in on the desktop, while the rest of the PC is located under the desktop.
From the article:The concept for the NEWCARD Console, an external peripheral allowing expansion cards to be swapped in and out easily, was also shown. The idea is to have only the display, keyboard, mouse and NEWCARD Console on the desktop, with the PC main unit made as small as possible and stored under the desk or otherwise out of the way.
because there are millions of laptops that are not equipped with USB 2 ports. Thats why there are PCMCIA USB 2 cards.
Many laptops have only 1 USB port( those made before 2002).
If you already have a USB mouse, where can you plug in that webcam, USB external keyboard etc?
Many laptops made before 2002 do not have Firewire ports. If you want to use the iPod and camcorders, you need a Firewire PCMCIA card.
Take 56k modems and 10/100 ethernet ports. Again, older laptops do not have them onboard. You need PCMCIA cards for that.
Then you have the case of wi-fi. Unless your laptop is a Centrino, there is no way of going wifi without a wireless card.
Firewire 800 is "only" in the Macs now. It might come to the PC soon but it will take a while to come to laptops(~6 months). Firewire 400 is the norm for laptops.
Doubleplusgood!
oh brave new world, that has such people in it!
Theres more to the video card than just the GPU, you'd need a new RAMDAC for higher resolutions and faster refresh rates and whatnot, and the memory interfaces video cards use get faster and faster, so that's probably not practical.
But I'm with you in concept.
I've always wondered why the northbridge and southbridge cant be socketed. What technically would prevent me from pulling the SiS 645dx chip out of the computer I'm using now, replace it with a pin compatable 648 that will let me use the fancy new HT enabled processors?
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While that may be true today, dont be suprised if in the near future the 'homeland security' department will mandate you use 'approved hardware and software' before you can get online. And use of anything other will be considered criminal...
Then watch it expand to other conutries..
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This is a great naming scheme! I hope whoever came up with this name in the Marketing dept. got a good raise...
NEWCARD 2 years later
NEWERCARD soon
NEWESTCARD and then
NEWERTHANTHENEWESTCARD after that
BRANDSPANKINNEWCARD a while later
SHINYNEWCARD eventually
NEWASCANBECARD
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Am I the only one craving a coconut brownie after all this talk about Coconut Trees?
Why are all these standards created behind closed doors? They should get more input from users of their hardware.
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