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An ID Number for Everything

jon323456 writes "Put this in your privacy pipe and smoke it. According to news.com, MIT researchers have cooked up a new barcode that has enough dataspace to include a unique serial number for everything. And in combination with RFID tags...."

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  1. 96 bits??? by corebreech · · Score: 5, Funny

    Damn man, MIT must be slipping. I could give you uniqueness using only 64-bits.

    So could any coder who cut his teeth on machine language.

    We need to stop teaching Perl/Python/Java as a first language. Make the uber-generation deal with opcodes and registers. Assembler will put hair on your chest boy!

    The point is, bits aren't cheap. If we're going to set standards for their allocation, let's let somebody who knows what they're doing do it. Yes?

    1. Re:96 bits??? by michiel.h · · Score: 4, Funny

      The point is, bits aren't cheap. If we're going to set standards for their allocation, let's let somebody who knows what they're doing do it. Yes?

      Yeah, those so called 'researchers' at MIT are nothing but frauds. We need people who know what they are doing. We need experience. We need expertise.
      I say we ask Ballmer. He'll help us out.

    2. Re:96 bits??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Thank heavens you aren't allocating bit-space then. Part of the power of what you think are excessively large address spaces comes from the fact that they stay sparsely populated (and the resultant ease with which you can perform classifications due to that sparseness).

      Example: IIRC there are less than 256 countries in the world. One possible IPv6 allocation is an 8-bit country code field embedded in the 128-bit address, leaving 120 bits for each country to address devices. And then in the US, for instance: 6 bits for the state field, 8 bits for the county field, 8 bits for the city field, still leaving 98 bits for addressing *per city*. A similar example holds for 96-bit barcodes.

    3. Re:96 bits??? by gregmac · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I could give you uniqueness using only 64-bits.

      Sure, for a while. Back in the 70's, I'm sure they figured that 12-bit barcodes were plenty. According to the article, they're now starting to run out.

      It's called thinking ahead: Design a system that will last at least twice as long as you think you'll need. Yeah, 64 bits is incredibly huge. They're talking about serializing every product made by every company with a unique id. So say we plan on it lasting 100 years. That's still like 184,400,000,000,000,000 unique id numbers, per year (64bit). Actually, that does seem pretty damn excessive.

      But who knows - maybe there will be other uses for this space as well. Using a few bits to encode sizing/weight information, color, hazards, if it's flamable, disposal instructions, etc, to allow simpler devices to read it without having to link to a database somewhere. A good example of this is the licence scanners some bars use: they swipe your drivers licence, and it shows the info encoded on the card, and they compare it against the info printed on the card. It doesn't link back to a database to verify anything, its just a simple device to help prevent fake id's. Same sort of thing could apply here for shipping purposes, and probably lots of other things, too.

      It's a lot easier to just use 96 bits now, than switching to 64 now, and then having to switch to 96 again in a few (or many) years.

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  2. You read that right. by ajuda · · Score: 5, Funny

    It takes all those PhDs to figure out that a really, really big number can hold lots of information.

    1. Re:You read that right. by twoslice · · Score: 4, Funny

      It takes all those PhDs to figure out that a really, really big number can hold lots of information.

      Actually, it is worse than that. It takes all those PhDs to figure out that you can count really high if you just keep counting...

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    2. Re:You read that right. by tiled_rainbows · · Score: 4, Funny

      When my brother worked at a supermarket checkout, he'd just wave the item vaguely in front of the reader and then pass it on, whether the barcode was read or not. He was the most popular checkout guy ever.

  3. Wow this is pretty dumb.. slow news day? by phunhippy · · Score: 4, Funny

    So basically.. they're using a 96 digit bar code instead of a 12 or 14..

    wow stop the presses.. thatis revolutionary..

    oh wait I got an idea.. lets use 128.. or better yet 1024!!! we'll never need to make a new standard for thousands of years!

    woooo!(ric-flair like woooo)

    1. Re:Wow this is pretty dumb.. slow news day? by cdrudge · · Score: 4, Funny

      Why not just assign everything an IPv6 IP address under the notion that someday you will be able to plug it in. There's enough addresses in that space to go around...plus your sweater and can of chicken soup one day will be net-enabled anyways.

  4. Great! by cyclist1200 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now I can start tagging my subatomic particle collection!

    1. Re:Great! by alexre1 · · Score: 5, Funny

      In recent news, Stanford's physics department took a leaf out of the infamous "Pet Rock" success story, and made an absolute killing with their new product line "Pet Subatomic Particles" (marketed by Mattel). They come in two varieties: the cute and cuddly "Pet Lepton", for those little girls out there; and the big and fierce "Pet Quark". Each Pet Subatomic-Particle is stamped with it's very own, unique ID number! You can get your very own for only 5 easy payments of $99.99 US!

      In related news, this move pissed the hell out of the MIT researchers who developed the so-called "Everything Barcode", which they claimed had enough dataspace to uniquely indentify everything. Said one reasercher, (off the record): "Man, did this come as a surprise. I mean, we made space for every single atom in the entire friggin' universe in this barcode system, but did we think about Quarks and Leptons! Argh! We'll have to go back to square one on this. Give us another two years, and we'll find a number so big, that ... well, you get the idea!"

  5. Lets see by chrispycreeme · · Score: 4, Funny

    that's 2^96 = 79,228,162,514,264,337,593,543,950,336
    hosts... minus 2 for the broadcast and the network address. Um...No thats not right.. damn cisco.

  6. Hmmm... by hak+hak · · Score: 5, Funny

    To start with, let's give each of those ID chips a number! Oh wait... now there are no numbers left for all my other stuff!

  7. Re:And we wants this why? by hattig · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you had read the article, then you would have noticed that it said that the current 12 digit barcode is running out of room, and that they are having to move to a 14 digit barcode system in the next year. It also said this new system would take around a decade to catch-on, because obviously the cost of printing a bar code on an already existing bit of paper on the product is a lot less than creating a little microchip/transmitter/thingy.

  8. Same technology to *fix* CD's by Malicious · · Score: 4, Funny
    If you beleive that bar-codes are infringing on your privacy rights, there is a simple solution.
    Take a felt tipped marker. Make one of the lines thicker.

    Problem Solved!

    Did I just violate DMCA?

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    1. Re:Same technology to *fix* CD's by Gudlyf · · Score: 4, Funny

      Great, so instead of it looking like a bought that innocent bag of chips, I show up as having bought an anal dildo.

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  9. Applications in lost good recovery by GeckoFood · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually, having a unique bar code could be very beneficial when recovering lost and stolen property. If everything is uniquely identified, and you have somehow recorded your id codes for certain things that are of some value (either real value or sentimental), this could potentially aid in goods recovery. Granted, it could be taken to absurd extremes, but for more important items (artwork, computers, rare books, etc), this could be invaluable.

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    1. Re:Applications in lost good recovery by jaxle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A lot of products already have this don't they? Like computers have unique serial numbers etc. Besides, whats to stop the criminal from removing it?

    2. Re:Applications in lost good recovery by putaro · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Pieces of fine art and rare books are not enhanced by slapping a bar code label on them.

    3. Re:Applications in lost good recovery by tomzyk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      this could potentially aid in goods recovery.

      Um, I'm gonna say "not bloody well likely" to that. A few years ago when my car got broken into, my cellphone, digital camera, PDA and CD player were all stolen. They all had serial numbers, which I had documented, and I gave the info to the police. What happened? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Just because it has a unique ID labelled on it (whether it's a number or a barcode or a hologram or anything else!), doesn't mean you can recover it any easier.

      Hell, doesn't pretty much everything have a serial number now anyways? Yeah, so what if my couch might have the same serial number as my computer monitor; I'm still not going to confuse the two.

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    4. Re:Applications in lost good recovery by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, the advantages do not outweigh the scary possibilities of this scheme. Imagine receiving the following in the post:

      You, person #825765.983.9782.2987634 have hereby been fined $500 for littering. Coke can #178246.886.1235.783553 was found on 29-8-2005 in an area not sanctioned for waste disposal. Bank and customer records show that you purchased the aforementioned can, therefor the fine is yours. This fine can not be contested as our Object Tracking Database is infallible. Have a nice day.

      Never mind that some homeless guy fished your can out of the trash and dropped it later.

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  10. Oh no by l810c · · Score: 4, Funny

    This barcode tatoo on the back of my neck is going to seem So Dated.

  11. IPv6? by achurch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why not just give every item an IPv6 address? Assign the UCC a /16 for merchandise and you've got 2^112 == 5e33 possible codes. The IPv6 folks are going on and on about giving everything an IP address--wouldn't this be a perfect application?

  12. UPC is redundant...IPv6 is here by surstrmming · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It has been shown that IPv6 will provide 4 IP numbers per square centimetre of space on earth. That should be enough to cover all products. My proposal would be to make the UPC the same as a IPv6 number, and then make the barcode show the item's IPv6 address. Network configuration would be simplified - just scan the barcode - and the item wouldn't need a UPC *and* a IPv6. They would be the same. That would simplify marketing and tracking as well, items such as coke cans and underwar could simply be ping:ed on the net. No need to bother with those RFID tags.

  13. Knee Jerk by tunabomber · · Score: 4, Funny

    Put this in your privacy pipe and smoke it.

    Maybe the things that I smoke in my privacy pipe is my own freakin' business- that never occurred to you now, did it?

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  14. Re:Hey! What is my number? by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 5, Funny

    These people looked deep within my soul and assign me a number based on the order in which I joined.
    -- Homer J. Simpson.

  15. Re:An ID on every car axle? by avalys · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There will be a huge fight against these in terms of the privacy issues -- tracking cars, for example.

    Yeah, imagine how awful it would be if every car had a unique identifier associated with it. You could be identified wherever you go by anyone with access to the right equipment.

    Ever heard of a license plate?

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  16. This could be called... by weston · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wow! This needs some kind of cool name, like... like...

    MIT Everyware, perhaps?

  17. Re:Gillette by volsung · · Score: 5, Informative

    Um, Gillette wasn't the one taking photos of customers. It was Tesco. Gillette just happens to make the Mach 3 razors which were being watched.

  18. Simplistic article by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 4, Informative

    The 12-digit bar code that's used across the United States was introduced in the 1970s, and the retail industry is close to running out of new combinations.

    UPC-A barcodes are 12 digit long. There are many many other types of barcodes, including 2D barcodes that can hold up to 1K of data on them. They just have to pick another type of barcode, like CODE128, for consumer products and declare it the new standard. No need for revolutionary changes here.

    Look in the SUPPORTED_BARCODES file in the cuecat driver archive to see how many 1D barcode types already exist.

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  19. Re:No more inventory counts by tomhudson · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Article states:
    "No more inventory counts. No more lost or misdirected shipments. No more guessing how much material is in the supply chain--or how much product is on the store shelves."
    Boy, these guys need to get into the real world. Stuff gets spoiled, damaged/dropped/spilled, eaten by rats, misfiled/misplaced, etc. Sure, you query the rdif tags, and they report back that you've got 6 cans of #2345 white paint in stock. Now you go to ship all 6, and find that 3 cans are leaking, 2 of the other cans are mislabeled, and the last one, someone's opened and "borrowed" the contents to repaint the john..

    You'll always have a need to do a physical audit.

  20. Re:An ID on every car axle? by Mortanius · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well, the raw tag number is unique within any given state, but looked at nationally, each number could have up to 50 duplicates, ignoring the state of origin. Besides, what can you tell from a license plate itself? There's a much more serious issue in the automotive industry; the VIN.

    The VIN is truly unique; no two cars have the same number. They are unique amongst a common manufacturer, and unique amongst all automotive manufacturers. Every car, truck, minivan, SUV, etc. has one of these numbers, often written in multiple places, and oftentimes PHYSICALLY STAMPED in the material of the car so as to prevent fraud (it's illegal to remove this privacy-infringing device!)

    These numbers are not protected at all; they're prominently displayed on the dash of all vehicles equipped with them, so that anyone simply walking past your car can look in and record the number. From it, they'll know what manufacturer produced your car, the car's series, its body style, engine type, emissions, what model year it is, what factory it was produced in, and on top of that, A SIX-DIGIT UNIQUE IDENTIFIER!

    This problem has existed for decades, and few people actually know the evils that lurk inside! This must be stopped! Stand up to your car manufacturers, tell them you WILL NOT BUY another vehicle from them until this travesty is corrected!

    (Peace out, yo.)