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Testing The Right To Resell Downloaded Music

David Gerard writes "A man has bought a song from Apple iTunes and has put it up for sale on eBay. "I only spent $0.99 on it but I bought the song just as legally as I would a CD, so I should be able to sell it used just as legally, right?" Does the Right of First Sale still exist?" The seller says he's seeking attention, but not to himself. Rather, he calls this "an experiment in property rights in the digital age," and promises not to keep a copy once the sale is done.

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  1. Article text (already slow to subscribers) by mao+che+minh · · Score: 5, Informative
    Does the Right of First Sale Still Exist?

    I just posted an eBay auction for a song I bought from the iTunes music store. It should be interesting to see how this works out. I only spent $0.99 on it but I bought the song just as legally as I would a CD, so I should be able to sell it used just as legally right?

    [Update 09-03-2003 10:08 AM] Right now I've come up with a couple ways that the transfer of ownership could take place. One is to call up Apple and ask them to do it for me, which would be an interesting call. The other way would be to give my account to the winning bidder, which doesn't seem like a bid deal considering that I've only purchased one song. Still, I'd have to make sure that my credit card info was completely disassociated with the account. Or I could just create a new account and repurchase the song on that account.

    [Update 09-03-2003 11:25 AM] I'd like to respond to a few points made by people: 1. It's true that I'm seeking attention, but not for me personally. This is an experiment in property rights in the digital age, something that's gotten surprisingly little attention. 2. I've read the iTunes agreements and found nothing denying transferability. This isn't any more a commercial venture than selling CDs at the local music store, I'm not incorporated or even DBA. Furthermore, in case anyone thinks this is a cheap way to make a buck I will be donating all proceeds to the EFF. 3. When the song is successfully transferred, I will not be keeping a copy of the song. If I don't own it I shouldn't have a copy.

    [Update 09-03-2003 11:25 AM] A very excellent comment below by Piggly Wiggly asks if I will convert the format for delivery. My answer right now is "no" because I don't want to cloud the issue of the sale by changing the format. Also, I'd like to thank all the people posting supportive comments who realize that this is about more than a $0.99 song being over-valued on eBay.

    1. Re:Article text (already slow to subscribers) by rednaxela · · Score: 4, Informative

      This is likely to cause a rather serious problem for our fair hero. Excerpted from http://www.info.apple.com/usen/musicstore/policies .html CONTENT USAGE RULES Your use of the Products is conditioned upon your prior acceptance of the terms of this Agreement. You shall be authorized to use the Product only for personal, non-commercial use. You shall be authorized to use the Product on three Apple authorized computers. You shall be entitled to burn and export Products solely for personal, non-commercial use. Any burning or exporting capabilities are solely an accommodation to you and shall not constitute a grant or waiver (or other limitation or implication) of any rights of the copyright owners of any content, sound recording, underlying musical composition or artwork embodied in any Product. You agree that you will not attempt to, or encourage or assist any other person to, circumvent or modify any software required for use of the Service or any of the Usage Rules. The delivery of a Product does not transfer to you any commercial or promotional use rights in the Product. Refer to Terms of Sale for more detailed information on Usage Rules.

  2. Re:Sounds reasonable by tgd · · Score: 5, Informative

    Um, they've complained since day one about used CD stores. Numerous attempts were made to shut them down, and to make them illegal. Sure, it was ten plus years ago when most of /. was riding bigwheels in their parents driveways, but they most certainly DID do precisely that.

  3. Re:Apple usage policy by Casca · · Score: 4, Informative

    Jesus, read past the damn headline... He already said there isn't anything in the agreement with respect to transfer.

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  4. Re:TOS compatible by period3 · · Score: 5, Informative

    But donating $20 to the EFF doesn't seem moronic. RTFA.

  5. Re:Sounds reasonable by Brahmastra · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually here's an older slashdot story about record companies demanding royalties for used CD sales. They have always been SOBs and always will be: http://slashdot.org/articles/02/06/14/2111220.shtm l?tid=141

  6. eBay policy by n3xup · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here is what eBay says about such sales:

    Downloadable Media Policy

    eBay prohibits the listing of items or products to be delivered electronically through the Internet.

    Examples
    A copy of a software program which the successful high bidder can download from your Web site
    Music or video files that you will deliver through a peer to peer file-sharing community or network
    A copy of a downloadable eBook
    A secret URL address where the high bidder can download "freeware" or "shareware" software programs


    Doesn't seem like this is okay with eBay.

  7. Copy of the iTunes User Agreement by Sophrosyne · · Score: 5, Informative

    I copied the iTunes User Agreement.
    It's available in PDF and TXT for your enjoyment.
    I haven't read it over yet... but I bet this guy is just asking for trouble.

    1. Re:Copy of the iTunes User Agreement by Paul+Slocum · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's right there in the license: "3. Transfer. You may not rent, lease, lend or sublicense the Apple Software. You may, however, make a one-time permanent transfer of all of your license rights to the Apple Software to another party, provided that: (a) the transfer must include all of the Apple Software, including all its component parts, original media, printed materials and this License; (b) you do not retain any copies of the Apple Software, full or partial, including copies stored on a computer or other storage device; and (c) the party receiving the Apple Software reads and agrees to accept the terms and conditions of this License." -Paul

  8. Re:What is legally happening here? by Graff · · Score: 4, Informative
    the relevant question is not what he considers to be copying, but what the law does.

    A very good observation. I believe it is illegal (ie, against copyright law) to reproduce a work through any type of copying. This would be similar to photocopying a book, burning the original, and selling the copy to someone. It's the very act of copying the work that is illegal because you were not given the right to reproduce the work. Here's the relevant section of the code:
    106. Exclusive rights in copyrighted works

    Subject to sections 107 through 122, the owner of copyright under this title has the exclusive rights to do and to authorize any of the following:

    (1) to reproduce the copyrighted work in copies or phonorecords;
    ...

    (3) to distribute copies or phonorecords of the copyrighted work to the public by sale or other transfer of ownership, or by rental, lease, or lending;


    So, since only the original author has the right to reproduce the work it would be illegal to reproduce it. If the iTunes music store specifically gave you the right to reproduce the work then you could make a million copies. However, you would then run into section 3 of the code quoted above, which says that only the owner of the copyright can transfer ownership of a copy of the work.

    A very thorough and much more involved look at the First Sale Doctrine can be found at the Duke Law & Technology Review article: "THE FIRST SALE DOCTRINE AND DIGITAL PHONORECORDS"
  9. Re:What is legally happening here? by ichimunki · · Score: 5, Informative
    The courts have ruled that mere possession of the physical medium does not imply license to use, as does the possession of a book or musical recording, because to make use of the digital data it must be copied into memory first and that copying is covered under copyright law as restricted. Thus you need a license to copy that which you have already purchased for use.

    Bull-hockey. The courts have ruled no such thing. In fact, the copyright law specifically allows for this sort of "copying" the data into memory in the case of computer software or other cases where such "copying" is a necessary part of using the copyrighted work.

    RTFM:
    117. Limitations on exclusive rights: Computer programs

    (a) Making of Additional Copy or Adaptation by Owner of Copy. -- Notwithstanding the provisions of section 106, it is not an infringement for the owner of a copy of a computer program to make or authorize the making of another copy or adaptation of that computer program provided:

    (1) that such a new copy or adaptation is created as an essential step in the utilization of the computer program in conjunction with a machine and that it is used in no other manner, or

    (2) that such new copy or adaptation is for archival purposes only and that all archival copies are destroyed in the event that continued possession of the computer program should cease to be rightful.
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  10. Tell Apple what we think! by Kulaid982 · · Score: 4, Informative

    At about 5:00, I called Apple, to get their opinion on this whole thing. They had no clue what's going on. What I did get from them was a number direct into their corporate headquarters (I had asked for PR or the legal dept.) This means we've got a prime opportunity to voice our opinions to Apple and hopefully sway them in a direction that will be favorable to all us /.ers.... Call them at 1(408) 996 1010 and simply wait for a rep or leave a message. Let's all urge Apple to support and embrace the resale of digital music. This could be a huge victory and give us ammuniton against the RIAA. Call Apple, tell them that they'd better not screw this up. Do the right thing, Apple.

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