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Four Core Processor to Bring Tera Ops

panhandler writes "As reported at CNet and the Austin American Statesman, researchers at UT are working with IBM on a new CPU architecture called TRIPS (Tera-op Reliable Intelligently adaptive Processing System). According to IBM, 'at the heart of the TRIPS architecture is a new concept called 'block-oriented execution"' which will result in a processor capable of executing more than 1 trillion operations per second."

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  1. Researchers ... by makapuf · · Score: 4, Funny

    at Unreal Tournament ? Why, some have cool jobs.

  2. one trillion ops/second by Adolf+Hitroll · · Score: 3, Funny

    this way you, yankees, can count every dollar of your actual external debt in a little more than a second !

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  3. Great.... by innosent · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Great... Just what we need, processors that can perform an instruction, then wait 40000 cycles for the next instruction to be read from memory. I wish we could see some memory improvements to go along with these.

    Seriously, though, this will help break all the clustering records, provided we can come up with faster interconnects by then.

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    1. Re:Great.... by n3rd · · Score: 3, Informative

      Great... Just what we need, processors that can perform an instruction, then wait 40000 cycles for the next instruction to be read from memory. I wish we could see some memory improvements to go along with these.

      Sun is working on something along those lines, check it out

    2. Re:Great.... by innosent · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That's throughput they're working on, which is great, but not the problem. Latency is the problem, not throughput. Try having large programs with lots of branches and/or syscalls: If the code is large enough, you'll spend more time bringing pages in from memory than actually executing your code, especially since you can forget about pipelining benefits...

      Personally, I wish a company would throw out every idea from current memory, put a GB of cache on a chip, and get memory access times down to about 3 picoseconds. But memory doesn't have the marketing appeal that processors do, so we're screwed.

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  4. And Windows 2005... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Will still take five minutes to boot into a login prompt. Some things never change.

    1. Re:And Windows 2005... by julesh · · Score: 3, Informative

      Come on, funny as the line might be, timing from power-on to having a working desktop, my systems come in like this:

      Windows 2000 - 45 seconds
      Windows 98 - 1 minute
      Linux + KDE 2 - 1 minute 10 seconds

      (Admittedly linux + console is about 20 seconds, but that's not really a fair comparison - Windows 98 'text mode only', i.e. DOS, is only about 2 seconds).

      Also, boot up time is largely IO bound. Improving your processor speed will make comparatively little difference (I think doubling speed might shave 10% off these figures, possibly more for the Linux one because the KDE issue is dynamic linking related which is a CPU problem).

  5. Better link by Textbook+Error · · Score: 5, Informative

    A somewhat more informative link for more info. Would it really kill submitters to put a link to the actual project in their submission...

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  6. Thank God by (outer-limits) · · Score: 3, Insightful

    EPIC is clearly dead in the water. Intel didn't learn from the 432.

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  7. See The Project Yourself by robbyjo · · Score: 3, Informative
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  8. SCO's response: by 10Ghz · · Score: 5, Funny

    "This is yet another breach of our IP! Our fine researcher came up with this technology over 10 years ago, we have just ket it hidden for all this time. Unfortunately we wrote the patent-applications with invisible ninja-ink and they are being kept in a vault in our Fortress of Doom (tm), so we can't show them to anyone.

    We expect IBM to pay us 5 billion dollars plus 4 x $699 for each CPU sold"

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  9. Fabrication by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Does anyone remember the Pentium Pro? It was an extremely expensive processor. This was because of its strange system of connecting the CPU core with a massive amount of cache ram; production yields were very low, so fabrication costs were very high.

    Imagine how high the failure rate would be with fabricating a CPU with four cores... I don't see how it would be practical unless it was with an extremely-high yield design such as the StrongARM.

  10. Only 32 Billion Now by Nazmun · · Score: 4, Informative

    The four cores add up to only 32 billion operations right now according to the CNet article. They project that they won't reach 1 trillion until 2010.

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  11. Oooh, can't wait for the G6! by Capt'n+Hector · · Score: 4, Insightful
    But of course, these processors will require entire software rewrites.

    But this reminds me of a growing trend, and that is that as soon as large infrastructures are finally completed (be it the transition to OS X or 802.11b) the technology becomes obsolete. However, the entire infrastructure must be replaced. I don't care how many gazillion flops this or any other processor can pull. They need to easily scale so that the entire infrastructure does not need replacing.

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  12. We'll need a lot better compilers by kramer2718 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If each chip is basically four processors each of which can execute 16 operations simultaneously, it will be difficult for compilers to find 64 independent instructions to execute each cycle.

    I guess one possibilty could be to execute instructions from four different processes simultaneously, thus reducing the probability that the instuctions will interfere.

    1. Re:We'll need a lot better compilers by boopus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Exactly. The IA64/itanic/itanium instruction set provides for executing multiple instructions "simultaneously" (aka: pipelined with no interference) but the intel guy I heard from said it so far doesn't provide anything close to the improvements they hoped the feature might. Scaling it up to 64 instructions per clock is only going to help tasks which IBM supercomputers have already lost to beowolf clusters.

  13. Just a warning by Kizzle · · Score: 5, Funny

    If anyone in any way shape or form mentions the word beowulf, expect a swift kick in the nuts by your's truly.

    That is all

    1. Re:Just a warning by iapetus · · Score: 3, Funny

      But just imagine a BeowAAAAAAAAARRRRGGHH!

      Ooh, now I can sing soprano again...

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  14. Let me guess. by JanusFury · · Score: 4, Funny
    capable of executing more than 1 trillion operations per second."
    Let me guess...
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  15. Cell by Jagunco · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Wasn't the PS3 "Cell" chip made by IBM and Sony supposed to deliver 1 teraflop too?

  16. I just wanted to say... by boola-boola · · Score: 4, Informative

    ....that I've had Doug Burger and Steve Keckler as professors here at UT, and not only do they know their stuff, but they're great professors as well, and they really seem to intimately care about the technology. They have a great sense of humor too (such as Dr. Burger complaining that he doesn't even have root access to his own machines :-P)

  17. Unfair comparison by axxackall · · Score: 3, Informative
    W2k keeps loading its services even AFTER I login. I can change the boot sequence order to Linux time for X11 Login prompt at least half.

    Well, I don;t need postfix, Apache, Zope, MySQL, PostgreSQL and many other services at the moment of login. So, Win2k designers has recognized the it and optimized the boot sequence being oriented for a desktop user. In Linux we still keep a server-oriented mentality, that's why XDM/GDM/KDM/EDM is always the last thing to start.

    Besides, Win2 boots some services in parallel, while in Linux we still boot all of them sequentially, waiting for [OK] string before starting the next one. The only way to paralelize the sequence is to track dependencies between services. In Gentoo there are some efforts to do the parallel boot.

    But as for now, Linux is (by dfault) is oriented for servers, and GUI login is the last (ltterally last) thing you need on your server.

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  18. How is Gentoo doing it? by roystgnr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Besides, Win2 boots some services in parallel, while in Linux we still boot all of them sequentially, waiting for [OK] string before starting the next one. The only way to paralelize the sequence is to track dependencies between services. In Gentoo there are some efforts to do the parallel boot.

    How are they doing it?

    I've often thought that we should be booting up our computers with a parallel invocation of "make". Then when adding a new service you would have none of this "what number between 0 and 100 should I assign?" foolishness: just write a three line makefile that includes all the dependencies that your service has on others.

    1. Re:How is Gentoo doing it? by mkldev · · Score: 3, Interesting
      You mean kind of like Mac OS X does? From the docs on OpenDarwin:

      The Property List

      Each startup item bundle contains a property list file at the root level named StartupParameters.plist. The property list is an XML or NeXT-style text file that describes the contents of the bundle. It enumerates the services the bundle prov ides, the services the bundle requires, and other information useful for determining the proper order of execution of the bundles.

      The property list contains the following attributes:

      OPEN CURLY BRACE
      Description = "My Startup Item";
      Provides = "MyService";
      Requires = ("AnotherService", "Network", ...);
      Uses = ("YetAnotherService, ...);
      OrderPreferece = "time";
      Messages EQUALS OPEN CURLY BRACE
      start = "Starting My Item.";
      stop = "Stopping My Item.";
      restart = "Restarting My Item.";
      CLOSE CURLY BRACE
      CLOSE CURLY BRACE
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