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NTT Verifies Diamond Semiconductor Operation At 81 GHz

Anonymous Coward writes "This story over at eetimes.com reports of a semiconductor made of diamond that is able to run at 81 GHz." Mmmm, foreshadowing.

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  1. Gamer Heaven...er Hell by Whitecloud · · Score: 5, Funny

    Should be able to run Doom III.... heh.

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    1. Re:Gamer Heaven...er Hell by Gherald · · Score: 5, Funny

      Perhaps it will. But the article doesn't have any any Quake III Arena FPS benchmarks!

      What's up with that!?

    2. Re:Gamer Heaven...er Hell by HillBilly · · Score: 3, Funny

      Probably still need to over clock, with water-cooling, turning the details down a bit could help to.

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    3. Re:Gamer Heaven...er Hell by randyest · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The fine article is not clear on this, just saying that they made "a chip" (which can be a lot of things.) In any case, I'm sure this isn't a x86 chip. Most likely a RF device. 0.2um in 3mm^2 aint much, definitely not enough for an x86. Not even a 286.

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    4. Re:Gamer Heaven...er Hell by IWannaBeAnAC · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sure, they just say "FET device". Possibly just a single FET. Early days yet, it is a long way to get from a single transistor to a microprocessor. The more immediate applications for this are high power high frequency devices which currently still use vacuum tubes.

  2. Mmmmm... by hdparm · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...should we start imagining Beowulf clusters of these?

    1. Re:Mmmmm... by randyest · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Er, yeah, if you want a massive cellphone booster or something. This is definitely not a general purpose processor (CPU), 0.2um gates in 3mm^2 is insufficient density and area to make any kind of decent CPU (maybe an 8-bit PIC, which even a cluster of is weak by today's standards).

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  3. Geeks want to know... by serps · · Score: 5, Funny

    So, will these new chips be free as in speech, or free as in De Beers?

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    1. Re:Geeks want to know... by sekzscripting · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I forget where it was posted (Wired I think, I searched and couldn't find it), but there was a story posted about manufacturing 'fake' diamonds that have no defects and such, so the answer to your question is: Cheap as in Top Ramen. Also, if you have figured this out already - our 'speech' isn't really that 'free' anymore.

    2. Re:Geeks want to know... by sekzscripting · · Score: 2, Informative

      Edit: I should have read the 'article' on slashdot instead of just clicking the link. Sigh, I'm an idiot :(

    3. Re:Geeks want to know... by dakryx · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I remember a Nova special about manufactured diamonds and how GM finally got the large ones made with no defects. A trip from a Debeers exec and the operation was shutdown and people were released. Back to the industrial diamond business!

    4. Re:Geeks want to know... by GoRK · · Score: 5, Informative

      Negative; the GM operation was shut down because all they could produce cheaply with their hydraulic presses was diamond powder. They actually were to the point where they could make contiguous crystalline structures bigger than dust; however, the cost far exceeded that of the DeBeers extortion and international crime fee diamonds. Though GM abandoned the project for purely financial reasons, I'm sure that DeBeers was happy about it nonetheless.

    5. Re:Geeks want to know... by Trinition · · Score: 4, Informative

      There was an article in the most recent Pop Sci or Discover (I can't remember which) abotu two companies that have successfully made large-karat diamonds synthetically. One company in Florida, Gemology I think, hastered the hydraulic press and can produce a 3-karat diamond, with few flaws, for $100. Another company out of Boston, I believe, uses a plasma deposition method that produces better-than-nature flawless diamonds... 3k for $15. And this latter process promises to be able to deposit not just chunks (i.e. jewelry), but wafers (i.e. semiconductors!)

      Of course, the preseident of the latter of the two companies was at a diamond conference and was told by a DeBeers fellow that what he was doign was a good way to get a bullet in the head!

    6. Re:Geeks want to know... by danila · · Score: 4, Informative

      Wired 11.09: The New Diamond Age discussed on Slashdot earlier. Actually the link to the eariler /. story was posted above under "foreshadowing".

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    7. Re:Geeks want to know... by BJZQ8 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Is it just me, or are these international diamond cartels very, very nefarious organizations? They maintain their monopoly status by threats, murder and extortion...all the while sitting on stocks of millions of diamonds that they "release" to the public as demand sees fit. If it was any other commodity industry, diamonds would be 1/100th of the price they are now...but since they are "allowed" to monopolize them, we get this artificially inflated situation. And yes, I agree wholeheartedly that it is a tradegy that human behavior is twisted to the point that we "need" to have a piece of compressed African dirt on our fingers to feel love.

    8. Re:Geeks want to know... by rev063 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Is it just me, or are these international diamond cartels very, very nefarious organizations?

      Yes, they are. Or rather, it is: De Beers is the only one of any significance. This article about the "Diamond Invention" has been posted to Slashdot before, and despite being written in 1982 is just as true today. The myth that diamonds are valuable was created by De Beers early last century, and they have been able to maintain that myth through the virtue of being a thuggish monopoly.

      Don't buy diamonds. For our wedding bands, we chose unadorned titanium. :)

  4. Hmm. by sekzscripting · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Does anyone know how hot these things will get?

    1. Re:Hmm. by wass · · Score: 4, Informative

      well, one of diamond's characteristics is high thermal conductivity, so presumably generated heat could easily be carried away with heat-sinking technologies.

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    2. Re:Hmm. by randyest · · Score: 2, Informative

      From the fine article:

      It is targeting devices with an operating frequency of 200 GHz and an output power of 30 W/mm.

      That's the output (RF, I assume) power of the chip. Not the total power consumption/dissipation of the device, which I would guess would be more like 200-100W. Serious cooling is necessary, of course, but I hear the diamond doesn't vary nearly as much with temperature as Si does, so heat is less of a problem.

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    3. Re:Hmm. by Zocalo · · Score: 4, Funny
      Serious cooling is necessary, of course, but I hear the diamond doesn't vary nearly as much with temperature as Si does, so heat is less of a problem.

      I don't know about that. I'm sure I'd be somewhat wary of having one of these chips in a laptop dissipating 30W/mm a few inches from *my* crotch. ;)

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  5. M$ Released new bloatware to slow it down... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    in other news, M$ released Windows 2005 beta to NTT. "With instant messaging, help characters, voice response mouse buttons, and background autopatching, the operating system still takes 10 seconds to load Word." says Jerry Chang of M$ product development. "We feel this is the sweet spot. Give us Moore's Law, and we'll give the same speed you got used to in 1993."

  6. Diamonds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "CPUs are Forever" is not conducive to Moore's Law.

    1. Re:Diamonds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Would they be "free as in deBeers?"

  7. Finally! by maxmg · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can give my wife a new processor for her birthday! I can see it now:
    "But it's an 18 carat Intel, darling!" - "WHACK"

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    1. Re:Finally! by ewhac · · Score: 5, Funny

      Or, conversely, now you can reduce a man to tears with the gift of a diamond.

      Schwab

  8. Re:Ummmm... by sCreeD · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Good luck getting more than two of those chips, let alone a cluster of them.

    Vacuum tubes still being used in production broadcasting... I did not know that...

    Screed

  9. Diamonds... by dafoomie · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...not just a girl's best friend anymore.

  10. Memory? by Lord+of+the+Fries · · Score: 5, Funny

    So with all the problems we're having these days getting data (memory) near all of these cycles, I can't even imagine what the situation would be with a processor built around these kinds of speeds.

    I'm imagining something like Dante's level 7 cache or something.

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    1. Re:Memory? by digitalunity · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Highly unlikely. See, what you don't realize is that this technology will likely be utilised in memory before processors. One of the first verification processes in semiconductor technologies is 'can we make memory with it'. They start off simple and let the circuits get more complex from there. We'll likely see very high speed memory before you see a Pentium 5 or Athlon Diamond XP. This is a great boon for computing. Memory has been a large bottleneck for a long time.

      Imagine 1GB of processor core clock speed memory. That would be friggin amazing for databases :)

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    2. Re:Memory? by Admiral+Llama · · Score: 2, Funny

      Didn't level 7 have the burning desert where the sodomites were damned to wallow?

    3. Re:Memory? by kramer2718 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      One of the first verification processes in semiconductor technologies is 'can we make memory with it'. They start off simple and let the circuits get more complex from there. So why, then, is the gap between processing speed and memory access speed growing?

    4. Re:Memory? by aXis100 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Because you have to run those signals over wires, which do a really crappy job of conducting a high speed signal. On chip cache is certainly fast - just expensive (real estate and fabrication errors)

      At the sort of frequencies we're currently using, circuit tracks look more like inductors and capacitors than bits of wires. They essentially act as antennas, and there is a massive amount of effort spent in trying to avoid those effects.

    5. Re:Memory? by SteveAyre · · Score: 5, Informative

      One reason which another poster mentioned is the data transfer over the bus between the CPU and Main Memory, this is usually a few inches which means the signal can take more than 10ns to travel along the bus (which is a significant amount of time in chip design).

      Another reason is that SRAM is used in a CPU for cache - its VERY fast but takes up more silicon per bit and is very expensive per bit.

      Main memory is generally made of DRAM which is slower but also much smaller so you can get a much larger amount of memory onto a chip and much cheaper.

      It's not that the latest technology isn't used in memory, it's just that its very expensive so it's used within the CPU as a cache while main memory will be slower in order to balance space vs cost for the machine to still be both affordable and usable.

      Once the price drops, the cache technology gets put into main memory and a newer faster one replaces it in the cache.

      The other big thing is that most of the advances in CPU speed are not due to the chip tecnology but due to design, especially pipelining.

      CPUs go through a series of stages (eg fetch-read-execute) and the CPU can take advantage of this by running each stage while the next stage is still running.

      This trick can't be taken advantage of in memory as memory does not contain several stages - hence pipelining increased cpu speed by something in the region of 5-10x while not increasing memory speed at all.

      It's mainly new design tricks like this that have made most of the speed advances, which is why processor speed increases at such a larger rate than memory speed.

    6. Re:Memory? by digitalunity · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That's exactly right. Even with all of the newest improvements in semiconductor technology and the resulting memory density(Remeber those old 512KB clunky SIMMS :) improvements, we are still placing the memory too far away from the processor. It should be closer(physically, logistically, electrically). With the new AMD Opteron, they got it right. Putting the memory controller on the processor is the first step in a long line of improvements that can be made. With a few more fundamental changes in design, memory might actually be able to keep up with processors in the future. One such design change would be getting the main memory bus off the motherboard PCB. With the memory controller on the processor itself, the compatability or portability of the memory modules between Opteron generations is no longer a viable excuse. There is no reason why the memory can't be a stacked silicon module that plugs into the side of the processor. That right there would solve quite a few problems as well as take full advantage of the Opteron's built-in memory controller and provide memory performance unchallenged by either DDR SDRAM or RDRAM technologies.

      I'm betting we'll see 1Ghz memory(not effective via DDR or QDR, I'm talking actual bus frequency) within 1 year from this day.

      Anyone wanna take my money?

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    7. Re:Memory? by Aceticon · · Score: 2, Informative

      I would like to point out 2 things:

      1) SRAM is actually Static RAM. It's very vast but it also requires a LOT more transistors per bit than DRAM - Dynamic RAM. I do believe that SRAM also consumes more energy than DRAM (i'm not absolutly sure). Don't expect SRAM to be use in Main Memory anytime soon (unless people are willing to pay the same for 100M as they pay today for 1G - and i'm being optimistic here)

      1b) Note that EDO memory, DRAM, SDRAM, DDRAM are all different technologies based around Dynamic RAM. The biguest difference between them is not the way the bits are stored but the way they are accessed - both the "comunications protocol" with the memory chips and the speed with which they respond to requests (there is more to memory than just MHz)

      2) Actually, improvements like pipelining don't affect the maximum clock frequency of a microprocessor (the GHz thing) very much. What they do improve is the average ammount of processing work that can be done per-clock-cycle.
      To put things in another way, if somebody made a 3GHz 386 processor it would have less than 1/10 of the processing power of a 3GHz Pentium 4 even though the clock speed would be the same.

    8. Re:Memory? by Rich0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Interesting - I would have thought that was not true, but see this breakdown of the differences between SRAM and DRAM. Static RAM is indeed static - I would have thought the flip-flops would pass current all the time (making them comparable to DRAM), but they actually don't.

    9. Re:Memory? by svirre · · Score: 4, Informative

      1) SRAM is actually Static RAM. It's very vast but it also requires a LOT more transistors per bit than DRAM - Dynamic RAM. I do believe that SRAM also consumes more energy than DRAM (i'm not absolutly sure). Don't expect SRAM to be use in Main Memory anytime soon (unless people are willing to pay the same for 100M as they pay today for 1G - and i'm being optimistic here)

      The typical SRAM structure is a 6T circuit (That is 6 transistors), while DRAM is 1T. DRAMS does however need to be refreshed with regular intervals as the capacitor that stores the bit is prone to leakage. This means the DRAM can never idle at virtually 0 power consumption.

      SRAMs therefore consume a lot less power than DRAMs when there are significant idle cycles.

  11. eh? by The+Uninformed · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "The diamond devices are expected to be in demand to replace with the vacuum tubes that are used in the high frequency, high-power applications such as receivers and transmitters at digital TV broadcasting stations."
    Now why wouldn't they think people would use them in computers?

  12. Spontainious Computer Combustion by huhlig · · Score: 2, Funny

    If these get this fast and this hot, I can see now the idea of any form of material around it spontainiously combusting if a coolant system dies. Just think, no dust problems, it just incinerates in the case.

  13. What? by Izanagi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    30 W/mm??

    Don't they mean 30 W/mm^2?

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  14. speed is no longer the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    the next big ceiling in CPU design is electricity consumption. Nobody cares about it in PCs now, but when CPUs start hitting several hundreds watts, businesses and home users will be forced to take it into consideration or else be badly burned each time they open their power bill.
    Making CPUs faster is all very nice, but the deciding point in purchasing an AMD vs Intel CPU in a couple of years may very well be in how much electricity it uses, even more so than how fast it is.

    1. Re:speed is no longer the point by seanadams.com · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The solution here is simply to have CPUs sleep, i.e. run with reduced speed, or no clock at all after a few uS idle time until the next interrupt. Most chips are quite capable of switching to much lower clock speeds on the fly, but for some reason this technique is only really used in laptops. It only takes a microsecond to change speed, so there is absolutely no user-perceptible impact.

      Also it is MUCH easier that doing a full "suspend" (powering down PCI cards and peripherals) because you don't have to reinitialize all that stuff when you wake up.

    2. Re:speed is no longer the point by aXis100 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Faster switching speed does have benefits in power reduction.

      One on the main causes of heating in semiconductors is the switching performance. Whilst a transistor is "on", voltage accross it is zero (or near to), current high, power dissipation (equals voltage * current) is low. Whilst a transistor is "off", voltage accross it is high, current is zero, power dissipation low. However, during the transition from on/off, voltage and current levels are both intermediate, hence power dissipation occurs. Faster switching response times means less dissipation during switching.

    3. Re:speed is no longer the point by anthonyrcalgary · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It already is a consideration in many settings. Rackmount systems are the first to notice because of the density. As I understand it, any processor over 50 watts is pushing it for 1U applications. I think Sun is going to use mobile Athlon 64's for just that reason.

      With Prescott set to top 100 watts, I think we've hit the limit of what desktop users are willing to tolerate. We're into "can't run it on summer afternoons" territory already. I've been using my laptop at home because of it.

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    4. Re:speed is no longer the point by Monkelectric · · Score: 3, Informative
      Actually, if you run any of the NT kernel OS's (NT4, 2k, XP, etc) your computer is already "sleeping". Its been awhile since I've done any assembley, but IIRC the command is called "hlt" (halt), aptly named because it halts all cpu activity until the next hardware interrupt or some timeout value. Thats how it worked in the early 90's, theres probably a more sophisticated instruction now, but the fundamentals should be the same.

      Mobile processors can usually alter their clock on the fly, but this requires tight intergration with the motherboard circuitry which is traditionally responsible for generating the CPU clock (which could probably also be programmed to overclock).

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    5. Re:speed is no longer the point by Pulzar · · Score: 2, Informative

      Mobile processors can usually alter their clock on the fly, but this requires tight intergration with the motherboard circuitry which is traditionally responsible for generating the CPU clock (which could probably also be programmed to overclock).

      That's not correct, actually. The CPU reference clock is generated outside of the CPU, but it gets multiplied inside the CPU. So, when a mobile CPU wants to slow itself down, it just reduces the multiplier, while the reference clock remains the same

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  15. Re:Diamond to replace vacuum tubes?? by josecanuc · · Score: 4, Informative

    Vacuum tubes are still used as the final amplification stage for TV and radio broadcast transmitters. They're the best thing able to handle the power efficiently, even today. Try building a semiconductor transistor with a gate width measured in centimeters (compared with microns); it's tough.

  16. Wow a 3 to 300 ghz signal with high output. by ratfynk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This tech has some serious military applications.
    Killing devices like the star drek phaser is not that far off. The high energy output potential because of the thermal characteristics is scarry! Just imagine if the output of a cell phone could have a signal db and directional capable antenna. Yipes you could get scrambled brains if the antenna was too close. The radar and remote sensor applications for this could kick current US stealth tech out the window as well.

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  17. Hey honey! by Botchka · · Score: 5, Funny

    Can I borrow your wedding ring for the lan party??

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  18. Re:overclocking by aXis100 · · Score: 5, Informative

    81GHz is the switching speed of the transistor, not the processing speed of a resulting PC. Some of the reasons are:

    * CPU's perform a large number of transistor switches in a single clock cycle.
    * The rise/fall response time must be much smaller than the switching time.

  19. Re:Diamond to replace vacuum tubes?? by insane · · Score: 5, Informative

    Don't be uninformed...oh wait this is slashdot. Vacuum tubes are still used in RF broadcasting, especially digital TV because the are able to reach the power levels necassary to broadcast a 50kW radio signal at low enough distortion to cleanly transmit the digital signals.

  20. Slashdotting effect... by deunan_k · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I noticed one thing... Anytime there's an article where nobody really understand the concept or the technology underneath it, for example like this one... And what did fellow slashdotters do? Crack jokes over it.. You guys are outrageous! ;-)

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  21. Re:Just what we needed... by Gherald · · Score: 2, Funny

    > Now AMD's PR ratings will be through the roof!

    I for one welcome our new Athalon 81000 XP++ (56700mhz) space heaters!

  22. So if CPUs are diamond... by Ro'que · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...does that mean we'll have cubic zarconium CPUs for the cheapos? I can just see my dad buying me a glass CPU while Jimmy down the street gets a diamond one.

    "But boy, you can't even tell the difference! Look at it gleam in the light!"

    "Dad, that's the case lighting on fire."

  23. Have you ever tried to sell a diamond? by endersdad · · Score: 5, Informative

    This lengthy article gives a fascinating history into how the DeBeers cartel has created artificial scarcity in the diamond market and convinced the western world that a "Diamond is Forever". Before the 19th century, no one ever had to spend 6 weeks salary on an engagement ring!

  24. Re:Diamond to replace vacuum tubes?? by digitalunity · · Score: 4, Informative

    There are some really great uses for vacuum tubes. Here's a couple:

    1) High quality audio reproduction. Any home audio freak will tell you nothing sounds like a sweet tube amp. There is both anecdotal and scientific evidence for the superiority of tubes versus semiconductors. Why then do we use semconductors as audio amps? Price and size. For a home theater amp, semi's cost anywhere from $100 to $900+, and tubes cost anywhere from $500 to $20,000.

    2) High frequency amplification. Good for rf transmitters. They have many other high frequency uses as well.

    Don't discount the tube!

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  25. Yes. by rebelcool · · Score: 4, Informative
    There are lab created diamonds and have been for awhile, but they're fairly low quality and generally only useful as cutting tools. Wired had an article a couple weeks ago about one company that aims to change that, who have developed a method of creating diamonds out of a sort of plasma rain in a chamber that is almost impurity free.

    DeBeers is shitting a brick over it too, because that means its nearly impossible to tell a diamond from the ground from a lab one, except the lab one is even purer. The good part of this is the tech industry has far more muscle and clout than DeBeers does. DeBeers is truly an evil company sown on the blood of africa and putting them out of business would do the world a favor.

    In fact, the only way for this technology to become realistic is for large scale lab diamond growing like I mentioned above. Its still many years off.

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  26. "Funny" moderation by Boing · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Okay, seriously moderators, it's time to stop moderating "diamonds are a geek's best friend" and "maybe now I can give my girlfriend a [heavy-duty graphics chip of the day] for our anniversary" as Funny. Every freakin slashdot article that mentions diamonds in any context has these jokes. That's what the "redundant" tag is for. :)

  27. Will DeBeers be the new RIAA by Dr.+Bent · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Anyone who's bothered to do the research into it knows that DeBeers is about as evil as a multinational can get. Somehow I doubt that they are going to play nice with another industry that wants to use thier bread and butter product for making something that doesn't cost $100,000 a gram.

    As I see it, there are one of only two outcomes here:

    #1) Someone finds a way to make cheap diamonds, and DeBeers goes after them (in more ways than just the legal route) to make sure that #2 happens.

    which brings me to

    #2) Nobody finds a way to make cheap diamonds, and DeBeers can triple their prices. Of course, the diamond supply is already kept artifically low to drive up prices, so meeting this new demand won't be a problem at all (it'll just cost you the price of a small car to buy a CPU.)

    I don't like this one bit...nope...not one bit. As if Microsoft's monopoly wasn't bad enough.

    1. Re:Will DeBeers be the new RIAA by gerardrj · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There is already a way to make cheap diamonds. It's done every day. They are called "industrial diamonds" and are grown in labs. The grown diamonds are created for their strength, not their color or clarity. They are used as abrasives, and as tips for precision cutting blades. DeBeers I think couldn't care less about this market.

      There are also other companies that have developed processes to grow gem grade and sized diamonds that are in almost every way indisiguishable from a "natural" diamond. These processess in particular are what led DeBeers to start laser coding their diamonds for authenticity. Growing gem grade diamonds scares the jeebies out of DeBeers, and they will either make it illegal, or find some dubious means to crush any attempts at it.

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    2. Re:Will DeBeers be the new RIAA by kudos200 · · Score: 2, Informative
      This was actually linked in an above comment, and in the slashdot article linked to in the story heading but Wired has a really good article about just this topic.

      The basic idea is that (unfortunatly) there are just a few players out there, but (fortunately) they're big players. They intend to revolutionize computing the same way the mosfet did, etc. I don't know all the science and stuff, but basically they're getting able to make high quality, super good, diamonds synthetically, fairly reliably, and fairly cheap.

      Most importantly, they're able to make the diamonds without DeBeers. I don't remember which companies are focusing on which side of things (jewelry vs. semiconductors), but I think the moral of the story is that progress is being made, and the diamond semiconductor revolution does NOT have to include DeBeers, which is a good thing for all involved.

    3. Re:Will DeBeers be the new RIAA by aXis100 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Personally, I wouldnt care about authenticity, and neither would my wife if I gave her a rock twice the size for the same money.

    4. Re:Will DeBeers be the new RIAA by maerics · · Score: 2, Informative

      Outcome #1 has already happened.

      This article talks about two companies (one based in Florida, one in Boston) that have both developed separate methods for manufacturing diamonds. Both are gem quality and one may be completely indistinguishable from natural diamonds. (The magazine cover isn't bad, either.)

  28. Re:Diamond to replace vacuum tubes?? by shawkin · · Score: 2, Informative

    Vacuum tubes are used for high power broadcast transmitters.

    If you're going to make a big UHF/VHF/FM/SW/AM transmitter, you are going to use power tetrodes.

    For instance, a pair of Eimac 4CW1400KG/X-2242 are rated at 4,600KW, continuous. The tube uses water vapor cooling and recovers some energy by using the superheated steam from the tube to drive a steam turbine generator set.

    The diamond devices are intended for power output stages of broadcast transmitters. I somewhat doubt that they will replace ultra high output beam tetrodes for 50KW and larger transmitters.

  29. Cheap, Perfect, Artificial Diamonds by Josuah · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This month's issue of Wired Magazine has artificial diamonds as its cover story. Just finished reading it a few hours ago. Very interesting as to where this is going to take the diamond jewelry business (DeBeer's is in trouble) as well as the semiconductor industry.

  30. Closer than some people think. by niko9 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I was a little surprised nobody mentioned this story that was posted recently here.

    If this man and his product really pan out, we could see some eally exciting advances in the semiconductor industry. But there could be a billion dollar enterprise that might think otherewise.

    A quote from said artice:

    But De Beers wasn't backing down. Throughout 2000, the cartel accelerated its Gem Defensive Programme, sending out its testing machines - dubbed DiamondSure and DiamondView - to the largest international gem labs. Traditionally, these labs analyzed and certified color, clarity, and size. Now they were being asked to distinguish between man-made and mined. The DiamondSure shines light through a stone and analyzes its refractory characteristics. If the gem comes up suspicious, it must be tested with the DiamondView, which uses ultraviolet light to reveal the crystal's internal structure. "Ideally the trade would like to have a simple instrument that could positively identify a diamond as natural or synthetic," De Beers scientists wrote in 1996, when the company unveiled plans to develop authentication devices. "Unfortunately, our research has led us to conclude that it is not feasible at this time to produce such an ideal instrument, inasmuch as synthetic diamonds are still diamonds physically and chemically."

  31. Re:Diamond to replace vacuum tubes?? by evilviper · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Any home audio freak will tell you nothing sounds like a sweet tube amp.

    Yes, right after they tell you how much better records sound than CDs, and that aliens are stealing their newspaper.

    The fact is, people just like the sound of a tube more, because of it's distortion. It doesn't produce a better, cleaner, or clearer sound, it's just a sound some people like more. That sound, in fact, could be reproduced with a good DSP.

    There is both anecdotal and scientific evidence for the superiority of tubes versus semiconductors.

    Please point me to any "scientific" evidence that tubes are superior.
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  32. Perspective; a long way to go by bigberk · · Score: 4, Informative

    Very few people are understanding what the article is saying

    The research teams have been able to fabricate semiconductor gates. In other words, they have probably been able to make a couple lone transistors (on/off electrical amplification switches) on a substrate lying in a lab with very controlled conditions -- long way off from computer processing.

    You can run Doom on this about as easily as you can run Quake with your bedroom lightswitch...

    1. Re:Perspective; a long way to go by ralphclark · · Score: 2, Funny
      The impressive part is that they can manipulate and measure the gate at these speeds. Im guessing that task falls to analog circuits.

      Or they could just suspend a raw chicken above it and see how long it takes to cook from the microwave emissions.

  33. Re:Nice Try by aXis100 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I explained it exactly above. If you underclock, rate of switching goes down, but the response time is the same. This means that in every unit of time, there will be less of the tranistions that cause heat dissipation.

    Response time provides a maximum limit to switching speed. A device that is capable of switching fast, but is operated at a lower speed (underclocking), will produce less heat.

  34. Tubes may not go away for a long time by qwijibrumm · · Score: 4, Informative

    There are some very undesireable things about semiconductors. They are low power devices. They don't work well at high frequencies. Couple these faults together and you let out the magic smoke on higher frequency applications (mostly Sat-Comms).

    There are work arounds for the low power problem. In my job, (US Navy Electronics Technician) I've worked on an LF transmitter that could crank out over 150KW. It was all solid-state. The workaround to not cook silicon? It used about a freaking million amplifier circuit cards. I think it might have been more efficetive to just use 4 PA tubes but whatever.

    Now the problem is high frequency and high power together. Consider the semiconductor. Two (slightly) different materials with a depletion region in the center. Well that's basically like a capacitor. Capacitors tend to pass higher frequency signals. If the signal is getting passed, it is not getting amplified. This problem is called inter-electrode capacitance. Tubes suffer from the same downfall. They dont just resemble capacitors, they are capacitors to a degree.

    The tube world has to use some pretty crazy devices to amplify signals at high frequencies. These methods cannot transfer to the solid state world. For more information google for "klystron", and "travelling wave tube".

    But because the issue of inter-electrode capacitance cannot be easily solved with workarounds. The only way to have a high frequency, high power amp, is with a tube. With higher quality semiconductors, this will no longer be true.

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  35. Optical Routers by quinkin · · Score: 3, Interesting
    A big problem with optical routers at the moment is that the electronic components can't keep pace with the optical components.

    This is part of the reason why the fibre optic revolution has been more of a slow turn... fast pipes are great, but it helps if you know where to send them.

    81GHz isn't going to solve the problem - but it will help.

    Q.

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  36. Perfect crystal diamonds are about to get cheap by Animats · · Score: 4, Informative
    De Beers is going to hate it, but they can't stop it. Compared to the semiconductor industry, the diamond industry is dinky. Total annual worldwide diamond production is only around $7 billion. Intel alone has four times the revenue of the entire diamond industry.

    Apollo Diamond is now making near perfect crystal diamonds by vapor deposition. Their product has fewer flaws than natural diamonds. Since the diamond jewelry industry has been making a big deal out of "flawless" diamonds for a century, they're stuck - the industrial process is better than the natural one. Semiconductor process technology has been making near perfect crystals of silicon, quartz, sapphire, ruby, etc. for years, after all. This is just the next step.

    Sapphires used to be rare gems. Not anymore. Linde Chemical started making synthetic star sapphires in the 1970s. Then sapphires went into volume production. Then the patents ran out. This is where the sapphire industry is now:

    • We can currently supply ingots, blanks, windows and wafers up to 200 mm in diameter, bar stock up to 100 mm square and ribbons up to 80 mm wide. All sapphire products are available in stages ranging from raw through polished for epitaxial growth. With six grades of synthetic sapphire, Maintech is sure to meet needs of the customers. Processors and end users now have an opportunity to take advantage of extraordinary prices from Maintech, Inc. Normal turnaround time is FOUR WEEKS!

    A few years, and bulk diamonds will be on the Home Shopping Channel.

    1. Re:Perfect crystal diamonds are about to get cheap by Jace+of+Fuse! · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A few years, and bulk diamonds will be on the Home Shopping Channel.

      I keep telling people and nobody believes me, but how they could have missed THIS Wired article is beyond me.

      As if the HOT CHICK covered in CHEAP DIAMONDS wasn't enough to attract any geek, the mention of revelutionary cheap processors should have been like pheromones to the poor diamond clad lady. (She dare not show up to a lan party dressed like that...)

      Anyway, the Wired article was mentioned here at Slashdot a few weeks ago, and I picked up a copy at the newstand to read at work. It finally looks like DeBeers is focked. Intel, AMD, and IBM, and Microsoft all have something to gain from this. DeBeers simply doesn't have the strong-arm capabilities to keep those four giants down.

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  37. De Beers are scum by quinkin · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Anything that fscks with De Beers gets my vote (or votes if it is e-voting...).

    That inhuman pack of gunship flying, mercenary hiring, indigenous population exploiting *ssholes can suck it down and shut up.

    Our obsession over "pretty sparklies" is disgusting, and what we are willing to ignore to ensure a steady flow is reprehensible. How many middle-class housewifes with a rock on a finger know the TRUE cost of that shiny bauble?

    Lets wake up to ourselves and try to develop a modicum of common sense? Why are diamonds expensive? Because they are in demand. Why are they in demand - no it is not the industrial applications? Because they are expensive.

    Q.

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  38. Re:Diamond to replace vacuum tubes?? by panurge · · Score: 3, Informative
    You are partly right. The tube myth arose in the days of early silicon transistor amplifiers which had low gain and poor linearity around the crossover point. The result was they did sound worse than tube amps which had excellent gain at low signal, and degraded gradually as power increased.

    Enhancement mode MOS transistors have characteristics very close to those of ideal pentodes, and should therefore give even better results (no transformers.) But that doesn't suit the guys (always guys) with the "golden ears" and the bullshit filter bypass.

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  39. Re:Ummmm... by PurpleFloyd · · Score: 3, Informative
    Oh yeah, tube amps sound way better than solid-state.
    I hope you're being sarcastic; the only area where there's even a difference between the output of tubes and transistors is when they're overdriven. That's a concern in recording, where overdriving the preamp can create interesting effects; guitar players know all about this and many prefer tube amps for the pleasing distortion. It is not a concern for playback, where the goal is to reproduce the original recording exactly rather than to overdrive the amp and create different sounds.

    As for tube amps in high-power situations, that's still the norm. The reason tubes fell to discrete transistors was mainly due to the fact that tubes have to be heated to work right. While several tube heaters in a small radio mean serious inefficiency, a 200W tube heater coil in a 200 KW radio transmitter means that all of 0.1% of your broadcast power is used for the tube heater - no big deal. Add to that the fact that large transistors are very expensive and the difficulty of moving heat away from the junctions in something that large, and tubes are still the natural choice for really high-power applications.

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  40. Only 81Ghz? How about xxxGhz? THz? by jriskin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    IBM has been testing SiGe chips at up to at least 350-400GHz last time I checked and producing and selling chips at up to at least 110GHz. Intel's made claims of tested transistors in the THz range.

    Not to rain on the "OMG look how many GHz or THz that is!" parade, but there are even higher numbers to "OMG" at =)

    Put InP (indium phosphide) and SiGE (silicon germanium) in to google for more max Ghz fun...

    There is probably even faster stuff than that out there!

  41. Re:Diamond to replace vacuum tubes?? by jcr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I am sick and tired of people claiming tubes sound better,

    Well, since "sounding better" is a subjective judgement, anyone who says so is right. They'd be wrong if they claimed that tube amps were more accurate than transistor amps.

    What tubes have going for them is that they don't clip the way that transistors do when their power limit is exceeded. Transistors clip, tubes go non-linear and approach their power limit asymptotically.

    Of course, anyone who routinely overdrives their amp like that has probably lost the ability to hear much more than the ringing in their ears.

    -jcr

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  42. Re:Ummmm... by BlackListedCard · · Score: 2, Informative

    Tube sound is different than solid state sound. I have a old Dynaco ST 70. Blow the shit out of anything solid state. If you do not believe me. Check out the newsgroup rec.audio.tubes. Also, tube amps just report the distortion figures correctly. Not like the Future Shop garbage of today.

  43. Re:Ummmm... by jargonCCNA · · Score: 2, Informative

    I hope you're being sarcastic;
    Actually, I'm being entirely serious.

    the only area where there's even a difference between the output of tubes and transistors is when they're overdriven.
    That's a damn lie. All the recording artists I know use a tube preamp on their vocals -- and how do you overdrive a vocal track other than screaming into the mic?

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  44. Re:Diamond to replace vacuum tubes?? by niko9 · · Score: 2

    Yes, right after they tell you how much better records sound than CDs, and that aliens are stealing their newspaper.

    Vinyl does sound better than a CD. You can't can't make sweeping generalizations without having first the oppurtunity to listen to both formats. Truncated 16 bit digital, even when played with the best of CD players and/or DAC's (Mark Levinson. Classe Audio, etc) is audibly inferior to the vinyl disc. I'm sorry, but even the hardiest proponents of CD upsampling will tell you that, once you throw those bit's away, there gone forever.

    Don't get me wrong, I thought vinyl addicts were delusional once myself. I love the convenience of CD: portability, instand skip to track, really deep bass.

    But after auditioning a decent analog setup (decent meaning $500 table/arm/cart combo and a $199 solid state phono preamp) it was almost a religious experience. Even my girlfriend, who isn't an audiophile by any defenition of the word, noticed how much more easy going the music was, compared to the same albums on CD.

    The fact is, people just like the sound of a tube more, because of it's distortion.

    You probably right, but then again you could say humans are analog in nature and distorted, and that's ok. Just realize that most young people today have never heard a decent analog setup with some tube amps. Woudn't it be interesting if (and, I admit, this is a big if) the reason people are buying less music, or spend less time listening to music for pure pleasure (as oppesed to having it as background music while using a PC) is because digitized truncated music doesn't connect with the human soul the way an analog signal does?

    That sound, in fact, could be reproduced with a good DSP.

    I'm sorry, but I highly doubt that. Analog and digital will always be just that.

    I wish that anybody who has even the slightest interest in analog music reproduction to go find a good hi-fi audio dealer and ask them a an audtiom of even a modest tuntable/phono preamp combo.
    Most dealers (the ones in NYC do anyways) have vinyl discs on hand. But your better off going in with an album that you really familiar with, and album you would take to a desert island if you could only bring one with. Go listen to it on vinyl and see what happens. You ain't go nothing to lose.

    Personally, the amount of time invested in vinyl (keeping discs clean, storing them properly, having to lift teh stylus and placing on the disc -MANUAL LABOR!!SHOCK HORROR!) is well worth the benefits of listening to pure analog music.

    Analog:2 a : of, relating to, or being a mechanism in which data is represented by continuously variable physical quantities b : of or relating to an analog computer c : being a timepiece having hour and minute hands.

    Sorry for the slightly off topic rant.

  45. You, sir, need a drink! by appleLaserWriter · · Score: 3, Funny

    If you want to get pedantic, pick any pair (x,y). unless equals(x,y) is true, different(x,y) is true. Now better(x,y) is a special case of different(x,y), but its meaning is context dependant.

    Sometimes better(x,y) maps to greater(x,y) or less(x,y). So it is entirely possible that for some value of better(), better(tube, silicon) is true. If, for example, I'm a salesdude at a hifi store and you are a customer with stacks of cash. Then *clearly* better(silicon, tube) is true. However, after I sell you the tube amp and I'm spending my commission check on my own amp, better(tube, silicon) is true as long as I'm trying to optimize for a maximal personal bank account.

    If I'm trying to create the best listening device for my music, then... it doesn't matter. All my music is in MP3 format which horribly degrades the original signal. A nicely distorting vintage tube amp and a nice martini are probably the ideal combination to help me forget.

  46. Wrong by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Actually, improvements like pipelining don't affect the maximum clock frequency of a microprocessor (the GHz thing) very much. What they do improve is the average ammount of processing work that can be done per-clock-cycle."

    A 20-stage pipeline is one of the many reasons that the P4 runs SLOWER clock cycle-for-clock cycle than its predecessor or the Athlon.

    A 3 GHz P3 will trounce a 3 GHz P4. But because of its design, the P3 can't scale very far beyond 1 GHz. The P4, on the other hand, still has lots of room to grow.

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  47. Re:Ummmm... by luzrek · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Actually, according to an article in a recent (this month?) Wired magazine, there is a corporation in Boston which is developing ultra-pure diamonds using a vapor disposition techinque. While the initial generations of diamonds produced in this way will be expensive, if they prove useful, mass production will ultimately drive the price of diamonds through the floor. Haha! take that DeBeers! (seriously, DeBeers's corporate executives cannot come to the US without being arrested, and they are single handly responsible for keeping the price of diamonds so high that wars can be financed via "blood diamonds" even though the mineral is not actually rare)

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  48. Diamond Defects by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The article writes about problems with the diamonds purity. However, September's Wired has an article about manufactured diamonds for this purpose. One of the diamonds created by a plasma carbon process can be used to grow diamonds in a wafer shape for processing. They have succeeded in creating a positive charge with Boron and also a negetive charge also using Boron in a process. This allows npn or pnp transisters. Because they are grown instead of mined and DeBeers does not control them, they are also cheap enough to be a mainstream computing resource. These diamonds are flawless and perfect size and shape. Unlike trying to use mined diamonds, you dont have to find diamonds that match because they are all grown the same.

  49. Signal Propogation by Jennifer+E.+Elaan · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Yes, we *can* start treating the wires like transmission lines ("antennas" that don't broadcast, for the non-hardware types). This is what recent advances such as low-voltage differential signalling and high-speed serial interfaces like PCI-X are all about.

    The reasons that we can't with current generation hardware are:

    1. Ground Noise. Because of the way the signal is propogated at higher and higher speed and lower voltages, the noise margins start looking bad, and the amount of noise in the ground plane itself becomes unacceptable. Advances like internal ground planes (with 6 and 8-layer boards) have helped up till now, but these advances are getting harder. Differential signalling helps this by providing both a negative and positive version, which can be compared at the other end.
    2. Crosstalk. Two wires (or traces on a PC-board), sitting next to each other, acts as a capacitor. As frequency goes up, a capacitor starts looking more and more like a short circuit, instead of the open circuit you would expect. This means that the two wires will inject signal into each other, rendering communication impossible. Differential signalling again helps this one, because you can then run signal lines in pairs, which should pick up interference in roughly the same amount (common mode), which can be ignored on the other side by the comparator.
    3. Capacitative load. This is related to, but different than, the one above. Basically, the capacitance between the traces and the ground plane becomes more important, and dissipates more of the power sent into the traces, slowing rise-times on traces and increasing propogation delays. Low-dialectric circuit board materials are becoming more and more common to compensate.
    4. Synchronization. Keeping a set of parallel data lines in sync becomes a lot more difficult when the data rate far exceeds the propogation delay. When you have many bits still on the wire travelling to the next chip, keeping the bits arriving simultaneously becomes nearly impossible. This has led to some of the high-speed serial busses, like PCI-X and Serial ATA. Since you have only one line, you can push bits onto it at a much higher speed without worrying about synchronizing it.
  50. Apollo Diamond by yerricde · · Score: 3, Informative

    there is a corporation in Boston which is developing ultra-pure diamonds using a vapor disposition techinque

    You're thinking of Apollo Diamond, which plans to use revenues from selling vapor deposition gemstones to fund research into diamond semiconductors. There's a nice writeup about synthetic diamonds at E2.

    However, in many markets, synthetic diamonds sold as gemstones have to be labeled as synthetic, giving De Beers an out: "A diamond isn't forever if it was grown in a lab five days ago."

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  51. IBM 210 GHz SiGe transistors by MacDork · · Score: 2, Informative

    Is the diamond transistor really even all that special? IBM announced a 210 GHz transistor a long time ago. Any wonder why the PPC 970s are kicking the crap out of anything Intel has to offer? [Sorry, I couldn't resist ;)]

  52. Re:Amplifies Signal, Not "Runs At" 81 GHz by pjrc · · Score: 2, Interesting
    No, simply having gain (different from "switching") does not make a transistor "more and more attractive" for processors. RF amplifiers, yes, but not for CPUs.

    Many other properties are required to make transistors useful for implementing microprocessors, memory, or other complex peripherals used in computers. Complementary devices are needed (high speed in both N and P channel) to implement high density logic without excessive static power consumption. Withness the sucess of GaAs semiconductors for CPUs, using only N-channel devices! (but GaAs is well established for RF amplifiers of course).

    High quality insulators are needed to fabricate many layers of metal interconnect (SiO2 happens to be glass... but obtaining good insulators on top of most materials is quite difficult). A way to produce a good ohmic contact in a tiny area between the semiconductor and metal is also needed (for a single transistor used in an amplifier, only 3 contacts are made and large area can be devoted to them). Vertical fabrication techniques used for high power single transistors obviously can't be used for complex circuits with many transistors, so all these requirements must be able to be met with many fabrication steps.... and the fact that they're growing the film at such a low temperature will make all the subsequent steps quite difficult. Even after acheiving all these difficult properties, a new material like diamond must support extreemly small geometries over very large areas to achieve the transistor counts required to be competitive with modern silicon CPUs.

    Perhaps someday diamond semiconductors may be useful for complex circuitry.... but to think that now is quite silly. The targeted application is analog signal gain at these extreemly high frequencies, which will open up a massive portion of spectrum that's previously been unavailable. That is arguably even more important than continuing Moore's "law" for increase in CPU speed and memory size.

  53. +2, complaint about Slashdot bias by i_am_nitrogen · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's not a senseless bash against Windows. It's a legitimate concern that makes it difficult to use Windows for professional applications like audio production. It makes absolutely no sense to optimize for the eyes when the ears are much more sensitive to dropouts. If there's a momentary delay opening a menu, people won't notice that as much as their audio buzzing while the menu is opening.

  54. Space Shuttle???? by willtsmith · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Given that the final shuttle accident report was released today, I'm surprised that no-one else has touched on this topic.

    The Reinforced-Carbon-Carbon panels have been noted to get very pitted and pot-marked over time. Indeed there has always been serious concerns over this component.

    Given the chemical process for synthesizing diamond wafers, isn't it reasonable to deposit a single sheet part super heat conductive material that would replace the reinforced-carbon-carbon on the space shuttle wings. Diamond is the hardest substance known to man. Isn't it reasonable that such a macro-application would be reasonable and logical.

    Other near term application could be heat sinks in other industrial super-heated applications. I could even imagine sythesizing the linings of cannon barrels out of sheet diamond. How about aircraft "black boxes" made out of sythesized diamond so that they absoluetly CANNOT be destroyed.

    On more application could be to organically grow the hull of a small submarine capable of diving to tremendous depths. A sufficiently polished application could be optically transparent!!!! That is no portholes required. Remember "transparent aluminum" from star trek. A chemically deposited transparent diamond panel could probably kick it's ass in strenth.

    How about armor for tanks, helicopters and planes???? A thin panel may be stronger then the most exotic alloy.

    A sufficiently advaned systhesizing process may be capable of produce "machine grade" parts that will effectively NEVER wear.

    The 20th century was the century of steel. With a reliable diamond production process, and technology that generates carbon nanon-tube threads (as well as bucky ball "bearings"), this could be the century of carbon!!!!!!

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  55. And where is Gallium Arsenide? by G4from128k · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Although diamond-based semiconductors will have their applications, they won't replace silicon in most mainstream computing applications for decades. Consider GaAs, a semiconductor that is faster and better than silicon. It was hailed as the natural successor to silicon back in the 80s. Yet, this delightful material has yet to replace silicon in a host of speed-sensitive applications because it is too hard to work with in large dies. The manufacturability of dense speed, not pure speed, is the real issue -- can you reliably pack 100 million multi-GHz transistors on to a diamond substrate for under a $1000?

    A secondary issue is that diamond is actually inferior to silicon in power consumption because it has a much higher band gap voltage (5.4 V vs. 1.2 V). This means that circuits built from diamond must operate at higher voltages and thus consume more power. You think your laptop gets hot now, wait til the circuits are all based on diamond. Only if diamond can be fabricated into smaller circuits with lower junction and trace capacitance and lower resistance in the traces could a diamond-based circuit operate with less power dissipation than a similar silicon-based one. We should not confuse diamond's superiority for speed and power as being a superiority of power efficiency

    The bottom line is that it will take many many years and many billions of dollars of investments for diamond-based semiconductors to be economically fabricated in with the densities and low rate of defects found in silicon-based semiconductors. And diamond's high power consumption may prevent its use in many applications. Until such hurdles are overcome, diamond semiconductors will be a crucial for niche applications but silicon will enjoy its continued reign as the main material used in digital electronics.

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  56. Why only a few transistors are needed by FuzzyDaddy · · Score: 2, Informative
    As someone who works in this frequency range, I'd like to point out a few things. First, there are many commercial applications in use up to 40 GHz or so. The center around communications, mostly. The military uses higher frequencies for radar and fuzing applications.

    Chips in these frequency ranges are analog - low noise amplifiers, mixers, and power amplifiers. Commercially available chips are available up to 100 GHz or more. These chips typically have no more than 20 or 30 transistors, if not much less. The chips are ussually based around GaAs or InP processes.

    The current limitation of these chips is power. The leader is TriQuint, which produces chips that produce 1 to 4 watts around 40 GHz. Thermal limitations are important - GaAs is a terrible thermal conductor. And these analog amplifiers are biased with transistors in conduction, so the efficiencies are on the order of 15% - they generate a lot of heat. (There are other limitations as well, of course, having to do with breakdown voltages,gate width, and switching speed.)

    Up until now, the option for high power is a good old fashioned vacuum tube - the traveling wave tube. They have several problems - poor linearity, high noise, the need for kilovolt power supplies, and reliability. Also, they're not cheap to make.

    All this to say, diamond is an exciting prospect for analog power amplifiers, and it wouldn't take very many transistors to really make something valuable.

    I'm away from my reference books at the moment - does anyone have a comparison of the electron mobility in diamond versus GaAs?

    (My associates would consider me remiss in my duties if I didn't mention their high power solid state amplifiers, at Sophia Wireless

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