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The End of Physical Media

L-s-L69 writes "The register is reporting that Forrester is predicting that a third of all music sales will be made by downloads in the next five years. They also predict that almost 15 per cent of films will be viewed by "on-demand" services such as rather than by DVD or video by 2005. "

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  1. Really? by mgcsinc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So here's the question: what effect do these predictions have on the ways in which companies in control of these industries approach their market? Do companies move to prevent the predicted move to electronic means or do they embrace it because of it's new seeming inevitability? Or has Forrester taken the very effects of its own findings release into account? And if so, might companies recognize this and try to undermine the research adjustment by acting differently than it otherwise would. Don't you just love how these silly little viscous cycles can come out of attempts at predicting trends in a market so easily controlled?

    1. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I think they just project the last five years onto the next five years, and if you do that then the findings aren't unreasonable. On the other hand you could point out that PDF has been around for ten years and grown explosively, but hasn't replaced printed media yet.

      I think what these guys keep confusing is that CONSUMING and COLLECTING are two different mindsets, and physical media will always have a market for those of us who like to accumulate.

    2. Re:Really? by QuackQuack · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Pretty much.

      Who keeps track of what Forrester and Gartner predicted in the past? It would be pretty funny to see what they predicted the world would be like now five years ago. IIRC, Gartner said that we'd all be using NT now, and Linux would be nowhere.

      I think the real value in these analysts are for companies who these trends favor. For example, a company who owns a piece of digital music sales can say "Forrester says 1/3 of all music sales will be digital." This helps attract customers and investors.

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    3. Re:Really? by Jonny+Royale · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't think they're waiting until "all hope is lost". I do think, however, that they're going to continue with the lawsuits & status quo until they find a way to make a closed distribution system that they can control.

    4. Re:Really? by smallpaul · · Score: 5, Interesting

      PDF is less convenient (to read) than physical media. But MP3s are more convenient (to listen to) than physical media. That's why people rip even CDs that they own into their MP3 players

      People who collect MP3s are also collectors. I definately feel more like a collector when I occasionally log onto a P2P system then when I am in a CD store. While I am in the P2P system it is pure hunting and gathering with no concern about cost. When I am in the CD store it is about deciding which of the CDs are worthy my hard earned money (and let's not forget the space they take up in my CD rack).

      On the one hand it is cool to look at my rack and see the stuff I own summarized nicely. But on the other hand, physical media is a pain in the ass. CDs and DVDs are really poorly designed media. Way too fragile. For DVDs: too many silly restraints about skipping FBI warnings and advertisments. For CDs: not enough information density.
      If I could leave that all behind I probably would.

    5. Re:Really? by jayackroyd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah. That "next five years" thing is a good trick. They've got, what, two or three year's of useful data? And from that they make five year projections. Reminds me of the first round of pen-based computing. In 1989/90, we're five years away from the death of the keyboard.

    6. Re:Really? by fishbowl · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "PDF has been around for ten years and grown explosively, but hasn't replaced printed media yet."

      It hasn't completely replaced printed media, or replaced it everywhere, but it has replaced printed media to an extent. I routinely receive products with no printed manual, but either a PDF on a CD or else just on a website somewhere.

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    7. Re:Really? by Jack+Auf · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Five years ago the MegaCorp I worked for at the time was just beginning a merger with another MegaCorp. At that time we had almost completed our Win3.11->Win NT4 migration. The other company had gone from Netware/Win3.11 to Netware/Win95.

      The PHB's at the other company spent a large amount of time and energy lobbying our CIO to go with Netware for everyone. One of their key points was the fact that Gartner had stated in several research papers about that time that Netware was going to be around for quite sometime and was a viable long term technology strategy for the corporate IT environment.

      Riiiiight.

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  2. Video On Demand by notbob · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've used the on demand viewing for at home, but haven't been 100% happy with it.

    The whole pause, fast forward, etc... is laggy and inaccurate. I don't like it.

    I don't like only being able to watch it for 24 hours, give me lifetime viewing for 15$ then we're talking.

    As of right now it's just a waste of money as always.

    1. Re:Video On Demand by Shenkerian · · Score: 4, Insightful
      On-demand viewing is going after the rental market, not the DVD collector market.

      I share your beefs with the user experience, but those can and probably will be resolved as the technology is refined. Cable box DVR's, e.g., could allow local caching for smoother rewind and fast forward.

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    2. Re:Video On Demand by whatch+durrin · · Score: 4, Interesting
      For many, paying for the on-demand movie is preferrable to making a trip to the video store. Especially when the price is the same.

      I haven't had any problems with the pause/fast forward in on-demand. I only go to the video store now when on-demand isn't showing a particular movie I want to see.

      And if you want lifetime viewing, buy the physical media. Would you actually trust the cable company to "remember" you have lifetime viewing rights anyway?

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    3. Re:Video On Demand by 68K · · Score: 4, Interesting
      For many, paying for the on-demand movie is preferrable to making a trip to the video store. Especially when the price is the same.


      Kinda.

      I've used video-on-demand on my satellite box, but it isn't the same as going to Blockbuster. The satellite transmission is limited to Dolby Pro Logic sound at best (because that can be encoded into a stereo stream), so no Dolby Digital or DTS sound for you. Also, the movies are normally shown in the 4:3 aspect ratio. They have a couple of channels carrying widescreen versions, but the choice is far more limited. Oh, and the TV channels have less bandwidth to play with, so the overall quality suffers.

      That's my experience with Sky in the UK, at least. I'll watch something on pay-per-view for the convenience of it, but if I really like it, I'll get it on DVD for the better quality picture and sound.

      I *like* having CD and DVD racks stuff with discs. Shows me where a lot of my money is. I don't think I'd ever be happy having it all stored as licence keys on my PC.
  3. Is this really a good thing? by Eric+Ass+Raymond · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Is this really a good thing?

    I mean in the worst case scenario this will only mean pay-per-view and draconian DRM.

  4. I agree, except... by mschoolbus · · Score: 5, Funny

    The register is reporting that Forrester is predicting that a third of all music sales will be made by downloads in the next five years.

    I wouldn't go as far as to say 'sales'...

  5. Profit shifts by Empiric · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I believe this will in fact happen, and the ironic thing here is that a lot of the customer's dollar (yen, etc.) will be shifted to the bandwidth providers, rather than the creator of the content. This is really the opposite of the renaissance for artists internet distribution was hoped to provide.

    (Related one-time-no-financial-interest-rant: How many hours of quality reading do you get in a week on Slashdot? Toss your five bucks into the hat already...)

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  6. No more paper too! by rajinikanth · · Score: 5, Funny

    Paperless offices are a reality! No more paper used at offices! News at 11.

  7. Overpriced Services by Brahmastra · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Services such as OnDemand on cable are way too over-priced. It's usually $3.95 per movie. I'd much rather buy a used DVD for 10 bucks instead. It's the same reason I never rent anything from Blockbuster (Overpriced American movie rental store). I don't see DVDs dying anytime soon. It may get marginalised like VHS in a few years, but it is unlikely to "end" as mentioned in the title

  8. The End of Physical Media? by villain170 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How is this the end of "physical" media? So is this stuff just going to be stored on nothing? It's rather misleading.

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    1. Re:The End of Physical Media? by kfg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well yes, that's their hope. If you can't store it on anything than you have keep paying for your connection and pay again every time you watch something.

      The media kills your wallet with a financial death by 1000 cuts.

      What's more is the fact that "on demand" viewing is a push model disguised as a pull model. They who control the pipe get to control that which is available to you for your "demand." Think Clear Channel and the pop music machine become endemic to all media.

      Of course this will only work if your media is taken from you or rendered usless by force, because, of course, what you want downloadable media for in the first place is to record it to permenant media for viewing, well, on demand. Like maybe on your boat 10 miles out of sight of land or your mountain getaway cabin or wherever.

      Sure people want the convienience of on demand media from home, so they can record the shit on cheap, free and open storage media.

      Never underestimate the bandwidth of a cupboard full of tapes, CDs and DVDs. Not to mention the fact that such are true on demand media.

      KFG

  9. Re:such as what? by SuperBanana · · Score: 4, Funny
    ... viewed by "on-demand" services such as rather than by DVD

    Such as what?

    Well, the story submitter put something there, but we're not licensed to view it. Sorry.

    Don't feel bad. In a day or two, he won't be able to view it either.

  10. news? by NetMagi · · Score: 4, Funny

    How is this new? I've been getting 100% of my pr0n online now for almost 8 years!

    Heck, I've even got my 51" tv hooked up to a computer for pr0n viewing, and for chrissake. .I'm married. I can only imagine what you single guys are doing !!

    :)

    1. Re:news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      We're single, we can still have sex.

  11. Obsolete or just used differently? by immel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The article says that CDs and DVDs will become obsolete. I think this is wrong. There will always have to be at least one hard copy that can't easily be deleted. Moreover, it says that people have already started to shun buying CDs. People haven't stopped buying CDs, they are just buying more blank ones. For those who see no need to spend several hundred dollars for an MP3 player in their home stereo or car, and then spending all the time and frustration installing it and syncing it with their PC, burning downloaded music onto CDs is a very viable alternative.

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  12. Sound Quality by mopslik · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...a third of all music sales will be made by downloads in the next five years...

    Hooray, five years of tinny-sounding 128-kbps MP3s rather than properly sampled CD-audio tracks!

    MP3s are great because they're portable, but they still don't sound as good as compact discs. Never mind the fact that downloading an entire MP3 album pretty much requires broadband to start with.

  13. HomeChoice by deepstephen · · Score: 5, Informative

    I used to have HomeChoice at home, and it was excellent. The only reason I stopped using their service was because I moved out of the area they cover, and I miss them very much.

    They use a DSL line with a set-top box which splits the signal into two parts: one for video on demand, and the other to plug your computer (or network) into. The video service has an archive of TV programmes in all kinds of genres, as well as music videos and the most recent news bulletins from a variety of sources.

    Plus you can also 'rent' movies from them, just by clicking a few buttons. You get to play it as much as you like for 24 hours and the cost is comparable to (if not better than) the Blockbuster round the corner. You can pause, fast-forward, rewind, no problem. It works great.

    It's fast, very usable, convenient, cheap and it works. I have seen the future and it is video on demand. And no they're not paying me to say this. :-)

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  14. Costs, hard copies and piracy. by Channard · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Call me a stickler but I'd much rather have a an actual proper DVD/CD/VHS than a burned DVD or virtual copy. From a financial point of view, providing purely digital online copies of songs/movies will make them much easier to copy and share. Currently - allegedley - if you want to perhaps share a movie you have to rip it, encode it to a managable size and then send it on, a good few hours of work/processor time.

    With a digital copy it'd be just a matter of decrypting the file, sending it along and there you go. If DeCSS was the best the industry could come up with then I don't forsee any online media protection scheme being hard to crack.

    And as for the reduction in costs being passed on to the end user? Doubtful - they'll just be absorbed as profit because if people are happy to pay current prices, why reduce them? CDs were cheaper to produce than tapes yet are more expensive.

  15. physical media == more bandwidth by tuffy · · Score: 4, Insightful
    A dual layered DVD holds ~8 GB(?) of data. Assuming it takes half an hour to drive to the store, buy one, and return, that's ~4.5MB/second. If I buy more than one DVD, the rate is even better. Cable TV delivers more varied content, but little of it is on-demand and the quality doesn't approach DVD. Pay-per-view content hasn't taken off in the 10 years I've had it available, and doesn't look like it's going to anytime soon.

    My guess is that broadcasted (cable/airwave) media and physical media will always coexist to fit different niches in the marketplace to fulfill different needs.

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  16. /. states that The Register reports that ... by burgburgburg · · Score: 4, Funny
    Forrester predicts the end of physical media.

    I'm commenting on /. stating that the Register reports that Forrester predicts the end of physical media.

    I disagree.

    Now others might agree/disagree about my commenting on /. stating that the Register reports that Forrester predicts the end of physical media.

  17. Sure ... by Durandal64 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yes, physical media is definitely going away. Researchers are looking into using storage media that only exist in metaphysical planes of existence to store data. Rather than clicking a mouse, the user meditates intensely and mutters a small prayer to Hardus Discus, the god of data storage. They've already found that delusional maniacs can hold up to ten times as much data as a standard hard drive platter.

  18. Future Predictions by GearheadX · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Are highly doubtful in general, much of the time. I'd really hate to say it, but a lot of it is corporate-funded pandering and dreaming out to try and force the market in a certain direction.

    I think most people lost their faith in the powers of technological prediction when whole the flying cars by 1990 fell through.

  19. So, what they're saying by Rogerborg · · Score: 4, Funny

    Is that we are to live in a topsy-turvy world where sound and pictures will travel down galvanic wires (snort!) or through the very aether (guffaw!) instead of being carried on good old reliable phonographs and daguerrotypes .

    What next, I ask you? Flying-machines? Women's sufferage? Coloreds sitting at the front of the bus? One can only hope that the imminent dawn of the twentieth-century will put an end to this poppycock.

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