Time to go to sleep. When I read the headline I thought, "Yeesh, that's a pretty harsh punishment for commuting with hospitalized people. And why do people in the hospital need to be sharing a car, anyway?"
"Wouldn't a large fine be in order and serve the same purpose?"
The problem with large fines is that people have a habit of simply not paying them. Declare bankruptcy, start working under the table, go on with life.
I think jail time is key, though 9 years is excessive. Fines would be good, but make them not so stiff to the point that a person can't pay them, but stiff enough to make it hurt.
10 years of mandatory audits by the IRS would be cool, too.
I was reading this article, then clicked a few links to other articles, then spent a good hour or so looking at actual photos and artist renditions of the landing vehicles, successful, unsuccessful, and those en route.
You know what ALL of them are missing?
BLING-BLING
If our governments are spending billions on these phat rides, shouldn't they at least throw a set of 20" Enkeis w/ low profile Pirelli P-Zeros on 'em? Then drop those bitches 'til they scrapin' the Martian surface, makin' dem green hoes flock. Shit man, ain't nothing even chromed up on 'em.
But for the billions spent, what we got on the detailin' side? Nothin'. Not even a wax job and a pair of fuzzy fuckin' dice.
Given that those lucrative rebuilding contracts are funded by the U.S., they can restrict who gets to bid all they like.
It's U.S. taxpayer money, and as such, why the fuck shouldn't the U.S. get to choose to receives it?
You think if France (or Germany or ANY OTHER COUNTRY ON EARTH) dumped $18.6BN into rebuilding a country they would just open it up to foreigners for the taking?
"Never attribute to maliciousness that which can be explained by stupidity." - Twain
The main problem is out judicial system is not setup to deal adequately with technology lawsuits. We have lawyers with barely a clue trying to explain to judges with practically no clue what the technology does nor what the ramifications are.
The idea of 3 more years of school might turn you off, but for the out-of-work CompSci degree holders, law school might be a great choice. The world needs lawyers who intimately understand technology to be able to try these cases, and those lawyers need to go on to become the judges who preside over such cases. Without such people in the legal system, we will keep seeing ridiculous judgements.
"Of course whoever does something first is better and smarter. IS that is why we have Linux and are now educating the bassackward US businesses how to use it?"
And you have Linux because of UNIX. And UNIX was created by...
If Microsoft wasn't attached to this story, you would either be happy or indifferent. If you knew the dumbass reasons the 959 was kept off American roads in the first place you'd be more sympathetic.
I bought a poster of the 959 when it first came out - it hung over my first computer.
Now I own a Viper, but I would *love* to own a 959. AMAZING vehicle.
Car lovers everywhere will be happy about this. I hope I pull up next to one in my Viper - so I can race it:D
At least on a per case basis, if not on the whole.
Our staffing company, in all its brilliance, hired an Indian systems manager to run one of our overseas offices. they saved about $1000 per month in salary. Well, due to his one week of wrecking half the systems, that $1000 they save per month will necessitate his working at least 6 months just to pay for the phone bill.
You see, he crashed the e-mail server, basically irreparably. Needs to be redone from scratch, and he, of course, has not the first clue of how to do this. So who does he call past mignight to unfuck his system? Me! The only American sysadmin at the company.
While e-mail is down, the workers turn to fax/phone for communication, so our long distance and cell phone bills are now skyrocketing, just because of this twat. I wrote a nasty-gram to HQ about how whatever money they thought they were saving has just evaporated.
Going overseas is not always the answer. There is some superb, home-grown talent that even makes economic sense to employ, when all factors are taken into account.
I know what many of you are thinking. Why not tell these companies BEFORE you break in?
Because IT'S NOT FUN, that's why. Or perhaps more accurately, it's not stimulating.
Hacking these sites takes time, and the payoff is getting inside and saying, "WOO-HOO! I DID IT!" The fact that he does nothing malicious afterwards and even calls and helps the sysadmins unfuck their systems is a testament to his character.
For those who would compare his antics to breaking into your home, but not stealing anything, it's a poor analogy. Why? Because your house is your personal meatspace. And if he went inside, he would see many things personal to you, such as family pictures, your kid's toys, or if he was REALLY unlucky, your fat, naked ass sitting in a Lazy Boy with a bowl of chips balanced on your ponderous belly, flipping through the channels.
"Uhhh... hey dude. Your lock is vulnerable."
See? Just not the same.
Getting past a computer's defenses is not the same as physically entering a home or bank vault, though I would find the latter far less intrusive than home invasion, especially if he never even touched the money.
Now, if he LOOKED at personal/confidential files once inside, that is a different story. But beating a system's defenses, with the only ambition of proving you can do it, then calling the responsible party and helping them fix the security flaw SHOULD NOT be punished.
Misdemeanor, at most.
It doesn't matter what he could have done while inside, it matters what he did, or more specifically did not do while inside the system.
OK, from the mouths of 3 native Czechs, this is the closest to an exact translation as it gets:
jestli ano,
urcite se budou lepe venovat svym serverum.. a nejen tomu nasledujicimu:-)
if yes,
they will definitely pay more attention to their servers.. and not only to the following one:-)
Knunov
SCO.TXT w/ English trans
on
SCO Roundup
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· Score: 4, Informative
In case the SCO.TXT file gets/.'d, here is a copy of it, along with a rough Czech -> English translation. I will post an exact translation when my Czech buddies wake up:)
---------- Subject: schvalne jestli ve SCO ctou ceske servery From: root <root@mail.sco.com> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 05:59:24 -0600 To: redakce@root.cz
jestli ano,
urcite se budou lepe venovat svym serverum.. a nejen tomu nasledujicimu:-)
<b>if yes,
it will be better to get the whole server.. trace/follow the server:-)</b>
mail:/usr/share # hostname -f; uname -a mail.sco.com Linux mail 2.4.19-64GB-SMP #1 SMP Fri Feb 7 16:29:22 UTC 2003 i686 unknown mail:/usr/share # free total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 2068160 1997756 70404 0 210712 1527008 -/+ buffers/cache: 260036 1808124 Swap: 2097136 0 2097136
Slashdot Mirror
Hah! And here I am again with no mod points.
Very informative. Thanks for that. Would mod you up if I had points.
Time to go to sleep. When I read the headline I thought, "Yeesh, that's a pretty harsh punishment for commuting with hospitalized people. And why do people in the hospital need to be sharing a car, anyway?"
"Wouldn't a large fine be in order and serve the same purpose?"
The problem with large fines is that people have a habit of simply not paying them. Declare bankruptcy, start working under the table, go on with life.
I think jail time is key, though 9 years is excessive. Fines would be good, but make them not so stiff to the point that a person can't pay them, but stiff enough to make it hurt.
10 years of mandatory audits by the IRS would be cool, too.
I know I speak for all Slashdotters when I say, "Eat a dick."
I already have a shopping buddy, and his name is Bonzai!
Is it liquid hot magma?
Is it evil magma?
"Who DOES Jobs do business with?"
This is best read the same way Austin Powers said "Who does #2 work for?" in the toilet scene with Lucky Charms.
Knunov
You can stop sucking up. IRS folks don't read Slashdot.
Now, about this deduction for lunch at the Pink Pussycat...
Knunov
"We will sue TWO of them against the gates of the courtroom...IN ONE HOUR!"
Knunov
I was reading this article, then clicked a few links to other articles, then spent a good hour or so looking at actual photos and artist renditions of the landing vehicles, successful, unsuccessful, and those en route.
You know what ALL of them are missing?
BLING-BLING
If our governments are spending billions on these phat rides, shouldn't they at least throw a set of 20" Enkeis w/ low profile Pirelli P-Zeros on 'em? Then drop those bitches 'til they scrapin' the Martian surface, makin' dem green hoes flock. Shit man, ain't nothing even chromed up on 'em.
But for the billions spent, what we got on the detailin' side? Nothin'. Not even a wax job and a pair of fuzzy fuckin' dice.
Knunov
The original poster wasn't specifying the Open Source issue, so neither did my response.
I'm not a fan of Microsoft, either.
I run Linux AND I don't hate America - that is surely a paradox of some sort. I'm waiting to disappear in a puff of irony.
You mean the same France and Germany who to this day have never repayed the Marshall Plan loans?
Yeah, fuck 'em.
Given that those lucrative rebuilding contracts are funded by the U.S., they can restrict who gets to bid all they like.
It's U.S. taxpayer money, and as such, why the fuck shouldn't the U.S. get to choose to receives it?
You think if France (or Germany or ANY OTHER COUNTRY ON EARTH) dumped $18.6BN into rebuilding a country they would just open it up to foreigners for the taking?
Jackass.
"Many people would prefer not to have to submit their eyes for scanning in order to withdraw money from a cash dispenser."
Pfffft whatever.
The reason I don't want to press my baby blues up against a retinal scanner is because I'm relatively sure a needle will pop out and pierce my eyes.
I don't think I'm alone in feeling this way.
Knunov
"Never attribute to maliciousness that which can be explained by stupidity." - Twain
The main problem is out judicial system is not setup to deal adequately with technology lawsuits. We have lawyers with barely a clue trying to explain to judges with practically no clue what the technology does nor what the ramifications are.
The idea of 3 more years of school might turn you off, but for the out-of-work CompSci degree holders, law school might be a great choice. The world needs lawyers who intimately understand technology to be able to try these cases, and those lawyers need to go on to become the judges who preside over such cases. Without such people in the legal system, we will keep seeing ridiculous judgements.
Knunov
"Of course whoever does something first is better and smarter. IS that is why we have Linux and are now educating the bassackward US businesses how to use it?"
And you have Linux because of UNIX. And UNIX was created by...
Anyone?
AMERICANS!
WOOOOOOH! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
If Microsoft wasn't attached to this story, you would either be happy or indifferent. If you knew the dumbass reasons the 959 was kept off American roads in the first place you'd be more sympathetic.
:D
I bought a poster of the 959 when it first came out - it hung over my first computer.
Now I own a Viper, but I would *love* to own a 959. AMAZING vehicle.
Car lovers everywhere will be happy about this. I hope I pull up next to one in my Viper - so I can race it
Knunov
Yeah, I guess it could read that way. I meant it as an exception, not an inclusion. It can be read both ways.
Ooops.
At least on a per case basis, if not on the whole.
Our staffing company, in all its brilliance, hired an Indian systems manager to run one of our overseas offices. they saved about $1000 per month in salary. Well, due to his one week of wrecking half the systems, that $1000 they save per month will necessitate his working at least 6 months just to pay for the phone bill.
You see, he crashed the e-mail server, basically irreparably. Needs to be redone from scratch, and he, of course, has not the first clue of how to do this. So who does he call past mignight to unfuck his system? Me! The only American sysadmin at the company.
While e-mail is down, the workers turn to fax/phone for communication, so our long distance and cell phone bills are now skyrocketing, just because of this twat. I wrote a nasty-gram to HQ about how whatever money they thought they were saving has just evaporated.
Going overseas is not always the answer. There is some superb, home-grown talent that even makes economic sense to employ, when all factors are taken into account.
Knunov
I know what many of you are thinking. Why not tell these companies BEFORE you break in?
Because IT'S NOT FUN, that's why. Or perhaps more accurately, it's not stimulating.
Hacking these sites takes time, and the payoff is getting inside and saying, "WOO-HOO! I DID IT!" The fact that he does nothing malicious afterwards and even calls and helps the sysadmins unfuck their systems is a testament to his character.
For those who would compare his antics to breaking into your home, but not stealing anything, it's a poor analogy. Why? Because your house is your personal meatspace. And if he went inside, he would see many things personal to you, such as family pictures, your kid's toys, or if he was REALLY unlucky, your fat, naked ass sitting in a Lazy Boy with a bowl of chips balanced on your ponderous belly, flipping through the channels.
"Uhhh... hey dude. Your lock is vulnerable."
See? Just not the same.
Getting past a computer's defenses is not the same as physically entering a home or bank vault, though I would find the latter far less intrusive than home invasion, especially if he never even touched the money.
Now, if he LOOKED at personal/confidential files once inside, that is a different story. But beating a system's defenses, with the only ambition of proving you can do it, then calling the responsible party and helping them fix the security flaw SHOULD NOT be punished.
Misdemeanor, at most.
It doesn't matter what he could have done while inside, it matters what he did, or more specifically did not do while inside the system.
"That bastard! He saw my FILE NAMING SCHEME!"
Yeah, he should fry for that...
Knunov
Yep, they thought the same thing on May 4th.
And michael posted that story, as well.
Yet another dupe from Team Slashdot.
And these tits actually want the readers to pay...
Knunov
I know the Carlin routine is done in jest, but the opposite of a 'near miss' is not a 'near hit' but a 'far miss'.
If something almost hits you, it misses you by a near distance.
That's what the term implies.
Knunov
My translation was even worse than I thought :)
:-)
:-)
OK, from the mouths of 3 native Czechs, this is the closest to an exact translation as it gets:
jestli ano,
urcite se budou lepe venovat svym serverum.. a nejen tomu nasledujicimu
if yes,
they will definitely pay more attention to their servers.. and not only to the following one
Knunov
In case the SCO.TXT file gets /.'d, here is a copy of it, along with a rough Czech -> English translation. I will post an exact translation when my Czech buddies wake up :)
:-)
:-)</b>
/ /boot /home /tmp /usr /var /dev/shm
----------
Subject: schvalne jestli ve SCO ctou ceske servery
From: root <root@mail.sco.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 05:59:24 -0600
To: redakce@root.cz
jestli ano,
urcite se budou lepe venovat svym serverum.. a nejen tomu nasledujicimu
<b>if yes,
it will be better to get the whole server.. trace/follow the server
mail:/usr/share # hostname -f; uname -a
mail.sco.com
Linux mail 2.4.19-64GB-SMP #1 SMP Fri Feb 7 16:29:22 UTC 2003 i686 unknown
mail:/usr/share # free
total used free shared buffers cached
Mem: 2068160 1997756 70404 0 210712 1527008
-/+ buffers/cache: 260036 1808124
Swap: 2097136 0 2097136
mail:/usr/share # df -h
Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/sda2 2.0G 410M 1.5G 22%
/dev/sda1 99M 10M 84M 11%
/dev/sda8 3.3G 33M 3.1G 2%
/dev/sda6 1012M 35M 926M 4%
/dev/sda5 3.0G 1.6G 1.3G 55%
/dev/sda7 325G 905M 308G 1%
shmfs 1010M 0 1010M 0%
root:6X7liA1zmJhyA:12255:0:10000::::
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Knunov