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Skulls Gain Virtual Faces

rw2 writes "Totally cool, The guys at Max Planck Institute for Computer Science have developed a way to reconstruct a persons appearence when a skull is found. When police find a skull and want to know what its owner looked like, they generally use artists who reconstruct the face by building up layers of clay over the skull."

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  1. Oooh! by bo0ork · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can't wait to see what that skeleton that hangs in the biology class lab looked like when it was alive!

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    1. Re:Oooh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      so.. Michael Jackson then?

    2. Re:Oooh! by hesiod · · Score: 4, Funny

      > No, the one in my class had a normal looking nose.

      I thought most skeletons didn't have noses...

    3. Re:Oooh! by Captain+Large+Face · · Score: 4, Funny

      I can't wait to see what Skeletor looks like. But I already have my suspicions...

    4. Re:Oooh! by theedge318 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You should have watched the Nefertiti Special that was on the (Discovery Channel/TLC ?). It was very cool ... this one Egyptologist that specializes in wigs, saw a wig in a museum ... figured out the time period/gender/social status and surmised that it could have been Nefertiti's. She then got permission to enter the tomb where it was found.

      The long and the short ... the show was a bit drawn out ... but they x-rayed the skeleton, shipped it off to a school in England (Nottingham I believe) ... where they blindly (with no a priori knowledge that they would be comparing it against Nefertiti's statue) reconstructed the face from the X-rays.

      The end result was suprisingly close ... especially when you consider that the statue is an artists rendition.

      What really annoyed me was that the producers of the show did a side by side of the CG head and the statue ... and they rotated them at different speeds ... so I had to use the my homebrew PVR just to pause it when the two heads lined up.

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  2. Pretty neat by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They've been doing this on every discovery channel special on mummies I've seen for the last year.

    Most recently the Nefertiti one that I watched just the other night.

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    1. Re:Pretty neat by Smallpond · · Score: 3, Interesting


      Most earlier reconstructions are done by artists with clay. On Nova about 6 years ago they showed how to build up from a skull.

      1. Glue on pencil erasers to set the skin thickness
      2. Cover with modeling clay to make the features using the erasers as a guide.
      3. ???

      You know the rest.

    2. Re:Pretty neat by Fizzlewhiff · · Score: 5, Funny

      1. Glue on pencil erasers to set the skin thickness
      2. Cover with modeling clay to make the features using the erasers as a guide.
      3. ???

      You know the rest.

      4. Profit ?

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  3. Soviet Mobs? by SHEENmaster · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Doesn't the Russian Mafia use base solutions to desolve "enemies", letting their flesh run down the drain, leaving only bones?

    The real reason is to identify McBride's remains after his speech at Defcon.

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    1. Re:Soviet Mobs? by Soko · · Score: 3, Funny

      Actually in McBride's case, I'm waiting for them to find a way to reconstruct what's inside his skull, not outside. That may fall outside the prevue of real science, however.

      Soko

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    2. Re:Soviet Mobs? by Slack3r78 · · Score: 4, Funny

      You have somehow managed to make references to Soviet Russia, the word "base", and SCO as well as twist your sentence structure without anyone cracking any of the standard jokes. Am I on the right Slashdot? ;)

  4. Re:sounds useful by Trigun · · Score: 3, Funny

    Why stop at monkeys? Do you know how many gibbons get murdered and decapitated every day, only to be identified as "Gibbon" and put on display in museums until someone can make a positive identification? If we could talk these lower primates into visiting their dentist more often, we would be able to more accurately identify these poor John Gibbon Does.

    You want to ask a real question next?

  5. Old news. Like, 3,000 years old. by RobertB-DC · · Score: 4, Informative

    Interesting article, but just this weekend I watched a special on the Discovery Channel that included this very technique. The cable channel's Nefertiti Resurrected special climaxed with a computer-generated rendering of the "mystery" mummy's face, based on the skull and average tissue thickness at key points. They even noted that the technique was "much faster than traditional clay-sculpture reconstruction"... just like the referenced article.

    Jump here to see the results.

    By the way, I recommend watching the show. Call me superficial, but I liked the look of the actress who played the doomed queen -- especially her dark skin and freckles. Egypt gets a lot of sun, and SPF 45 was still about 2,900 years away. Much more convincing than Yul Brenner, and a darn sight better looking.

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    1. Re:Old news. Like, 3,000 years old. by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Funny

      The reconstruction scenes were silly!

      Do you think Nefertiti and Akenaten sat silently next to each other, slowly turning at regular intervals to give each other shifty eyed knowing glances?

      And did you see that one priest dude with the leapord skin shawl and the GIGANTANORMOUS AFRO! The Afro was bigger than him! He was the pimpinest ancient egyptian I ever did see.

      And I liked that the whole conclusion that they had found nefertiti was based on "If its not Nefertiti, who else could it be?" Gee I dunno, maybe one of the other BAJILLION people who lived in egypt?

      Anyways. I cant stay mad at TV. I just wish they'd stick to CGI dinosaurs.

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    2. Re:Old news. Like, 3,000 years old. by penguin7of9 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I liked the look of the actress who played the doomed queen [...] Much more convincing than Yul Brenner, and a darn sight better looking.

      Well, unless Nefertiti was a drag queen, it is perhaps not all that surprising that Yul Brynner didn't make a convincing Nefertiti.

  6. 16:40 EST, slashdotted... by dnoyeb · · Score: 3, Funny

    This can not be the case. This is getting rediculous.

    Were going to have to start diseminating slashdot stories on a staggered Timezone based schedule.

  7. Missing details by GreenCrackBaby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While this is a very cool idea, the article was missing a few details. For example, did they try it out on actual skulls and see how close they came to the former owner of that skull?

    This last little bit of the article doesn't exactly sell this new technology:
    ' The current prototype figures suffer a problem common to computer-generated faces, said Evison "They look ridiculously mannequin-like."'

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  8. How accurate is it? by Iron+Monkey543 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How do youo know if the person was a bit overweight and had a double chin or big cheeks? I know I looked ALOT different when I gained about 20 pounds and kept it for a few months till I couldn't afford pizza buffets anymore.

    Also, how can a skull help you determine the shape of the person's eyebrows or the shape of their eyes? And they can't use race as a factor because I know alot of caucasians with various eye shapes.

    1. Re:How accurate is it? by LaMuk · · Score: 5, Informative

      30 years ago when I was an Anthropology major, some of my professors built faces back for the Las Vegas police. Sometimes they would start with a skeleton that had been shattered into small pieces.

      They were very good about telling age, sex, and race.

      They taught us how it was done. Not that I remember much now. But the amount of tissue on the bones is figured out by how thick the bones got a t insertion points. The thicker the bones, the heavier the load.

      Sex is easiest to tell by the pelvic bones, but also can be determined by size and shape of face bones. Size helped determine race. It got a little tricky if the bones were small. Was it because the person was female or Asian?

      Still they were really good at it and their work identified victims of murders.

  9. Jaw bone lifestyle by swtaarrs · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This sounds interesting, but sometimes this reconstruction thing can be taken way too far. I saw a special on either the Discovery Channel or TLC where they found half of a lower jaw bone. From this, they reconstructed the rest of the jaw. Then they reconstructed the rest of the face and head. Then they figured out his eating habits. Then from those eating habits they figured out the whole lifestyle of this guy, from only his jaw bone.... It was interesting but didn't seem very believable.

  10. Not Scientific by lawpoop · · Score: 4, Interesting
    We covered facial reconstructions in one of my archaeology classes. Basically it's guesswork and artistic interpretation.

    Sure you have the facial bones, but you have no idea how thick their muscles were, how fleshy their skin was, lip size, what their eyebrows were like, eye color, eyelid characteristics.

    There was one study where they gave the same skull model to five different artists and they got back 5 very different heads.

    The only way you could to this accurately would be to decode any DNA you find and grow their face, virtually (or in some vat -- yech). The technology is a long way off, needless to say.

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  11. CSI?!?! by thebatlab · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is not new. Doesn't anybody watch CSI? With the aid of computer technology they are able to zoom in on images taken from blurry security cameras to be able to tell if there is a carpet fiber on the jacket of the person in the very same picture! I'm sure they're able to fully rebuild a complete person from just the skeletal structure, muscles and all. They can probably interpolate from marks on the skeleton and thanks to that guy that knows everything he could probably help out b/c chances are he knew the guy. TV wouldn't lie to me!! Would it...?? *cowers in the corner*

  12. Even genetics isn't going to help you. by Thag · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The person is also going to look much different based on the climate, diet, amount of exercise, probably even occupation and social class to some extent.

    Jon Acheson

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  13. So... by docbrown42 · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...we will finally be able to see what Calista Flockhart REALLY looks like?

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  14. Reanimating the Dead by rpiquepa · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I also covered this subject today on my blog where I gave some additional references, including an illustration of a face reconstruction process.

    And remember that this software was shown during last Siggraph. New Scientist published "Animation lets murder victims have final say" on this work about two weeks ago with a nice illustration, "How the dead can express themselves."

    In "Skulls gain virtual faces," Technology Research News didn't give much more information.