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Time to clear out the bin of the taint of SCO, hopefully we haven't posted these already... The Economist has a piece titled Face Value -- Of Monkeys and Penguins. The EFF is pushing an email campaign about SCO. An anonymous reader submits this completely unverified claim that SCO needs to change the password on their mail server: sco.txt. And another reader presents a theory about SCO's stock performance.

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  1. Yes, I posted this story yesterday by heironymouscoward · · Score: 5, Informative

    and it was rejected.

    I'm not grousing.

    The Economist has captured the issue very well, and in a way that any businessman (your boss, your clients, for instance) will understand.

    It has also defined the core of this issue, namely the realignment of the IT industry from old to new, with SCO/MS on the old side, and IBM/OSS/Linux on the new.

    I never thought I would see IBM on the right side of IT, but there we have it.

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    1. Re:Yes, I posted this story yesterday by mcgroarty · · Score: 4, Informative
      and it was rejected.

      When they do roundup postings, they'll typically reject all of the original articles (or all but one) and save a few lines out of each submission.

  2. SCO.TXT w/ English trans by Knunov · · Score: 4, Informative

    In case the SCO.TXT file gets /.'d, here is a copy of it, along with a rough Czech -> English translation. I will post an exact translation when my Czech buddies wake up :)

    ----------
    Subject: schvalne jestli ve SCO ctou ceske servery
    From: root <root@mail.sco.com>
    Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 05:59:24 -0600
    To: redakce@root.cz

    jestli ano,

    urcite se budou lepe venovat svym serverum.. a nejen tomu nasledujicimu :-)

    <b>if yes,

    it will be better to get the whole server.. trace/follow the server :-)</b>

    mail:/usr/share # hostname -f; uname -a
    mail.sco.com
    Linux mail 2.4.19-64GB-SMP #1 SMP Fri Feb 7 16:29:22 UTC 2003 i686 unknown
    mail:/usr/share # free
    total used free shared buffers cached
    Mem: 2068160 1997756 70404 0 210712 1527008
    -/+ buffers/cache: 260036 1808124
    Swap: 2097136 0 2097136

    mail:/usr/share # df -h
    Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
    /dev/sda2 2.0G 410M 1.5G 22% /
    /dev/sda1 99M 10M 84M 11% /boot
    /dev/sda8 3.3G 33M 3.1G 2% /home
    /dev/sda6 1012M 35M 926M 4% /tmp
    /dev/sda5 3.0G 1.6G 1.3G 55% /usr
    /dev/sda7 325G 905M 308G 1% /var
    shmfs 1010M 0 1010M 0% /dev/shm

    root:6X7liA1zmJhyA:12255:0:10000::::

    ----------

    Knunov

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  3. very bad translation actually by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    jestli ano,
    urcite se budou lepe venovat svym serverum.. a nejen tomu nasledujicimu :-)

    ...meaning:

    if yes,
    they will take better care of their servers.. and not only of the one mentioned bellow :-)

    ...which means that the mail.sco.com server isn't the only one compromised.
    neat.

  4. Re:Interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    They can't be sued for running GNU/Linux. The GPL doesn't cover use, only modification and distribution.

  5. Re:Interesting by IamNotWitchboy · · Score: 1, Informative

    But the whole point is that they are not protected by the GPL because they openly rejected it.

    There is a clause in the GPL that states that you can refuse to accept the license, in which case it turns into a copyright infringment.

    pretty neat, uh?

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  6. Re:Whatabout paragraph 141? by EvilAlien · · Score: 5, Informative
    There is still no comment, but I think the comments to 140 say it all. DYNIX is not relevant here, given that it is based on the BSD lineage: "DYNIX developed at Sequent years ago was derived from BSD 4.1 with patches from 4.2 and new code by Sequent".

    The precedent set in the Berkeley v AT&T decision counters much of SCO's mindless spew. I got the idea that by the time Rob and Eric got to that point in the rebuttal that they got sick of repeating the same point over and over again, resulting in comments becoming sparser.

    Can somebody just hand Halloween IX to the appropriate judges so they can dismiss this thing already and focus on IBM's counterclaims? hehe Stupid SCO.

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  7. The SEC? by w42w42 · · Score: 2, Informative

    The last article looks like it'd be of interest to the SEC, though I'm not going to hold my breath on that one.

  8. Re:Adapt and Succeeed by Syre · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually, what happened with MicroChannel was that IBM tried to set a new standard, which actually was much better than the old PC-AT slot standard. It included automatic configuration of interrupts, better mechanical characteristics, etc.

    The problems were:
    a) IBM wanted to charge a rather high fee for anyone to license the new bus, both to clone manufacturers and to card manufacturers.
    b) Card manufacturers found it more expensive to make cards for the new bus, partly because the traces required for the slot contacts had such a tight tolerance requirement.

    This spurred the industry to create their own new standard, the VESA bus, which was then superceded when Intel successfully forced the industry to adopt the PCI bus. But that's another story.

  9. Re:business vs tech presss by MuParadigm · · Score: 2, Informative

    For more information, check out Groklaw. Their latest article features a full write-up of Groklaw's research into the ICP affiliations, with links to the relevant documents and SEC filings.

  10. Re:Whatabout paragraph 141? by Tsu+Dho+Nimh · · Score: 2, Informative

    Para 141 merely establishes that Sequent has an agreement with whover was the vendor du jour of UNIX, and makes a claim about the terms of theocntract ... Rob and Eric are only commenting on those parts where they have knowledge and expertise, not on the interpretation of contracts.

    IBM's reply says it all:
    141 Denies the averments of paragraph 141, except refers to the referenced document for its contents. [that's legalese for "that copntract don't mean what you claim it means]
    142 Denies the averments of paragraph 142. [legalese for "we'll take about this in court, and not sooner"]

  11. Re:business vs tech presss by Tsu+Dho+Nimh · · Score: 2, Informative
    " The fact that SCO stock increased while there case was shown to suck, really shows we are not kicking SCO in the right place. We need to hit them where it hurts. "

    The price of SCO's stock has NOTHING to do with the merits of their case. It's getting heavy attention from day traders, speculators, and what appears to be careful manipulation ... most of the rises happen on very light volume, and may be "painting the tape" (fake transactions at small volume done just to advance the price)

  12. Re:Golden Tablets of SCO by Phroggy · · Score: 2, Informative

    Of course these tablets somehow "disappeared" before anyone but a few devotees actually had a chance to verify their existence.

    I found this letter from Professor Charles Anthon of Columbia College (now Columbia University) to be quite interesting. More here.

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  13. Re:SCO's business plan by mec · · Score: 4, Informative

    Ummm, yeah, you're the only one who thinks that. :)

    SCO's business plan:

    1. Sell $12 million of UnixWare and OpenServer, at a cost of $14 million. Loss of $2 million.
    2. Sell $8 million of "SCO Source" licenses to Microsoft and Sun, at a cost of $2 million. Gain of $6 million.
    3. $4 million profit !

    SCO has executed this business plan successfully for two quarters now. Read their quarterly earnings announcements at finance.yahoo.com. It's right there. They are already in stage 3 and have been there for six months.

    Now, in Step 2, what are Microsoft and Sun getting for their $8 million per quarter? They are getting anti-Linux FUD. Linux takes sales from Microsoft and Sun, and this is a way for Microsoft and Sun to attack Linux without getting their own hands dirty. That's the value-add of using SCO as a sock puppet.

    Darl's bragging about the number of press releases from SCO rather than products and customer wins. Well, in my opinion, future "license payments" from Microsoft and Sun may very well be based on the number of anti-Linux press releases that SCO puts out!

    Canopy, the parent company of SCO, also has a business model based on suing other companies: $150 million lawsuit settlement from Microsoft, $40 million lawsuit settlement with Computer Associates.

  14. Re:sco.txt fake ? by leeet · · Score: 2, Informative

    If they have multiple Unix flavours and/or and NIS setup then they are most likely using crypt and not MD5.

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  15. MCDonalds by xcomm · · Score: 1, Informative

    >> Hit them in the pocketbook, as that is all they understand.

    What is with SCO's last really big costumer McDonalds?

    Write your McDonalds representative to change their systems to Linux. :-)

    The fallout of such a step from McDonalds should go through every business paper
    in the world and should be something the guys from IBM may know how to handle.

    Than let's have a look on the SCOX again.

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  16. Re:sco.txt fake ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    I can't remember how many years ago it became standard to use MD5 sums instead

    You mean common practice in Freenix land, not standard. POSIX standard Unix is DES.

  17. Not necessarily.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    Read this.

    If Bill Gate's bucks are really behind SCO, you'd be shorting into someone with $50 billion to buy up SCO stock.

    You'd wind up taking it in the shorts if you did that....

  18. Re:Not the VESA bus, the EISA bus! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    VESA also defined a bus standard; the Vesa Local Bus (VLB) Rarely seen, little used.

  19. Re:Hostile takeover of SCO by foonf · · Score: 2, Informative

    How much would a hostile takeover of SCO cost?

    It would be impossible. As has been repeatedly detailed here, they are 95% privately held. The shares you would need to buy to take them over simply aren't available on the market.

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  20. re: ARGH!!! (warning, rant) by dtrent · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm SO tired of that load of low-IQ FUD. Let's drop that bullshit already, goddamn it....

    [rest of rant cut]

    So yeah, there's probably some Gnome people getting a chuckle out of all this, so what. This is bigger than Gnome vs KDE. The point isn't to punish Trolltech, it is to put pressure on them so that they, in turn, complain to Canopy. This applies to all Canopy group companies. If Canopy hears enough of it, they just might get the message

    That KDE has a better desktop than Gnome is completely irrelevant. I like KDE, I don't like Gnome. I've switched to using IceWM for the time being, and sent KDE/Trolltech letters telling them why. According to you that makes me a "low-IQ, lying hypocrite"? Oh *you* come on.

  21. Re:business vs tech presss by MuParadigm · · Score: 3, Informative


    I can't take credit for the research on this one. It's reported on Groklaw, and the research was a joint effort of a couple of people, but mostly Pam Jones (I think that's her last name, it might be "Johnson").

    Anyway, the story is heavily linked to the reference documents and Sec filings, so if you are interested you can easily verify the story for yourself there. Pam, aka pj, runs Groklaw and is a paralegel. She started the site to provide information on news stories from a legal research perspective.

    When she started the site, the SCO v. IBM story was just breaking, and it became the site's focus. It's since developed a community of tech. and legal commentators who add to the research. If you're interested in in-depth discussions of the details of this case, Groklaw's probably the best resource for it on the web right now.