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Ocean Sponge May Be Best for Fiber Optics

TheViffer writes "ABC News is reporting that scientists say they've identified an ocean sponge, living in the darkness of the deep sea, that grows thin glass fibers capable of transmitting light better than industrial fiber optic cables used for telecommunication. 'You can actually tie a knot in these natural biological fibers and they will not break - it's really quite amazing,' said Joanna Aizenberg, who led the research at Bell Laboratories."

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  1. For all our technology by The+Munger · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Once again, nature outdoes our best attempts at copying it.

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  2. 7 inches long! by killthiskid · · Score: 5, Funny
    The sponge grows in deep water in the tropics. It is about a foot and a half tall with an intricate silica mesh skeleton that also serves as a home for shrimp. The glass fibers form a crown at its base that appear to help anchor the sponge to the ocean floor. The fibers are about 2 to 7 inches long and each is about the thickness of a human hair.

    Cool, fiber optics up to 7 inches long! That'll be effective! I can finally connect my computer to... uhh... to my uhh... what the hell, 7 inches! WTF!

    1. Re:7 inches long! by spun · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Um, I know this was meant as joke, but the point is that the sponge makes the fibers at low temperatures, doped with sodium, and if materials engineers could figure out how, they could precisely control the physical and optical properties of manmade fibers.

      We need a new acronym for "Read the WHOLE freakin' article." RTWFA, man, RTWFA

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    2. Re:7 inches long! by Kibo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Worthless as an industrial product, yes. Worthless as a teaching example, that we can use our considerable tool making prowess to expand on? Not by a long shot.

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    3. Re:7 inches long! by wolrahnaes · · Score: 5, Funny

      I did FTFA article...

      FTFA?

      Hmm...

      RFTA = Read The Fucking Article...
      FTFA = Fuck The Fucking Article?

      LOL i know it was just a typo, but it's still funny, especially with a subject of "7 inches long!" ;)

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    4. Re:7 inches long! by McAddress · · Score: 4, Funny
      Cool, fiber optics up to 7 inches long! That'll be effective! I can finally connect my computer to... uhh... to my uhh... what the hell, 7 inches! WTF!

      I got an email today addressing this issue. Naturally increae size

    5. Re:7 inches long! by Stonent1 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Cool, fiber optics up to 7 inches long! That'll be effective! I can finally connect my computer to... uhh... to my uhh... what the hell, 7 inches!

      Bluetooth watch out!

  3. Ahh yes.. this brings back child hood memories. by matth · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hrmm... what lives in a pineapple under the sea... sponge bob fiber light... wait no.. er... DOH!

  4. Copying nature? by User+956 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Are we still allowed to copy nature? I thought reverse engineering was made illegal under the DMCA.

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    1. Re:Copying nature? by mark-t · · Score: 4, Funny
      Nature was benevolent enough to put her stuff in the public domain.

      God, however, is another story.

    2. Re:Copying nature? by Nucleon500 · · Score: 3, Funny
      This just in!

      In a recent press release, SCO has claimed that Linux, Windows, and, yes, even Nature herself are violating its IP. "Our pattern recognition experts, after verifying our Linux ownership, found that Windows is basically Linux sans fork(2), so we clearly own it too," says Darl McBride, SCO's CEO and intellectual property rights advocate. "But the real breakthrough was when we found crabs were finding shells with algorithms that we own."

      "It turns out that when crabs outgrow their shell, they look in ('iterate through,' in programmer's lingo) a pile ('array') of shells, and when they find one that fits, they move in," explains Yahkee group analyst and industry visionary Laura DiDio. "Although Nature's algorithm is implemented as a neural net, it has been copied line by line from SCO's malloc code. It's time people realized that while a free, massively parallel, evolving population looks good on paper, it needs to face the reality, which is that SCO will enforce it's rights."

      Open source advocates point out that crabs had perfected their algorithm long before SCO existed, but McBride says he owns the rights, because of an ammendment letter God sent him that nobody can find. He also says that although Caldera released the crab algorithm under the old BSD license, crabs do not include the copyright notice, and besides, SCO has "absolutely no idea what it's doing."

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  5. Great... by MoThugz · · Score: 3, Funny

    yet another specie we can drive to extinction in the name of technology.

    But seriously, won't this sponge smell funny especially when trunking it in dark and dry spaces like under floorings?

    Just a thought.

  6. Space or oceans? by BWJones · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Now, this is the sort of thing that makes you wonder why we spend so little effort studying our oceans. While I am all for space exploration and research, we should also spend considerably more effort to understand what is in our oceans, how they work and what effects we are having on them.

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    1. Re:Space or oceans? by Qrlx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      to understand what is in our oceans, how they work and what effects we are having on them.

      The oceans certainly contain many great mysteries. However, the effect we're having on it is pretty clear: destroy and degrade it with pollution. Algae blooms, dying coral, overfishing. We are slowly killing/pillaging the oceans, which doesn't seem to bother anyone enough to stop doing it. (Though occasionally we decide to do it less.) Hey, we don't live there anymore, not our problem!

    2. Re:Space or oceans? by BWJones · · Score: 5, Informative

      Bottom line, idiot, is that humankind has absolutely no effect on the ocean compared to what the earth itself and the sun dish out.

      Oh, boy.....here we go.

      Imagine the sun flared. Just a little one. What could happen to the earth?

      The sun flares all the time. Our atmosphere and the ozone layer protect us.

      Why, the entire atmosphere could be blown away, and the oceans could dry up. The deserts would turn to glass. All from a small solar flare.

      *Sigh.......* No. This is not correct. See above comment for clarification.

      What about a volcano? How many megatons of carbon dioxide and other noxious chemicals does that dump into the atmosphere, not to mention the pollution in the oceans?

      CO2 release into the oceans is common and the CO2 flux is truly massive. However, what we need to worry about are some of the non-naturally occurring chemicals such as estrogens and chemicals found in fertilizers and run off from mining such as cyanides. We also have to worry about what is happening from all of the nuclear reactors that the former Soviet union has dumped into the sea among other things.

      The algae blooms are there because the sun put them there. We had nothing to do with it.

      Wrong. Human intervention most likely primarily from excess nitrogens are at the root of many of these. Other causes are world wide shipping, which carries algae to new homes in water contained in ballast tanks, global warming, and pollution draining into the oceans from coastal development and farmland, which provides again nitrogenous compounds essential for algae metabolism.

      You are an idiot. spouting out half-truths and whining about it.

      There is no call for that sort of treatment. Lighten up, eh?

      Go crack a real science book, not the pseudo-crap they are passing off in high school today.

      Your credentials are what?

      Go take a look at how much water there is in the ocean, and try and figure out how much pollution we could actually dump in there if we really tried. You'll see that we would have barely any effect at all.

      Many, many studies are being performed on just this and the results are sobering.

      And how do you pillage the ocean? The natural resources in the ocean are going to die anyway. Rather than allowing the fish to float to the bottom of the ocean and rot and pollute the ocean, we are harvesting the excess every year so that we can feed a starving world. How is that pillaging?

      With a comment like this, I am not even sure where to start. Is this a troll? You can't be serious....... :-[

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  7. How Did They Figure This Out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    EE 1: We need a better fiberoptic cable.
    EE 2: Let's look at organisms deep in the ocean!
    EE 1: That's just crazy enough to work!

  8. More fracture resistant than commercial fibers by Phiz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The paper in Nature about on this research says the sponge fibers are more fracture resistant than commercial fibers because of a layer of organic ligands at the fiber's exterior. Now if we can just genetically engineer them to grow a few hundered miles in length...

  9. So... by paul248 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Does anyone know where I can pick up some Athlon seeds?

  10. Re:Hint for Bell Labs researchers. by SmackCrackandPot · · Score: 4, Funny

    But do they glow in the dark in slowly changing multi-colored patterns. That's the important thing.

  11. I wonder.... by Penguin+Follower · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... if scientists could reproduce what the sponges are doing synthetically in a lab. This way we could have our new form of fiber optic without killing tons of sponges.

    1. Re:I wonder.... by way2trivial · · Score: 5, Funny
      and if they could reproduce what spiders do, we'd have a skyhook and lightweight bulletproof jackets. and the brookly bridge suspension cables would be as thick as a pencil

      and if they could reproduce what bees' do, a flying machine that weighs half a gram and sees what's going on.

      and if they could synthesize what chickens do, you could eat things out of my ass

      just that we know it exists, doesn't mean it can be synthesized (ot should be)

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  12. Why by slasher_14 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Nature does things for a reason...I wonder why this creature uses fibre optic to anchor itself to the ocean floor. I doubt it is using the fibre optic to communicate...Perhaps it is using it because it happens to also be very flexible and strong at the same time, the fact that it could also be used for transporting light is a co-incidence.

  13. Spongebob Glasspants? by spun · · Score: 4, Funny

    Who makes fiberglass cables under the sea?
    SPONGEBOB GLASSPANTS!
    Flexible, clear, with sodium has he.
    SPONGEBOB GLASSPANTS!
    If flexible fibers be something you wish,
    Dive under the ocean and look for some fish!

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    1. Re:Spongebob Glasspants? by deathcow · · Score: 3, Funny

      classic episode...!!

      Donovan: Atlanta was a city, landlocked, Hundreds of miles from the area we now call the atlantic ocean.

      Yet so desperate the city's desire for tourism That they moved offshore, becoming an island and an even bigger delta hub, Until the city overdeveloped and it started to sink.

      Knowing their fate, the quality people ran away: Ted Turner, Hank Aaron, Jeff Foxworthy, the guy who invented Coca Cola, the magician And the other so-called gods of our legends, though gods they were, And also Jane Fonda was there. The others chose to remain behind on their porches with their rifles And one day evolving to mermaids and sing and dance and ring in the new.

      Everyone: Hail Atlanta!

  14. Looting nature by Mittermeyer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is why we shouldn't just cream the biosphere- who knows how many absolutely cool techs lurk under the rocks.

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  15. Great, now Verizon... by twoallbeefpatties · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...now Verizon customer service is gonna be all, "Sorry, sir, it will take a week for us to replace the sponge."

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  16. Re:Over fishing Risk? by sholden · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Of course you wouldn't harvest them for their 2 to 7 inch long bits of fibre optic.

    You try and replicate the process the sponges use. It at least shows it is possible to make the stuff at cold temperatures, which as the article states (which you obviously didn't bother comprehending, and probably reading) makes doping the glass easier.

  17. But SCO owns it! by SHEENmaster · · Score: 3, Funny

    SCO recently copyrighted Walrus DNA, and both creatures use the pattented Symmetric Multi-Cell technology.

    Anyone using a sea sponge better pay up and admit their blatent violation of others' IP.

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  18. Re:Yeah but by Aadain2001 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Have you thought that if we can figure a way to grow these ourselves, quickly and cheaply, that this would be what brings fiber to your doorstep? It's not cheap to make a spool of fiber cable right now, but what if we can just flip a few genetic switches in some sponges in a lab and have them start growing these things by the miles? Or even better, we learn how they make the glass, and duplicate it industrially. I can only see good things comin from this (well, maybe not for the sponge with a 3 mile long glass strand growing out of its ass, but it's a sponge, I doubt anyone at PETA will come calling on it's behalf).

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  19. I think Steven Wright said it best: by EvilFrog · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Sponges grow in the ocean. That kills me. Make's me wonder how much deeper it'd be if that didn't happen."

  20. We probably have a while to go by mao+che+minh · · Score: 4, Insightful
    After discovering that spider silk was pound for pound much stronger then any man made synthetic, elastic material, scientists took over a decade to emulate it (and even then not quite as good).

    Considering that these sponges aren't exactly easy to find (like orb spiders), the research should take much longer. But my oh my, imagine the applications: fiber that is as durable as ethernet. Wow.

  21. Re:Yeah but by tessaiga · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Actually, the reason you don't have fiber up to your doorstep has more to do with the high cost of digging up your street in order to get it there. This isn't really feasible except maybe in new neighborhoods. Fiber's actually pretty cheap these days, especially compared to other equipment costs like switches and ADMs.

    The other problem right now is the high cost of components such as tunable lasers. Even if every home had fiber, it'd cost a lot more to equip your computer with an optical network card. The average Joe Public won't get enough use out of the extra bandwidth (yet) to justify the cost of buying the hardware. This would be true regardless of whether your fiber was made out of sand or sponges.

    Although, if someday networks did come to be made out of organic sponges, it'd be funny to see people be forced to remember to water their internet connections or be disconnected :)

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  22. what I really want to know is... by confusion · · Score: 3, Funny

    what made them try?
    "Hey Bob, we got another load of crap from the bottom on that trawl. want me to throw it overboard?"
    "Nah, let's try hooking part of it up to our router and see what happens!"

    Those clever scientists never cease to amaze me.

  23. Bending Fibre Optics by ajs318 · · Score: 3, Informative

    The thing about bending fibre optics that nobody ever points out, is that if you bend even an infinitely-elastic fibre optic through too tight a curve, then you will get light leakage.

    Fibre optics work on the principle of total internal reflection. The angle at which the light strikes the interface between glass and air is too shallow for it to get refracted out into the air, so instead it bounces off. As far as a beam of light is concerned, a length of fibre optic is just like a tube whose inside walls have a perfect mirror finish.

    If you put a tight enough bend into the fibre, then the light will no longer be striking at an unrefractable angle, and therefore will escape. {You can try this with cheap 1mm. acrylic fibre if you remove the outer jacket and warm it in a pan of boiling water}.

    Now, glass fibres exhibit very nice thermoplastic behaviour, and can actually be bent without breaking to tighter radii than acrylic. Unfortunately, they begin leaking light long before they break .....

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